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FinallyRetire
Found this over on the ITS forum,

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Here is a more indepth article on how Digital Currencies will be affected by The Patriot Act II.  This was taken from The Gold Economy Magazine - http://www.goldeconomy.com/ .... August 1, 2004.  "Operated from US soil" is an important point to consider when speculating on what will become of digital currencies.

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PATRIOT II and its Effect on Digital Currency Systems

Patriot II was a proposed bill that was leaked to the press before it left the Senate Finance Committee. Public outcry resulted in the bill beingquashed, however key elements have apparently been inserted into other bills.

On December 13th, the day that Saddam Hussein was captured, President Bush quietly signed the "Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004" into law. Hidden inside that bill was a sweeping expansion of erosion of liberty initiated by the USA PATRIOT ACT. In order to obtain financial records, law enforcement agencies are no longer required to obtain a subpoena signed by a judge or a grand jury. As of January 1st, the FBI, IRS and other agencies can simply present a financial institution with a "national security letter" in order to obtain copies of financial records without the knowledge of the "target" of the investigation. Law enforcement agencies can also share data so obtained with one another. The United States is now a society where the secret police have effectively unlimited powers of investigation and surveillance upon the citizenry.

The most significant change in the law for the digital currencyindustry was the amendment to the definition of "financial institution" in the Financial Privacy Act to be the same as the definition of "financial institution" in the Money Laundering Act. The USA PATRIOT Act redefined the Money Laundering Act so that financial institutions include bullion dealers, credit card issuers, car dealerships,jewelers, casinos and virtually any business that extends consumer credit or trades in highly liquid commodities like diamonds, gold, cash and automobiles.

Specifically, digital gold currencies would appear to be covered under the definition of "financial agency" in the Money Laundering Act:

    "financial agency" means a person acting for a person(except for a country, a monetary or financial authority acting as a monetary or financial authority,or an international financialinstitution of which the United States Government is a member) as a financial institution, bailee, depository trustee, or agent, or acting in a similar way related to money, credit, securities, gold, or a transaction in money, credit, securities, or gold. (Title 31, Sec. 5312, a, 1)

Under the new definitions, bullion dealers and internet gold currency systems domiciled or operated in the United States are required to identify their customers, keep records of all transactions, and provide copies of the records on request via a "national security letter" without notifying the account holder that he is under investigation or that his records have been released to the government.

The immediate implications of this law are that all digital currency systems that transfer value in fiat currency or gold and are domiciled or operated from the United States are effectively roped into the US financial surveillance system. However, the infrastructure has not yet been put in place to allow law enforcement instant real-time access to records as they currently have with banks.

Specifics of the New Regime

- Rewards for Informants

Some provisions of the new laws call to mind the Soviet Union under the KGB. The Secretary of Treasury may pay a 25% reward to informants of suspicious money transaction with a maximum reward of $150,000.

- Required Record Keeping ofTransactions with Foreign Agencies

Not only must every company in the industry "know its customer" but all persons doing business in the USA must keep and report the following records for all transactions involving a person with a relationship with a foreign agency: 1) the identity and address of participants in a transaction or relationship, 2) the legal capacity in which a participant is acting. 3) the identity of real parties in interest. 4) a description of the transaction.

Since virtually all digital currency exchange transactions involve a "foreign agency" this law requires US currency exchange agencies to keep the above records for every transaction.

- Registration with FINCEN

Any money transmitting business operated in the United States must register with FINCEN within 180 days of opening for business. Failure to do can result in a fine of $5000 per day.

The Silver Loophole

Strangely enough the definition seems to have been written toinclude digital gold currency systems, but not digital silver. Whether the courts would treat this as a loophole or as the same thing remains to be seen. Currently Mobile Silver is the only digital silver currency that doesn't have a gold counterpart.

Operating Costs

The most significant problem for U.S. digital currency companies and exchange providers is that the new regulations require the affected businesses to record the identity of every customer for everytransaction, no matter how small. For digital currency companies the cost of verifying the identity of new account holders is a substantial operating expense. More importantly, requiring proof if identity for opening new accounts is a substantial barrier to acquiring new customers, which gives an advantage to digital currency issuers and exchange providers that are operated outside the United States and do not require proof of identity in order to open an account.

Affected Institutions

The following digital currency systems are operated from US soil and appear to fall under the new regulations: e-gold, e-Bullion, Norfed/Liberty Dollar, INTGold, PayPal and EMOCorp. Crowne-Gold is operated from Nevis but has some or all of its gold stored in the USA, so it is unclear whether that company falls under the new US regulations. Any digital currency exchange provider operated in the United States or by a US person would also appear to fall under the new regulations.

Therefore any user of these systems should bear in mind that US law enforcement agencies including the FBI, IRS, CIA, ATF, DEA and others may have access to your account data at any time without your knowledge or consent. Given the recent increase of federal prosecutionsusing "structuring" as a crime in and of itself, with no associated criminal acts, this places most honest account-holders at risk of federal felony charges if a series of transactions adding up to $10,000 in value is completed without filing the appropriate currency transaction report form. (It appears Rush Limbaugh is being prosecuted for this.)

