We have here some great people.
We have here some honest people.
We have here some capable people.
And yet, we haven't put our heads together and come up with an internet business where we could all make some serious and honest money.
What's the problem???
Couldn't we start a business similar to Studio Traffic or 4daily and give them a run for their money? (There's a lot of money in advertising, let's go after it)
The difference would be that it would be run by a few very good people and not only one like those companies. That way it would ensure that it would last.
What do you think???
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No one is interested to reply your post. Even you have a very few views, lol.
You would loose money if you try to be honest in a business. Try to to be much more selfish, don't trust others, don't help others, try to confuse others. That should be your lessons before coming into professional fields. People like me a genius. Honestly I'm not interested to say lie to anyone. I'm trying to be honest from the begining. If I earn money or not. I love God's most amazing creation, human. Anyway, you should understand NO program here on the net can run forever. It must die one day. No one knows when, but it will. I suggest you, don't spend money over net. Online business is very very risky!!! Stop your breath for 3 minites. If you get successful, you will realise that you have such confidence to play in this virtual world.
Okay woohoo, I'd have to say I disagree with you. There is nothing wrong with honesty in business. It is entirely possible to run a business efficiently without conflicting with your morals. Also, with partners, a company can have a LOT more potential. If you don't trust anyone, you could never get a loan, or buy anything. And the third segment of your reply. It was completely disconnected from what you were saying. Explain that to us plz? Also, it should be understood that no BUSINESS can run forever, online or not. And to finalize, the greater the risk the greater the reward. However, the risks only outweigh the rewards when you don't know what you are doing. Thank you for reading.
im sure there's lots of people on here who have made good money with the great long term programs (studiotraffic, pin, ymmss)
If we all put our heads together i'm sure we could make a program that rivalled these greats. Our combined knowledge of the past, what has worked well and what hasn't, could certainly fuel a great long lasting program that could benefit all. i wouldn't want it to be a doubler/cycler, those are too volatile regardless of how many precautions are in place. Earnings around 1-2% a day would be good I think.
Putting together an honest program that will last is easier said than done. Any honest legal program will not pay more than 1 to 2% a day. This also will be difficult to sustain consistently forever. Then comes what REALLY ruins an honest legit program...member expectations. Members in online momeymaking programs tend to expect too much(spoilt by all the doublers..lol) When that expectation is not met (can happen frequently) the program is doomed.
You dont find this happening in real life offline investments where people are happy to make 10 to 15% a year! In conclusion, the only programs that will flourish are the half shady ones..hmmmmm
Well first you need a great product that people will keep repurchasing...Start there and then work the program around it.
That be tight, If everyone around here came up with the next Studiotraffic or similar..
I could see it happening.. But I dont know.. Everything eventually dies 
No doubler or autosurf program can grow infinitly and without growth no members can be paid out. As long as there are people making money with this kind of prgrams (this sounds anyway too serious for what they are) others have to loose their bucks. Money can't reproduce out of itself, it's always coming from other members which usually joined later than the winners. How sad, isn't it...?
How is Studiotraffic anyway? Does it pay well?
For such a low risk, it does pay well.
I used to be a member, it started a little slow for me. Just wondering if I should get back in.
Thing is ... honestly ... if I was "running" one of the online businesses I would have to pass it on to someone cause in three years or so after I have made my bundle and can retreat to my private island .. I will be outta here! I think most people would agree with that - but then again some people never have enough.
Thanks for the many comments!
 I wanted to start the ball rolling, hoping some capable people here can then pick it up and run with it. The product I see that could make something work for a long time is advertising. Think of all the money that is spent in advertising products. If one could built a huge group of people willing to look at advertising, wouldn't that amount to something. What do people do when an ad comes on TV? I usually get something to eat, go to the bathroom, or check to see what's on another channel. Now what if they paid us to watch the ad? Just thinking out loud.
Advertising can be lucrative--but I haven't seen programmes around here selling it.
Nobody's really got out of the PTR-pit $3 for 10,000 untargeted views mentality, despite what they claim. If they knew markets and real demographics, it could make a lot of money--but it would take a while, and a whole lot of work and no guarantees that advetisers would take you seriously. You won't find people here willing to take on that kind of thing--not when you can open a ponzi in an hour or less and rake in the cash. QUOTE Are we here to make money or lose money?, That IS the question A little bit of Both.....
