Hi,


I am just curious, if you believe in magic.

And if you had/ have any experiences with it....

plz let me know.


I do believe in magic, but I haven't any experience with it, just read from books and the net.

thx in advance, Mel

I didn't believe in Magic. All magic are basically some trick to make you believe the existence of Magic?

I believe that Jason is really a robot, and that MMG was actually created by google to eat advertising revenue.

Of course magic is real, you can interpret it in many ways, but it happens?

I have spent a considerable amount of time with the Aboriginal tribes in Far, Far, North Queensland, where the laws of nature dictate they're every move.
I have been lucky enough to see and hear things that I would never repeat, unless well lubricated with wine in the company of trusted friends.

These are not my stories to tell, but belong to other people of another culture, and as I intend to live a bit longer, it would be inappropriate to tell.
Anyway the power of the stories is not in the telling, but in the experience.

Pete

That debends on the definition of Magics.

There are many happenings in life you could call magic and those things
have nothing to do with trickery or the kind. They just leave you your
mouth open to wonder how this is possible.

Life would be boring if there were never any magic around

that depends.
if you believe in god, you'll believe in magic. otherwise you don't believe magic.

When I'am able to turn a frog into a beautiful blonde buxon I will believe.

Experiencing a Near Death Experience, does this count as magic??

Bali

hmmm, hard to decide, I don't know

but thx for all your answers....

magic can be everything, that's true.

But I wonder, if somone has experiences with white and black magic

I'm going to have to simply give no as my answer.

hmmmm, these "no" answer are too simple for me....

there must be more than we are able to see, that's sure for me

hmmm...... I dont really know

I mean crazy shiz happens all the time, and it makes you wonder about magic.

Iv seen some magicians do some crazy stuff, which I knew if it was real or not,

Damn, the not knowing kills me

I agree completely with you Melle.

There are a lot of things in this world that we cannot explain.

I have had a lot of experiences in my life that I do not talk about except to my closest friend, because
people would think I was crazy. I used to get scared when I was younger,but these days I just accept
it, and believe one day i will understand it all.

I wouldn't call it Magic, but it certainly is strange and inexplicable.

Cheryl

how kind your believe in God related in Magic ???

I think magic and miricals are 2 different things

i dont believe in magic, only in my work

So many posts I would like to quote and respond to, so I will just lump everything together... *lol*

This really does depend on your definition (as others have said). My definitions:

Magic: "Magic tricks" and party (or parlor) tricks - illusions. David Copperfield and Houdini type stuff, etc.

Magick: (spelled differently to differentiate between the two) The best definition I have ever heard is:
"Magick is the science and art of causing change (in consciousness) to occur in conformity with will, using means not currently understood by traditional Western science."
This is focused intent and emotion, and as I understand it, is the exact same thing as prayer - different words for the same "miracle (which is really not un-natural at all - you are simply conversing with and coming to an understanding with God)." Magick is not supernatural or evil, and neither are those who practice it. It is not "of the devil." It is the understanding of energy, of life, of God/The One (by whatever name you know him/her - the divine energy of the universe) and the fact that life IS ENERGY. There is no such thing as solid matter - everything is, at its very core, all energy and vibration - people, plants, planets, things, galaxies, sound, light, brainwaves, even consciousness itself. Magick is the art of directing energy on the subconscious level to affect change in our conscious "reality."

This is why, to me, magick is neither white/good nor black/evil, because life is neither good nor evil, and energy is just that - energy. Is it what we make of it, and the energy that we add to the universe changes our realities just as much as those around us. Magick becomes black or white because of the practitioner. This is where morals come in, as they do in any other aspect of life. One thing most witches believe in is the Law of 3 -- That which you send out comes back to you threefold (some interpret this literally. I do not - I see it as a generallity). Same thing as the law of Karma, and the Golden Rule - do to others as you would have others do unto you.

I do not just believe in magic - I know and experience it. Yes, I have experienced bad/negative magick and energy - both from others, as well as from within myself, before I realized what I was doing and really understood everything I just said. Now, magick is a part of my everyday life. It is not elaborate or intense, most of the time, and I try to incorporate it through simple things - visualizations, prayers, colors, thoughts, words, simple changes in my behavior and my state of mind, in my work, when I write, when I sing, when I cook, when I garden, when I meditate........... All of life is full of magick, if you will let it be, and everything you do and think affects EVERYTHING around you, no matter how slightly! If you doubt this, just try it. Go out of your way to be kind and smile on a day when you are feeling angry or upset about something (I am NOT saying to ignore that feeling - just to transform it), and to help someone in need. See if it does not change both your outlook, as well as that of the one you helped when you did not need to.

