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Posted by: branik Dec 1 2009, 02:39 AM

http://www.holdingint.com/news.php

About us

Founded in 1976, Holding Investors and Tranders S.A. (Holdingint) is a market leader in the inter-dealer brokering of MAK financial products. With offices in the world's major financial centers, the Company covers global foreign exchange, commodity, equity, freight, precious metals, property and other markets. Holdingint's extensive client base includes banks and financial institutions, energy companies and utilities, insurance companies, paper producers and printers, shipping and chartering firms, newspaper and media groups, and leading consumer products companies.

Holdingint is headquartered in Hong Kong and employs over 100 experienced financial professionals. Holdingint has 17 partner banks worldwide to ensure a high quality banking infrastructure. The Holding currently owns three hedge funds , two based on the Cayman Islands and one in British Virgin Islands, a Forex asset management company and a commodities inter-broker. The Holding has annual turnover of up to 700 million.

Holdingint is committed to meeting the highest standards in integrity, security and privacy. We strictly comply with all applicable online regulations including KYC (Know Your Customer), BSA (Bank Secrecy Act), OFAC (Office of Foreign Assets Control) and AML (Anti-Money Laundering).

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 1 2009, 08:28 AM

Different name, same scamming shyt......Beware People..........

Posted by: branik Dec 1 2009, 12:03 PM

QUOTE (umbertino49 @ Dec 1 2009, 05:28 PM) *
Different name, same scamming shyt......Beware People..........



Prove it ... if you can look in Vanfunds no one lost money how can you say that they are scam ..... and if we look at your posts wee see only spaming and bad criticism .... Be a little more constructive and does not speak in vain. ..... because all your post sounds like bla bla bla ..... grow up ...

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 1 2009, 06:26 PM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 1 2009, 09:03 PM) *
Prove it ... if you can look in Vanfunds no one lost money how can you say that they are scam ..... and if we look at your posts wee see only spaming and bad criticism .... Be a little more constructive and does not speak in vain. ..... because all your post sounds like bla bla bla ..... grow up ...

While I encourage and find it useful to promote debating here (that's what a forum is for) with anybody ( including you) I invite you kindly to re-check the meaning of the word " spam". Once you do that, you'll notice it has NOTHING to do with my posts so it just doesn't apply to me.....You're free to believe this "Investment" is the best thing after bread and salami. while I'm free to deem it as a scam. If you don't like for people to express thoughts which are different from yours then you are in the wrong place. In Forums people exchange different ideas, thoughts, opinions. I'm sorry you were not aware of that.. .I understand your idea of me "growing up" as you stated it, would be that I will have to express always opinions to your liking... That's funny..........

Posted by: branik Dec 2 2009, 04:01 AM

QUOTE (umbertino49 @ Dec 2 2009, 03:26 AM) *
While I encourage and find it useful to promote debating here (that's what a forum is for) with anybody ( including you) I invite you kindly to re-check the meaning of the word " spam". Once you do that, you'll notice it has NOTHING to do with my posts so it just doesn't apply to me.....You're free to believe this "Investment" is the best thing after bread and salami. while I'm free to deem it as a scam. If you don't like for people to express thoughts which are different from yours then you are in the wrong place. In Forums people exchange different ideas, thoughts, opinions. I'm sorry you were not aware of that.. .I understand your idea of me "growing up" as you stated it, would be that I will have to express always opinions to your liking... That's funny..........



time will show all!

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 2 2009, 04:04 AM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 2 2009, 01:01 PM) *
time will show all!

I TOTALLY agree with you on this one............Let's wait and see..............Hopefully before 2020..........

Posted by: branik Dec 2 2009, 12:28 PM

Panama register...


http://www.shrani.si/?1R/13h/1NScBfr9/holding-investors-and-tr.gif site 1

http://www.shrani.si/?3e/iF/ApHhM0m/holding-investors-and-tr.gif site 2

No. de Ficha:

11429
No. Documento:

Nombre de la Sociedad:
HOLDING INVESTORS AND TRADERS, S.A.
Tomo: 1210 Folio: 346 Asiento: 121229
Fecha de Registro: 02-02-1976 Status: VIGENTE
No. de Escritura: Fecha de Escritura: 00-00-2000
Notaria:

Provincia Notaria:
Duraciˇn: PERPETUA Domicilio: PANAMA
Status de la Prenda: (DEF-DEFINITIVA, PRE-PRELIMINAR)

Datos de 1a. Tasa ┌nica
Boleta: 0 Fecha de Pago: 00-00-0000
Agente Residente:

