Okay now.... NO ARGUING, NO ARGUING, NO ARGUING.
Being adults I feel that we can post our opinions and feelings on this subject which should be of importance to everyone.
I know a lot of you are young, but this is something that you need to discuss with your families - not only so they know what your wishes are, but for you to know theirs.
Having worked in the ER for 6 years, I saw many families having to deal with sudden death......but in this situation there are no rules.

Terry Schiavo


Terry Schiavo



My family is well aware of what my wishes are if something should happen to me. An adult child most likely does not discuss this with their parents if they are married, knowing that their spouse will have the legal right to fulfill whatever wishes they know of.
I feel that it is wrong of the parents to have intervened for such a long time when multiple medical personnel have stated that their is no hope for recovery. Yet, for years this has been the case - spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for continued medical care, lawyers, specialists for the defense, ect.
Let this woman have the peace she spoke of to her husband when she was able to do so. It is what is proper.

I agree with you.

I agree also, I also have a question how many times can a case be appealed? This is becoming a joke. Judge after Judge keeps saying the same thing.

maybe ask the resident Lawyer to be, rosettaresearch, but I think for each appeal thier has to be new evidence, or some kind of legal crap that was done wrong.

I say let the woman go, 14 years in a bed on a food tube with no cognance is something I doubt anyone would want.

In refrence to Leen, if she cuts herself and needs more then 3 stitches im gonna pull the plug.... Just kidding...


its a joke...


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I just started getting into this story a few days ago. My husband and I talked about it for a few hours early this morning and he feels the way you do Leen.

Question, isn't there a doctor according to the parents that stated Terry does have hope for recovery in the future? Didn't her parents say that she has showed some kind of response to them at various times?

I've been following this case pretty closely for a while now and was especially curious as to what the outcome of this newest hearing would be. I have to say that I think that Terry's parents have been rather selfish in pursuing an appeal over and over again when it has been stated to them several times that there is no hope of Terry's recovery.... I understand that they love their daughter and don't want to see her die, but I think they should ask themselves if they would want to be kept alive under the same conditions.
After all this, I have made sure that my husband and my parents are both aware of my wishes so there can be no dispute should anything happen to me....

THey have said that they have seen responses from her, but under the circumstances, if you are hopeful for something to happen, you see what you want to see.... You could interpret the slightest bat of an eyelash as what ever you want.... especially when it is your child...

Just like steroids in baseball...tell the government to get the hell out and go feed the homeless or something. Let the family do what they feel is right. If it was me and I had to have a tube, I'd prefer to have someone pull it...

It's their daughter and everything but they stated over and over there is no hope, though I don't listen to doctors about anything, they just work with drug companies and want to make more money...this is a case where they may be right.

Like it or not, this should not be a government thing unless they start paying the damned bills like they should be.

1) It really isnt the families decision to make, and I think it is sad that they are disrespecting her wishes.

2) It is absolutely rediculous that congress is trying to step in.

The responses that have occurred do not require any type of cognitive function. She does not respond to her name or to her mom or dad specifically. I feel deeply for this family, but the time came a long time ago to let Terry go.

I'm so sick of hearing about this, she is 15 minutes from me and always on the news. They need to let her die and keep big brother out of her life. She is much worse than portrayed in the news and should be left to die. This is a very sensitive issue, but put yourself in her place.

The US government is everywhere and only getting worse. So much for the Constitution and all those that fought for it. I better stop before I really say something I would regret.

It's stupid that theyre trying to say that they want to "save her life". She hasn't had a "life" in a long time.. they should just end her suffering.

If there were some good doctors they would commit euthanasia.I agree with Leen and other who say that that women should be left to die in peace after all she wanted that.She doesn't respond and doesn't remember anyone or anything.She is in her bed all day long.Thats not life its more like a form of vegetative state.I think that her husband has a point.