I have also experienced some very crazy, unexplainable things, especially when I was little, and I started researching spirituality and magic/magick when I was about 12 (more than 10 years ago... scary. *lol*). I was lucky to have had a mom I could talk to about these things, who encouraged my search. She was raised as a Baptist, and my Dad was raised as a Catholic (so, yes, this definitely freaked him out at first), and I am so thankful that they had the insight to allow me and my siblings the freedom to find what was right for US. Not all paths will be right for everyone, and there is no one path to the divine.

NEwayz. I am done... and thanks for the humor, y'all - after so long of defending my beliefs at first, and then learning, finally, that I neither need nor WANT to defend myself, only to explain and help those who ask... We all just need a good laugh now and then!!!

I hope this has helped, Mel.

Peace out...

*stepping down from soapbox*

Yes, you are right. We always call some unexplainable thing as "Magic". If that's the definition, then I have no choice but to believe that's magic too. What I didn't believe is that magic presented by Magician on the stake.

um....why wouldn't I believe in magic johnson?

i've seen it and i believe it..

Not kind of card magic or trick magic or something like that but its kind of black and white magic

Thanks for all answers here

it is interesting to hear such experiences...

I wish, I would have some with magic too, I love that topic


@quasininja:

many thanks for your answer, very interesting indeed

I do believe in magic too, though I've never felt it, like white or black magic....well not that I know

Good point. Better work hard to achieve your aims than to wait for a miracle

well, i don't wait for miracles.....


but the combination of the both components would be perfect

We are not alone in the world. Believing and seeing is not difficult, once you open yourself to it, right? Now, our job is to help others to understand that and to open themselves, as well....



You are most welcome. This is a subject that I obviously do not shy away from! *lol*
The thing is, you DO experience magick, every day, and have most likely felt it woithout realizing it - it is in the air you breathe, the people around you, your own thoughts, fears, and emotions. It is in you. Magick is energy itself. You need only to learn how to harness your own power and to feel it. I didn't say "use it" for a reason - You can not USE magick to get what you want, or to make others do what you want them to. Well, you could, but it would be unethical, immoral, and the repercussions are beyond unpleasant. I have witnessed this. A friend of mine once cast a "love" spell. Yes, it "worked". She then realized that this person was NOT who she had thought he was, and tried to ease out of the relationship - he became overboard-clingy and obsessed with her. It was scary. She eventually admitted to him what she had done and helped him to "break" the spell (he felt violated and used, which he basically had been... the funny thing is, he then turned around and tried to use ME (which I did not allow) to get back at her. He really showed his true colors!). Anyway. It was insane. Not a fun experience (putting it mildly), for either of them and for any of us bystanders (me and all of our friends).

I just wanted to use that as an example of negative or "black" magick. Most people might call love spells, potions, etc. "white" magick, thinking it is ok because love is a good emotion. However, ANYTHING that harms or violates the free will of another being is WRONG, period. The point of "using" energy and magick to change something in your life (or in the world) is to recognize the fact that your body and subconscious know what is best and right, even if you, consciously, do not. An example - When at one time in my life I was feeling alone, scared and lonely, and I myself cast a "love spell", it was not directed towards any one person, to "make" anyone love me. It was to bring love and companionship into my life, in whatever form that might be, in a way that would be healthy and good for me and those around me. Yes, it worked, but in a way that completely surprised me - the friendships and relationships I found were beautiful, but unexpected. Thankfully, the vast majority of my experiences have been positive like this, because I CHOOSE to make it so. I really believe that there is more good than evil in this world. Most of us go through our lives oblivious to the most simple things....... I certainly did, for many reasons, for way too long! Now I do everything possible to recognize the beauty and joy of life, even at its worst.







I agree. I do not "wait" for miracles, either - I manifest them in my life through hard work, perserverence, positive thoughts and energy, and giving back to my friends and loved ones in any way I can. My life is in no way picture-perfect. I have been through some very hard times (am going through one right now, after ripping open and dislocating my knee 7 months ago!), emotionally, physically, mentally. The difference for me is that I recognize the fact that I ALONE control myself, my surroundings and my destiny.

A favorite quote comes to mind.
"If you want to know your PAST, look at your present conditions. If you want to know your FUTURE, look at your present actions."

