Sorry if this is duplicated but I searched and didn't see it.
The Better Business Bureau of Middle Tennessee today issued an alert regarding StormPay.com, an online payment processing business, in response to over 180 complaints filed since the end of January.
“A review of complaints filed by users indicate that the company is holding in excess of $460,000,” explains BBB chapter President/CEO, Kathleen Calligan.
The BBB said it has requested the assistance of federal authorities.
Steve Girsky, StormPay owner, and John McConnell, president of the Clarksville-based business, are diverting the blame for the situation to a Web merchant with whom they’ve been associated, called “12dailypro,” which they say is being investigated by law enforcement.
For more on the story, see tomorrow's edition of The Leaf-Chronicle.
Originally published February 7, 2006
Greenboca
Feb 7 2006, 03:38 PM
OMG?? They've ruined me now!! I might have to go get a real job? This has cost me almost $20k!!! Account zeroed? WTF!! I've got $6k sitting in 12daily & AT....betcha I'll never see that?
Perpette
Feb 7 2006, 03:39 PM
QUOTE(dcavern @ Feb 7 2006, 06:29 PM) [snapback]1136523[/snapback]
I was the one that posted re: free access to legal representation.
Please DO NOT post your e-mail address to this forum. You will only receive spam as a result of doing so. I will advise URL if and when class-action signup comes to fruition.
I just got off the phone with my lawyer (again)...At their suggestion, I send via Snailmail a request to dispute the funding I sent SP via CC. Hopefully my CC company will respond in a positive manner, hopefully since the request in on legal letterhead, it may carry more weight.
I spoke about some of the suggestions being made on this board like closing the SP account alltogether.
My attorney made a good point. If you close the account, you have absolutely -ZERO- chance of recovering your funds. That is an inviation for SP to keep your funds, legitimately. If there is no record of your e-mail address in their system when they try to pay you...anyway, it's similiar to a 401k forfiture, based on the laws that govern SP, which, BTW, are NOT the same regs that govern your bank.
Even if you close your Sp account and they chargeback, technically you are still responsible for the debt. It's in their terms. As my lawyers picked apart their terns paragraph by paragraph. He advised me that just by looking over their TOS and checking the specific laws covering money transfer, they are in violation of several statutes governing the money transfer business. THEIR OWN WORDS in THEIR OWN TERMS conflict with established law that governs their industry.
It doesn't look good for Sp at this point.
So those of you thinking of closing your account in fear of a chargeback, it won't help. And the point my lawyer made, let's assume for a half a second they ARE legitimately trying to fix it, you'd be screwed if you close your account (which, he added, is probably what they are hoping for!)
As he called me, it does look like a class action will be brought against SP. Even if they are legit and are working to iron out these issues, they failed in several areas, one of the major ones being the lack of communication with their members when making adjustments to their accounts. So even if these problems are ironed out, they still have to answer for these unauthorized and non-notified adjustments. Never mind the intangible result of stress, worry (legal term: mental fatigue) and don't forget all those people who are going to be late paying other bills because of this. Interest, late fees, etc. All this can be recovered via class-action.
In my attorneys words, "the late fees and finance charges are piddly, in a class-action suit the mental anguish is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow."
Stay tuned....
tuned in with bells on
Lucian Reign
Feb 7 2006, 03:42 PM
QUOTE(dimpelss @ Feb 8 2006, 07:27 AM) [snapback]1136514[/snapback]
lol I've never heard of scampay until I joined the hyip game in Dec hey I still got $1 in my account cant believe its still there someone mention they are probably doing this to give the autosurfs their money back now thats funny
Add me to the list of zero people - my acount was zerod overnight!
This is like living in a cartoon - someone pinch me and wake me up from this nightmare!
Stormpay! Now you are really touching peoples money in their own accounts. Thieves will not prosper and the full weight of the law will come crashing down on your head.
You have the worst reputation on earth at the moment. You are ruined from any other future business Your time is truly limited. You cannot run - you cannot hide. 1000's of individual people and their accounts are being made 0.00.