JMO,
Amy

I think she should be allowed to die also. I wouldn't want to live like that.
I have read many posts on other forums saying her husband is basically murdering her, and he should divorce her and let her family take care of her.
If it is true that she said before the accident that she didn't want to live like that then her husband is a man of great strength. He is portrayed by alot of the media as the bad guy, he was even offered a million dollars to give up his right to decide and he still fights on to carry out her wishes.

i think both congress and judjes intervening is crap
we all r no body to end a person's life
i dont understand
a doctor is thought right from the starting tht he/she has to save the life of a patient

who gave the right to remove the feeding tube
in the first place

this is the life of a patient we r all talking abt

everybody has the right to live

Terri Schiavo's feeding tube must be reinserted and all forms of medical care should be given

no body goes above GOD

GOD decides who lives and who doesnt

and please dont say tht there r people here who believe in evolution crap theory where there is nothing in terms of belief.

Everybody has the right to die with dignity too and not be a political and media football. As far as what is known and accepted as fact, she would have wanted the tube removed long ago.
NUK

sax....
the idea the God is the person who determines the beginning and ending of life is correct. Yet, it was the medical community who brought this young woman back to life after the initial medical event, and then because they had resuscitated her, had to administer the feeding tube due to her vegetative state.





If any of you have specific medical wishes you want to be observed, go visit your local hospital - - most of them, by law, have to have some type of paperwork that is generally term a 'living will'. Pretty simple to complete and have witnessed --- and it takes the guess work out of these types of situations.

ok u all r saying tht
she would really want to die
according to me mercy killing is the most paintaking descision a doctor can ever have
u see nuk i dont agree tht she would want to do tht
how can u be so sure nuk dont u see any ray of hope

u r right tht everybody want to die with dignity
yes i do accept she is in a vegetative state but
could any of you if u were in her position want to die by taking descisions yourself

u see i believe in god
i believe we all have to face faith
we cant change it
i know she would want to die but why should the doctor take the responsibility for her

can anybody here give her a garuntee tht she will become alright or can any of u say tht she will die at this time or something to her

none of u can

god has decided tht something will happen
and nobody can change it

leen i am sorry to disagree with u
doctors dont decide anything
god decided tht she had to live be it in any state
yes it is a painful life
i dont know ur beliefs

i believe prayers can change anything in this world ,i am a person who feels the presence of god so much after i went through the most unwanted of situations.

do something good for her pray tht she becomes alright

i agree with this statement. i mean, really, it's been too long already.

personaly after watching the media circus on the tube me and my girl are going to get living wills so it wont happent to either of us.We dont want someone making us stick arround long after were gone and made to stay in such a untollerable condition such as hers.She has no life and from experience (not the same of course)i was bed ridden and now am in a wheelchair and signed a living will before my last sugery in n.c stating if i didnt come back give me two weeks and pull the plug no ifs ands or buts becouse i wassent coming back.We dont want the gov to pass a law in the future that would keep me or her on a machine(anything resperator or feeding tube)indefently becouse they say im still alive becouse i really wouldnt be.I really feel for her and this whole ordeal and we believe her family needs to just let go my ex had to go thru same thing with her father(massave heartattack and stroke at same time) her dads brain stem was only brain function going he was breating and heartbeat but he wassent there just a shell and they had to make the decission to turn off the machines he continued to live for 2 weeks but eventuly passed on.Which was the best thing for all but it still saddens me becouse she herself passed away last year of cancer after she told them to turn off her machine herself but shes in a better place and she didnt have to suffer for years and years being kept on a machine against her will.

1) She has been living off of machines for the past 15 years with essentially know signs of cognative brain activity. Doctors and Advances in medicine are the only thing that have kept her alive. Without this artificial technology, something completely unnatural, she would not be here today.

2) Has the thought occured to you that maybe God wants the feeding tube removed? Your beleif in god seems all inclusive that he/she is responsible for everything including day to day activity. Why would it not be possible that God would not like to see this type of intervention (or lack there of)?

Not only that but each time this case was brought to court, the judged ruled in favor of the husband because he was able to provide clear and convincing evidence through himself and of other witnesses.

