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VeryFunny
Should College be Free
matratzac
Despite the fact I pay my rent off financial aid, no, college definitely should not be free.
nothinggirl
well not sure it should be free, but having just sent my oldest son off to college, i sure wish it was free post-36326-1110185726.gif
xRealNinjuzx
If they were going to make it free, why wouldn't they also make it mandatory, just like high school?

I would rather not have college ever be free since it will encourage people to go. I dont want that, because I need more people to serve me food, and learn a trade rather than most things people go to school to learn.

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alexeow
I voted yes so that we can have more higher education people.
RisingSun
QUOTE(xRealNinjuzx @ Aug 27 2006, 12:58 AM) [snapback]2698088[/snapback]

If they were going to make it free, why wouldn't they also make it mandatory, just like high school?

I would rather not have college ever be free since it will encourage people to go. I dont want that, because I need more people to serve me food, and learn a trade rather than most things people go to school to learn.

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I agree with Kris

People wouldnt treat college seriously
Or even less seriously than most take it now.

It would be a second high school
The 25 - 45,000 a year wouldn't be there to motivate the people.
To me, that would be a good reason to continue to stay focused.
I would almost guarantee that grade would drop and such if this happened.

And, there isn't control on degrees.
Would you want hoodlums and slackers being Doctors, Dentists, OBGYN's?

Just my thoughts.

I vote no.
It should remain an expense

RS
Taz!
QUOTE(RisingSun @ Aug 27 2006, 12:27 AM) [snapback]2698194[/snapback]

Would you want hoodlums and slackers being Doctors, Dentists, OBGYN's?



Maybe the only reason hoodlums and slackers aren't doctors and dentists is because they don't have the money to earn a degree, and without one they can't be anything but...hoodlums and slackers.
RisingSun
QUOTE(Taz! @ Aug 27 2006, 02:02 AM) [snapback]2698317[/snapback]

Maybe the only reason hoodlums and slackers aren't doctors and dentists is because they don't have the money to earn a degree, and without one they can't be anything but...hoodlums and slackers.


My point is...
Without being mean...
Not everyone in the world is a good person.
There are many many people I trust in the world with my body, my personal privacy, and my health / well being.

There are many many others that I don't.
Sometimes it's good for certain things to be more exclusive.
ASFx
It's already been proven that the majority of college graduates don't get better jobs than non college graduates, so i think it would be nice if college was free. It would produce more educated people and we'd still have plenty of people to do the smaller jobs.
Radmax
I dont think college should be free. I think a high school education gives people a good enough education to survive. Anything after HS, I think people should have to work for.
RisingSun
QUOTE(BlueXInvest @ Aug 27 2006, 03:43 AM) [snapback]2698675[/snapback]

College should defenitely be free, the government should provide free college education for everyone.. who cares if they tax us more! It's beneficial to our society!


That's another issue.
Why should we have to pay more taxes so that other people can get an education.
It may be where I live / house, etc. but we're paying school taxes well over 10,000.

I could only imagine it if we supported Colleges too.
It's money that could best be spent on other things.
Necessities even.
Imagine how it will affect those not well off, and those who can't spare the money?
It's an unrealistic, unneeded thought.

People need to work for their higher education.
The money's worth it.
Heck, if people are going to treat it like high school, and possibly slack off, then it's just more tax money wasted.
optimist1419
Hey, let's compromise. We'll have a rebate program. You pay your tuition and expenses up front. If you graduate without having been a slacker and get a job in your major, then you get a partial of full refund.
matratzac
QUOTE(ASFx @ Aug 26 2006, 11:25 PM) [snapback]2698612[/snapback]

It's already been proven that the majority of college graduates don't get better jobs than non college graduates, so i think it would be nice if college was free. It would produce more educated people and we'd still have plenty of people to do the smaller jobs.

actually i read its been proven that college graduates make atleast $250,000 more in their lifetime than non college grads.

Speaking from experience tons of jobs would never show their faces without a degree. It opens up tons of opportunity. Granted, there are few who can get filthy rich with a genius idea or product but 99% of people are better off getting a degree if they want to be successful in a monetary way in their lifetime.
Netty


We have option for free college, but a very, very high demands to fulfill, to get a chance at all.
And you must really proove yourself as student, to keep benefit.
TheMobileHookup
QUOTE(xRealNinjuzx @ Aug 27 2006, 12:58 AM) [snapback]2698088[/snapback]

If they were going to make it free, why wouldn't they also make it mandatory, just like high school?

I would rather not have college ever be free since it will encourage people to go. I dont want that, because I need more people to serve me food, and learn a trade rather than most things people go to school to learn.

