I didn't go to the call and I didn't listen to any recording.

I am only saying what I've seen based on experience and the last 90 days lifespan of the program.

They can decrease cycling time for a short period of time so maybe that's what they are referring to, anways I don't know what they are referring to but I know what I am referring to.

In the long term cycling time can only increase and it has been increasing in the past 90 days. Period.

Note : By the way, I am not saying that they are misleading people, I can only read that in your posts and not mine.

i have cycled today 2 time level 1
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Created : 14 Jun 2012 00:32 Status : Completed 10 Jul 2012 07:31


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Could you let us know the time stamp. Was it at 10 am tgp time or 10:30 am tgp time. Thx.

yep just before 10am tgp time

Your quote:


July 6 - 539xxx to 559xxxxx
July 7 - 559xxxx to 579xxxx
July 8 - 579xxxxx to 599xxxx
July 9 - 599xxxx to 619xxxx
July 10 - 619xxxx to 639xxxx


Today, we're around 60xxxxxxx

If we're cycling @ 200,000 per day - shouldn't we be at 62xxx PLUS today?

As for cycle TIME stamp - I don't take that into consideration - since the cycles are put through MANUALLY - so they have a different time stamp every day when they go through, depending on when the program worked on the system - or was taking a break.

No, Stros is doing right by mentioning the increase in cycle times - at least that will prepare new members before they enter to check their wallets and see what and how they can manage their accounts/subs better.

As for TGP Admins, I'm sure they have our best interest in mind - and hopefully they WILL HONOR their statements and DECREASE the cycle times and get them back to 14 days at least!

I predict tgp will still be stand and paying.. maybe not as much, but still paying,...long after all the copy cats are pisssing in the wind.

Latest Matrix Created Matrix #24640758
Created : 10 Jul 2012 11:20 Status : Incompleted

They specifically mentioned that they were going to accelerate cycle times.

One thing that they stated again, the 90 days - which is not really going to happen. It's going to take a lot longer than 90 days. That part of their statement is incorrect.

Being a number crunching idiot (Math teacher) I check the site several times a day along with my site at a similar program, BUT not all people should be checking things DAILY or even WEEKLY. If you do not have the correct 'mental' make up, you might drive yourself CRAZY. If you get preoccupied with how often a particular sub cycles you will go NUTS, this is not a short term program (unless you got in within the first few hours or so and congrats to those leaders, of which I am NOT one) but it could be a GREAT program for everyone no matter when you got in. The key is for people to understand the proper funding required per sub. Just fund it to the correct levels, leave it alone, and give it a chance to do its magic but "if you watch the water in the pot every second, it might never boil". The 'proper' funding everyone should be talking about (per sub) is way TOO LOW from what I hear most people on this forum suggesting and MLM*GURU is correct on that issue (but not all of his points). I think it is leading some people into a false sense of security and looking for things to happen too quickly. If people have a clearer picture of the BIG picture (long term view for about 6 months) and understand the PROPER amount with which to fund a sub, I think everyone would be a lot happier. We need to be patient for a few months and let this opportunity start to work, it has only been 3 months so far and things are looking well enough from what I can see and we all realize that the 90 day calculator has to simply be forgotten. The PROPER funding not only has to be enough to reach your first cycle date but also additional funding is required because you will NOT cycle every day in the beginning. So, what is the real amount we should be suggesting for PROPER funding? Nobody knows for sure, it is really too early to nail down that answer precisely, but I am recommending 95 per sub and i might raise that to over 100 by the end of the week. some may consider that TOO CONSERVATIVE but i do it so as not to stress over this cycling thing on a daily basis. And, just in case you have not done a spreadsheet, ONE sub for 95 will yield you a nice profit in a few short months. What is a nice profit? different to everyone of course, but I will keep those income 'potential' discussions off of this thread. Happy cycling to all.

Well, I can tell you that I've only done matrices in the #600xxxx and so far, it's stopped a third way through my matrices/subs - next to go through are 61xxxxx - so, I'll see what happens by the end of the day.

I'm with you on the "increase cycle times". I've seen what's been happening.

We're at July 10 today, since we're still cycling June 14 - that makes it 23 days for cycling.

Back in May, we were cycling @ 10 days

It then increased to 14 days.

They told us that they're going to speed up the cycle times now (in about 2-3 days or so). Hopefully that'll happen and we get back on track.

