Hmm...hmmm...hmm. I have the impression that people don't really understand the definition of "High Yield Investestment Programs" (Hyip)
There are some "individuals" who think that they are actually running Hyip but the fact is they are plain SCAMMERS.

Lets work on a sheet, okay?
Lets say We (members) invested $30,000 into a certain program. It says payout untill 85%.
Lets say the $30,000 is the total invested and we have about 300 members. In average, each members invested $100 and there is this plan offering 120% in 1 day.
In total, 300 (members) x 120% (per member) = 36000%

The program is going to payout 85%. That means the money to payout is only (85%x30,000)/100=$25,500

Wow, we invested $30,000 and 300 people are hoping to get 120% each but the funds only $25,500 available....what to do?
I'll show you.
Each members profits is supposed to earn $120 according to the plan.
$25,500 (Funds available) / $120 = ONLY about 212 members will receive cashout.
The other 88 members....too bad...you have been SCAMMED and you know what this is just a game!?

You think that's it only 88 members scammed. Lets me tell you about the admins (Don't you want to know)
Well, the admins are pretty "hardworking" doing payouts and answering members in MMG.
You know what, they didn't do this for Free.

Lets see the sheet again.
From the 15% (supposed to cover costs)....
The admins are dividing the money among themselves.
15% = $4500....(you think that's ok right for them to set up the program for you)
Guess again!
If every withdrawal there is a 3% admin fee, ($120x3)/100 = $3.6x212 (members)=$763.2
$763.2 +$4500 = Total money they "earned" = $5263.20

If you still think that you are that smart and wise, you are in for a bigger suprise.

Ever wonder why you joined since the beginning but never get paid?
The answer is you have been dubbed.
Do you really think all the members in the program are not somehow related to the admins?
YOU ARE WRONG because they are hired to post good ratings in the forum and post Paid.

I want you to be thinking carefully now. How many members here are truly their onselves??
You don't know right?
All those senoirs you see and all those MMG supporter you see, they can well be in a group working together to scammed people.

Again you might think, Wow payout $25,500, very honest admin. Ask yourself, do you really know these people who get paid? The can be in the "same group"!

What you guys are doing right now is putting in your 'Hard-Earned-Money' in 'Real-Life' and spend it in scamming schemes like these. <<Continue>>

ok

i just know

thank you ......

These games like "Jointventure4future", Metahyip....etc.
They are online scamming schemes.

Have you see people posted how much they invested in a progra and how much they lost?
It's all fake people.
You see posts like " I invested $200 into your program, please check" , " I want to invest $345 into your program. Do you think it is safe?"
This is all just a strategy to raise up the stake to make you think you can really earn but the fact is it's all make believe. They make you think "Wow, people are so willing to invest hundreds over dollar in this program, i wan to try too!"
When they turn out to be scam, other individuals will say "Oh, I lost $125 in this program but i'm still in profits", "It's a pity this program have to close but i'm coming back for Round 2", I lost $200 in this. Honest admins"...bla bla bla.
This is just another strategy to comfort you, making you think that losing a few hundreds are ok and you will want to come back for the next round too.

I just can't see more of this that's why i'm telling you guys to stay off right now.

Lets say you are in profit the 1st round so you are in confident to come back for the 2nd. You might be again be in profit and you are hot promoting this program. In Round 3, the total investment increase tremedously (Lets say Round 1 $30,000 and Round 3 $200,000 thanks to you for bring in the members)
Guess what happen in Round 3?
NO PAYMENTS made. Admin RUN with the $200,000 without any payouts and you actually lost a lot and you are bringing in people to help this scammer earn so much money.
A good example is 'Painstakinglyfund.com"

This is what i'm telling you. Don't help to promote these hyips. You are actually building a strong reputation for it and when it reaches a certain Round and the total deposit is so much, They will just take off with all the money. I call these people the modern "Cyber Thieves"

So, just here me out. Don't invest in these PONZIes anymore. You might be lucky to be in the 212 members who got their payments but next time it could be you in the 88 members category. YOu are bound to get scammed no matter how early you get in.

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To end all this, I'll have to tell you guys to be focusing on you real life and real job. Online money making is NEVER and option to earn in your life.
I don't know to what extend this PONZI GAMES will extend in the future. I just wish if someone would crack down this kind or mumbo jumbo and ceased the existance of this online gimmick.

To all my fellow friends, work hard in life. Don't waste your time and money doing useless "job" with uncertain future. Be like Donald Trump or whoever that you think is succesful. Make a difference to the world, not savouring on nothingless and pointless oppurtunity like this.
Good luck guys

Donald Trump. Nice one. I agree with you. but not all hyips are like that. Are you meaning that... you're proposing to CLOSE hyip?