Datos del Diario
Tomo: 123 Asiento: 506

Datos de Microfilmaciˇn
Rollo: 474 Imagen: 110

Moneda: DOLARES AMERICANOS.
Monto de Capital: 10,000.00

Capital

Representante Legal
EL PRESIDENTE.
TÝtulo del Dignatario Nombre del Dignatario
PRESIDENTE RAFAEL JAEN ESCRIBANO
VICE-PRESIDENTE ANAYANSI ALVARADO
TESORERO RAFAEL JAEN ESCRIBANO
SECRETARIO ANAYANSI ALVARADO

Nombre de los Directores
RAFAEL JAEN ESCRIBANO
ANAYANSI ALVARADO

Nombre de los Suscriptores
RAFAEL JAEN ESCRIBANO
ANAYANSI ALVARADO

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 2 2009, 03:46 PM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 2 2009, 09:28 PM) *
Panama register...


http://www.shrani.si/?1R/13h/1NScBfr9/holding-investors-and-tr.gif site 1

http://www.shrani.si/?3e/iF/ApHhM0m/holding-investors-and-tr.gif site 2

No. de Ficha:

11429
No. Documento:

Nombre de la Sociedad:
HOLDING INVESTORS AND TRADERS, S.A.
Tomo: 1210 Folio: 346 Asiento: 121229
Fecha de Registro: 02-02-1976 Status: VIGENTE
No. de Escritura: Fecha de Escritura: 00-00-2000
Notaria:

Provincia Notaria:
Duraci´┐Żn: PERPETUA Domicilio: PANAMA
Status de la Prenda: (DEF-DEFINITIVA, PRE-PRELIMINAR)

Datos de 1a. Tasa ´┐Żnica
Boleta: 0 Fecha de Pago: 00-00-0000
Agente Residente:

Datos del Diario
Tomo: 123 Asiento: 506

Datos de Microfilmaci´┐Żn
Rollo: 474 Imagen: 110

Moneda: DOLARES AMERICANOS.
Monto de Capital: 10,000.00

Capital

Representante Legal
EL PRESIDENTE.
T´┐Żtulo del Dignatario Nombre del Dignatario
PRESIDENTE RAFAEL JAEN ESCRIBANO
VICE-PRESIDENTE ANAYANSI ALVARADO
TESORERO RAFAEL JAEN ESCRIBANO
SECRETARIO ANAYANSI ALVARADO

Nombre de los Directores
RAFAEL JAEN ESCRIBANO
ANAYANSI ALVARADO

Nombre de los Suscriptores
RAFAEL JAEN ESCRIBANO
ANAYANSI ALVARADO


Nice decoy...... Hey, guess what....... Anywhere in the world, esp. in Panama you can get a perfectly forged Document for max 30/40 bucks. or less..........

Posted by: branik Dec 3 2009, 12:03 PM

Nice umbert...OK so i giw you 100$ if you get one ....but how will you manage entry the public registry like .... https://www.registro-publico.gob.pa/

So umbro..or what ever you are....it is your turn ....but you still sound like bla bla bla...

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 3 2009, 03:51 PM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 3 2009, 09:03 PM) *
Nice umbert...OK so i giw you 100$ if you get one ....but how will you manage entry the public registry like .... https://www.registro-publico.gob.pa/

So umbro..or what ever you are....it is your turn ....but you still sound like bla bla bla...

Dear Branik, I take no offense for your useless "bla bla bla" comment about my post...... That's ok...... I'm used to people attacking me......That never stopped me and never will.........Now, if you read again my post you will see that I have not said that I'm able to have a forged doc or that I'm able to make it. I simply said that it's easy to get them, granted one has a very strong reason/interest to get it ( not my case) and they're willing to pay for it....... Panama, as you may know (and if you don't know I'm telling you now so you can learn), is one of the main centers of crime money laundering in the whole world..... So you can easily understand all the various criminal activities going along with the money-laundering practice ( ie. the making of very sophisticated forged documents and many other things). Ciao.

Posted by: branik Dec 4 2009, 01:12 AM

QUOTE (umbertino49 @ Dec 4 2009, 12:51 AM) *
Dear Branik, I take no offense for your useless "bla bla bla" comment about my post...... That's ok...... I'm used to people attacking me......That never stopped me and never will.........Now, if you read again my post you will see that I have not said that I'm able to have a forged doc or that I'm able to make it. I simply said that it's easy to get them, granted one has a very strong reason/interest to get it ( not my case) and they're willing to pay for it....... Panama, as you may know (and if you don't know I'm telling you now so you can learn), is one of the main centers of crime money laundering in the whole world..... So you can easily understand all the various criminal activities going along with the money-laundering practice ( ie. the making of very sophisticated forged documents and many other things). Ciao.



