Hi.
Think twice before requesting any chargeback to 12dailypro or Stormpay.
Its illegal.
Read what the United States District Court - Central District of California Says:

http://www.stormpay.com/SEC_v_Johnson_etal.pdf

All affilates of 12dailypro is as guilty as the program-owner it self.
We have no rights: further, This is an statement that shows that ALL autosurf with the possibility of making money, is illegal. So, watch out where you put your money!
I will now quote an statement of another attorney looking into this Court Order:

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Brian Kindsvater a practicing Attorney looked over this order and had this to say:

If you are considered an affiliate of 12DP, perhaps by promoting its service, as many have in this forum, there is now a court order freezing your assets (as well as 12DP), and appointing a receiver to take control of your personal and real property.

Read carefully Section V - No assets of an affiliate can be disposed of. Example: "Sorry, you cannot buy milk from the grocery store."

Section VII - The receiver now controls all personal and real property of an affiliate, including the right to have unlimited access to your house or apartment (Section VII. B.)

The S.E.C. has issued a standing order preventing chargebacks against those purchases/investments. Any customer requesting a chargeback or refund either through their credit card issuer or bank are in violation of the order. Specifically, users are prohibited from "using self help (including, without limitation, initiating or processing chargebacks of any monies used to purchase or upgrade membership units in or with 12DP) or executing or issuing or causing the execution or issuance of any court attachment, subpoena, replevin, execution or other process for the purpose of impounding or taking possession of or interfering with".


If you are a 12DP affiliate, the court's order is not to just stop promoting 12DP, it is to stop promoting ANY such program. Actually, it is to not engage in any fraudulent conduct, even if not related to autosurf or Internet marketing.
If you participated in this scam, that is 12DP, Studio Traffic or any other Investment Autosurf then you are as guilty as the people who ran the Autosurfs and you have yet to see all the fallout from this action to anyone that personaly participated in these scams.

If I was anyone that made even 1 cent off of these scams or attempted to chargeback or refund either through their credit card issuer or bank then you need to print out the order that is provided to us and get yourself a attorney.
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kerberos

**** the court order! I will do as I please to do if SP or 12DP or else screwed me.

OP has no idea what he is talking about. Unless you receive personally served notification of the order you are not bound by its terms. Continue disputing charges with StormPay and ignore what the OP said. He knows nothing about the law

PS Any real attorney knows what constitutes actual service so I am inclined to believe that the OP's quote of an attorney is false conjecture from someone who knows nothing about the law. Even 1st year law students know what constitutes legal service

Ok, this is rather cool then?
I can read the order my self to you know.
Have you tryed that?
Its quite easy to figure out, and just wait, you will receive mai/snail-mail from the Court, if it happends that you are an affilate of 12dailypro that is.
What happends to other autosurfs I am not aware of.

Take care.
kerberos

So... that means SP is an affiliate and subject to it

Post by kerberos references an attorney saying that perhaps we are one of the 'affiliates' to whom these horrible restrictions apply if we have promoted 12dp. What if we didn't? What if we merely paid money to join and never recruited anyone? Are we still considered 'affiliates' according to this document?

My interpretation (and I may just be wishful thinking cause I'm certainly not an attorney) is that an affiliate in this case would be someone with whom 12 dp had a business relatonship other than the auto surf members. Because elsewhere in the document mention is made of 'customers' and 'claimants' and that's what I think I am.

Very curious to see other opinions---

Folks, Read the U.S. Constitution, specifically the 5th and 14th Amendment. The government cannot seize your assets without due process. This means they have to notify you first. Now, they could go after the 12DP affiliates. But, until you are served, I do not think you have anything to worry about. Personally, I do not think they will waste their time trying to track down everyone who advertised 12DP on an autosurf or blasted an ad or whatever. Too much time, not much return. They still could, but I doubt it.

This is not legal advice, just my personal opinion. If you are truly worried, google the info (findlaw.com probably has the documetns) and show them to a lawyer. However, I think you can just sit back and relax (while fuming over SP stealing your money).

I agree with your view. They cant track down everyone anyway.

So, What will happen if we request for chargeback?Is this applied to all or only US???

The US have no rights in any other part of the world,although they think they have!

Only US They have no rights over me here in Australia.