The essence of your madness is greed and manipulation and lies. You are in league with foolishness and the blight of your actions shall hunt you down.
The stupidity of stealing individual and company accounts will reverse like a typhoon of destruction upon this and all future futile attempts at decieving the public (who i might add joined your company in good faith)
Your grave lies before you as a stench emits itself from you so called ethics.
You have polluted the autosurf and HYIP arena with far more poison than you claim to fix.
Take your hands off peoples and companies money - the blackness of your actions wells up within you as you seek the comfort of your failing citidel.
How thou art fallen Oh son of deception You, who decieved the masses, shall reap deception itself You have slept with wickedness and embraced the prostitute named greed The fruit of your doings wil become naked before all and the tune you will dance to will be mocking and scorn....
I feel a little better now
VIG
Feb 7 2006, 03:44 PM
QUOTE(dcavern @ Feb 8 2006, 12:08 AM) [snapback]1135860[/snapback]
--- Begin Ticket ---
Re: Bank account ending in 3449
Effective immediately, 3:30 pm CST 02/07/2006, as sole owner of this account, I hereby revoke authorization for StormPay to initiate any transfers to or from this account. Any transfers to or from this bank account are done in direct violation of your own policy as I hereby officially revoke consent to allow StormPay access to this account.
Furthurmore, I hereby request that this bank account be removed from my StormPay profile, as well as having the account information removed completely from your records.
I require a confirmation response within 24 hours notifying me that:
A) The account information has been removed from my StormPay profile, and B) The account information has been removed completely from the StormPay system.
Failure to provide notification within 24 hours will result in legal action being brought against your company for, among other things, unlawful possession of personal banking information.
Thank you.
--- End Ticket ---
We'll see what happens. My lawyer did tell me to call them no later than 3pm tomorrow to advise if I had received confirmation of the account removal. Me thinks they are serious about taking this on.
The funny thing is that 2 of the lawyers spent about 45 minutes each (combined 1.5 hrs) attempting to actually contact ANY HUMAN at SP. They called the Middle Tennessee BBB, several other contacts (including lawyers there in Clarksville) and discovered that it is all but impossible to actually talk to a human. In my lawyers terminology, they call it a smokescreen.
I believe these guys are ready to take this on, especially when I mentioned that it's AT LEAST half a billion dollars that is being disputed, just from two autosurfs. And that's only what has been made publicly available from the owners of these two autosurfs. They asked me to speculate on how much I think may be tied up in the whole thing, my guess was close to 1 billion dollars. They suggested it's more than that.
They also asked if I knew anyone else who was having this trouble. My response was that with at least 1 billion dollars on the line, there are a LOT of people involved. He suggested that I maybe start collecting names and e-mail addresses in the event a class-action suit is brought. I will wait to hear from him tomorrow before I do this, but tonight, in anticipation of doing this, I will create the web page and install the e-mail collection software so whoever wishes to sign up can. Then in the event a suit is brought, it will be easy to contact anyone who is interested in pursuing this issue.
Stay tuned....
personally , my account havent been zeroed simply because i have got any payment from any AS , all of it , that i paid to 12dailypro and AT , but i am new to this , and didnt get any payments from them .
I understand u help us to protect our bank accounts , but when i called my bank , tehyu confirmed to me that they dont allow automatic money withdrawals to any third party , i.e they dont allow any other bank to take money from bank accoounts they have , and that the only way to send wire bank , is by me asking them to do this and i have to go to bank physically to do this .
in my case , do i have to ask stormpay to removemy bank account ? about my CC i only have 0.1$ in it , and its debit card .
Hula
Feb 7 2006, 03:50 PM
My account is zeroed out as well.