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Regards,

Wu Wei
Radmax
They have been working to pass the patriot act II for well over a year now, its not gonna happen. They've tried to pass it in so many forms and slip it in as a rider on so many bills, it gets axed every time.
Kenny
QUOTE(Radmax86 @ Feb 9 2005, 02:32 AM)
They have been working to pass the patriot act II for well over a year now, its not gonna happen. They've tried to pass it in so many forms and slip it in as a rider on so many bills, it gets axed every time.
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doesnt matter if they pass the Patroit act in full or not. IF they slide in some key points of it other bills and do so quietly. This is total invasion of privacy and its time for people to react to this. This is OUR country and OUR GOVT. We the people HAVE a say so and its time to speak out. The govt always uses the idea of "protecting" the people. OR The "cost of freedom" as an excuse. With stricter federal regulations one has to wonder what freedoms we will have left in 20 years. Act now ...
TheMobileHookup
They watch everything you do whether people like to know that or not so don't think an "Act" is needed. They just don't act on anything without reason. The debit cards and all that, they track it. e-Gold, they know who's sent big chunks in and out.

Last time I checked, the cost of freedom wasn't slavery and big brother watching you... dry.gif
unclejesse
Keep in mind that they must present companies like Intgold with a "national security letter". They must have a reason to investigate you (ie: think you are aiding terrorists). Even if they are keeping an eye on everyone, a good judge will ask them the reason why they started investigating you in the first place.

As long as you aren't sending money to the middle east, I don't think any of us need to be too concerned with this.

Just my opinion.
Radmax
Kenny, you are right, if they somehow do manage to get the KEY points passed, there is no doubt that they would be such an invasion of privacy that they would be unconstitutional - even with an extremely conservative supreme court that we will be seeing within the next 4 years. That said, I really dont think these will be passed. By my understanding, the patriot Act II was actually written by wolfowitz at the same time he did the first one, but it is so extreme that they probably wouldnt have been able to get it through even in the time shortly after 9/11.

Most likely they are going to continue passing smaller legislation every few years to keep tightening down on the ways to hide and launder money, similar to what they are doing with abortion.
RollinHigh
if you read the declaration of independence you will see that the people control the government and if the people don't like the government or the governing bodies we are allowed to abolish them.... go read it ! its there smile.gif
ASFx
QUOTE(RollinHigh @ Feb 9 2005, 02:00 PM)
if you read the declaration of independence you will see that the people control the government and if the people don't like the government or the governing bodies we are allowed to abolish them.... go read it ! its there smile.gif
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Then lets hurry up and abolish the government so we can stop sending our verification documents to intgold repeatedly.
RollinHigh
do you know how? lol
TheMobileHookup
Attica! Attica!
Kenny
so are we all just talking? OR did someone call thier local senator?
free_money
jigga i am a senator!
RollinHigh
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free_money Posted Today, 07:42 PM
  jigga i am a senator!


of what? haha..... dem girls in disney world?
muscle_girl
I have sent emails through the ACLU website.

You do know that the US has been under Marshall Law since...(can't remember but it's a long time) it was never revoked after one of the wars and because it was never brought back it DOESN'T matter what the people think or what the Congress does because Marshall Law is still technically what is governing the US.

Will have to look that up again and let you all know.

We must find ways to gain sovereignty on an individual basis.
teejay
[quote=FinallyRetire,Feb 9 2005, 12:49 AM]
Found this over on the ITS forum,
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Part of Wu's posting said "The following digital currency systems are operated from US soil and appear to fall under the new regulations: e-gold, e-Bullion, Norfed/Liberty Dollar, INTGold, PayPal and EMOCorp. Crowne-Gold is operated from Nevis but has some or all of its gold stored in the USA, so it is unclear whether that company falls under the new US regulations. Any digital currency exchange provider operated in the United States or by a US person would also appear to fall under the new regulations.

Therefore any user of these systems should bear in mind that US law enforcement agencies including the FBI, IRS, CIA, ATF, DEA and others may have access to your account data at any time without your knowledge or consent. Given the recent increase of federal prosecutionsusing "structuring" as a crime in and of itself, with no associated criminal acts, this places most honest account-holders at risk of federal felony charges if a series of transactions adding up to $10,000 in value is completed without filing the appropriate currency transaction report form. (It appears Rush Limbaugh is being prosecuted for this.)"

What's a a currency transaction report form? And where do you get it? Shouldn't the digital currency company be the one to tell the account holder that such a form is needed?
Archangel
Uncle Jesse, I think you're dead wrong.

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They must have a reason to investigate you


The MUST present the letter. It would be nice to think they need a reason to do that, but the current state of the US government makes me think that that's wishful thinking. They could decide to check you out simply because your surname happens to match one of those on an international watchlist (to pull an example from another thread). That means that the first terrorist to claim to be 'Mr. Smith' makes everyone named Smith a target for investigation.

....and THAT only covers semi-reasonable assumptions. For all you know, some random ******* in some bureau might decide that he's going to investigate whoever he finds opening a phone book to a random page and pointing with his eyes closed because he's bored, and since that random target isn't entitled to even be made AWARE that he's being investigated, there's nothing really to stop the ******* from doing it. He could do that every day and not find anyone suspicious, or he could decide to freeze their assets because their high school colors were green and orange and he things that that's an ugly combo. That person would probably be cleared, EVENTUALLY, but their life would still get F****D first.
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