I guess it all goes with the saying, You win some you lose some .
What i think:
Doublers are a game....Want to play? If you win money is your's. If you lose... You lose even every thing. So first decide if you wanna play a game. Don't think it's a investment. QUOTE(stormy @ Mar 13 2005, 03:16 AM) What i think: Doublers are a game....Want to play? If you win money is your's. If you lose... You lose even every thing. So first decide if you wanna play a game. Don't think it's a investment. [right][snapback]181500[/snapback][/right] I agree with u stormy It's a game for doublers
I'm out of doublers. I'm too nice of a guy. I always put the money back in to be a "team player" and then lose. Anyway I really don't want to be a part of anything that can only result in people losing money. I like win-win situations. I'm hoping the surfing programs will accomplish that. Time will tell!
QUOTE(angelboy @ Mar 12 2005, 04:58 PM) Thanks for the many comments! I wanted to start the ball rolling, hoping some capable people here can then pick it up and run with it. The product I see that could make something work for a long time is advertising. Think of all the money that is spent in advertising products. If one could built a huge group of people willing to look at advertising, wouldn't that amount to something. What do people do when an ad comes on TV? I usually get something to eat, go to the bathroom, or check to see what's on another channel. Now what if they paid us to watch the ad? Just thinking out loud. [right][snapback]180953[/snapback][/right] I think I understand where you're going with this. I've read your similar suggestion thread at 4Daily, and think it's a great idea! (apparently admin. Jim Hunt thinks so, too). ST and 4D pays it's members to autosurf websites, the difference between the 2 is 4D pays additional cash (& credit) bonuses for actually viewing the websites. I know the bonuses are pennies, but I don't mind kicking back sometimes and watching for them. With ST, I may look at a page or 2, only when I'm starting a session or ending one. I would also think, with some big advertisers, that they would be able to make the bonuses larger. Also, it would be easy for advertisers to check the effectiveness of their ads by maybe giving a coupon that can be printed out. For an example... maybe buy one whopper, get one free sorta thing. I haven't used any PTR sites yet, but I know of a few MLM people who have had success advertising there opportunities. People do respond to ads that they are getting paid to see. Maybe in the future, the only ones paying for advertisements, will be the huge corporations. All of the little guys, can get free or even paid for their advertising.
Student, I think there's something here. It just needs a good group of people that are honest and see the vision.
Think of all the money in adv that's spent without much results. One just has to built a better mousetrap. Trap the mice by rewarding them with bonuses, prizes, ect. People will pay attention if you pay them. Pay to read ads have great potential. QUOTE(angelboy @ Mar 14 2005, 09:06 AM) Student, I think there's something here. It just needs a good group of people that are honest and see the vision. [right][snapback]183293[/snapback][/right] I fit both descriptions 
Maybe you could team up with ASFx and TheMobileHookup and a couple of other good people here and start a good, genuine, honest MoneyMaker? One where truly 'no one is left behind"!
Good idea??? 
QUOTE(angelboy @ Mar 14 2005, 10:48 AM) Maybe you could team up with ASFx and TheMobileHookup and a couple of other good people here and start a good, genuine, honest MoneyMaker? One where truly 'no one is left behind"! Good idea??? [right][snapback]183457[/snapback][/right] Great Idea, the only thing is I'm pretty much a newbie to all of these money making programs, investments, businesses (what ever you want to call them [ponzi's]). Only got in them last Dec. My first 3 yrs. online was going through a MLM "learning curve" lol. Wish I had the thousands I spent in "educating" myself. 
I always thought it would be interesting to run some sort of program, but that's not gonna happen any time soon. There's just way too much risk involved and I don't want half of MMG hating me once the program dies
Think I have enough headaches as it is and I'm actually trying to do something good for the members. Sometimes I wonder if I should roll out of bed to read the insults and hate mail.