The only charge backs I have (so far) are for
$1200+ I received from AT on 1/29 (which I put right back into AT)
and for my account balance of $7.51.
osaily
Feb 7 2006, 04:10 PM
I have make Group at Yahoo to post news there and help each others with updated news and suggestions to Recover our money from this Croacks
This way we will get update on e-mail consequently
I will check my stormpay account and reply here SO only those accounts are zero which stormpay stamp illegal Or all other accounts also Currently i cant get to log in page of stormpay Tried log in now but cant log in I think their site is busy
Wisconsin26
Feb 7 2006, 04:17 PM
QUOTE(SweetGirlOf19Years @ Feb 7 2006, 06:14 PM) [snapback]1136901[/snapback]
I will check my stormpay account and reply here SO only those accounts are zero which stormpay stamp illegal Or all other accounts also Currently i cant get to log in page of stormpay Tried log in now but cant log in I think their site is busy
referal commison is considered illegal money these days now.....
FatGiant
Feb 7 2006, 04:23 PM
Hi, my account wasn't touched yet, but after reading so many posts, and witnessing this incredible thing, a crazy thought crossed my mind.
Do you remember that yesterday, they had problems with the server ? They were claiming Banned IP's, Ip's not belonging to the country, and a few other errors...
Now this... Maybe, and I mean really maybe, this is all made by Hackers. If so, they have full access to the server, and they are probably using those "chargeback" movements to cover up the real destiny of their transactions. Note that no one has had a Chargeback to one valid account, all chargebacks were made either to accounts that don't exist anymore, and to frozen accounts, were the owners can't access and verify the transactions.
All this seems so stupid and suicidal, that it just doesn't fit the picture... If they wanted to close up shop, they just would. Would just close the site, and would never be heard of. Why bother to make hundreds of false movements in hundreds of accounts ? That would only make them a bigger target, and would spur investigations by Law enforcment agencies. Ooops, a very angry Hacker would want just that....
I can't confirm my suspicions, but adding this to the picture, a whole lot of it becomes much clearer. Either that, or someone has gone entirely crazy at that company. Hmmm... I just realized, that they can be using this desparaging nonsense has a cover-up, something like a Great defense, It's so absurd that it couldn't be true....
Anyway, it's food for thought...
Sorry by the novel...
sameday15
Feb 7 2006, 04:23 PM
I just had a 1400.00 withdrawl cancelled and then they also wiped out my account of the measly 18.00 that should have still been in there. Oh what a day.
SweetGirlOf19Years
Feb 7 2006, 04:30 PM
thanks Wisconsin26 for replying but stormpay also have referal commision for opening new stormpay accounts Will they take back that referral commision also then
merc
Feb 7 2006, 04:32 PM
This email is sent by 50cent2 surf
Quote
It has become appearent that stormpay are creating chargebacks
I know of 2 surf sites that have had their sp accounts drainded and put on them that they are chargebacks
My account is still suspended and some members are emailing me with regards to chargebacks
They have still NOT replied to me however people are saying that they are having chargebacks filed against their 50 cents payments and some are not even members
I AM NOT GETTING THE CHARGEBACKS IN MY ACCOUNT AS FAR AS I KNOW
I personally think that sp are draining accounts that are associated with auto surfs and running
I HAVE HAD NOT COMMUNICATION FROM THE AT ALL
i think wat they are doing is claiming money back of members and they will run
my account is still suspended and i have NOT GOT access to it at all
User Login
Di
bbqgal
Feb 7 2006, 04:32 PM
QUOTE(FatGiant @ Feb 7 2006, 04:23 PM) [snapback]1136964[/snapback]
Hi, my account wasn't touched yet, but after reading so many posts, and witnessing this incredible thing, a crazy thought crossed my mind.
Do you remember that yesterday, they had problems with the server ? They were claiming Banned IP's, Ip's not belonging to the country, and a few other errors...
Now this... Maybe, and I mean really maybe, this is all made by Hackers. If so, they have full access to the server, and they are probably using those "chargeback" movements to cover up the real destiny of their transactions. Note that no one has had a Chargeback to one valid account, all chargebacks were made either to accounts that don't exist anymore, and to frozen accounts, were the owners can't access and verify the transactions.