Still souns like bla bla bla......you seams to now ewrything.....watch that they do not steal you....hahahahaha

Posted by: goodnews55 Dec 4 2009, 05:02 AM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 1 2009, 02:39 AM) *
http://www.holdingint.com/news.php

About us

Founded in 1976, Holding Investors and Tranders S.A. (Holdingint) is a market leader in the inter-dealer brokering of MAK financial products. With offices in the world's major financial centers, the Company covers global foreign exchange, commodity, equity, freight, precious metals, property and other markets. Holdingint's extensive client base includes banks and financial institutions, energy companies and utilities, insurance companies, paper producers and printers, shipping and chartering firms, newspaper and media groups, and leading consumer products companies.

Holdingint is headquartered in Hong Kong and employs over 100 experienced financial professionals. Holdingint has 17 partner banks worldwide to ensure a high quality banking infrastructure. The Holding currently owns three hedge funds , two based on the Cayman Islands and one in British Virgin Islands, a Forex asset management company and a commodities inter-broker. The Holding has annual turnover of up to 700 million.

Holdingint is committed to meeting the highest standards in integrity, security and privacy. We strictly comply with all applicable online regulations including KYC (Know Your Customer), BSA (Bank Secrecy Act), OFAC (Office of Foreign Assets Control) and AML (Anti-Money Laundering).



HELLO BRANIK,

I AM A VANFUNDS INVESTOR AND FROM NOW ON I WILL BE HOLDINGINT INVESTOR...OR I HOPE I WILL BE. I KNOW THE COMPANY IS GETTING THE NEW PLATFORM READY. THERE IS QUITE A LOT OF PANIC ABOUT ALL THIS BECAUSE THE E-MAIL ADDRESS ON THE WEBSITE IN NON EXISTENT AND THE PHONE NUMBER GIVEN DOESN'T MATCH WITH THAT HONG KONG AREA GIVEN BY THE ADDRESS. SINCE IT SEEMS THAT EITHER YOU ARE PART OF STAFF OR VERY CLOSE POSITION CAN U GIVE ME SOME MORE DATA, OR AT LEAST GETTING A FUNCTIONING E-MAIL AUTOMATED ANSWER WITH UP TO DATE INFO ABOUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON?

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO PUT QUITE A LOT OF MONEY AND EVERYTHING SEEMED DISAPPEARED.


IT WOULD ALSO BE GOOD TO GET AN ESTIMATE OF HOW LONG TIME IT WILL TAKE TO GET BACK TO NORMAL ROUTINE. I HEARD IT WILL TAKE MONTHS, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE

TKU FOR YOUR HELP

Posted by: branik Dec 4 2009, 06:09 AM

Iam geting info after 15.12.2009 then i will now more and will post here some news...

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 4 2009, 09:39 AM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 4 2009, 10:12 AM) *
Still souns like bla bla bla......you seams to now ewrything.....watch that they do not steal you....hahahahaha

Branik, I never said I know everything. Of course I don't know everything...... But, mind you, a few things I do know and am willing to keep on learning............Have a good day

Posted by: goodnews55 Dec 4 2009, 10:02 AM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 4 2009, 07:09 AM) *
Iam geting info after 15.12.2009 then i will now more and will post here some news...



TKU

Posted by: halogen Dec 5 2009, 12:02 AM

Founded in 1976, Holding Investors and Tranders S.A. (Holdingint) is a market leader .....

Domain holdingint.com http://whois.domaintools.com/holdingint.com
Date Registered: 2009-11-4 ?????

Registrant ?????
Private Whois Service
*******PLEASE DO NOT SEND LETTERS******
****Contact the owner by email only****
c/o holdingint.com
N4892 Nassau
Bahamas


On the web I found this contact, try to call him:

Frans Weesie
+31 62331112
Holding Investors and Traders, S.A.

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 5 2009, 01:06 AM

QUOTE (halogen @ Dec 5 2009, 09:02 AM) *
Founded in 1976, Holding Investors and Tranders S.A. (Holdingint) is a market leader .....

Domain holdingint.com http://whois.domaintools.com/holdingint.com
Date Registered: 2009-11-4 ?????

Registrant ?????
Private Whois Service
*******PLEASE DO NOT SEND LETTERS******
****Contact the owner by email only****
c/o holdingint.com
N4892 Nassau
Bahamas


On the web I found this contact, try to call him:

Frans Weesie
+31 62331112
Holding Investors and Traders, S.A.

Yep. It's a more or less obvious scam.

Posted by: goodnews55 Dec 6 2009, 10:04 AM

I WITHDREW SOME MONEY WITH VANDIOR CARD YESTERDAY. CARD IS WORKING OK.

Posted by: branik Dec 6 2009, 10:35 AM

QUOTE (goodnews55 @ Dec 6 2009, 07:04 PM) *
I WITHDREW SOME MONEY WITH VANDIOR CARD YESTERDAY. CARD IS WORKING OK.