CODE You would loose money if you try to be honest in a business. Try to to be much more selfish dont agree with you ,becoz you will lose at the end if you come selfish 
QUOTE(ASFx @ Mar 14 2005, 03:03 PM) I always thought it would be interesting to run some sort of program, but that's not gonna happen any time soon. There's just way too much risk involved and I don't want half of MMG hating me once the program dies [right][snapback]184195[/snapback][/right] Way too much risk? Life's a risk - nobody's getting out alive  I think the vision that Angelboy is talking about is creating another program similar to ST (or a PTR). Something that'll last for years. So the ones in MMG that weren't smart enough to be in profit in the 1st couple of yrs.... SO WHAT?? shame on them, not you. QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Mar 14 2005, 04:11 PM) Think I have enough headaches as it is and I'm actually trying to do something good for the members. Sometimes I wonder if I should roll out of bed to read the insults and hate mail. [right][snapback]184311[/snapback][/right] I was close to getting in to TPS, did manage to get in PRC. Anyway... I like how both programs are being handled. As far as I'm concerned, neither you or PRC owes the members anything (however I will be thankful, when I'm paid ) I can't understand how people can be pissed off, when everything's spelled out for them before they make their purchases. These people IMO, just don't know the word "responsibility". As far as the insults and hate mail are concerned, don't you know where the delete button is? 
QUOTE(shery @ Mar 14 2005, 04:16 PM) CODE You would loose money if you try to be honest in a business. Try to to be much more selfish dont agree with you ,becoz you will lose at the end if you come selfish [right][snapback]184315[/snapback][/right] I've been watching your program too. Would like to get in, but don't use Egold (& with all the acct.'s being hacked, don't really want to). Sorry, back to topic. What do you think Angelboy? I think we have 3 honest admin. right here in a row Now how do we persuade them to create the next BIG win-win situation? 
QUOTE(woohooo @ Mar 11 2005, 04:06 PM) No one is interested to reply your post. Even you have a very few views, lol. You would loose money if you try to be honest in a business. Try to to be much more selfish, don't trust others, don't help others, try to confuse others. That should be your lessons before coming into professional fields. People like me a genius. Honestly I'm not interested to say lie to anyone. I'm trying to be honest from the begining. If I earn money or not. I love God's most amazing creation, human. Anyway, you should understand NO program here on the net can run forever. It must die one day. No one knows when, but it will. I suggest you, don't spend money over net. Online business is very very risky!!! Stop your breath for 3 minites. If you get successful, you will realise that you have such confidence to play in this virtual world. [right][snapback]179367[/snapback][/right] WTF is all I have to say. QUOTE(Student @ Mar 15 2005, 02:38 AM) I've been watching your program too. Would like to get in, but don't use Egold (& with all the acct.'s being hacked, don't really want to). Sorry, back to topic. What do you think Angelboy? I think we have 3 honest admin. right here in a row Now how do we persuade them to create the next BIG win-win situation? [right][snapback]184663[/snapback][/right] Accounts are not beeing hacked, people who get hacked have bad security on their computer or simply dont know how to keep their passwords for themselves. Either by using the same password everywhere or by clicking on bogus emails. edit: Keyloggers, spyware ETC Want proof? The level of security is the SAME for ALL e-gold accounts. Why would a hacker bother hacking a 80$ account when they could hack the 200K accounts? There is a place on egold that you can actually see public balances, so the hackers KNOW which accounts have the more money. 200K accounts never get hacked, you know why? Their PC is properly secured, and they know not to write the same password everywhere they see a password field. Five QUOTE(fivebucks @ Mar 15 2005, 10:12 AM) Accounts are not beeing hacked, people who get hacked have bad security on their computer or simply dont know how to keep their passwords for themselves. Either by using the same password everywhere or by clicking on bogus emails. edit: Keyloggers, spyware ETC Want proof? The level of security is the SAME for ALL e-gold accounts. Why would a hacker bother hacking a 80$ account when they could hack the 200K accounts? There is a place on egold that you can actually see public balances, so the hackers KNOW which accounts have the more money. 200K accounts never get hacked, you know why? Their PC is properly secured, and they know not to write the same password everywhere they see a password field. Five [right][snapback]184817[/snapback][/right] Actually, Midas states that he got hacked for 200K (see the RM thread)