All this seems so stupid and suicidal, that it just doesn't fit the picture... If they wanted to close up shop, they just would. Would just close the site, and would never be heard of. Why bother to make hundreds of false movements in hundreds of accounts ? That would only make them a bigger target, and would spur investigations by Law enforcment agencies. Ooops, a very angry Hacker would want just that....
I can't confirm my suspicions, but adding this to the picture, a whole lot of it becomes much clearer. Either that, or someone has gone entirely crazy at that company. Hmmm... I just realized, that they can be using this desparaging nonsense has a cover-up, something like a Great defense, It's so absurd that it couldn't be true....
Anyway, it's food for thought...
Sorry by the novel...
If it is that easy... it could happened long time ago...
madmillionaire
Feb 7 2006, 04:33 PM
Yeah I have been wiped out too!!
Unbelievable LOL
If it wasnt so serious I would be laughing LOL
Wisconsin26
Feb 7 2006, 04:33 PM
QUOTE(SweetGirlOf19Years @ Feb 7 2006, 06:30 PM) [snapback]1137013[/snapback]
thanks Wisconsin26 for replying but stormpay also have referal commision for opening new stormpay accounts Will they take back that referral commision also then
what link or video?
doinvest
Feb 7 2006, 04:34 PM
I have over $3,000 in Pending ( withdraw to Debit Card )
Yesterday , Stormpay open new ticket to me said that they have the right to keep this money in 180 days to be sure nobody do chargeback . But who can chargeback me because I use only for 12dailypro.
Today , they canceled the pending withdraw and zeroed my balance . I can not believe them anymore . Everyday is new story , everyday is new face , new event , new reason
Wisconsin26
Feb 7 2006, 04:40 PM
QUOTE(FatGiant @ Feb 7 2006, 06:23 PM) [snapback]1136964[/snapback]
Hi, my account wasn't touched yet, but after reading so many posts, and witnessing this incredible thing, a crazy thought crossed my mind.
Do you remember that yesterday, they had problems with the server ? They were claiming Banned IP's, Ip's not belonging to the country, and a few other errors...
Now this... Maybe, and I mean really maybe, this is all made by Hackers. If so, they have full access to the server, and they are probably using those "chargeback" movements to cover up the real destiny of their transactions. Note that no one has had a Chargeback to one valid account, all chargebacks were made either to accounts that don't exist anymore, and to frozen accounts, were the owners can't access and verify the transactions.
All this seems so stupid and suicidal, that it just doesn't fit the picture... If they wanted to close up shop, they just would. Would just close the site, and would never be heard of. Why bother to make hundreds of false movements in hundreds of accounts ? That would only make them a bigger target, and would spur investigations by Law enforcment agencies. Ooops, a very angry Hacker would want just that....
I can't confirm my suspicions, but adding this to the picture, a whole lot of it becomes much clearer. Either that, or someone has gone entirely crazy at that company. Hmmm... I just realized, that they can be using this desparaging nonsense has a cover-up, something like a Great defense, It's so absurd that it couldn't be true....
Anyway, it's food for thought...
Sorry by the novel...
yeah the word is YET, mine wasn't touched until today too, it was wierd cause when i log in it said i had 2.31 as a balance i thought well who sent me money..lol so iwent into history to see my they did 5 chargebacks on me, i'm sorry but those son's of a b&&&& it upset me because i feel we didn't do anything wrong here no one of if this was a problem they should have told us and just acted and starting zeroing out peoples money.. it's not fair to us... But what i don't get is it says when you said money you are sending it at your own risk.. i'm sorry but they have been a lie sense the day i joined this program, that's really how i feel.
jenifer
Feb 7 2006, 04:44 PM
What Bank Does Stormpay Use??
Anyone get a cheque lately?? Which Bank is it Drawing from??
