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QUOTE(Dudley @ Feb 7 2006, 09:57 PM) [snapback]1135760[/snapback] The thing is, they're taking money from people that aren't even involved in auto-surfs............ Why are they doing it so openly. Surely they could leave our balances as they are and then sneak off in the night? QUOTE(Bernadette @ Feb 7 2006, 03:55 PM) [snapback]1135748[/snapback] my account has also been wiped down to 0. My pending wd's cancelled...and six different chargebacks to my account!  I have immediately closed all my bank accounts. And cancelled all my cc's that were in StormPay's database. Not taking any chances here. This is so awful....it should be outlawed!! Is it really legal for them to do this???? MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MY CC COMPANY IS THEY CAN'T DO THIS.
They nailed me too
 Im sure 5dayfunds account is really still there 
the same here !!!!! they canceled my 900$ withdrawal, and chargedbck 450$ !!!!
are they nuts? Doogie QUOTE(Wisconsin26 @ Feb 7 2006, 04:58 PM) [snapback]1135775[/snapback] MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MY CC COMPANY IS THEY CAN'T DO THIS. well seems like they just did QUOTE(Dudley @ Feb 7 2006, 04:57 PM) [snapback]1135760[/snapback] The thing is, they're taking money from people that aren't even involved in auto-surfs............ they are taking money from those have withdraws pending. i put money in a lot of surfing sites but why was i charged back the exact amount of my pending withraws? hmmm
Those greedy
, not only do they want our investment, they also want our earnings as well.
QUOTE(doogie_at @ Feb 7 2006, 02:00 PM) [snapback]1135792[/snapback] the same here !!!!! they canceled my 900$ withdrawal, and chargedbck 450$ !!!! are they nuts? Doogie the same here chargedback 350$ from my account to 12dailypro 
Memphis, TN FBI, people have been calling them this afternoon
901-747-4300 The leaf Chronicle, the Clarksville, TN newspaper who has already run two articles on sp this past Sun, and Mon, and even sent a reporter out there this past Sat 931-552-1808 The Leaf Chronicles contact form via email http://www.theleafchronicle.com/apps/pbcs....STOMERSERVICE03
I need to comment here, that some people on this forum seem to be smoking crack.
IMO, if Scampay was doing this to unlock the autosurf accounts, I would think a communication would be in order. It is not good business practice in any climate to do something that affects the balance of a financial account without making notification. In fact, it is illegal. Have you ever overdwarn your account at the bank and had the overdraft fee charged to your account? I bet you received a notice either via mail or e-mail, depending on your account config? Why do you suppose they do that? It's the law. One of the perks of where I work is that legal services are provided to me free of charge. I spent over 3 hours in the lawyers office this morning, where 3 or the 4 partners spent the better part of 2 of those hours reading this forum, and conducting their own independent research. As a result of what they discovered, based on case law, I sent another ticket to ScamPay just this morning, and I recommend (as my lawyers recommended to me) you do the same: --- Begin Ticket --- Re: Bank account ending in 3449 Effective immediately, 3:30 pm CST 02/07/2006, as sole owner of this account, I hereby revoke authorization for StormPay to initiate any transfers to or from this account. Any transfers to or from this bank account are done in direct violation of your own policy as I hereby officially revoke consent to allow StormPay access to this account. Furthurmore, I hereby request that this bank account be removed from my StormPay profile, as well as having the account information removed completely from your records. I require a confirmation response within 24 hours notifying me that: A) The account information has been removed from my StormPay profile, and B) The account information has been removed completely from the StormPay system. Failure to provide notification within 24 hours will result in legal action being brought against your company for, among other things, unlawful possession of personal banking information. Thank you. --- End Ticket --- We'll see what happens. My lawyer did tell me to call them no later than 3pm tomorrow to advise if I had received confirmation of the account removal. Me thinks they are serious about taking this on. The funny thing is that 2 of the lawyers spent about 45 minutes each (combined 1.5 hrs) attempting to actually contact ANY HUMAN at SP. They called the Middle Tennessee BBB, several other contacts (including lawyers there in Clarksville) and discovered that it is all but impossible to actually talk to a human. In my lawyers terminology, they call it a smokescreen. I believe these guys are ready to take this on, especially when I mentioned that it's AT LEAST half a billion dollars that is being disputed, just from two autosurfs. And that's only what has been made publicly available from the owners of these two autosurfs. They asked me to speculate on how much I think may be tied up in the whole thing, my guess was close to 1 billion dollars. They suggested it's more than that. They also asked if I knew anyone else who was having this trouble. My response was that with at least 1 billion dollars on the line, there are a LOT of people involved. He suggested that I maybe start collecting names and e-mail addresses in the event a class-action suit is brought. I will wait to hear from him tomorrow before I do this, but tonight, in anticipation of doing this, I will create the web page and install the e-mail collection software so whoever wishes to sign up can. Then in the event a suit is brought, it will be easy to contact anyone who is interested in pursuing this issue. Stay tuned....