You can look to my thread http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Suggestions-Hyip-Loo-t56660.html

I want to make something like no one can loose there are some options that I made.

btw, you added that 120% actually 100% is your principal and 20% is profits so I think you have to edit this

and Jointventure4future admins are honest they said 85% and the game will end so I think if you invested there you read that no and you agreed no?

mmmm you want to tell me also that casino's are scammers too?

I think you guys got me wrong. I happen to know some real hyip like Solid Investment, PrivateOpps, Marketiva.....etc. THOSE are the real long term hyip not PONZI.

If you read my first post, I said this


These "individuals" claimed to be running hyip but the are using members money to pay other members. Which no doubtfully will get somebody scammed in the process.
This "game" they say is not hyip....It's called PONZI!

Ponzis' are everywhere.
A true Hyip are the ones that have side revenue and they are really using the money you invested to invest in property, FOREX and legit investment all over the world.
Because they have side revenues and they put the money in good use to earn more, they are able to payout much more than the rates from Bank deposits.

These people running Hyip are true financial experts (in reality). They are generating real income to pay for the money you put in (just like from banks) but the difference is they are able to produce better rates NOT Unbelievable 20% profit (Daily) for a $1 deposit

That is why people always say 99% of hyip are Ponzi.
What you are doing right now is as though "Giving" your money to this Third Person and this person(s) will "Give" your money to another party and he (another party) claim he's In Profit . And the process goes Visa versa and in the end some people are going to "Earn" a lot (from other peoples' money) and some will "Lost" a lot (their own money) because it was given to other people.

Lets just think. If you are so willingly to "exchange" your money through a third person, why don't you just do it directly (Sometimes I give you my hard-earned money, Sometimes you give me your hard-earned money ) ...How's that!?

SO, for all those "individuals" out there (joinventure4future???.....) you are not running a Hyip. You are actually running a PONZI. Don't hide behind the mask of hyip because you are that scum-ponzi. Next time you 'individuals' want to have your "game", don't relate them as hyip....It's a disgrace to the experts who came up with that term. Call yourself "Ponzi" from now on and we can have a special section for that!

Linux: Yeah, the profit is 20%. Thanks for the error

And guys,
Casino are casino and Hyip will always be hyip but,
for the "Imposter" Hyip (game), you are Ponzi and Ponzis' deserve to be CLOSED and ARRESTED

ok no personal attacks, but I think when someone said is a game is because are not scammers of course if they payout till XX%

You are calling me scammer at the same time because I'm planning to open a hyip and want some suggestions in my thread.

I don't like to be called scammer, my honor is first and then other things

the main theory of this kind of quick money making scheme is to get in and get paid early. i really consider it as a game.

if you say that nobody can survive with that kind of rate, how did 12dp never missed any withdrawals for over a period of 6 months.

everything depends on the admin and the cash flow of the program. if you can attract members at a constant basis you can definetely stay online for a long time (over 1 year)

but i agree that online earning is not stable. you can consider forex and stock trading rather than hyips.

it would be nice if we can make a team and alert people about scam sites etc

we really need to build up a huge network against scammers

I want to correct something, Ponzi schemes is also depends on Investors

We are planning to have a network but in future plans with Gooleb Forum http://www.gooleb.com/forum/ if we success and admins starts to posting we will grab their ip's and if they came with scam we will publish as scammers, but this is a hard work because of proxies, which we have a good knowledge to know if it is proxy or real IP.

this sounds like a great idea

we can filter most of the common public proxies.

that I can be do it, but everyday 2000 new proxies are up and 2000 are down (approx) so its difficult and costly (time).

Studying and reading all hyips (scammers and running ones) you know which are scammers

i think everyone knows what they go into. what you posted is just common sense. some people get too excited and never take into consideration what you said. I don't agree with these pay till % hyips although i was one of the first to suggest them.

It doesn't mean they are scammers because they made an hyip that way. They stated exactly what they are doing in the main page and when someone joins they know what they are in for. And i'm referring to the jointventure4future. I know the admin and she is one of the most honest persons i ever met on the internet. Dude don't go round calling people names. Maybe you lost some money in thier hyip? who knows...

Yes if there are no outside investments then its impossible to create any ROI whatsoever.

I'm opening an hyip with a money back plan, I WILL have outside investments but members need to understand that I need time also to do this so maybe payments will be late, I have to plan it out. I will state everything clearly and if someone doesn't like it, they have the option not to deposit. Its that easy. You have a choice in life, and here to.... Members need to understand that you can't have everything at once and these high % after one or two day plans are IMPOSSIBLE even if the admin swears he knows how to make those profits, its all BS.