Wisconsin26
Feb 7 2006, 04:44 PM
here's something intresting i just got in my e-mail from a site i a member of.. What a crock of cr*p
Effective immediately, StormPay has just been cancelled on Surf4AdClicks. They have just gone into my account, and stolen all the money in there. According to them, they are reversing all the interest payments that 12DailyPro has paid out to their members over the last 4 or 5 months. So, they took several hundred dollars out of my account, even though it was money paid in by you, my members, for subscriptions and credit sales, as well as money earned from StormClix and other advertising. They have not reversed payments that I made to 12Daily Pro, just the ones 12DailyPro paid to me.
tonysoprano
Feb 7 2006, 04:45 PM
Scampay is at it again!!! My account has been wiped-out too!
LunaTuna
Feb 7 2006, 04:47 PM
I just received this from one of my auto-surfs:
I do not know what is going on or how true but I just heard that Storm Pay is going into members accounts and and reversing any payments anyone has received from 12DailyPro.
If this puts your accounts in the minus they are trying to collect it from your bank accounts that you have on file with them.
I do not know how true this is for everyone, but just happened to 2 of our members. One got a call from her bank notifying her, is how she found out.
Just wanted to give you guys the heads up.
tq
DDinTV
Feb 7 2006, 04:48 PM
QUOTE(FatGiant @ Feb 7 2006, 07:23 PM) [snapback]1136964[/snapback]
Hi, my account wasn't touched yet, but after reading so many posts, and witnessing this incredible thing, a crazy thought crossed my mind.
Do you remember that yesterday, they had problems with the server ? They were claiming Banned IP's, Ip's not belonging to the country, and a few other errors...
Now this... Maybe, and I mean really maybe, this is all made by Hackers. If so, they have full access to the server, and they are probably using those "chargeback" movements to cover up the real destiny of their transactions. Note that no one has had a Chargeback to one valid account, all chargebacks were made either to accounts that don't exist anymore, and to frozen accounts, were the owners can't access and verify the transactions.
All this seems so stupid and suicidal, that it just doesn't fit the picture... If they wanted to close up shop, they just would. Would just close the site, and would never be heard of. Why bother to make hundreds of false movements in hundreds of accounts ? That would only make them a bigger target, and would spur investigations by Law enforcment agencies. Ooops, a very angry Hacker would want just that....
I can't confirm my suspicions, but adding this to the picture, a whole lot of it becomes much clearer. Either that, or someone has gone entirely crazy at that company. Hmmm... I just realized, that they can be using this desparaging nonsense has a cover-up, something like a Great defense, It's so absurd that it couldn't be true....
Anyway, it's food for thought...
Sorry by the novel...
If that were the case:
1) Why hasn't Stormpay made any announcement to that effect? They at least owe us the truth.
2) It would mean that Stormpay's security was lax, and vulnerable to hacker attack, and thus would be a huge embarrassment for them.
However, I don't think it is the case. While a "motive" for hacking would probably be clear at this point, the timing is just too convenient. If hackers really wanted to get into SP and steal all of our money, they could have done so long ago, and real hackers don't need a motive other than sheer greed.
No, I think the "hackers" are inside the Stormpay/Net IBA building. I wonder if there are any Redeye flights leaving Nashville for Buenos Aires?
jenifer
Feb 7 2006, 04:51 PM
Does Anyone Know What Bank Does Stormpay Use Please ??
Anyone get a cheque lately?? Which Bank is it Drawing from??
Is It Bank Of America??
LunaTuna
Feb 7 2006, 04:53 PM
I already posted a thread on this, but for those who did not see it..........this BBB press release is listed in a link in an article that was added as breaking news at a TN newspaper's website tonight
[left]The Better Business Bureau of Middle Tennessee alerts the public to the business practices of StormPay.com of Clarksville, Tennessee. During the first six weeks of 2006, StormPay.com has generated more complaints to BBB than any other Middle Tennessee or Southern Kentucky business.
[/left]
[left]In the past seven days, BBB has received 18,926 inquiries from consumers around the world checking on the reliability of StormPay.com.
[/left]
[left]Complaints filed by consumers from around the world state that StormPay.com has frozen their online accounts and will not release funds due. StormPay.com is an online payment processor which acts as an intermediary in the processing of funds between a web site and a customer. “Since the end of January, BBB has received over 180 complaints from users of StormPay.com” says BBB President/CEO, Kathleen Calligan. “A review of complaints filed by users indicate that the company is holding in excess of $460,000” explains Calligan.