Yes .....but only til end of 2009 ....then will be new debit cards but payoneer remains the pay procesor

Posted by: goodnews55 Dec 7 2009, 06:21 AM

TKU BRANIK

Posted by: goodnews55 Dec 10 2009, 07:08 AM

hi BRANIK, DO U HV ANY FRESH NEWS ABOUT HOLDINGINT? POST A PM IF U WANT. TKS

Posted by: goodnews55 Dec 11 2009, 02:29 PM

tku Branik (pm)

Posted by: kbkb Dec 11 2009, 03:27 PM

anyone care to translate ?
http://dailynewsonline.magnify.net/video/VANFUNDS-Que-es-Forex-CNN

Posted by: gental Dec 12 2009, 03:31 AM

if is possible PM me info

Posted by: branik Dec 12 2009, 05:13 AM

QUOTE (kbkb @ Dec 12 2009, 12:27 AM) *
anyone care to translate ?
http://dailynewsonline.magnify.net/video/VANFUNDS-Que-es-Forex-CNN



This is nothing about Vanfunds ....he is speaking about....Iterbolsa futures and about Forex...

Posted by: pattyCake53 Dec 12 2009, 09:19 AM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 6 2009, 10:35 AM) *
Yes .....but only til end of 2009 ....then will be new debit cards but payoneer remains the pay procesor


Hi I am New member here ans read your thread.What I am asking is whats amount to invest .url and with what processor? Thanks speak_cool.gif

Posted by: duszek00 Dec 13 2009, 01:55 AM

Any new information ?

Posted by: branik Dec 13 2009, 03:19 AM

So far i cann say Holding is in proces with Payeoneer to ordering new debit cards for us

Posted by: duszek00 Dec 13 2009, 03:20 AM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 13 2009, 01:19 PM) *
So far i cann say Holding is in proces with Payeoneer to ordering new debit cards for us


Wher did you fount this information ?
Who told you that ?

Posted by: duszek00 Dec 13 2009, 09:08 AM

http://www.eulisesavila.com/caso-vanfunds/
http://www.elcuartopoder.es/inversiones/hyip/vanfunds_estafa.html

I found that on the internet...It's information about Vand - it's scam...
Fu*** :/ What do you thing about it ?

Posted by: branik Dec 13 2009, 11:39 AM

QUOTE (duszek00 @ Dec 13 2009, 12:20 PM) *
Wher did you fount this information ?
Who told you that ?



From Payeoneer...

Posted by: duszek00 Dec 13 2009, 11:52 AM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 13 2009, 08:39 PM) *
From Payeoneer...

I would like to beleive it's true but when I've read that link:
http://www.eulisesavila.com/caso-vanfunds/
http://www.elcuartopoder.es/inversiones/hyip/vanfunds_estafa.html

I'm so worry about my money...
What do you think about it ?

Posted by: branik Dec 13 2009, 11:56 AM

QUOTE (duszek00 @ Dec 13 2009, 08:52 PM) *
I would like to beleive it's true but when I've read that link:
http://www.eulisesavila.com/caso-vanfunds/
http://www.elcuartopoder.es/inversiones/hyip/vanfunds_estafa.html

I'm so worry about my money...
What do you think about it ?


That does not mean anything....will see after 15.12. what news will be on line...

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 13 2009, 12:00 PM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 13 2009, 08:56 PM) *
That does not mean anything....will see after 15.12. what news will be on line...

Yep, doesn't mean anything... You just need to hope and pray a lot that your money will still be there and that it will be given back to you....All'n'all.........Nothing to really be concerned about......Yeah right....

Posted by: duszek00 Dec 13 2009, 01:51 PM

Meybe doesn;t mean anything but all investors are worry about money....2 weeks and any information on the website - it;s terrible...
Contact via e-mail - impossible, no reply
Contact via phone - impossible, only voice machine

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 13 2009, 03:15 PM

QUOTE (duszek00 @ Dec 13 2009, 10:51 PM) *
Meybe doesn;t mean anything but all investors are worry about money....2 weeks and any information on the website - it;s terrible...
Contact via e-mail - impossible, no reply
Contact via phone - impossible, only voice machine

You are starting to understand...............I do wish you ( and everybody) the Best with this one.................

Posted by: branik Dec 13 2009, 11:59 PM

Mail from Payeoneer....

QUOTE
Dear xxxxx,

Thank you for contacting us.

Vandior has notified Payoneer that the company was sold to Holding Investors and Traders, S.A.

Current Vandior cardholders can continue to use their Payoneer card until funds are depleted. Unfortunately the cards can no longer be loaded with additional funds.
For any additional information please contact Holding Investors and Traders, S.A.

We apologize for the inconvenience.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any additional questions.

Sincerely,

Talya

Payoneer Customer Support

Posted by: goodnews55 Dec 14 2009, 01:44 AM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 14 2009, 12:59 AM) *
Mail from Payeoneer....


hi branik, i received the same e-mail...but payoneer doesn't say anything about new cards been prepared.