If she were an animal she would've been put down, and failure to do so would've seen those in care of the animal prosecuted... but since we are not animals the cruelty to animals act does not cover us humans...so people have to suffer. Bit "RUFF" isn't it!

The US government is so horrible and gets worse every day. I signed a living will before my first major surgery this year. That is no quality of life, I would not want to be resucitated and would want the plug pulled. That is not living and my husband knows my wishes. Just let her go and be in peace. My cousin is a nurse and she said when people are brought back and put on ventilators, I know Terry is breathing on her own, but still things like that make them suffer terribly. Why should someone have to suffer and if that is their wish, let them go and be in peace with their God.

Yeah.. Shoot a horse with a broken leg to stop it from suffering, but we keep people alive artificially, and they go through hell.

If God is the ever merciful being he is supposed to be, I recon he wouldn't want her to suffer any more than she has already.

Let the poor woman rest in peace.

Schiavo appeal denied
In a 2-1 ruling early Wednesday, a panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta said the parents "failed to demonstrate a substantial case on the merits of any of their claims" that Terri's feeding tube should be reinserted immediately.

Radmax86
i agree to some aspects of your post but some i dont
if i was the one who was always near her i wont let her die
its easy for all of u to say things
like this, have u all got any idea of wht it is like to loose a loved one
yes i know wht she is going through but i wont take the descision of killing her all i would do is PRAY
and one more thing tht i noted
u r talking to me as if god is not knowing things
KNOW this if the almighty wanted her to be DEAD she would have been dead
even before u can open ur eyes after blinking them
once


no disrespect to u Radmax86
but dont ever think tht anybody knows wht god thinks
u see if god thinks like u do
then u r the GOD

but u r not

its tht simple

i dont know if u all have read the BIBLE or not.

take the example of jesus
he knew wht all would happen to him all the torture and everything but didnt jesus try his level best to still live.

she has a purpose
god knows it
when he wants he will take her with HIM


everybody over here is talking of writing wills for situations like these

I BELIEVE A COURT RULING TO END A PERSONS LIFE IS JUST A SANCTIONED MURDER.

i too have to go from this world when my time is up
when i am alive all tht i believe is to do good things for others in life while i can.

the parents failed to show proof so they are reinstating the food tube? I thought thats what the parents wanted?

All I know is they should let her rest in peace, not keep her alive. I know my great grandmother was a vegetable the last 6-8 months of her life and we ,the family, wanted to pull the plug, but according to a Kentucky Law, the doctors couldnt unless it was in a living will.... I couldnt even go see her being in that bed and not remembering me, i prefer to remember her as she was ...

I am sure that Terrys parents would of been better off to let her go and remember thier daughter like she was before this tragic accident.

Lets not discuss "God" please, I will start a big fight...... let the woman go be with God.....

so kenny

is it legal in USA to write a will whereby in effect mercy killing can be done

coz in india as far as i know mercing killing is not possible.

yes it is legal, its called a living will

people have them done so if they end up being a "Vegtable", they can choose to have the plug pulled and not be a burden on thier family.

I know if I was in a bad accident and couldnt be me, I wouldnt want to live in a hospital.

IF thier is no living will, it is the husband or wifes call...not the parents/familys....

ask leen this stuff, she knows more about it than i do...

kenny thanks for letting me know

leen your honest opinion
if u were her would u be willing to die knowing tht GOD will punish ur husband for taking ur life even when he did it with ur permission.
more over would u want him to pull the plug knowing tht he wants u back so much becoz of his love for u and if u made him do tht wht answer would u give GOD.

give a honest answer

sax....
right at the beginning of this thread it states "no arguing"

This is a highly volatile issue to some, it brings into play so many topics that could be argued until the proverbial "cows" come home.

I started this thread for the sole purpose of making people aware of the options that EVERYONE has regarding their own life, and the implications that some types of medical tragedy could have on it.