This is what happen when you do not read my post thoroughly.

Right now, im comparing what is Hyip and what is Ponzi

Lets make this very simple.
Some of you are so ambitious in running your own "game"
I can also run a similar "game" in no time at all.
This "game" I will be running is call a Ponzi because i'll be using members money to pay off other members. In this Ponzi "game", some of you will win and some of you will lose.

And like i said,
Hyip are just like a Bank/Stockmarket but with a higher commission rates.
Hyip DO NOT use members money to pay off other members.
They USE the money to generate real income and pay a portion of it to it's members according to the rates agreed. Members earnings are actually a part of the dividen receive from this investment.

That is why, when i run this "game", I'm running a Ponzi not a Hyip
(I) am a scammer because i took 15% or 20% of members money.
(I) cannot generate real incomes from the investment because I'm NO financial expert.
(I) am actually "collecting" your money into a BAG.
(I) took out 15-20% of it and give it back to some of you with a "profit"
(I) not able to refund you because i took 15-20% of the money and had given the rest back to some members with "profit". That means i have ZERO in the BAG.
(I) stand by my word because i paid out 80% like i promise. You keep defending me and say that (I'm) honest because i did payout 80% of the money from the BAG.
(I) start another Round 2, you guys put the money into the BAG and i process the "exchange again". In the process (I) took another 15-20% of it and split the rest among you and the others.
(I) came on doing this for a few months, at Round 100 going to 101....

Do you guys see this now?
(I) do nothing at all but (I) still get 15-20% from each Round.
(You guys) put in your hard-earned money into the BAG without knowing wheter you will get back the money + "profit" or not....
(I) do this for a few months[before (I) decide to run away with the money]. Every month (I) manage 10 Rounds (lets say each Round lasted for 3 days) If you see my pervious posts,



I calculated average EACH ROUND, (I) will be earning around $5000 and in ONE MONTH (10 Rounds) $700x10 = (I) "earned" $50,000 monthly just because (I) put out a BAG for you and took a handsome sum of 15-20%.
$50,000 in one month people!

*If you tell me that (I) am not a SCAMMER who runs a PONZI.....WHO AM (I)?

You are correct. That, is the anatomy of a PONZI. And that is why PONZI's are
illegal. Because they do not generate any real profit.

I concur with you.

Now, the million dollar question is: How do you tell a HYIP from a PONZI. Who,
has the 'cookbook' for that differentiation. I am certainly at a loss there.

About 99% of hyips are ponzi scheme. I wouldn't bother to look much on these hyip programs anymore.

There are some parts I agree with you in,

Your right, not everyone will make mony in a site, and some sites clearly state that they are a game,and they will pay out untill a certain percentage is reached. Some of these sites actually payout untill the precentage is reached and people still lose,

However they did mention that their was a risk involved and no guarantee was made, so its up to everyone to make their own choices.


As for the whole bit about people being in on it together, multiple users working together to promote a site, that may not be so far fetched.

Not for nothing but I launched my own site, took me much more work to make then half the other sites out there. I offered resonalbe returns, like other sites out there,
And yet somehow my site managed to get overlooked and had probably about 12 depositors only.

Now this blows my mind considering a site called 100%manual.com opend like a day or 2 later then mine, and yet it had tons of posts in it from people depositing.
Now 100%manual, was running on a free server and domain, with a picture and a few words, yet people supposbly invested in it....???

Yet my site had tons of work, was also unscripted and nothing, I offered evey singe kind of promotion, bonus and still nothing.

Yet look for yourself and see a brand new site open up and in a few hours has 300buks in it.

I dont get it, It doenst seem to make any sense.

1 - 12dp was max 44% profit after ~20 days. (not too high)
2 - 12dp required to surf for profit AND many people didnt/couldnt surf every day for 12 days so actually many members earned less profit, some even lost principal
3 - from first days there was massive advertising campaign going on.

Now you know what you're saying is crap. I agree on other things you are saying, people should know you can't make 200% in two days. But don't say you can't earn on the internet, you just gotta know what and where to look

I only invested in 3 HYIP's in my life to realize that 98% are scams. On the first one I invested 1$(lost) on the second one 30$ (lost) and the third one was 50$, which I reported to paypal and got a full refund. I could tell the difference between most real and scam hyips, but even in the honest hyips you don't know when it's gonna end. So people work hard and look for real opportunities and get your hands of those HYIPs. Remember if it looks too good to be true it probably is.

And, how do you go about telling the difference between a good HYIP
and a scam one?

Read between the lines

same here...they wont get my money!
none of them has a license to sell investments...they know it and don't care.
they also know they wont be around long enough to get caught...