QUOTE(flower @ Mar 15 2005, 06:19 AM) Actually, Midas states that he got hacked for 200K (see the RM thread)[right][snapback]184921[/snapback][/right] Yeah.... QUOTE(Student @ Mar 15 2005, 12:38 AM) Sorry, back to topic. What do you think Angelboy? I think we have 3 honest admin. right here in a row Now how do we persuade them to create the next BIG win-win situation? [right][snapback]184663[/snapback][/right] Student, we' re making good progress. The first post said that no one was interested and no one was reading this. I just looked and there were 33 replies with 465 hits. We at least have their attention. Remember Student, Rome wasn't build in one day and I'm Italian, having lived not far from Rome, so I should know. The wheels are in motion. And if we have a good idea, nothing can stop it. Catch the wave, cause surfin and earnin is the way to go. I've lost money in cycllers, randomizers, scammers, doublers (honest and dishonest), triplers, ects. I'm also a good student. I know a good education is expensive and I've paid all my tuitions (maybe even overpaid). Now it's time for the pay-off. ASFx is my sponsor in Studio Traffic. I've been a member here for some time. He's as trustworthy as they come. I've no idea who my sponsor in 4daily is, but they are both making money in those programs and from me. And they will continue to do so as long as they last. TheMobileHookup is as honest as they come. And I'm sure they know other reliable, trustworthy people that could work on a great surfing program. One that could last a long time as their is no shortage of money in adverising. Why not go after it? There's the future of online businesses. Somebody is going to build the better mousetrap. Why not us??? And who says you can't make an honest buck without hurting others. Angels don't say that!!! We've only just begun!!!
QUOTE(angelboy @ Mar 15 2005, 09:47 AM) Student, we' re making good progress. The first post said that no one was interested and no one was reading this. I just looked and there were 33 replies with 465 hits. We at least have their attention. Remember Student, Rome wasn't build in one day and I'm Italian, having lived not far from Rome, so I should know. The wheels are in motion. And if we have a good idea, nothing can stop it. Catch the wave, cause surfin and earnin is the way to go. I've lost money in cycllers, randomizers, scammers, doublers (honest and dishonest), triplers, ects. I'm also a good student. I know a good education is expensive and I've paid all my tuitions (maybe even overpaid). Now it's time for the pay-off. ASFx is my sponsor in Studio Traffic. I've been a member here for some time. He's as trustworthy as they come. I've no idea who my sponsor in 4daily is, but they are both making money in those programs and from me. And they will continue to do so as long as they last. TheMobileHookup is as honest as they come. And I'm sure they know other reliable, trustworthy people that could work on a great surfing program. One that could last a long time as their is no shortage of money in adverising. Why not go after it? There's the future of online businesses. Somebody is going to build the better mousetrap. Why not us??? And who says you can't make an honest buck without hurting others. Angels don't say that!!! We've only just begun!!! [right][snapback]185056[/snapback][/right] You guys really are persistent...have you thought of working for the IRS or a collection agency?
QUOTE(flower @ Mar 15 2005, 03:19 AM) Actually, Midas states that he got hacked for 200K (see the RM thread)[right][snapback]184921[/snapback][/right] Then why on earth does he not get a court order and retrieve it? Standard procedure with e-gold. QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Mar 15 2005, 11:17 AM) You guys really are persistent...have you thought of working for the IRS or a collection agency? [right][snapback]185165[/snapback][/right] QUOTE(Marlena @ Mar 15 2005, 02:04 PM) Then why on earth does he not get a court order and retrieve it? Standard procedure with e-gold. [right][snapback]185228[/snapback][/right] Word. It's actually not that hard to do, especially when you have 200K
Looks like surfing programs are hot, especially with PIN entering the arena.
QUOTE(Marlena @ Mar 15 2005, 10:04 AM) Then why on earth does he not get a court order and retrieve it? Standard procedure with e-gold. [right][snapback]185228[/snapback][/right] Because he's lying? Why the hell would he have had 200K in egold anyway? That prog doesn't take in that kind of money. I believe this story like I do that his real name is *Midas* NUK
everyone here is losing money, because time is money
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