Posted by: branik Dec 15 2009, 03:34 AM

Thes is a previous e-mail from Payeoneer.....

QUOTE
Dear xxxxxx,

Thank you for contacting us.

Vandior has notified Payoneer that the company was sold to Holding Investors and Traders, S.A.

Current Vandior cardholders can continue to use their Payoneer card until funds are depleted. Unfortunately the cards can no longer be loaded with additional funds. We also send new offer for debit card to Holding Investors and Traders, S.A after their contract.
For any additional information please contact Holding Investors and Traders, S.A.

We apologize for the inconvenience.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any additional questions.

Sincerely,

Dominique

Payoneer Customer Support



this part is wery interesting...

QUOTE
We also send new offer for debit card to Holding Investors and Traders, S.A after their contract.


They say ....after they contract ....I assume that something will happen in a positive way ...

Posted by: branik Dec 16 2009, 12:17 AM

Something....interesting...

QUOTE
[Querying 216.67.232.74]
[216.67.232.74]
[Querying whois.internic.net]
[Redirected to whois.internet.bs]
[Querying whois.internet.bs]
[whois.internet.bs]
Domain holdingint.com

Date Registered: 2009-11-5
Date Modified: 2009-11-5
Expiry Date: 2016-11-5

DNS1: ns2.ipnames.net
DNS2: ns1.ipnames.net

Registrant
Private Whois Service
*******PLEASE DO NOT SEND LETTERS******
****Contact the owner by email only****
c/o holdingint.com
N4892 Nassau
Bahamas

Administrative Contact
Private Whois Service
Private Whois Service ogc4k2x4b27435f42862@hz0ma2p4b27421...rivatewhois.net
*******PLEASE DO NOT SEND LETTERS******
****Contact the owner by email only****
c/o holdingint.com
N4892 Nassau
Bahamas
Tel: +852.81720004

Technical Contact
Private Whois Service
Private Whois Service jv1lpol4b27435f3fc1a@hz0ma2p4b27421...rivatewhois.net
*******PLEASE DO NOT SEND LETTERS******
****Contact the owner by email only****
c/o holdingint.com
N4892 Nassau
Bahamas
Tel: +852.81720004

Registrar: Internet.bs Corp.
Registrar's Website : <a href='http://www.internetbs.net/'>http://www.internetbs.net/</a>

Website : http://www.internetbs.net/



Iteresting is this....must be some reason to buy a domain for 6 years...

QUOTE
Date Registered: 2009-11-5
Date Modified: 2009-11-5
Expiry Date: 2016-11-5




Because....on 30.nov.2009 domain has been chartered for one year....

QUOTE
Domain HOLDINGINT.COM [ Site Info Traceroute RBL/DNSBL lookup ]
Registrar INTERNET.BS CORP.
Registrar URL http://www.internet.bs
Whois server whois.internet.bs
Created 04-Nov-2009
Updated 04-Nov-2009
Expires 04-Nov-2010
Time Left 338 days 4 hours 27 minutes
Status clientTransferProhibited
DNS servers NS1.IPNAMES.NET 202.75.33.138
NS2.IPNAMES.NET 124.217.240.5



I hope it is good news....

Posted by: goodnews55 Dec 16 2009, 01:44 AM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 16 2009, 12:17 AM) *
Something....interesting...




Iteresting is this....must be some reason to buy a domain for 6 years...





Because....on 30.nov.2009 domain has been chartered for one year....




I hope it is good news....


yeah, looks like

Posted by: blackmamba Dec 16 2009, 07:57 AM

Vandior has been dissolved through a legal act (http://uploading.com/files/49fea717/Vandior%2Bdissolved.pdf) on the 20th Nov 2009. The newsletter reported the sell to Holdingit took place the 23rd Nov 2009.
Can you sell a company which doesn't exist?
I am afraid the scam is confirmed.
We do have names linked to Vandior.
I copy here what I posted in Vanfunds forum:
Vandior's Directors were other companies. In particular, PRESIDENT SERVICES INTERNATIONAL, INC. (PSIINC) whose directors are:
ROBERTO GUERRA
MIRTA MOJICA DE QUINTERO
ANTONIA OJO

All the documents are freely accessible (http://ohuiginn.net/panama/)

Posted by: branik Dec 16 2009, 08:43 AM

QUOTE (blackmamba @ Dec 16 2009, 04:57 PM) *
Vandior has been dissolved through a legal act (http://uploading.com/files/49fea717/Vandior%2Bdissolved.pdf) on the 20th Nov 2009. The newsletter reported the sell to Holdingit took place the 23rd Nov 2009.
Can you sell a company which doesn't exist?
I am afraid the scam is confirmed.
We do have names linked to Vandior.
I copy here what I posted in Vanfunds forum:
Vandior's Directors were other companies. In particular, PRESIDENT SERVICES INTERNATIONAL, INC. (PSIINC) whose directors are:
ROBERTO GUERRA
MIRTA MOJICA DE QUINTERO
ANTONIA OJO

All the documents are freely accessible (http://ohuiginn.net/panama/)


I have certain doubts about this statement .....since publication on the website of a date does not say anything the date is smply day of notification of seling the company....nothing more .....company may be sold even before this post so it is not the official date of the sale .... or better yet the document that would demonstrate the exact date of the sale ...

