So , im sitting here, looking at all the hyips that pop up every day , and i notice one thing about them.

About 90% of them are all the same, The majority use the goldcoders script, and then all they do is chage the Template on it.

The plans variate between hourly, to daily.

The ROI are between 110% and 200% on average.


And yet despite their many similarities, some of them get more deposits then others???

You'll see 2 sites with different names same goldcoders, different template, same plans, Yet one will do better then the other.
What makes people deposit in one and not the other?

It certainly isn't the site, as they look the same, it isnt the plan since they are the same, it isnt that the admin is a long time member of mmg forum,
Because everytime a new hyip opens up, a new username is created and starts out at 0 posts.

Then you have the people that dont invest, because the ROI is to low, and then other because its to high.
What exactly is supposed to be a good ROI??????

You have to understand that it is no just a bunch of admins independently starting programs and offering them to us investors. In most cases, admins have paid people to post 'invested/paid' comments and hack statistics; or a group of scammers ban together to achieve a similar effect.

This in turn encourages real investors as they develop a false sense of security, and so things progress..

It is never as it seems.

I dunno. [/color][color=white]

Well then why post?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I think that perhaps your statement may not be far from the truth.

Your take on the matter may explain why some sites are favored over others dispite the smiliarities between most hyips.

Any other thoughts on the matter, please post

i also dont understand the thing why members are investing there where they know is scam?

like i am launching my hyip with new idea, unique and ofcourse with custom made script but the thread of my hyip is not going good like others.

i just saw someone thread which started today 2, 3 hours ago and 3 pages already and mine only 4 pages in 36 hours

also he is offering the same B.S in his hyip with the old gold coder script.

huh i don't know ....

It's all greed. I mean why put your money in ING or a GIC for 3% a year when these sites are offering way more?

Personally, I prefer to have my money safe, in an insured bank....but HYIP's are sort of like playing the lottery. If you get paid, you get a nice return. In the end, I'd say 99.99% of them are just ponzi's. Show me a HYIP or autosurf site that has full documentation on where the income is coming from and I'm in.

PIU does, NSFG does... You will find a few if you look hard enough, and stay away from mainstream HYIPs.

maybe interest,maybe othter thing.

I just want to tell why some success and some not.

SCAMMERS success WHY? Because they create fake accounts and add money to it (fake money) so the statistics are WOW!! 5k in the first 10 minutes then people says : "Wow a lot of money NO LOSE!"

I'm really bored to see people said "This hyip is honest, admin is honest" How the hell they know that is honest? They are behind the "Admin" pc? Why calling a kid an admin?

People are (sorry for the word) but STUPID! invest in any +50 pure spam pages and then puff got scammed!

then the admin came "Oh I need your help! I have XXXX amount of egold and can't pay to everyone what should I do!" the same old tactic from years ago!

That is sad but true! I think this should be controled.

i agree with you all....

Greed is the chief reason why people invest in HYIPs.

I can say not just Greed is the chief reason also STUPIDITY !

The reason why people invest in HYIPs and other financial scams is because they have some need. The need could be for money itself - greed - or for anything that can be obtained with the money - products, services, luxury items, symbols of power and success, other peoples' affections, you name it. HYIP admins are professional con artists who are good at exploiting those needs people have.

So here is my story,
After investing in alot of these HYIP's and loseing alot of money (not because i got in to late, simply because the admin would never even payout)
I said to myself, Let me try and create a hyip , and run it the best I could.

So I go ahead and listen and read to what people like and dislike about all the current hyip's and , I try to design my hyip catering to these posts that I read on various threads.

First off, I state clearly, I dont invest in any forex or any othre B.S, I state its just a game. Let everyone know I will stop the game once deposit to withdrawls ratio reached 90%

Second, I created a hyip with no script, I did this to prevent alll the "hacking" that admin claims happens to their sites and thats why they close (so they say). So with my no script hyip, It offered more security, since also all information was tracked through e-gold and through my backup files on my harddrive. In case their was ever a ddos attack, or the server was down, people didnt have to worry about payouts, since I would still be able to carry things out, regardless of what ever happened.

Also I designed the site myself, since people complained about how eveyone uses the same goldcoders rehased template, my Site was unique and totally different from the same templats that get reused over and over again.

Next, I see that people complain when payouts are too low or when they are to high. They also complain about how sites end to soon. So what did I do, well I did the math best I could , and came up with 4 plans that would be reasonable in % returned, and that would be fair to all who deposited regardless of the plan they choose. And plans that wouldnt make the site go down in one day.

Next I offered all the support I could , I was online for 12+ a day, I was available by email, forum, and AIM.

So, launch date comes, finally after hours of work the site is up and ready to go.