What I want to know is how they can be doing chargebacks to sites that don't even exist anymore!! I had a $110 chargeback to Luxury-HYIP. They also cancelled THREE cashouts dating back to the middle of last week so obviously they never intended on honoring them anyways. I went from thinking I was getting $450 out of the whole deal from cashing out my Stormpay account to now having nothing including the $20 still sitting in my account. F
ck rs
Yeah That's what I wanted to say to them
Thanks 
Does someone know if it is possible to chargeback from SP when used CC.
QUOTE(toofan123 @ Feb 7 2006, 04:03 PM) [snapback]1135810[/snapback] well seems like they just did yup i know and they are going to reget doing it too..because they are going to be in HUGE trouble. my CC company wanted to know why this scam isn't on national tv..... QUOTE(Lindon @ Feb 7 2006, 04:54 PM) [snapback]1135735[/snapback] I find this the most plausable theory so far - if they're going to run off why not just run? or am I not using my brain? Me too. As so far all of my charge backs they took today match up with previous payments recieved. QUOTE(Perpette @ Feb 7 2006, 04:19 PM) [snapback]1135945[/snapback] Me too. As so far all of my charge backs they took today match up with previous payments recieved. mine too thats why this isn't making any sense..
they chargedback syncfunds, 12dailypro and stormgold... that's insane, and for sure not legal!
I'd like to know if one of these really received the money... don't think so... Doogie
I hate how they do things without announcing them first. I'm glad the company is run by smart people.
How can they do this, is there nobody looking over their shoulders
Charging back without refunding. F**ckers QUOTE(Wisconsin26 @ Feb 7 2006, 05:21 PM) [snapback]1135970[/snapback] mine too thats why this isn't making any sense.. The only thing that would make it make sense to me is if they were back tracking all payments paid out by these account to then turn around and issue refunds for payments made to them from us. They cant look at a payment we recieve and just "know" what is profit or not, and can not just issue refunds while leaving us with the profits made as well. Either way I got rid of the cc info and will call the bank first thing in the morning when they open. Really wishing I would have logged in earlier now 
they did like four chargebacks against me. Lucky that i left nothing in my account, and i just cancelled my checking account today too. Knew it would happen since they gave me a bounced check
My bank just closed and I can't do anything until tomorrow. They tell me I have to physically go to the branch and close or freeze my account. This SUCKS THE BIG ONE!!!
LoL what a thieves :/
I ask for a withdrawal via debit card but was cancelled cos they did chargeback to 12dailypro. Thus it zero out...
It's been my experience w/ these
ers that it takes about 3-4 days for them to request funds from your account. Is that the same for you guys?QUOTE(uangdollar @ Feb 7 2006, 11:00 AM) [snapback]1134084[/snapback] 8,501,728 07/Feb/2006 12:45 Charge Back Complete To stormpay@bustabank.com $-32.00 - $-32.00 8,501,727 07/Feb/2006 12:45 Charge Back Complete To stormpay@bustabank.com $-32.00 - $-32.00 8,501,726 07/Feb/2006 12:45 Charge Back Complete To stormpay@bustabank.com $-32.00 - $-32.00 8,501,725 07/Feb/2006 12:45 Charge Back Complete To stormpay@bustabank.com $-32.00 - $-32.00 8,501,724 07/Feb/2006 12:45 Charge Back Complete To stormpay@bustabank.com $-250.00 - $-250.00 8,501,723 07/Feb/2006 12:45 Charge Back Complete To admin@12dailypro.com $-10.08 - $-10.08 so the $$$ goes back to Bustabank & 12dp. But they already closed 12dp accounts. So stormpay took all $$$ from 12dp and the surfers. So now they got twice the money? What's going on?  They charged back to me too. so I closed the account. I just remembered that I didn't invest in syncfunds so how can they charge back me. Therefore it's illegal. What's syncfunds? I don't know. Is it still around?
Cleared out ME AND MY G/F's account...