As for the "90 days" - I'm sure you've checked your Level 5's by now and have seen that's NOT the case.

If they wanted to speed up cycle times - they can do that very easily. They have the "angel" positions from all the default accounts and the "non compliance" accounts. Lots and lots of "angels" from there - and they're still manually working the cycles, so they should at least bring us up to date - we know that we're days off from where we should be today.

June 14 is 7 days matrix/cycles - 6 days from down-time/issues/DDOS attacks/script problems etc. If they wanted to make it right, they should have cycled those positions in ONE DAY - and left the remainder ONE day from June 14 to cycle the next day. In other words, they should have cycled June 14 in TWO DAYS TOTAL. We're now 5 days in and still going through that day - and ADD ONE MORE day with no cycling on June 9.

" Every day X amount of matrices leaves the matrix. "

For X amount of matrices to leave the matrix, 4X matrices must enter matrix.

So yes it gets wider because it takes new positions for others to leave and the fact is that 1 position entering does not push 2 positions out, the other way around. 4 new positions entering the matrix will kick 1 position out.
Thus the matrix will get wider and wider over time and as we've seen in the past months the cycling time gets longer.

Anyone that joins through my referral link right now, I would tell them to fund for at least 45-60 days to see their first cycle.

Lol. My matrix 5431xxx cycled at 5pm on July 6th (I was wrong by 2 hours), and my matrix 5463xxx cycled at 7pm on July 6th as I predicted. At the time it looked like we are cycling 9500 positions per hour. I have since taken back down to 8500 per hour for my projections. Which is a far cry from 4166 positions per hour that you would have to be cycling if you were doing 100,000 positions per day.

As it happens I have a matrix at 6200xxx, which I expect to cycle today between 3-4pm tgp time. I will let you know the result.

I understand that you can speed up the cycles with the Angels but if you put let's say 1,000,000 Angel positions into the system right now, all at once, it will definitely give everyone a boost but all those joining after the 1,000,000 Angel injection will have to wait even longer to complete their first cycle because they would have an additional 1,000,000 positions in front of them.

I think we agree on most thing at the moment.

They still pay really fast though.

I also agree with the maths teacher, people come in with the wrong expectations and thats mainly why we are having these discussions and as you point out because of what they promised on their website.

According to what you said, they said on the last conference call the 90 days thinggie isn't valid anymore, at least people can't stop thinking that out of the blue they would start getting $44 daily just for being a member for 90 days.

Correct and Agree on most points.

Checking in on our accounts could be exciting - check on our accounts to make sure the numbers add up and our e-wallet is funded is doing our due diligence.

Asking questions when something needs to be asked - means we're interested in our venture. NOT receiving responses to our queries - leads to suspicion. We're adults - and as such, we shouldn't put blind faith into something/someone, especially when this involved our livelihood.

Wise words - JB - fund your account, buy your subs - and watch them grow - be patient. I do agree - although patience is a virtue that some humans may not possess for long periods of time

Now - if you listened to the conference, the "90 DAYS" was mentioned AGAIN. In which case, many NEW members and some members who CONTINUE to believe that their cash will turn them into millionaires (or whatever), in 90 AFTER they get into the program, should be warned or at least informed, that that is NOT the case. They will need to be patient for a lot longer before they can retire.

Yu, I don't take note of the times. Most days, my subs/cycles only go through once - other days, I'll have a bunch go through early morning and some late at night.

Let me know when you cycle #62xxxxx - I've got several in there too. Still waiting for the #61xxxxxx yet!

Trying to fully understand the program here, my first matrix 10177xxx was created on June 20th , does this then follow that it will be another 19 or 20 days until it cycles Level 1 if we are doing 8500 positions an hour?

thanks for any help

I'm seeing where you're coming from - and I agree.

Actually, the "90 days" is still being "promised" in the last conference - unless I'm totally having a black-out moment! If you get time, go listen to it and let me know. If that's the case, they seriously need to change that.

I do recall several weeks ago - when someone came up with a spreadsheet that's being passed around the net. Everyone believed that in 90 days from the day they bought their first sub/position, they could retire in 90 days - and MOST members still believe that - and if you tell them otherwise, be ready to get kicked! They won't take that kind of talk. Also, I think the Admins need to re-evaluate their suggestion of $60 per sub. It's not enough at the moment to sustain a sub.