My opinion....

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 16 2009, 05:16 PM

QUOTE (blackmamba @ Dec 16 2009, 04:57 PM) *
Vandior has been dissolved through a legal act (http://uploading.com/files/49fea717/Vandior%2Bdissolved.pdf) on the 20th Nov 2009. The newsletter reported the sell to Holdingit took place the 23rd Nov 2009.
Can you sell a company which doesn't exist?
I am afraid the scam is confirmed.
We do have names linked to Vandior.
I copy here what I posted in Vanfunds forum:
Vandior's Directors were other companies. In particular, PRESIDENT SERVICES INTERNATIONAL, INC. (PSIINC) whose directors are:
ROBERTO GUERRA
MIRTA MOJICA DE QUINTERO
ANTONIA OJO

All the documents are freely accessible (http://ohuiginn.net/panama/)

Exactly......

Posted by: branik Dec 22 2009, 12:50 AM

Wish you marry christmas ...and a happy new year...will be back on 11.01.2010..

bye

Posted by: littledrummer Dec 22 2009, 01:17 AM

Might I say, branik, you have very interesting profile picture.
And it looks like Borat is the main manager of all funds you promote here.

Does any of funds you promote here, and in other forums, has any evidence that they actually trade and make profit?
Because all these funds can do is write long letters and use almost every possible technique NOT to pay their investors.

I know that you promote all this programs just because of the referral commission, as here and also in other forums. You and few other people form Balkans. I don't mind that.
But I mind that you lie, and say half-truth and lies. As in FFX, TIRN, VAN, WWI and many more hyip programs.

So, please, have you ever been to these funds, at their headquarters?
Seen their charts, live trades, met their traders? Who are all these people? They must have some background, experience, a history?
Are there any contracts with these funds, where are the lawyers, regulations, taxes?



Posted by: branik Dec 22 2009, 04:12 AM

You must now everything....BRAVO

BTW i did not promote FFX, TIRN....haw posted only some opinion

VAN...yes..... but most of all WWI because it's for me the best.....and I have all the contacts that you can imagine ....even those that you do not imagine.....

Posted by: littledrummer Dec 22 2009, 05:53 AM

I sad you and your friends. And all of you promote scam programs, just to get referral commissions.

So, if you do have all the contacts one can imagine, or even beyond someones wild imagination, prove it.
Please post trading results, charts, daily reviews, names, contracts. That's how things are done in REAL, HONEST world.
And I don't think on some bogus three lines like this month we made 10% and that's all.
Entire listing please.

Or you just push and promote scam programs, and know that all this is one big LIE?

Posted by: branik Dec 22 2009, 07:14 AM

QUOTE (littledrummer @ Dec 22 2009, 02:53 PM) *
I sad you and your friends. And all of you promote scam programs, just to get referral commissions.

So, if you do have all the contacts one can imagine, or even beyond someones wild imagination, prove it.
Please post trading results, charts, daily reviews, names, contracts. That's how things are done in REAL, HONEST world.
And I don't think on some bogus three lines like this month we made 10% and that's all.
Entire listing please.

Or you just push and promote scam programs, and know that all this is one big LIE?




Bla bla bla...this is all you can wrote....haw you any proof that wwi is scam....no you dont ...so stop posting crap...and go back to your hole .....

QUOTE
So, if you do have all the contacts one can imagine, or even beyond someones wild imagination, prove it.



I do not have the slightest intention to prove this to you ...

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 22 2009, 07:36 AM

QUOTE (littledrummer @ Dec 22 2009, 10:17 AM) *
Might I say, branik, you have very interesting profile picture.
And it looks like Borat is the main manager of all funds you promote here.

Does any of funds you promote here, and in other forums, has any evidence that they actually trade and make profit?
Because all these funds can do is write long letters and use almost every possible technique NOT to pay their investors.

I know that you promote all this programs just because of the referral commission, as here and also in other forums. You and few other people form Balkans. I don't mind that.
But I mind that you lie, and say half-truth and lies. As in FFX, TIRN, VAN, WWI and many more hyip programs.

So, please, have you ever been to these funds, at their headquarters?
Seen their charts, live trades, met their traders? Who are all these people? They must have some background, experience, a history?
Are there any contracts with these funds, where are the lawyers, regulations, taxes?

Exactly.