And lo and behold , NO deposits, extremly slow start. Despite the fact that I offered referral bonus, offered special bonus to first 50depositors. Actually sent out some payments early to gain confidense from some people. No matter what I did, nothing seemed to work. My thread got tons , tons of views, and nothing.

In 48hours only a little over $100 were deposited, and yet I was watching other same rehased goldcoders, making $400buks in like 3 hours. Every single site, in a few hours , people posting on their threads. And yet my site still suffered.

After 48 hours, I closed the site, I refunded evey single cent back to the few who deposited. ( I thought it would be unfair to pay only a few and not others, with such few deposits)
I try to relaunch the site and start at 0 agian, Same thing happens twice, a few buks get deposited, and I refund all that back too.

So now I continue to watch the hyips that currently go up all the time, and all I can say to myself, is WTF is this BS. Needless to say something smells fishy.......

ExoticRacing, how did you plan on financing payouts? Or were you just going to use new deposits to payout? (ie a ponzi)

this year I could find only few good looking places to invest... last year at this time there was 10x more... its going worse with every month.

to ExoticRacing,
and what did you expect?
just to design "orginal" site, which even dont offer any account/login/statistic option
say, you run ponzi game, will clouse after debit reach 90%
just announce in forum

then sit and wait... two days passed bah, no thausands, oh... so now its investors foult that they somehow (as i see you have no idea why) didnt chose your HYIP from the list of 10s others which lounched that same day.

I experienced this firsthand. If you notice the hyip "hoppin hyip" (in the scams folder ), the admin actually offered me money to post whatever he wanted me to. I had pmed him asking him a quesiton about his program and he replied with an offer which had nothing to do with what I was asking him to answer. Of course, the temptation of money was there, but I quickly reported him to every mod on this board and sooner than later he was banned and his program was in the scam folder.

So, although a lot of people do this, also remember we have the power to stop it.

Umm..... lets see, how does every single other hyip that launches , how do they do it ah yes.

Here are the steps, Take goldcoder script (sometimes aj script or a variation of either one), add rehased template, or sometimes an "original". Change plans to what ever they please, then sit back and see people invest. Ummm...... yeah thats how all of them run, sienfeld hyip, terminatorhyip, bustabank, spongebob, manualhyip, burningprofits, 2 christian traders, etc. etc.etc. all the same

As for why you didn't invest in the hyip I created, Are you saying because you didnt have the ability to "create an account, and have to login everytime you went to see the site" because of this reason you skipped over my hyip?

Ok , first off, in order to do this , I would need to create a script. This would have defeated the whole purpose of creating a hyip with no script.
Second, exactly what benefit do you gain from haveing an account to login? Other than , checking your account to see if your plan had matured yet, and then once it had matured make a request so the admin could pay you.

With my hyip if you wanted to know if your investment had matured, all you needed to do was check your e-gold account and see what time you had deposited into the hyip account. If it would have been 24hours since your deposit, then obviously it ment that your deposit had matured.
Next You didn't need to make a request with my hyip, why? Because I constantly checked the database that I kept, and when I saw that it was time for you to receive your payment, I would automatically send it out to you without you needing to request it. In fact You would sometimes have receive your payment early.

And Yes I did have a statistic option, I had a STAT's box that I updated constantly with deposits and withdrawls, And I had a LINK to INDIVIDUAL STATISTICS, Where you could have seen WHO deposited into the site, How many depositors there were in the program, how much they had deposited, when and what time the deposit was made, and how much they had been paid to date.

All these things I did manually, As I clearly stated, where there would be no "my goldcoderscript got hacked BS" because there was no script to hack. There would be no "I cant make payouts because site is down because server is down and all information is in site" because all the information was backed up in my HARDDRIVE allowing me to make payments even if the Server was down.

So in conclusion, running a hyip with no script and one with a script are basicly the same. Only difference is one is updated manually , which I do all the work(stats etc.) and the other is updated automatically , where the hyip script does all the work(remember even sites with scripts usually make payouts manually, you still have to make request for your payouts, Admins they usually dont let the hyip pay out automatically, they claim it is to prevent hackers from paying themselves).

What makes a hyip is its admin, But if you are so bent on "only" depositing into hyips that used a goldcoderscript and template. Well , I acutally have a goldcoderssript (which I had chosen not to originally use)But If I decide to put up a hyip with this goldcoder script, I will make sure to send you a pm so you can deposit in it, since creating an account and loging in, and haveing to request your payments, seems to be something you are more inclined to do.

No script hyip (manual) , or a scripted hyip. There is no difference other than the fact that one is all done manually and the other is done automatic.
All this means, is that an admin running a hyip with a script, can probably run 5 hyips maybe more at the same time. Since the hyip script does all the work.

An admin running a site with no script, can probably/maybe run up to 2 (depending on the time they have available)hyips at the same time. Because all the updates would be done manually and this would take time.