That about sums it up for me.

I love to see magic acts and stuff but havent really experience one that totally convince me that it is for real.

wooow, what a story.....

unbelievable that such things can happen...
I also think it makes no sense to force someone to love...

If it doesn't come from "nature", it should not be- this love and the man/woman does not belong to you.
The right one is waiting around the corner

I still can't believe, that this happened with your friend.... How is it possible to make someone loving the other without having such feelings before?????

thanks for your stories, I love to read them and sorry for my short answers...would love to write more about that, but I am too poor in my english to write more, sorry

Bye Melanie

Magick does exist and is very real. Those who undertake its practice will not reveal that they do so.

Magick is denoted by God,questioning Gods existance is a moot point in relation to Majick. One believes in Majick cannot deny God, for God is the source of all that is.

Knobody can deny God, because the act of denial implies to not accept the opposite of what IS.

To deny love, love still exists, love is experienced, not seen, but exists.

For a young man to deny loves reality due to an upsetting relationship with a sweetheart of his past, is the young mans attempt to justify his broken heart. Thus the young man chooses to deny something that is true and pure.

Hence, God is denied by many, yet the love that was experienced upon being born into this world never ceases within the deep conciousness known as the soul.

i dont believe

I didn't believe in Magic. All magic are basically some trick to make you believe the existence of Magic?

I practice witchcraft which is a kind of magick but you have to be very careful! Never do a spell against someone else - it is true that it comes back on you threefold! I believe in all kinds of things from the paranormal to shapeshifting. If you know how to control your faults then you can do anything you want! Another 'subject' i am interested in is Shamanism - i have read alot of books and watched documentaries, it fascinates me.

In my view magic exists on 100%

and it is visible through miracles

So, do you only believe in magic through miracles? What kind of miracles? The defination of a miracle differs from one person to another.

Hey Cheryl,

thanks for sharing your experiences, saw it just now and yes, the prob is, that most of the ppl wouldn't understand this kind of experience, so I think I would keep my mouth shut too





yes, I think also, there is no big difference between miracles and magic

I believe there's a big differences..

1. Miracles cant be learn, people that has miracles is the chosen one
2. Magic can be learn, people can learn it.. Coz every1 has the basic talent for that!

That's the way i see..

yes, that is also true, hmmm difficult.....

I think, without miracles you can't learn to practice magic, so in a kind of it is a miracle too

Well I think every miracle has sth from magic

it is sth unpredictable - very uncommon and you really

can't learn how to make a miracle but to perform magic yes

this is the diff - in my opinion

but to perform magic- it's a miracle too

very interesting to discuss this topic

so like do u kill birds and stuff to sacrifice them. thats grose dude. do u walk around in all black and freak everyone out. thats not normal i think. goths or whatever watch too much Marliyon Manson.

Do you believe in magic in a young girl's heart
How the music can free her, whenever it starts
And it's magic, if the music is groovy
It makes you feel happy like an old-time movie
I'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul
But it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll

If you believe in magic don't bother to choose
If it's jug band music or rhythm and blues
Just go and listen it'll start with a smile
It won't wipe off your face no matter how hard you try
Your feet start tapping and you can't seem to find
How you got there, so just blow your mind

If you believe in magic, come along with me
We'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me
And maybe, if the music is right
I'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night
And we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see
How the magic's in the music and the music's in me

Yeah, do you believe in magic
Yeah, believe in the magic of a young girl's soul
Believe in the magic of rock and roll
Believe in the magic that can set you free
Ohh, talking 'bout magic

Do you believe like I believe Do you believe in magic
Do you believe like I believe Do you believe, believer
Do you believe like I believe Do you believe in magic
[Fade]

lol, that's the first thing I thought of when I saw this thread.

He hee he!! No absolutely nothing like that at all! I only practice witchcraft to make my life more better for me.

It´s really funny if you don´t believe in it and then someone reads the cards for you and exactly this happens. So yes...I do believe in magicks to a certain degree. It doesn´t have anything to do with light effects and mystical music. What about the dog which knows it´s owner is coming home though the car still is miles away? And it´s not always the same time. I have seen this in a documentary. This kind of connection between people. This 6th sense is also what I call magick.

i believe in magic,in fact, i learning some magic from other man.it's interesting.

Agreed. :-)



Many others I would like to quote, but I will start here.

I look at it this way....