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 22 2009, 07:38 AM

QUOTE (littledrummer @ Dec 22 2009, 02:53 PM) *
I sad you and your friends. And all of you promote scam programs, just to get referral commissions.

So, if you do have all the contacts one can imagine, or even beyond someones wild imagination, prove it.
Please post trading results, charts, daily reviews, names, contracts. That's how things are done in REAL, HONEST world.
And I don't think on some bogus three lines like this month we made 10% and that's all.
Entire listing please.

Or you just push and promote scam programs, and know that all this is one big LIE?

Impossible thing to do. Contracts do not exist.....Real ones, I mean..........

Posted by: branik Dec 22 2009, 07:54 AM

Post from other forum....



@ibiza69

QUOTE
Hi, today I readed in an spanish forum this details about a person that works in holdingint.com and before worked in vanfunds.com (for 5 years, as he said). now it┬┤s co-propietor of holding, plus other things.

Details: Localiced at Facebook

Anayansi Alvarado (secretary, director, vice-president & suscriptor of Holding Investors and Traders). He studied at university in panama and his email it┬┤s:
shantel-29@hotmail.com

My partner meet this person like 2 months ago thru messenger and he said that he worked at vanfunds since plenty of years ago, before they where at the internet (online), a month ago this person didn┬┤t connect anymore ... So we have tryed to comunicate againg with him and are waiting for an answer, but anyway, I invite everyone to speak with this guy, to see what it┬┤s happening.

Best Regards.

Posted by: littledrummer Dec 22 2009, 01:55 PM

@branik

What am I, starting to rattle your cage smile.gif

I don't write crap like you. And have documents to prove my statements. I've send 2000 USD to VANFUNDS to their Macedonian bank. And never again have seen that money. And to be perfectly clear it was a risk, and I'm the only one to blame.
VANFUNDS support doesn't know a single thing about that, and also that bank in Macedonia. That's very professional, might I ad.

You got little mixed up, my little Balkan friend. I don't have to prove anything. I'm saying that all programs you promote have lot of red flags.
No contracts.
No trade results and history.
No names.
No photos, offices, nothing at all.
If all this doesn't ring any alarms to you, than you can be only two things. Liar or VERY, very stupid.

All we have is small group of very greedy people, or to be more direct "referral whores", who try to convince others to invest money in something that is, shall we say, at least VERY, VERY RISKY.

And of course, you will take referral commission very gladly, but will you also be responsible for money that could be lost? When whatever fund you promote?
No need for you to answer. We all know, you wont. You will already have another program for invest. That's pathetic.

Posted by: branik Dec 22 2009, 11:31 PM

QUOTE
I've send 2000 USD to VANFUNDS to their Macedonian bank.



????? What....vanfunds newer had a macedonian bank....so again bla bla bla....no more coments....and BTW if you wrote somethig ....thing first ......
....

don 't know what you want to prove with their stories .... and vanfunds and the Macedonian Bank ... ha ha ha I think you newer invested that money anywhere .... because if it you would not talk such nonsense .....

Posted by: MariaElisa Dec 23 2009, 02:01 AM

QUOTE (branik @ Dec 23 2009, 07:31 AM) *
????? What....vanfunds newer had a macedonian bank....so again bla bla bla....no more coments....and BTW if you wrote somethig ....thing first ......
....

don 't know what you want to prove with their stories .... and vanfunds and the Macedonian Bank ... ha ha ha I think you newer invested that money anywhere .... because if it you would not talk such nonsense .....


Dear sir,

I would like to make a deposit on this program so if they are not stable at this time please let me know

Posted by: littledrummer Dec 23 2009, 06:30 AM

@branik

I have all e-mails from them, statements and all. This is what someone form VANFUNDS have said, and I quote, "our account is in Eurostandard Bank in Macedonia".
My bank is in Germany, and I call it German bank. Theirs was in Macedonia, so it is Macedonian bank. I hope that you can understand the logic.
And yes, I think before I something. Something I can't say about you.
You have not answered a single question I have asked. Only, you try some childish and silly insults. Like everyone who has no evidence to back up theirs story. So, I'm asking you again, show me the evidence that this is not a SCAM. All things and their actions show that this is one BIG LIE.
And for everyone reading this. Please, for your own sake, DO NOT invest any money in this. Your money will most certainly be lost.

P.S. Your English is awful. Please use spelling or find someone to teach you the basics of written English. Otherwise you will continue to sound like 10 year old with grammar issues.

Posted by: goodnews55 Dec 23 2009, 06:37 AM

HOW CAN U INVEST IN VANFUNDS. THAY HAVE GONE AND IT IS A BIG SCAM...TILL SOMEONE CAN PROVE IT IS NOT A SCAM.

