+1... This is really annoying that we still can't use that e-wallet.

I am a little confused. You are paying for NxPay? How? Why? I filled out all the info when I was requested to but I am not paying for it. Don't see how they can get my money anyways.

--Jerry--

They have my bank info from when I signed up. I'm being charged.

There is one thing people need to learn is PATIENCE.

anyone getting Problem to Access site ?

I am Getting since half hour

I can log on, no problem deep4u.

Hmm i think my Isp has been blocked buy there DDos protection :no idea:

send me your username and password and I can do your ad until it is corrected, if need be.

I agree with you. I think that they often get way ahead of themselves by announcing certain things and then taking far too long to implement them. I think they need to keep things hush hush until they are sure they will be able to deliver.

cant login here

Agree 100%!!!

"...a competent communications director is needed..."

I deleted my bank account info until they are up and running for withdrawals. So far I haven't been charged or notified of any charges. I am curious though whether or not it will cost more than receiving a check. As diamond, there is no check processing fee, but with nxpay there is $1.50 per transaction and $2 a month maintenance, it might be better to keep getting the check in the mail.

I can log in by myself. Keep trying bro.

Neither can I! Almost for 5 hours!
Cant believe it...

Always check www.zeekrewardsnews.com.

http://zeekrewardsnews.com/2012/04/intermi...es-zeekrewards/

This a an alternative for posting ads when the site is temporarily down.

https://www.zeekler.com/zrmirror/

I try to have a little patience when these things happen. Never before have I made so much money in a business with so little effort. These challenges are the price of doing business online. We all know that.

Site is up for me, by the way. But down for some.

I've already read it but anyway ,thanks Julie!

It has been down for me like more than 10 hours ... first time having this experience. should come back soon.Thanks

in-accessible for me too at the moment...

You r absolutely right Julie. One should have patience & certain amount of trust in online business. Site is up for me after waiting for 14 hrs.

conference call is on right now.... +1765697676 code 223177

...with Peter Mingles get on now

yes julie -- it's true. inspite of all the major challenges & transition zeek had to go through -- they have done a good job- not perfect but a very good job.

anyway julie hi i have not received my check yet -- my backoffice shows it was processed last 4/16/12. i already sent a support ticket -- am just a bit concerned because i needed the money. is it better to cashout money via check or via STP or AP -- just to avoid any mail thefts... your suggestions will be of great help. thx

you might have to account for the easter holidays. my check was 3 days late ,but it came inas always

thx reggie -- will wait...

I have several downline from Asia whose Alertpay accounts are put "Temporary Hold".
They can't use the funds that's in their Alertpay account.

Does anybody have the same issue? Is it an Alertpay issue or a Zeek issue or a
combination of both?

Thanks

I don't know whether you mean that they can't even log into their AP accounts or just can't access the funds in their accounts. I can't imagine that is has anything to do with Zeek. All of the previous issues with AP have been resolved. I would have them contact AP support.

https://helpdesk.alertpay.com/

Oh! I have heard lots of scary things about Alertpay and it is only because of Zeekrewards that I am using AP. I am using two credit cards with AP.

I lost 2 days daily rewards % because I thought solidtrustpay have renewed my subscriptions for my silver membership but turns out they took my $10 but I am still reduced to free member. Just now, I subscribed through AP and everything went smoothly.

I am from Asia and have no problems so far regard to Alertpay.

Alert Pay is my favorite e-wallet I have been using it for 6 years. Pay Pal would be the best if they were more involved with money making programs.

i think that they will add something more to earn like the prc, it feels to good to be true for us passive folks now, i hope it wont be to hard though ?

I was wondering if affiliate are responsible how their customer signs up under them. For example, if a customer who love to play at a penny auction site at Zeekler but does not have the money to do so. He wants multiple accounts and free retail bids. In order to obtain that, he needs to use a proxy and change and new email his IP to make multiple accounts. At the end of the day, he sign up under the same affiliate over and over again with more than 100 Zeekler accounts.

Now the affiliate has no knowledge of the customer signing up and over and over again. He thought he got those 100 free customer from his ad placement and he thought he must had been lucky. Well, if Zeek finds out, would the affiliate be held responsible for the customers action? Will he face any consequences and if so what.

i still haven't yet received my money in STP,have anybody paid via STP on 4/23 ?

It is my understanding that a proxy can't be used...I tried it once, just as an experiment. The registration wouldn't go thru. Either way, how can an affiliate be held liable for a customer (who they might not even know, personally) be held liable for those kinds of actions?

I sure wish I could completely understand this. I had a referral purchase 400 bids which ended up in my cash balance instead of being used to repurchase bids, even though I have it set at 100% repurchase.

I decided to make my first withdrawal of 350.00 and leave a little over 50.00 to cover my next subscription, but when I got to the withdrawal page it only shows that I have 33.05, yet my earnings balance is 407.73. I do not understand!!!!!

Any more on this?

Good question. The call isn't uploaded in the back office yet. Could anyone that was on the call chime in here? Thanks.

+1
Totally agree with you. AlertPay is the best e-wallet ever.

Ok so im hearing there's problems with STP now? Before i request my next withdrawal i wanted to know whos been having what kind of problems before i request about $500 through STP. However, i did once use STP as a trial to see how fast it was versus a mailed check. My paydate was April 16th and surprisingly i got the STP deposit from zeek on the same day, April 16th. And from STP to bank account i know it only takes 2 business days as i already tried it. So it seems like STP is the fastest way to get withdrawals from zeek but obcourse with higher fees. But i think its worth it if your withdrawing large amounts. But now since i see theres been problems with STP i dont wanna send $500 lingering in the system.