My last to cycle

Cycled at 11:40 AM TGP time

Matrix #6161***

I have matrix Matrix #6179xxx and it has NOT cycled yet. Just FYI.

My last cycle was the following:

Matrix #5864923
Created : 14 Jun 2012 00:29 Status : Completed 08 Jul 2012 21:00

Thats not true. My level 1 matrixes and are between 300,000 - 450,000 numbers apart and the have been cycling every other day.

You should cycle today very soon ladytrader ... I also have a few subs at the 6180*** range that should cycle later today after you...

[quote name='MLMxGURU' date='Jul 10 2012, 08:48 AM' post='7106807']
Yu, I don't take note of the times. Most days, my subs/cycles only go through once - other days, I'll have a bunch go through early morning and some late at night.

Let me know when you cycle #62xxxxx - I've got several in there too. Still waiting for the #61xxxxxx yet!
[/quote
Guru it is obvious that subs which are deducted every day to create level one matrix do not cycle every day at the level one matrix or at the time they were deducted. This is why you need to look at the number of positions being cycled per hour or day to have a very good understanding when your position will cycle, and being able to correctly project how much money you will need for this sub before it cycles. Take the number of your newest created matrix and divide by number of positions cycled daily to get how many days you will need to fund it for. The number you get should be the worst case scenario, since the number of cycles per hour should in theory be increasing with time as larger number of angels comes back into the system, thus decreasing your initial estimated number of days needed to cycle. This should hold true if the system does not have any more glitches. Big if. But if you do not have the correct number cycled per day, you also can not make a correct estimate.

Following this system so closely might seem crazy to some. But if you need to know your exact cycling times for the next few days in order to estimate if you need to fund your e-wallet, it is not crazy at all. For many of us this is the first program we have participated in, and many of us find that we are still having to add more money into this system (above the 60$ per sub), as all the glitches happened. My first sub was purchased May 27th. I agree that people joining today will need much more per sub.

By the way I have $5 in my account left. I started May 29 and funded with $65. I have a friend who started June 17, funded with $60 and is down to $6. The last time he cycled was June 30 and his next cycle # is Matrix #707xxxx. So it is crunch time for him and really for me also. I really do not have any more funds to add.

MLMxGURU, I'm curious about something.

I've noticed you've mentioned several times that they are cycling these matrices
manually? Can you tell me why you would think that? To me, that would be a near impossible task.

I've read back through everything they've sent & the only thing I can find that they've stated they WERE doing manually was processing the payments to STP when STP was having those glitches.

Where did I miss this?

One thing I know is more people are taking the non sponsoring route, and these are the same people complaining that the program is moving to slow (or they're saying my subs are not self sustaining).

If you want it to move faster start sponsoring. plus those referral bonuses definitely have made me reach the point where my account was sustaining itself much quicker.

At the end of the day this is a business, and how we represent it will affect future growth. So if you want things to speed up either start paying it forward to some folks, buy more subs, or get ready to start advertising!

Since July 8 at 00:00 to July 10 at 07:32, 315,739 positions have cycled. I will have to see how much faster they are going now from today till tomorrow. That was my sponsor's account.

Still waiting on 617xxxx, and when it cycles 314,785 positions will have cycled from June 8, 21:00

You math people have got me going crazy on this now.

Hello

For your information I just checked my records and find that at 12:45 matrix 6167416 would have cycled.

Well, according to your numbers - we should be finished with June 14 today

[quote name='2Success' date='Jul 10 2012, 09:39 AM' post='7106868']
Hello

Hello

For your information I just checked my records and find that at 12:45 server time matrix 6167416 would have cycled.

At 00:00 on the 10th the last cycle was 5947877. So with the make up of matrix that did not cycle yesterday a total of 219539 matrix have cycled so far today.

Looks like a great day to me.

Jason Hall said the cycle time will decrease means to me they will cycle faster.

Have a great day

Although I would agree with your thoughts, I have stopped sponsoring for now. I've followed the rule that you don't sponsor into something you haven't either proven yourself or been recommended to by those who have proven it. TGP was my exception & I was sponsoring. Now I've put a stop to that as I cannot with any good conscience sponsor into something that I can't at LEAST tell them some semi reasonable info on how much money to fund with, among other things.

There are still things stated on the site that are NOT reliable for right now. Not saying it won't get back to that but it's not there.

You are correct, this is a business and it's how we represent it that also gives us reliability to those that trust and follow us. I can't find a solid way to represent it at this moment - not yeah or nay.