Posted by: umbertino49 Dec 23 2009, 07:20 AM

QUOTE (MariaElisa @ Dec 23 2009, 11:01 AM) *
Dear sir,

I would like to make a deposit on this program so if they are not stable at this time please let me know

They are not stable. They are not even verified as a real Investment. Better keep your money.

Posted by: branik Dec 24 2009, 03:20 AM

News

24-12-2009

The staff of Holding Investors and Traders, S.A. wishes you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

May this Christmas be bright and cheerful and may the New Year begin on a prosperous note!

We hope that your New Year will be very successful, and we believe that we will contribute to that by providing some of the best asset management services.

Sincerely,
The Staff of Holding Investors and Traders, S.A.

Posted by: branik Jan 8 2010, 01:13 PM

News

08-01-2010

Happy New Year to all our clients, partners and visitors of Holding Investors and Traders, S.A.!

Due to the high volume of e-mails and phone calls that we receive everyday regarding our new investment platform and the overloading of the support personnel, we would like to inform you that we will no longer answer inquiries related to general questions. This will continue until we finish the new platform and release it to the public. Thereafter we will continue to provide full support services.

Please be assured that we are constantly working on the development of HoldingIW® and it's in our best interest to complete it as soon as possible.

Thank you for your understanding!

Sincerely,
The Staff of Holding Investors and Traders, S.A.

Posted by: goodnews55 Jan 30 2010, 08:20 AM

ANY GOOD NEWS ABOUT HOLDING...OR HAVE THEY GONE TO HELL WITH OUR MONEY?

Posted by: umbertino49 Jan 30 2010, 03:17 PM

QUOTE (goodnews55 @ Jan 30 2010, 05:20 PM) *
ANY GOOD NEWS ABOUT HOLDING...OR HAVE THEY GONE TO HELL WITH OUR MONEY?

Well, what's your sincere feeling about it?

Posted by: Togge Feb 23 2010, 04:40 AM

Will this company ever open, anyone heard anything? Have anyone tried to take legal action against the former owner, the people behind vanfunds?

/Togge

Posted by: blackmamba Mar 8 2010, 08:20 AM

QUOTE (Togge @ Feb 23 2010, 02:40 PM) *
Will this company ever open, anyone heard anything? Have anyone tried to take legal action against the former owner, the people behind vanfunds?

/Togge


Names are there if you are interested. Please see my previous post #42 at page 3.
The only problem is about taking legal action against people in Panama. Looking at the kind of contract we have all signed with Vanfunds I think we don't have much chances to get something back, without mentioning the costs involved in hiring a lawyer and so on...

Posted by: Dutchinvestor Mar 25 2010, 03:09 AM

QUOTE (blackmamba @ Mar 8 2010, 05:20 PM) *
Names are there if you are interested. Please see my previous post #42 at page 3.
The only problem is about taking legal action against people in Panama. Looking at the kind of contract we have all signed with Vanfunds I think we don't have much chances to get something back, without mentioning the costs involved in hiring a lawyer and so on...



Well, investors


I still have confidence in Holding Inverstors and Traders,
They need some more time to switch the records of VanFunds members into their system and platform.

But it really takes lot's of time.

I still have my VanDior debit card. Never used, hope i will in future.

I am trying again to make any contacts.

Will post my comments.

regards,
DJ

Posted by: Rhyker Apr 3 2010, 04:06 AM

QUOTE (Dutchinvestor @ Mar 25 2010, 11:09 AM) *
Well, investors

I still have confidence in Holding Inverstors and Traders,
They need some more time to switch the records of VanFunds members into their system and platform.

But it really takes lot's of time.

I still have my VanDior debit card. Never used, hope i will in future.

I am trying again to make any contacts.

Will post my comments.

regards,
DJ


Your VanFunds debitcard cannot be used anymore, as former VanFunds announced in their newsletter when they were 'bought', which IMHO is BS. I'm a webdeveloper myself. You want to know how much time it takes to migrate databases? Less then a day (including plan of approach, etc.). When it takes a week or longer? Red flags.

Posted by: umbertino49 Apr 3 2010, 04:42 AM

QUOTE (Rhyker @ Apr 3 2010, 02:06 PM) *
Your VanFunds debitcard cannot be used anymore, as former VanFunds announced in their newsletter when they were 'bought', which IMHO is BS. I'm a webdeveloper myself. You want to know how much time it takes to migrate databases? Less then a day (including plan of approach, etc.). When it takes a week or longer? Red flags.

Of course. This is/was just another scam.

Posted by: branik Apr 3 2010, 07:57 AM

Yes ....it look's like....I gave up on them..

Posted by: aquarius83 Apr 9 2010, 04:54 AM

4 months closed, scam!

Posted by: umbertino49 Apr 9 2010, 06:33 AM

QUOTE (branik @ Apr 3 2010, 05:57 PM) *
Yes ....it look's like....I gave up on them..

Good you did.....At last............