Life itself is a miracle - nobody can deny that, no matter what your religion, race, point of view (about anything and everything), etc. The fact that we are here, on this planet, in this galaxy, in this universe (among who knows how many other universes and planes of existence) -- this is a miracle.

Magick is the understanding of life and energy, and the ability to use that understanding, through will, focused intention, affirmations, candle-lighting, visualization, prayer, and a myriad of other techniques (both mental and physical), to affect positive change in yourself and the world around you.
I am NOT talking about "magic" tricks, here - none of that David Copperfield, card tricks, Houdini, floating rope and rings, pull-a-rabit-out-of-a-hat, music and light tricks stuff. Those are illusions. While they are incredibly entertaining, they have absolutely nothing to do with the reality of true magick and "miracles".

Therefore, miracles and magick can be considered to be one and the same. Most people see a miracle as being something with no explanation, that you must just accept, for whatever reason, as being the work of God (or whoever). To me, we all have the ability to create change in our lives, if we work to understand energy, life, and the fact that God/Goddess resides in EVERYTHING, including ourselves. And so, we are all miracle-workers. We are all capable of creating magick and wonder. All things have an explanation, if you can look within yourself and accept the fact that our perception of the "real" world is actually very limited. Just look at what we are discovering, every day, through research into Quantum and Nuclear Physics, Astronomy, the "mechanics" of spirituality and prayer (though none of us need a scientist to tell us that prayer "works"... scientists still feel compelled to try to "prove it!" ).... etc. I could go on.

Go here to learn more about quantum physice and current "crazy" discoveries...
What the Bleep?!
This site has info about the *new* What The Bleep movie.... it is an extension of the original, from what I know. This site also has info about the "original" one, or you can buy it here:
What The Bleep Do We Know?!
I suggest watching it with an open mind and a grain of salt, as nothing is perfect. But.... love it or hate it, this movie has seriously changed the way many look at the world around us. It just might change your point of view, too.

My point here is that none of us truly understand the world. We discover more "amazing" things everyday. If we close ourselves to possibilities... how can we ever gain any real idea of what we are capable of?

Also thought I would say that I know we all have a definition and opinion as to what constitures a "true miracle," so my intention here is not to start an argument or fight. I am just sharing what I have learned, through trial, error, experience, study, and much soul-searching.

Mel,
this is why I have no problem talking about the "crazy" experiences I have had. I am not afraid of people seeing me in a different light, as weird or crazy. I have no use for other peoples' opinions of me. The way I see it is if none of us are willing to share our experiences, out of fear, how can we ever make a difference and change our environment? You will find that you are not so different, after all, and that more and more people all the time HAVE had such experiences. They just never knew how to open up about them.



No, witches do NOT kill birds or sacrifice anything. There is a lot of misinformation out there (most of which has been carried throughout history) as to what a witch is and is not. I agree wholeheartedly that sacrifice is disgusting, and whth the fact that some people who do "walk around in all black" call themselves witches. Usually they are misguided, by the same bad information that leads people to believe that witches are blood-thirsty devil-worshipers who do drugs, sacrifice birds and eat babies... and, I agree with your sentiment that "goths" watch too much Marilyn Manson! I personally can not stand Manson.. I do not wear all black.. and, I probably look and dress so similar to you that you would not even look twice at me if you were to pass me in the street.

For a good resource to learn just WHAT Witchcraft is, and what it is NOT, I recommend this book:

The Truth About Witchcraft Today by Scott Cunningham



Welcome to the thread, Pro-Nutri... *grins* I got your PM and sent one back - didja get it?

That is where I was at one point in my life, too. I was having all kinds of weird events happen to me, and one of my friends (we were in 7th grade) read the tarot for me. It was such an amazing experience.. it helped to clarify everything and helped me to really understand some things about my life. That, combined with some conversations I had with my mom, sparked my interest in magick and witchcraft... and the rest is history.

K, everyone, my carpal tunnel is acting up and my fingers are going numb. Too much typing. I wasn't really finished, but I suppose this really is enough for now, huh? *lol*
Peace out, 'till later.....

may i joining
i like a miracle and bussiness
bother, i can be perfect in this life (PROBABLY)

do you know how David Copperfield flying? or how Chris angle walking on the wall

I believe in Derren Brown, have you seen that guy? He is awesome.

Magic

well, this post shows, that you really have no clue, what magic is

Do you really believe there isn't something, we can't see?

ok, everybody has his own opinion.