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Many still end up doing that after graduating anyway. Look at us...we're serving people tongue4.gif

I seriously feel like I've been paying student loans FOREVER. post-36326-1110185726.gif
Hula
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Aug 27 2006, 08:03 AM) [snapback]2701426[/snapback]

Many still end up doing that after graduating anyway. Look at us...we're serving people tongue4.gif

I seriously feel like I've been paying student loans FOREVER. post-36326-1110185726.gif



Some people are book smart but life stupid. post-36326-1110185726.gif

And yeah, I'm still paying my student loan, too. dry.gif
TheMobileHookup
I know a lot who have book smarts but you put them in the street and they're so lost. But that's what college is for right? Supposed to get you a good job and all that stuff and make it possible for you to get a promotion in your company. Yet only a small percentage get those jobs.
SensibleInvestor
QUOTE(Hula @ Aug 27 2006, 10:10 AM) [snapback]2701460[/snapback]

Some people are book smart but life stupid. post-36326-1110185726.gif

And yeah, I'm still paying my student loan, too. dry.gif



Voted no. Yes do agree with you that there are many booksmart but life ain't smart ppl Haiz wink.gif
gigitygigity
well,

the way it works over here in Ireland is, you are means tested on your parents income or if you are an independent person your are means tested on your own income! if you are eligible, you get your fees paid, plus about €500 for every month in college! obviously, this depends on how much you earn! the more you earn the less you get!

I think the system should be introduced all around the world! at least then it gives everybody the chance to attend college that may not be able to afford it!

VeryFunny
College Should be Free, they can pay for it with the money they would save on welfare and prisons and people would also make more and then pay more taxes also
Taz!
QUOTE(VeryFunny @ Aug 27 2006, 09:31 PM) [snapback]2703105[/snapback]

College Should be Free, they can pay for it with the money they would save on welfare and prisons and people would also make more and then pay more taxes also


So if everyone went to college, everyone would be making more? Where's all this extra money going to come from?
UNC
QUOTE(Taz! @ Aug 27 2006, 11:06 PM) [snapback]2703226[/snapback]

So if everyone went to college, everyone would be making more? Where's all this extra money going to come from?


The tax payers harhar.gif
Viperguy
I didn't know that in the US there wasn't free college.
In Brazil we have paid colleges and the free government colleges, which, in a funny way, usually have way better quality than the private ones.
Of course, to enter in a public college takes a lot of study and effort. But I've managed to do so smile.gif
TheMobileHookup
QUOTE(Viperguy @ Aug 28 2006, 01:45 PM) [snapback]2707069[/snapback]

I didn't know that in the US there wasn't free college.
In Brazil we have paid colleges and the free government colleges, which, in a funny way, usually have way better quality than the private ones.
Of course, to enter in a public college takes a lot of study and effort. But I've managed to do so smile.gif

You thought something in the US was free? rofl4.gif
gigitygigity
QUOTE(SensibleInvestor @ Aug 27 2006, 08:11 PM) [snapback]2701721[/snapback]

Voted no. Yes do agree with you that there are many booksmart but life ain't smart ppl Haiz wink.gif



Can i ask, did you ever go to college?
matratzac
QUOTE(gigitygigity @ Aug 27 2006, 04:21 PM) [snapback]2702698[/snapback]

well,

the way it works over here in Ireland is, you are means tested on your parents income or if you are an independent person your are means tested on your own income! if you are eligible, you get your fees paid, plus about €500 for every month in college! obviously, this depends on how much you earn! the more you earn the less you get!

I think the system should be introduced all around the world! at least then it gives everybody the chance to attend college that may not be able to afford it!

yea, its called financial aid.
marcois10
i think you shound pay because then only the people that realy want an eucation will get one not that just anyboby (e.g. hobo because he droped out of school) and i wont realy like sitting next to just anyboby like a drug dealer... crying.gif
nshady
no need to be free, just make it affordable , more government colleges tongue4.gif
gigitygigity
QUOTE(matratzac @ Aug 29 2006, 12:50 AM) [snapback]2708405[/snapback]

yea, its called financial aid.


no, its called the European Social Fund Grant specifically for 3rd level education
matratzac
QUOTE(gigitygigity @ Aug 29 2006, 09:17 AM) [snapback]2712464[/snapback]

no, its called the European Social Fund Grant specifically for 3rd level education

not in america its not, its called financial aid and its a loan granted by the government specially for people to attend college
gigitygigity
QUOTE(matratzac @ Aug 29 2006, 06:26 PM) [snapback]2712506[/snapback]

not in america its not, its called financial aid and its a loan granted by the government specially for people to attend college


this isnt a loan!
TheMobileHookup
QUOTE(gigitygigity @ Aug 29 2006, 01:30 PM) [snapback]2712524[/snapback]

this isnt a loan!

Must be nice to get it free.
But in the US if college was free then every pimp, drug dealer and gunrunner would be in class next to you learning how to solidify their operations.

I can see it now tongue4.gif

"If I give me hoes a 401k, maybe they'll work for me longer and I can attract new ones".