Yay! that's absolutely right. Us members were not served any order. My husband says it's horse Shyte. maybe everyone who was NOt served the order should write and claim THEIR MONEY from the theives.




Well that tells me I have grounds to sue them for illegally freezing my assetts!!!! And anyone else. File a class action lawsuit for illegally freezing our assetts and demand full compensation plus damages!
I'm tired of thieves ripping us off!

Oh yeah right, how about my cousin, she did not even join the 12dp and got chargeback by stormpay. And if she complained her house will got taken? What an unfair thing.

StormPay is going to be a word used only in the past tense when this all works itself out.

Not just by collecting fee's from illegal operations as they themselves are admitting too, but what about all of those HYIP sites like profits4investing2 etc.
These were not even thinly disguised ponzis what with 600% paybacks on up to 5000 dollar investments after 15 days. They would netiba certify them, allow them to advertise on "Storm-Clix" then wait for the game to slow down as Administrator's had to hold onto earning longer and longer to get enough new ponzi depositors to pay the old investments then they would freeze the funds left after enough complaints and collecting beau coup fee's from Credit Cards. Pay ins, netiba, Storm-Clix and the "Hold The Money" for 180 days in an interest bearing account supposedly to repay the "Claims" of defrauded investors.
And they claim ignorance to this when they send the rubber stamp denial of claim saying they are JUST becoming aware that this merchant should be sanctioned and suspended from doing business with StormPay as a payment processor and we the customer should be more careful. Well, I think StormPay should have NEVER allowed them to be used by these ponzi's if they were at ALL interested in operating within the Law. All of there certfication (Netiba) and StormClix was an IMPLIED INDUCEMENT for me to invest in these funds.
Well, I was investing for the first time and got taken by one of these, I figured after reading StormPays own rules that they would never allow a site to use them as payment processor AND make a profit from the ILLEGAL procedings without STORMPAY having on file the documentation that the site MUST HAVE in order to ask for more than $500.00 in any one investment. See Stormpayrule 17. You would think Stormpay themselves would have seen to that to protect themselves if they were in any way intersted in operating within the letter of the law instead of just raking in fee's.
How many letters from the same type of sites did they have to write in the past year ? Don't you figure THEY should have learned especially after the thorough "Investigation" by the crack (or should I say "On crack") organization NETIBA that turned out to be a hole knocked in the wall to a side door inside the StormPay office with a side door entrance and calling it a third party verification business. When I saw that this HYIP was netiba certified and after I wasn't certified till I received a letter in the mail and input the pin I was sent Plus finding the site by accident just checking out Storm-Clix I thought this was Carte Blanc to invest with little regard for worry about losing my funds. I asked around to people who had knowledge of For-ex investing ands was told IF a large number of people put there money together these kinds of high rate payouts was possible.

They are not fooling anyone with their charade.

They knew and were lining their pockets with funds from Illegal ponzi money from these outfits and I bet that is how they were forced to kill the golden goose in 12DP as they did it with a gun at there back. The FBI's Gun.
We may or may not know as the investigations continue but this all started to unfold with the surfing day held by law enforcement back about six months ago and then the Raids upon INT gold and egold and seizing of there records and arrest of int-golds owners.
This led a path to the biggest first and then the small guys will either fall into line or disappear. That Surfing Day they held was for the purpose os seeing how much funny business and money laundering was possible in the USA.

But I could be wrong. But if the truth ever comes out I think I am right.

Ah yes, one of the many advantages of living in Australia

Yes all money to the US. Actually comes to me...I take my cut...then I'll divvy up the rest.

Jim

IF ONE PROBLEM GO ANOTHER PROBLEM COME.

This order does not affect me, i have already filed dispute with Mastercard and they have Credited my card back with all monies i paid to SCUMPAY.

Created in 1934, the Securities and Exchange Commision (SEC) regulates the enforcement of laws regulating
the disclosure of information pertinent to the buying and selling of stocks and bonds.

It also regulates the stock exchange themselves.