[/left]
[left]An email sent to at least one complaintant by StormPay, states in part “…should you choose to attempt to recover your funds through other means, that conduct will result in the forfeiture of any refund…”
[/left]
[left]The majority of complaints filed with BBB, concern StormPay’s freezing of accounts from users who participate in “auto-surfing” programs. An “auto-surfing” program reportedly generates money to the user every time a user visits a participating web site.
[/left]
[left]It is the position of the Better Business Bureau that auto surfing programs can post a financial risk to participants. Often “auto-surfing” programs are thinly veiled pyramid schemes cleverly devised to participants.
[/left]
[left]Due to the complaint volume, international scope of participants and amount of money involved, BBB is requesting the assistance of federal authorities for further investigation.
[/left]
CarDoc
Feb 7 2006, 04:55 PM
My account was zerod as well & all the pending wire deposits cancelled. A couple grand down the drain.
bbqgal
Feb 7 2006, 04:56 PM
QUOTE(jenifer @ Feb 7 2006, 04:51 PM) [snapback]1137177[/snapback]
Does Anyone Know What Bank Does Stormpay Use Please ??
Anyone get a cheque lately?? Which Bank is it Drawing from??
Is It Bank Of America??
Just saw a post on Talkgold collect all recent paid by SP posts. Hope this helps.
DDinTV
Feb 7 2006, 04:58 PM
Oh, this is gonna get GOOD!
Who's making the popcorn?
bonio
Feb 7 2006, 05:10 PM
Zero as well. Mine was a chargeback to alientrust. Not my doing, no email, nothing. As soon as I saw my history then the site died on me. I got
all money all communication all access to the site
Thanks for saving me from these hyip and AS scams SP Im so much better off now you
Shannon
Feb 7 2006, 05:14 PM
Mine is gone too. Every cent I had gone. And you know that the "chargebacks" did not go back to the sites.
sameday15
Feb 7 2006, 05:28 PM
I have been waiting for a payment from 24DP for over a month.
So I would not invest with them again..
I have done a ticket 5 times since the 3rd of January and I have not gotten 1 response.
It is only 52.00 which if it was paid out would go to StormScam and then they would take it...lol
Sometimes it just doesn't pay to knaw through the straps in the morning to start the day...lol
banzai
Feb 7 2006, 05:31 PM
I just closed my bank accounts and credit cards just to make sure. What a sad day. I still can't believe it.
magoo04
Feb 7 2006, 05:32 PM
Hey go by Dad n'Daves auto surf and see the message on the home page of the site to StormPay I got a big kick out of it.
Way to go David!!!
The Mighty Boosh
Feb 7 2006, 05:37 PM
QUOTE(magoo04 @ Feb 8 2006, 01:32 AM) [snapback]1137531[/snapback]
Hey go by Dad n'Daves auto surf and see the message on the home page of the site to StormPay I got a big kick out of it.
Way to go David!!!
You gotta love DnD's!!!
sameh_todary
Feb 7 2006, 05:40 PM
yes, same happened to me, they removed 129.9$ from my account to 12DailyPro
and now, I tried to go to the stormpay website but it is not loading
I think they are now doing something or maybe they have gone
cajj
Feb 7 2006, 05:43 PM
i lost $1100+!!, stormpay is very very very bad!!!
SweetGirlOf19Years
Feb 7 2006, 05:48 PM
QUOTE(sameh_todary @ Feb 8 2006, 07:10 AM) [snapback]1137609[/snapback]
yes, same happened to me, they removed 129.9$ from my account to 12DailyPro
and now, I tried to go to the stormpay website but it is not loading
I think they are now doing something or maybe they have gone
DO make sure you log out from the site If anything happens to your account they will tell u didnt log out of stormpay
godman
Feb 7 2006, 05:58 PM
The bigest scam in internet HYIP world ,, ------- STROM SCAM !!