"Wow, so that's how unemployment rate is done. If I get these discouraged workers back to the workforce by selling my guns to kids, I can help the economy"

"If I add some CH2 to my cocaine, that's some powerful censored2.gif "

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VeryFunny
it is cool that YES has more votes
matratzac
QUOTE(VeryFunny @ Aug 29 2006, 08:03 PM) [snapback]2714890[/snapback]

it is cool that YES has more votes

no it aint
Viperguy
QUOTE(matratzac @ Aug 30 2006, 03:10 AM) [snapback]2714912[/snapback]

no it aint


Why not?
VeryFunny
if u dont want college a place where people do nothing, then say u need to keep a GPA of something. Also maybe put a limit on it of say 4 years for a standard degree. Also they could still keep the adminison policy of u need these grades to get in


Viperguy
QUOTE(VeryFunny @ Aug 30 2006, 03:00 PM) [snapback]2717621[/snapback]

if u dont want college a place where people do nothing, then say u need to keep a GPA of something. Also maybe put a limit on it of say 4 years for a standard degree. Also they could still keep the adminison policy of u need these grades to get in


My college is free and yes, we have to do lots of things there. we do have this limit you said, so ppl that don't study lose their place there.
VeryFunny
i think people dont want college to be free cause they want to keep poor people poor or something
JohnQ101
[size=4]I don't think college should be free, but I don't think it should be this expensive.
SensibleInvestor
QUOTE(gigitygigity @ Aug 28 2006, 10:27 AM) [snapback]2707293[/snapback]

Can i ask, did you ever go to college?



Can I ask u the same?

I ddint go to college but rather I went to uni and so on...
Doommister
It should be free to those who qualified with some test.
Forenzicas
In the US those who can't afford it college IS free for them. I do not believe college should be free for everyone.

As a college student myself, it annoys the crap out of me to see kids there, who don't want to be there, moaning and complaining about how their mommy and daddy made them go. They bring NOTHING to the college community with their crappy attitudes and stupid high school games. They make the class more difficult by constantly being jerks, coming unprepared, and skipping classes. Instructors get tired of this too - and they see it so much that they take it out on the ones that actually stay for the whole class.

Last month, for summer session, my class was 8 weeks long and when it started, had 50 people in there. By the end of those 8 weeks, there were 13 people in the class. How many other people, who wanted to actually be in that class because they NEEDED it were turned a way because it was so packed with dropouts.?

If you want a college degree, I think you should pay for it yourself.
TheMobileHookup
QUOTE(Forenzicas @ Sep 2 2006, 05:11 PM) [snapback]2735906[/snapback]

In the US those who can't afford it college IS free for them. I do not believe college should be free for everyone.

As a college student myself, it annoys the crap out of me to see kids there, who don't want to be there, moaning and complaining about how their mommy and daddy made them go. They bring NOTHING to the college community with their crappy attitudes and stupid high school games. They make the class more difficult by constantly being jerks, coming unprepared, and skipping classes. Instructors get tired of this too - and they see it so much that they take it out on the ones that actually stay for the whole class.

Last month, for summer session, my class was 8 weeks long and when it started, had 50 people in there. By the end of those 8 weeks, there were 13 people in the class. How many other people, who wanted to actually be in that class because they NEEDED it were turned a way because it was so packed with dropouts.?

If you want a college degree, I think you should pay for it yourself.

College isn't free for those who can't afford it. I know many who didn't go or couldn't because of money.
Forenzicas
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Sep 2 2006, 02:16 PM) [snapback]2735917[/snapback]

College isn't free for those who can't afford it. I know many who didn't go or couldn't because of money.


That's because they didn't apply for it OR they make more than the cut off.
matratzac
QUOTE(Forenzicas @ Sep 2 2006, 01:19 PM) [snapback]2735934[/snapback]

That's because they didn't apply for it OR they make more than the cut off.

exactly
TheMobileHookup
QUOTE(Forenzicas @ Sep 2 2006, 05:19 PM) [snapback]2735934[/snapback]

That's because they didn't apply for it OR they make more than the cut off.

Doesn't that contradict your statement then?
Not talking about the not applied part.

More than a cutoff could be a few cents and those few cents don't change the situation.
There are way too many guidelines in place that do keep some people out and then those who don't want to go get a free ride.
Forenzicas
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Sep 2 2006, 02:23 PM) [snapback]2735957[/snapback]

Doesn't that contradict your statement then?
Not talking about the not applied part.

More than a cutoff could be a few cents and those few cents don't change the situation.
There are way too many guidelines in place that do keep some people out and then those who don't want to go get a free ride.


Hmm.. I'm not sure I see where I'm contradicting myself but they have to draw the line somewhere. If they didn't then how would they determine who gets help and who doesn't? Writing skills? Race? Religion? It's easier to generalize people by how much money they make.

Don't get me wrong, I do think people who WANT to go should get help, but I don't think it should be free for EVERYONE. I think someone who wants to be a doctor, dentist, teacher should have to pay for their degrees.

It's easy to tell who is taking their classes seriously - those that pay for it themselves and those that don't.
TheMobileHookup
But that is not always true and that's where the line comes in.
Pimps getting degrees rofl4.gif
Forenzicas
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Sep 2 2006, 02:40 PM) [snapback]2736002[/snapback]

Pimps getting degrees rofl4.gif


LOL I can't imagine a pimp in a bright banana yellow pimp suit sitting next to me in Geometry class.
TheMobileHookup
Geometry? There's a lot he can teach his hoes after that class..........
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