The phrase you use of mercy killing in no way applies to the legal paperwork termed a LIVING WILL. This piece of paper precludes any type of intervention by a doctor that the person in question has deemed not allowable. In the ER where I worked we had one ROOM specifically used for housing these types of documents so that those providing the front line medical care wold be made aware of the patients wishes. Tragic as it sounds, when a doctor has a piece of paper in his possession that precludes any type of rescusitation, he has to follow that persons wishes - - no matter what the possible outcomes could be.


sax....honest answer ---- My entire family knows that it would never have been my wish to be placed on the feeding tube in the first place. The quality of life to me supercedes any medical procedure that would keep my 'shell' alive. I truly beleive that God would not punish anyone for giving to me what I wanted --- the right to live under my own terms.

leen if i was the doctor i would resign my duties
i dont have to follow wht is said in a piece of paper
even if i do guilt will finish me all by itself

Sax, the legal ramifications attached to a LIVING WILL (which is not something to be found where you live I would have to beleive) here in the US are of the highest priority to those who not only complete one, but to those who have to follow its instructions. Each and every person is the one to determine their medical wishes --- yet if those are not known by family, friends, doctors, then every thing will be done to sustain that persons heartbeat. Even if behind that heartbeat there is nothing left of the person it keeps alive.

Now ..... this is not going to turn into a debate. Every one has their own beliefs. There is no right or wrong ---- they are individual.

My mother was suspected of taking an overdose a few years ago in England, and my family and I took her to the hospital. I was amazed to discover that the hospital could not pump someones stomach if they had refused such treatment. So if someone is taken to the hospital after attempting suicide, as long as they aware enough to refuse their is nothing the hospital can do, they would have to leave them to die.

figments here in india
doctors decide wht is good for the patients
u see freedom above certain limits in effect is anarchy

u see figments no offence but i dont think asia and the western world can unify on certain aspects i really wish
schiavo didnt have to go through all this

why does the media have to report all this
dont civilians in usa have something known as freedom to privacy or is it tht
her relatives were happy for the media coverage

BUSH ADMIN is crap when it comes to these matters
but bush is one real cunning president his intention is to make america have wht god never wanted america to have and tht is OIL

for bush OIL is jesus

No offense taken.
I would like to point out that my husband, who is Asian, said he would take out a feeding tube if I was in that position, and would want me to do the same for him.

figments
thts your descision
i cant change it

i would have told to do nothing and let god decide

How can you openly admit that humans do not know what God thinks, yet you claim that if god wanted her dead whe sould have been dead long ago? Why do you claim to know god want her to live?

Why is it not possible that god wanted the feeding tube removed? Is it possible that this is her purpose in life, to act as an example for patient rights and to adjust the thinking of people in the United States? I fail to see why this could not be part of gods master plan.

Thirdly, your mentioning of the Bush administration and claims that they are driven by oil is not only argumentative, but absolutely irrelevant to this discussion. I'd like to be able to continue this, but we will not be continuing it if people bring up irrelevant points just for the sake of an argument.

Ladies and Gentlemen....

OPINIONS ONLY ... POINT OF VIEW ... YOUR THOUGHTS

Please do not question someone elses beliefs or statements. I will have admin close this thread if it continues.

The idea that as adults, we should be able to post our opinions on this very serious matter is what I originally intended.
Each person has differing backgrounds (cultural, religious, personal occurances, regional) that will affect their statements.

What do you think? Does the husband have any personal interest if his wife dies?!

She has no life insurance, so he has no financial claim to her death.

Sax.... Bush's Administration have NOTHING to do with this case, these laws have been around alot longer than President Bush has been in office. Fact is as it says in the Bible, Each person is free to live thier life how they see and will be judge upon thier death ( thats no a direct quote but the point is the same).... So religion is how people Interupt the bible, well I interupt my judgement to come once I am dead, I am sure that Terry and her family/friends have been thru 15 years of torture, why continue the pain?

Actually OIL is a worldwide issue and it shows your lack of knowledge about World politics/economy to make such a claim.

You seem very strong in your opinions and for the sake of this discussion lets agree to dis-agree eh?