My 4k burn !!!!
make money br
Feb 7 2006, 06:05 PM
biggest scam .. leav all this! forever! thief!
pete72
Feb 7 2006, 06:11 PM
It's a sad day when you can't trust the money exchangers. Once upon a time (sounds like a fairy tale) you could trust most people and you got screwed occasionally but now it appears it's the other way around. Never trust anyone is the moto here and that is very sad for the human race.
sameday15
Feb 7 2006, 06:12 PM
Stompay's site is not coming up!!! I even cleared out my cookies and shut down all windows but it is still not coming up...
MrsHoot
Feb 7 2006, 06:12 PM
Racerman in the autocentralcafe forum is commencing a class action lawsuit against Stormpay this coming week. Anyone interested should contact him to add their name to his list. Here is the link if you are interested in being included:
what?, chargeback to syncfund???, I lost $50 there syncfund is closing like two week ago
ecom4u
Feb 7 2006, 06:24 PM
QUOTE(sameday15 @ Feb 8 2006, 03:12 AM) [snapback]1137851[/snapback]
Stompay's site is not coming up!!! I even cleared out my cookies and shut down all windows but it is still not coming up...
I won't to know if anybody get his money back from this chargebacks.
I have a ticket i ask if i must make a claim if i won't my Money Back from several AS
No answer for 3 days !!!
No commiedment from stormpay to any user:
This is the general answer from stormpay for chargebacks.
Why did my account receive a chargeback? Chargebacks: If you receive a payment into your account which resulted from a fraudulent or chargedback transaction from the sender, the funds will be reversed from your account. Chargebacks occur mos… Read Moret commonly when a user funds by check or credit card and either does not have the funds in their checking account to cover the transaction or is using stolen financial information. Chargebacks cost us all money, and StormPay Inc. will prosecute any fraud to the fullest extent of the law. If you receive funds through a StormPay transaction funded with the sender's credit card or bank account, in the event the credit card, check, e-check, or ACH transaction is charged back, you agree to hold StormPay Inc. harmless for the reversal amount and to reimburse StormPay Inc. from either your StormPay account or by other means. Chargeback Settlement Fee. To cover the cost of processing chargebacks, StormPay assesses a $35.00 USD fee to recipients whos' product or service made cause for credit card, check, e-check, or ACH payment chargebacks. (A chargeback, or reversal, occurs when a buyer rejects or reverses a charge on his or her credit card, or the check, e-check, or ACH purchase is reversed.) StormPay is only a reseller and when these charges are charged to StormPay, StormPay must in turn charge the account at fault. StormPay may use funds held in any StormPay account owned by you to recover amounts owed to StormPay due to chargebacks or for any other reason which puts your account into a negative balance situation. (A chargeback, or reversal, occurs when a buyer rejects or reverses a charge on his or her credit card or sends NSF, or other funds not received by Stormpay check, e-check, or ach funding) In addition, funds from payments received will first be diverted to make up any negative currency balance regardless of your Payment Receiving Preferences.
Storm Sucks
ETT
Feb 7 2006, 06:26 PM
My account is also cleaned up. To be safe, I asked my bank to cancel my credit card that is associated with SP, and I urge all members to do this. Who knows what they will do next with my card number hanging in my account.
fdoe
Feb 7 2006, 06:30 PM
Update on Communications With StormPay; Joint Statement by 12DailyPro and StormPay
Attorneys for LifeClicks, LLC (the owner of 12DailyPro.com) and StormPay, Inc. have been communicating to attempt to resolve business disputes between LifeClicks and StormPay. Those discussions have been productive and useful, and are continuing. StormPay’s representatives have assured LifeClicks that StormPay is a viable company and is still open for business, and StormPay has provided assurances that it is able to cover, dollar for dollar with money in the bank, any deposits that may be held in any StormPay account. Any previous statements regarding LifeClicks’ concern or doubts about StormPay’s ability to make any necessary payments are hereby withdrawn, based on these assurances from StormPay.
