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Hello everyone,

as you may know - monitors are really important when it comes to investing. They are no
guarantee for profits but they make the world of HYIPs a bit safer. But i think the problem
is, that monitoring sites commit one big mistake:

They mark HYIPs as PAYING TOO EARLY.

I dunno why and how (and that's of course the reason why i'm posting here) but is there a
possibility to force monitors to mark HYIPs as PAYING if AND ONLY if they are 100% in profit?
That would - in my opinion - make HYIP sites lasting longer and running more stable.

I know that there're monitoring sites registered @ MMG reading this one and who maybe have
better contacts. I even dunno if there's a need to apply my ideas. If so, how can we spread the
word?

Thanks for reading,
golem

This should be moved to \"General Discussion\"

Sorry, i only read that:

as for me .
i rate program as paying when i receive my first Interest payment .
Not Referral payment like some monitors Do .

and there are statestics of the payments in my site with a payment memo .

The first interest payment? But this could be e.g. payment #1of4 and
that would mean that you're not in profit. I think that's too early!

in long term programs , it might take 50 days or more to be in Profit .
you can always check the payment stats to see the amount that was received exactly , before you make your decision and make an investment .

another thing .
when the program send me a payment , it is paying , why not to post so ?
you always can check the payment ratio in my monitoring image , if you want to see how much the program pays .

and if you see it more than 100% you can see i am in profit .

My site is not a monitor anymore, it has free listings and just ratings... Guess that is a rating site
But originally it was a monitor, the way it worked is that I never shared my signup info to the admins so I could never be paid before the rest of the members... Like some programs do to get a quick payng status!

So there was never any ref links of mine either on the site (to keep hidden) so they never knew who I was in their programs because I would signup with different info
This made what I think was the only real monitoring that I have seen so far, well at least the fool proof way!

Only problem was that admins seemed to be scared of it!.... And I was going broke because of it
But at least I tried to clean up the hyip crap, just didn't catch on much

Ok, for longterm programs it's maybe another thing. That's ok. But the crucial thing is,
that people often look on the label whether it's paying or not. Scammers know that and
pay ref. commisions or small bonuses and stuff. For programs that are just hourly-, 1-day-
or 2-day - payment based, monitor admins should wait until they are in profit.

I think that is hard to realise Your idea but there is some monitors which are showing a lot informations which investor need:

example:

http://hyip-help.com

http://hyip-help.com/?link=details&lid...65f8530567e#149

look at ROI table red color if not in profit and green color if in profit.
or http://goodhyips.com all full return HYIPS are marked "in profit" .

In button from my monitor is also showed how many % of total was withdrawed so this in my opinion helps to

well my monitor site is now for sale! lolz so whatever the next owner do its them! but as for me i only rated as "paying" when they pay me AND someone else rate them as they got paid, minimum 2, i didnt post it in my site because the admin can be really smart a$$ and go rate their program, thats how i could catch the scammers and it worked, you can see in my site most of my programs as "not paying" because they are not really paying, they paid me yes, but not to the members, so now its rated not paying! lolz! i did a good work yea i know! thanks...lolz

@ logan and cash4u

Very nice ideas and practices, that's how monitor sites should work..


But normally these grafics are too small so that it might be better to
add a NOT IN PROFIT status that people (especially beginners) recognize
if a program works fine. I put my trusts in smaller monitors who work to
support the investor and not to earn money (e.g. i don't like goldpoll btw).

Actually I don't show any status at all anymore!
I have free listings for advertising purposes now, basically just gives the admins good free advertising.... Afterall thats what they are realing looking for

Simple reason I also chose to not have a "status" is because people need to do their own DD and research a little before throwing their money at something!... Not just rely soley on a monitor.

Some monitors will help, some won't... In the end you are the one that makes the decision, so you should be the one to make up your own mind.

To those 2 too bad a "few" others weren't the same.

The trouble with monitor sites is you never know if they are unbiased or not. Take ASA for example. to get a premium listing a site had to be run by mrsvee first, now sites are getting premium listing without that, I think we all know how, money in Jake's pocket. So can you trust any monitor site. I think the answer is no, because we all know they will be the first and last to be paid and will not post any problems until it is too late for the general public. AS for ASA, scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned.

You can always find useful info by checking monitors
and double crossing ,it does not mean you have to feed
or support them by feeding their pockets tho .
Obvioulsy their aim and only reason is extra cash free out
of referrals and i can tell you i would never support any of those
unless i truly believe one made special effort to present propspects
with info you could have not obtained else where.

You know that Mrs Vee...she placed $5 in several programs pretending
to spend thousands..and all for sake of commission...

So nothing wrong in using them without feeding them

I hear horror stories over and over from admins of programs about monitors and it doesn't surprise me one bit. What do they do? They promote illegal ponzis, so considering the seedy business this is and who's involved and that monitors are in this seedy business to make money just like everyone else, all the stories of favortism, bribery, back alley deals, extortion, sabotage should come as no surprise to anyone. I think if people knew just some of the things that go on, monitors wouldn't have half the prestige that they have now