QUOTE(RoleConfusion @ Feb 8 2006, 08:29 AM) [snapback]1136035[/snapback] they did like four chargebacks against me. Lucky that i left nothing in my account, and i just cancelled my checking account today too. Knew it would happen since they gave me a bounced check how long did it take you to find out the cheque had bounced? i have recieved a cheque about 30 minutes ago from scampay for $691 & was going to put it in the bank in an hours time when they open. Our banks been really good with us & wave the 28 day waiting period for international chqs making the money available immediately so im really wary about it bouncing.
I submitted a ticket yesterday about how to get my funds back but got no reply.
Today I checked my account which was zeroed, so I added to my ticket, asking why. The reply was : QUOTE Currently there are multiple ongoing investigations concerning 12dailypro and other "auto-surf" sites, and the possible victims of these "businesses". StormPay is not free to comment on the details of these investigations but is proactively working with investigators to expedite the investigations and ultimately the return of purchasers monies. Until such time as the investigations are complete, the merchants funds have been frozen to insure the integrity and safe handling of the funds. At this time, StormPay executives continue to receive many threats from members of 12dailypro.com and other auto surf sites. Members who continue to harass and threaten only cause delays for all parties concerned as arrests will be made for these actions. As threats continue, investigations and final resolution will be delayed. ABC News has done three segments on 12 Daily Pro. All three segments can be found at the link listed below. Scroll through the links on the right side of the video screen to choose those news articles: http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=36003 Thank you. 
QUOTE(ANGRY BLACK MAN GETTING PAID @ Feb 7 2006, 04:35 PM) [snapback]1136075[/snapback] It's been my experience w/ these ers that it takes about 3-4 days for them to request funds from your account. Is that the same for you guys?yup and they didn't even send the checks the day they were proccessed either i got mine 5 days later. They did a process and sent it 2 days later.. i normally got a check in 3 days but the last two were taking about a week to get here...and the processing took 4 days.. kinda seemed odd to me
Cleared my account too.
Horrible stuff. My SP account 0 balance....SCAM!
QUOTE(MrsHoot @ Feb 7 2006, 03:46 PM) [snapback]1135085[/snapback] I've held my tounge for too long now, I've sat back quitely and waited for all the dust to settle but I just checked on my withdraw request and they did the same thing to me! My withdraw request was apprently canceled, my account has been zeroed out and funds were sent to 12 DP under chargeback!!! 12DP still owes me money and now SP has just given them more of my money - this is insane!!!! Stormpay isn't giving your money to anyone.....they're pocketing it themselves. This is just a signal of the final desparate implosion of Stormpay, and in my opinion, it can't happen soon enough! I give SP about two weeks before they shut down completely (and that's being generous).
Me too
I deleted my credit card details the other day - hoping not to get chargebacks on that.
Interesting turn of events for me - I opened two tickets w/
SP a few hours ago - 1) because they wiped my account out and I want an explaination and 2) to request they remove my bank account info (already deleted the CC info online but for bank account you have to use their ticket system to request account removal) Anyway - after seeing the post below I decided to modify my 2nd ticket to include the additional verbiage and GUESS WHAT - the 2nd ticket had been deleted!!!!! I suggest everyone request (via their ticket system) your account info to be removed using the example below, then log on later to make sure they don't delete your request, too!!! Make sure to include the last 4 digits of your account number and update the date and time you send it - do it for your own protection G D F ing SP :QUOTE(dcavern @ Feb 7 2006, 05:08 PM) [snapback]1135860[/snapback] --- Begin Ticket --- Re: Bank account ending in XXXX Effective immediately, 3:30 pm CST 02/07/2006, as sole owner of this account, I hereby revoke authorization for StormPay to initiate any transfers to or from this account. Any transfers to or from this bank account are done in direct violation of your own policy as I hereby officially revoke consent to allow StormPay access to this account. Furthurmore, I hereby request that this bank account be removed from my StormPay profile, as well as having the account information removed completely from your records. I require a confirmation response within 24 hours notifying me that: A) The account information has been removed from my StormPay profile, and B) The account information has been removed completely from the StormPay system. Failure to provide notification within 24 hours will result in legal action being brought against your company for, among other things, unlawful possession of personal banking information. Thank you. --- End Ticket --- QUOTE(DDinTV @ Feb 7 2006, 04:48 PM) [snapback]1136160[/snapback] Stormpay isn't giving your money to anyone.....they're pocketing it themselves. This is just a signal of the final desparate implosion of Stormpay, and in my opinion, it can't happen soon enough! I give SP about two weeks before they shut down completely (and that's being generous). Before they do what National broadcasting system should we use to put these thiefs on national tv? To show people and tell people what sp really is? here's MSNBC's if anyone is intrested, i would but not sure what to say.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10285339/
My account to is zero & my withdrawal to debit card was cancelled....