You shouldn't base your confidense in a HYIP strictly on the fact that you can create an "account, and can login to your own little section".

In reality this doesn't mean Jack Shiz, anyone can easly put up a hyip with a goldcoders script (which allows you the ability to "create account""login"), have the site run for 24 hours, and have people invest, Then after only 24hours can easly shut down the site, take it off the server , take your money without making 1 damn payout. And scam people.

Trust me when I tell you that , giveing you the ability to create an account, does not give you any sort of a gaurantee, that you will not be scammed. What it appartly does to you specifically is "give you a false sense of security".
I myself have had the experience of depositing into hyips (brand new ones that just started), that allow me to create an account, then I expected my payment within 24hours, and guess what, 24 hours go by and I dont have a damn penny, and the admin doen't make a single payment to anyone at all.

"But people deposited into the site, but people got paid referrals, but I got to create an account,but the stats get updated automatically", but the hyip is useing a script" NONE of these things matter, If an admins sole purpose is to scam you , he will do it regardless of weather the site is scripted, or unscripted.

So this statement that you made as to why you didnt deposit into the particular site you mention, Is really a rediculus reason as to why not to invest.

Of course, but in most cases the people posting positive feed-back are personally affiliated with the admin from the very beginning. Also, I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't be quite so morally upright like yourself and would buckle for a relatively small bribe.

Once again, I am inclined to believe that this is what probably happens in most hyips, and your right some people would probably not be morrally inclined to report this type of thing.

I think Hyip is a game ,almost scam hyips end at percentage <80% .In the rule they dont say this is a Hyip game ,but actually they're really a game.And almost members try to search la good hyip (that mean they dont scam at the first day or so) and they get in early.So you can see at the beginning days ,many ppl invest much.
Another ideas ?

where did you read that im depositing in GC tepmlate sites? Im NOT investing in unprofessional programs (that include 99% of GC sites).
"What makes a hyip is its admin" thats right. Thats how admin design, advertise and manage HYIP is very important and says a lot about admin's ability to run successful HYIP. I better chose professionaly made programs, so i wouldnt have to worry about program clousing in two days cause admin didnt got thausands deposited.


you misunderstood me.
I mean that OP meaning of "orginal" site is just not to use GC script but setup simple site. how much does it cost? - nothing or at most few $.
in other words his "orginal" program was one level below GC programs (cause from newbies side of view GC looks more professional).

If he would create complicated scripts, orginal content, professional design... that would require a lot of time and work and probably thausands of $. So then he could expect appreciation.

So let me understand this correctly, Somehow my site is somehow 1 level below a GC program. So in other words, If I used my $5dollar GC script, and my $2 dollar temlate (which I have), That would have been more professional???

As for using "complicated scripts", Once again I state, I choose not to use a scipted hyip, If I had I could have used the GC that I have, or have gotten an AJ script for another $5buks.

"professional design" Ok so somehow the design of my site, was "not" as good as a GC $2 dollar template.
Apprantly you think that putting the site together, did not take me any time whatsover.

And second you state that ithe site should have cost me thousands of dollars, in order for people to appriciate it?

Umm..... Ok let me see, while I admit that I can put a site together and make it look nice, I am no where near an expert. (however it did take me a lot longer with my site, then it does to put up a GC site)

However A personal friend of mine is a as you say "Professional", In fact he designs WebSites for a living. He has a 9-5 job that he does everyday, And he allso Freelances on the side.
Now if you went ahead, and hired his services you would expect to pay somewhere along the lines of $2-5grand for a website. (im talking the works)
And that would be just for the site alone, That would not include the programming.

So, If I ask my friend to desgin a HYIP for me, Would you then consider it a professional site?(of course I wouldnt be paying much of anything because I'm sure he would to the site for me for free, or he'ed do it for a movie ticket)

Of course the site he would make would not be one of his site with all the works.(My friend can create a site just like this http://dropstars.com/) thas not his site, but eveything in their he can do.
Of course it would be pointless to create an HYIP like that , that would take a really really long time to create, for a HYIP that would only last for a couple of days, maybe a week or 2.

Sorry dude, but for you to tell me that a $5buk GC, or AJ script is more professional is just funny. In fact, Im pretty sure that admins that use these scipts are probably running more than one HYIP at the same time.
How can they do this you say? Simple, Once you know how to put one ot these GC, AJ hyips up, you should be able to do it in under 1HOUR

So how the hell is that a professional site, something that you can have in less than an HOUR?????? And will cost you $7buks (and those $7buks is just a 1 time fee, since after you have it you can use it as many times as you want)

i'll vouch for you dude, it takes massive amounts of time to design a website, yet people dont understand the work involved. And people know now that goldcoders scripts suck, so you are right on the money with that too.

Im glad you understand how much time it takes to design a website,

Thanks for the post Sheriff ( I read your other thread lol, good job by the way)