Why would they have anything to do with this?????

bilnerds

They cannot possibly say they were unaware those HYIPs were ponzis, some even had the word "ponzi" in them and investing4profits had the ponzi game and they were NetIBA certified! maybe if there were only one or two hyips using Stormpay they might slip through the cracks but you can't tell me Stormpay was completely unaware about the Hyips! Stormclix advertized them all the time and Stormpay dealt with Hyip accounts so they HAD to know. What gets me is why go after 12dailypro which was not a HYIP and did offer a legitimate service and all the Hyips that had no service were left alone except for the account freezes? If Hyips were illegal then what was SP doing promoting them? then claiming ignorance and saying they didn't know about it?

SEC is for the yankees alone ,its jurisdiction does not and will never go beyond united states shores,so if u not in the usa,go on and continue with ur chargeback ppl,i suspect stormpay pays some people to come here and post **** to scare ppl from doing what is their right .

Sounds like it only relates to Investment programs, HYIP and any program that invests money on the stock market. Here is the kicker though, it is none of StormPay's business what-SO-ever, being a 3rd party as they are to have power OVER the companies that use their services. To further clarify IF additional income streams are used to pay people who use legitamate advertising as an income, well its frankly none of their business. Last time I checked the USA was a free country but as it stands the government needs to make more laws that will protect us. Wouldn't you agree?
The longer this drags out, the more undue suffering it will cause all of the parties involved or affiliated with Stormpay. Looks like the hole is getting deeper and deeper...
I hope the resolution will come soon regarding this tragedy and at least we can hold on to hope for now.

I have been working with online advertising for almost a decade and I just might loose my nerve if my whole lifes work is destroyed right now. We all have to eat right? right?

StormPay has 90 days to refund us... The clock is ticking away and their time is running out but offhand they sure are making it hard for autosurfs.

Hope it helps... Good luck to all

Yeah. U may be right. even if SEC has any right beyond US shores, they wouldn't be bothered to track everyone of us round the world.

So just do the chargeback. Someone in Singapore forum has got chargeback permanently reversed.

Fight for your own $$$$$. No one else would.

StormScum-no-pay knew exactlly what they were backing as they were born out of what was possibly the first such ponzi scheme with Tymglobal Inc. which was the subject of a Cease and Disist order by the Comissioner of Commerce and Insurance in the State of Tennesse on 7th August 2003.
They have raked of millions of dollars in fees from members of numerous Autosurf and Hyips, many of which were NET IBA certified, and none of which would ever have got started without Stormpay allowing them to use their service.
Read a full report at
http://www.fairtradeauthority.com/stormpay...ypro_report.php

Mr McConnell and his team are a load of theiving lying SHYTES>

Notice that the judge didn't sign the order! The order is worthless, SP is only hoping it scares people into not doing chargebacks.

Good article and I posted my complaint on the FTA site.

has anyone tried to get a chargeback after the date the court order was released?

just keep on with the chargebacks,stormpay just wantt o scare u ,just keep it on especialy those outswide the usa ,SEC have no jurisdiction beyond the usa borders

my bank just allowed me to dispute the charge (march 12). I filed for a dispute. Many ppl on TG are saying it's not going to go through...what do you guys think?

I think that people are overlooking one small thing. All this talk about being personally served etc. There is a reason why you read all the legal ads in the newspapers, the ones where for divorces, people advise the public that they are no longer responsible for the debts of their spouse, or the ads that say the courts and goverment intend to seize a person's propery for things such as non payment of utilities or taxes etc. Thats also why occasionally you see the huge lists of names and addresses posted by the banks in their attempts to contact clients. An newspaper ad can be considered a legal service. I know. It's how I got divorced many years ago. Couldnt find the no-good scumbag, so my attorney and the court clerk, both told me to place an ad in the paper, let it run for a week and show proof that it had been published. If he didnt respond within 30 days after the printing, the court would assume he was not contesting the divorce. They do the same thing in these types of situations. Logistically they can't contact all of you by snail mail or in person.

All that needs to be shown is a good faith attempt. SO all those people who are saying that they never got served personally, if it's been published in the papers (and it doesnt matter which one or in which state) If it's been posted on the relevant websites, then they've made a good faith attempt to contact you. Heck if it was mentioned on a news report on TV even if the report was about something unrelated to the case, like if they ran a report saying SP's head quarters had burned down and then in a little blip at the end they said dont do chargebacks, thats fine. And thats all they need. You can argue that you never saw the ad or the post on the website or the news report.. It wont matter. It was published in the public media and that's all they need.