Seeing Im zero'ed I will probably just delete the whole
SP account all together....
lol now which link do we all click on, on the msnbc site, to respond about these scampay doings.
i think everyone should be doing this if you want to take action instead of moaning about it, waiting for someone to do something when most probably they are scamming you as well cher
Whoever said they get the free lawyers helping them. You should really inform them that if they started a class action lawsuit and charges a measly 5% that law firm could make MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars. Id gladly help you with anything I can. dunshster@yahoo.com
QUOTE(bandi @ Feb 7 2006, 02:48 PM) [snapback]1136166[/snapback] Me too I deleted my credit card details the other day - hoping not to get chargebacks on that.right so did i so i dare them to take anything from me cause im waitin on'em to file for fraud
I think it might be time for SP to be moved to the scam section.
For what it may be worth, I have just filed a complaint at the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3).
http://complaint.ic3.gov/ I hope many will do the same. These people must be stopped right now! Jan
With all the trouble that has been going on with stormpay i decided to pull some funds to my debit
card. After it pending for 3 days I e-mailed them to ask how long it would take to be transfered. Later today i checked to see if there was a reply to my ticket. SURPRISE There was no reply to my ticket and my entire account had been cleaned out! The reason given was charge back to the Admin@12daily. There is no reason 12daily would be lookin to me for a charge back as they have about a thousand of my money hangin ou there. Things are really wierd. This occurred february 7 2006 ps. I am glad deleted the credit card from the stormpay account or who knows what would have happend. QUOTE(jpatia @ Feb 7 2006, 05:06 PM) [snapback]1136330[/snapback] lol now which link do we all click on, on the msnbc site, to respond about these scampay doings. i think everyone should be doing this if you want to take action instead of moaning about it, waiting for someone to do something when most probably they are scamming you as well cher MSNBC Investigates maybe that one, i'm sure they will be more then willing to do some investagation on these crooks.
lol
 I've never heard of scampay until I joined the hyip game in Dec hey I still got $1 in my account cant believe its still there someone mention they are probably doing this to give the autosurfs their money back now thats funny
I was the one that posted re: free access to legal representation.
Please DO NOT post your e-mail address to this forum. You will only receive spam as a result of doing so. I will advise URL if and when class-action signup comes to fruition. I just got off the phone with my lawyer (again)...At their suggestion, I send via Snailmail a request to dispute the funding I sent SP via CC. Hopefully my CC company will respond in a positive manner, hopefully since the request in on legal letterhead, it may carry more weight. I spoke about some of the suggestions being made on this board like closing the SP account alltogether. My attorney made a good point. If you close the account, you have absolutely -ZERO- chance of recovering your funds. That is an inviation for SP to keep your funds, legitimately. If there is no record of your e-mail address in their system when they try to pay you...anyway, it's similiar to a 401k forfiture, based on the laws that govern SP, which, BTW, are NOT the same regs that govern your bank. Even if you close your Sp account and they chargeback, technically you are still responsible for the debt. It's in their terms. As my lawyers picked apart their terns paragraph by paragraph. He advised me that just by looking over their TOS and checking the specific laws covering money transfer, they are in violation of several statutes governing the money transfer business. THEIR OWN WORDS in THEIR OWN TERMS conflict with established law that governs their industry. It doesn't look good for Sp at this point. So those of you thinking of closing your account in fear of a chargeback, it won't help. And the point my lawyer made, let's assume for a half a second they ARE legitimately trying to fix it, you'd be screwed if you close your account (which, he added, is probably what they are hoping for!) As he called me, it does look like a class action will be brought against SP. Even if they are legit and are working to iron out these issues, they failed in several areas, one of the major ones being the lack of communication with their members when making adjustments to their accounts. So even if these problems are ironed out, they still have to answer for these unauthorized and non-notified adjustments. Never mind the intangible result of stress, worry (legal term: mental fatigue) and don't forget all those people who are going to be late paying other bills because of this. Interest, late fees, etc. All this can be recovered via class-action. In my attorneys words, "the late fees and finance charges are piddly, in a class-action suit the mental anguish is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow." Stay tuned....
This is ridiculous, please post the programs corresponding with the chargebacks, for me it's only been 12DP.
If these chargebacks eventually involve Investing4Profits I'll be fvcked out of $8,000.
Incredible...
Why the **** did strompay chargeback everything to Alien trust ?  those two red was too ( se attach) was FROM 12 Dp and they were paid to Alien trust? LOL:.... OMG...I had it.. I'm calling FBI, BBB and CIA...
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