Whatever happens to Terry, I hope one day she rest in peace.

I don't think he would gain anything from her death. And if money were a motive, he would have taken the million dollar offers he was getting to just 'walk away'.

Pull it
Move on
NEXT!

Two points, I guess, though I feel horrible for anyone who is family and caught in a mess like this--my stepdad was quite clear that he wanted a feeding tube and fluids, but no extraordinary medical procedures and I respected that--I'm not entirely familiar with the case in the US, but starvation/dehydration seems inhuman. That's also fairly consistent with my religious views on the subject--you have to keep people comfortable, and whilst extraordinary life-saving measures aren't required if that's not what people want, you can't do something to directly cause them to die, either.

When I was in coma I was aware of what was going on around me, I heard doctors saying I'd die or if by some miracle I didn't, I'd be in a persistent vegetative state--uhh--didn't work out that way, so I'm glad nobody got too trigger happy.

Also, in a country where medicine is for-profit--and this is where families really get caught up in it--financial issues do come into play. But even in a case like this, it could be construed as one more step towards so-called 'mercy-killing'. I studied a number of alleged euthanasia cases where the person clearly did not want to die if you look at letters, diaries, conversations with other family members, etc., and sometimes even the courts--but were coerced into it, on account of a family member couldn't handle taking care of them anymore and the expense was crushing. And sometimes for more sinister motives.

That isn't to say that everybody doesn't want to die. Some people do. But if there's a question, you have to err on the side of life--at least not starving them to death.

We don't have for-profit medicine here, thankfully, at least not overtly like in the States. But you've got to wonder how much a government that has a medical system like the US does is leaning more towards killing the seriously ill than spending money on medical research and hospice care--funds have certainly been diverted in the past, and I'd hate to see it become even more acceptable.

Maybe the best thing in the US is to make 'mercy killing' illegal, and then if it happens and people go to court afterwards, the sentence is based on the evidence of how and why it occurred. I just think in a country whose economy relies so much on for-profit health care that allowing people to be killed or to have life-support withdrawn when there are still questions is going to start us down a road we do not wish to go.

Terry's mother says that she responds to her. I do believe that, because a mother knows and see's things in their children that no one else can see.

I know she is not a child anymore, but but no matter how old your children get...
Your still the mother and
they are still your babies.

I also think she has thoughts and feelings, she just
can't communicate them to anyone.

God be with her and her family. My heart goes out to her mother, and the rest of her family.

For everyone else try to prepare for your future.
No one knows what even the next second of your life holds in store for you.

I am not associated with the media, but I just want to make a comment
about what sax referred to as the media circus, The media is everywhere.
For the most part it is a good thing they are.Because the whole world can see whats going on with each other very quickly and help when needed. like the
recent sunami disaster.
Just like the internet. So much good... and so much bad.

Sax your thoughts about God and prayer were all good.
So then why did you have to bring it down by making such a shallow statement,
like, oil is Jesus to Bush.
Sorry, I know this thread is not political but I just had to comment on that.

Schiavo Legal Update

well well well
from now on no more unwanted stuff from my side

today on the front page of yahoo i saw the news heading "bush to take custody of schiavo"
and something of a tape related to schiavo as misleading

u want to know of my sincere opinion

if i was in such pain and illness i would just let it all be
but if the media gets involved
i am surely going to get only more pain.

for bush everything is abt the dollar dollar bills
he has no interest of wht happens to schiavo
i say he is doint it for the publicity stunt

and by the way the sunami scenario
its right tht the internet has helped
but internet aint invading anybodys privacy visually
but tv news does tht

i mean i am here in india
miles and miles apart and yet i see a news of a patient in USA
dont those idiots who tape this know how hurting it might be for her parents and all loved ones.

and why is it tht at a time of despair like this
the parents and her husband has different opinions.

and ontop which idiot made the case public
wht was the motive of showing a patient like schiavo to the whole world havent all privacy invaders done enough to this poor woman.