StormPay and LifeClicks have been made aware of the existence of investigations into the 12DailyPro program by investigators at the FBI and the states of North Carolina and Georgia. Both StormPay and LifeClicks intend to cooperate fully in any investigation that may be ongoing.
Both StormPay and LifeClicks would appreciate your continued patience with us as we continue to work on a resolution of our current disputes and to develop a solution to restore the processing of members’ payments and reimbursements through StormPay accounts. Please understand that if members initiate a chargeback with their credit card issuers, both StormPay and LifeClicks will be liable for related chargeback fees that may be incurred. Any chargeback fees will only serve to reduce the pool of available funds to be used for refunds and reimbursements. If you have already initiated a chargeback, please contact your credit card issuer and reverse the chargeback.
Many of you will notice that payments you have received recently from 12Daily Pro have been refunded back to the LifeClicks account by StormPay. StormPay has explained that the purpose of these refunds is to attempt to secure as many funds as possible to make the widest and broadest effort to refund 12DailyPro customers that we can. LifeClicks can confirm that there are 12DailyPro funds available at StormPay, and we are working together to formulate an orderly and equitable reimbursement plan for refunding as many of you as we possibly can. We appreciate your continued patience as we work through this process.
VIG
Feb 7 2006, 06:35 PM
interesting , what about other AS programs , same thing ?!
lavieebella
Feb 7 2006, 06:38 PM
theapple
Feb 7 2006, 06:38 PM
waht can i do now?
HYIPPro
Feb 7 2006, 06:39 PM
Dear Associates,
This is a very important message. May be the most important message you have ever received.
Stormpay is a Fraud. YES, I say it again. Stormpay is a Fraud.
It appears, that there are some issues circulating the Internet about stormpay.
WELL, THEY ARE TRUE.
Stormpay is a Fraud. They are reaking havoc on many of the surf sites in an attempt to prove them illegal. Well, I dont think they (surfsites) are illegal. My reason for my thoughts are simple.
Surfsites provide a viable service of advertising to the mass public for a fee. That being the membership upgrade fee each charges their customers.
Then, of course people can ean money by being in this upgrade status of a certain percent per day. But, with absolutely no guarantees of income. Everyone understands this.
But now, stormpay believing themselves that surfing is illegal, they have now locked most, if not all, of the surfsites accounts. Millions of dollars are beyond anyones reach.
So, given that most surfsites were using stormpay, and the fact that stormpay locked their accounts, then it appears that the surfing industry is unable or unwilling to pay. But this is far from the truth.
Stormpay is the Scam here.
So, take my advice right now. Get all of your money out of stormpay. Otherwise, be assured that they will take your money as well.
I know for a fact that they do this because I awoke this morning to find my account totally exhausted of all funds. And I am not any type of website owner, just a player like you.
Stormpay has listed chargebacks on my account that I never requested against certain programs. And I am afraid they may go out and try to go deeper into any funds that were sent out.
I can only recommend you to consider what I am saying here. But, if I were you, I would dump stormpay immediately and move on. Otherwise, they will eventually hit you as well.
I was never a believer that stormapy was a problem. As many of my associates continually told me to watch out. But I didn't listen. And now, all I can say is I wish I had. They have stolen all of my money.
So do the smart thing before it is too late.
Go figure, they even allowed me to advertise on their own stormclix. Taking many thousands of dollars in income just from me. Imagine how much money they earned off of the many thousands of ads that were listed on stomclix over the weeks.
Well, I'll let the lawyers do the dirty work here.
I wish you well and hope you take heed. Spread the word if you trust me. If not, just dont allow them to get into you.
Best Regards,
hyippro
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OMG?? They've ruined me now!! I might have to go get a real job? This has cost me almost $20k!!!
I've got $6k sitting in 12daily & AT....betcha I'll never see that? 
I've never heard of scampay until I joined the hyip game in Dec hey I still got $1 in my account cant believe its still there someone mention they are probably doing this to give the autosurfs their money back now thats funny
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all money
What a sad day. 
I still can't believe it. 