Still a big hurdle when the subs that were all thrown into June 29 start to cycle. Could take many days again.

Not at all against sponsoring as that's the name of the game, but I prefer to do it fairly. (at least in my own mind)

STILL holding out & hoping this goes back to working as intended. NONE of us will know that until we're past cycling through all the previous glitches.

RH, by "manually", I don't mean punching one matrix/position at a time. You can punch in a sequence of numbers that you want to cycle for the day/hour, at the specific time you give it to cycle those.

Also - looks like the sub deductions are also on manual - if they were on auto, they'd be deducted at the time that they were bought (as it used to be when the program was first launched before the glitches begun. The subs would be taken out of our account at EXACTLY the date/time they were bought every 24 hours).

If the system was working automatically, then cycling wouldn't be taking a day off on holidays

Before all these issues/server moves etc. it used to be very easy to keep track.

All we did was look at the date our matrix/position was created and we knew when those positions would cycle. Maybe it will get back to that after the June 14 matrix debacle we're going through right now.

You forget how many sponsors lost money AND future referrals when they were paying for advertizing and the only thing they got in return was grief - when referrals would click the TGP link for DAYS and got an empty page staring at them.

Many people were very disillusioned and quite pisssed off because they thought sponsors were doing a number on them and sending them to look at a dead site.

Then there's the other sponsors - who DO want to PIF and put family members in - but who don't want to suffer a backlash when "patience" starts to seep in and they have to deal with the nagging - and never-ending piffing.

Until this program gets to working as promised and as advertized - it's natural to want to wait and see how it goes before getting yourself in a jam and feeling responsible for something that's out of your control.

P.S. (Edit) - This program also promised that you do NOT need any referrals to sustain it - "Angels" are approx. 70% of the program. You can make it on your own. If that's NOT the case - then TGP needs to state it loud and clear!

Finally I cycled again the 2nd time. Hope all is well with TGP moving forward....

We need over 400,000 cycles to make up for ZERO cycles yesterday. We need more than that to say that we've had a cycle speed up. If we HAVE got a speed up - then we should be clearing/cycling all through 62xxxxxxx today if not more.

Matrix number?time?

I want to start off by saying that I love TGP and do think it will pick back up even though cycling has stoped for me and is only happening every 3 days. I have to address the bolded part's this was and is still advertised on the main page as something the requires no sponsoring so dont blame the people for not sponsoring balme to site for stating that they dont have to.

Great statements which I totally agree with!

I had #6055781 cycle at 7:45 TGP time (8:45 EST). Looks like we're now cycling 22,327 per hour. Over the past week, or so, I had us cycling 8,500 - 9,500 per hour as well.

Thanks for the clarification

And yes, if it was automatically, subs would be added when they are paid for.

Just a note - I signed up on 6/14 & purchased 4 subs, one right after the other in the course of minutes.
BUT one is in there as purchased on 6/14, 2 on 6/15 and the last one on 6/16. Looks to me as if it would be impossible to purchase a group on the same day.

If this holds up I should cycle my 634xxxx subs before midnight - that would be a good thing! I'll be back on that.

Four days ago, before the latest glitch, my projections for cycling matrix 6200xxx were for it to cycle today 7/10 at 7pm (calculating at approximately 8500 cycles per hour). I revised that time this morning after matrix 6155 cycled around 10am, projecting 6200xxx to cycle around 3-4pm (+/- 1 hour). If matrix 6200xxx cycles anytime before 7pm we have not lost any cycling with the latest glitch. If it cycles after 7 pm, we have. If it cycles before 7 pm, the number of matrices cycled per hour has increased, and we have accelerated the cycling.

We will see later today.

can anyone post matrix cycle with server time?

Matrix #617xxxx cycled
Created : 14 Jun 2012 00:35 Status : Completed 10 Jul 2012 14:00

Next one is 649, so looks like I am in for another 2 days wait. Unless they cycle 315,000 in one day.

Just to correct your assumption that we have 400000 from the end of July 9 at 5947877.

Let me give you the figure from July 8 at 23:59.59 the number was 5884184 to now Matrix #6171770

Created : 14 Jun 2012 00:35 Status : Completed 10 Jul 2012 13:35

so far 287586 have been processed leaving 112414 to meet the 200000 per day

Do you think it may cycle that by 23:59:59

Maybe or close