The 400 bids didn't end up in your cash balance. You mean that the commission that you made went into your cash balance, I believe. Any commissions from money spent to buy bids by your referrals cash out of their pocket) goes into your cash balance, even if your repurchase is set at 100%. If you want to buy bids with it, click on Cash Balance and it will ask you if you want to buy bids or get paid by some other method.

Without looking at your account, I can't tell what is happening. The only way to withdraw money is to click on Cash Balance and the amount on the withdrawal screen is the same as the amount in your cash balance. You have to send money from your cash balance to your Subsription Payment account in order to pay that subscription. I am not sure what "withdrawal page" you are referring to that shows 33.05. Maybe that is your subscription account page and there are funds left over there from before?

Most of the time, it is the account holders confusion or misunderstanding that is the problem, not the actual account. Simply put, the amount in your cash balance is the amount that is available to use for paying subscription, buying bids, paying to AP or STP or check. Maybe you can have your upline look into your account and explain it.

Sorry I can't be more specific.

Reports are that withdrawals to STP are fine. It is just deposits for memberships fees or buying sample bids that is the problem. You should be OK...but if you are really nervous, just request a check and bear the delay.

Thanks Julie,
yah i just got off the 4pm training call shortly a while ago but during the questions part seems like the same thing you was saying, that a lot of members having problems paying their subscriptions using STP.

I want to share some thoughts about the zeekrewards business. I welcome any comments, particularly from Neena and Julie, as they have a better understanding of some aspects of the business.

I'll try putting each issue in a separate post so they don't get too long and confusing.

Issue 1: The disclosure at http://zeekrewards.com/ZeekRewardsIncomeDi...atement2011.pdf is very interesting, but it says the table only includes info about active U.S. affiliates, so there's no way to tell from the disclosure how many affiliates there are worldwide, or how much total income affiliates worldwide made.

We do know that as of the end of 2011, there were 15318 active U.S. affiliates who made a total of about $58.6 million in 2011, for an overall average of $3824 each, plus about 29,370 inactive U.S. affiliates (those who didn't personally sponsor 2 preferred affiliates and/or retail customers). But we don't know how much the inactive affiliates made on average, and globally all we know from this disclosure is that the average income of all affiliates worldwide was $1076.24, but we don't know how many there were, so we don't know how much they made altogether.

This gives us no way to estimate how much income zeekler would have to produce to support the amount paid to affiliates, or what percentage of the amounts paid to affiliates came from other affiliates' payments (for sample bid purchases, subscriptions, etc). So we can't conclude anything about how much of the RPP is based on "real" zeekler income rather than redistribution of income generated by other affiliates.

Does anyone know the total count of affiliates worldwide (either at the end of 2011, or at any other time)?

Issue 2: RPP amounts have been eerily regular over time: on a daily basis, my analysis of the last few months shows that from Sa-Mo they've varied from 0.75% to 1.10% and on Tu-Fr they've varied from 1.75% to 2.12%. But on a weekly basis, the 7-day average of daily rates only varies from about 1.43% to 1.54%, and long term, the daily average seems to be very close to 1.5%. (Actually, it does look like the daily average was just a bit lower several months ago than it has been the last few months.)

This seems to me to be a unbelievable level of long-term consistency if the RPP amounts were really being set according to daily revenue. Can there really be no seasonal variation in people's interest in playing the auctions at zeekler? Is it really about the same whether it's Christmas week or the middle of March? And, could there really be no significant change from month to month in the ratio of how much people are spending overall on zeekler bids to how many zeekrewards affiliates there are earning RPP points worldwide? It's possible, but I doubt it.

So my theory is that zeek management must be setting the return rates themselves, perhaps adjusting them every few months. So I wonder if the daily randomness we see may be an artificial randomness they add in an attempt to hide the fact that they're setting the rates by management fiat and make us think they're set by a formula based on their actual daily revenue from zeekler or whatever.

Has anyone done a longer-term analysis of RPP amounts going back to the beginning in January 2011? In the earliest months, was the daily average over a typical week different from the 1.53%/day or so that it is now?

Issue 3: (Speaking of hiding things...) Is there anywhere on the zeekrewards web site (besides maybe in the recorded conference calls) where it explains that after your bonus points expire after 60 days, you will stop making any points unless you upgrade to at least a silver membership, buy at least $10 of sample bids, and sign up at least one customer?

I'd bet there are probably many free affiliates who don't know that their point balance will start to disappear after 60 days unless they spend $10 on sample bids plus a $10/month subscription (and possibly more, to get customers if they don't want to bug their friends to sign up).

Issue 4: Currently if you set repurchase to 100%, your point value will grow about 15x (1500%) per year. If you started with 100 points and continued at that rate for 10 years, you would then have about 60 trillion VIP points, so if you then set your repurchase rate to 80%, your daily withdrawal would be about $170 billion, which is about equal to the total daily GDP of the entire world. Not gonna happen.

Even after just 5 years, your balance would be about 76 million points, so if you then set it to 80%, your daily withdrawal would be about $230,000 a day, every day.

Conclusion: obviously these RPP rates can't continue like they've been even for 5 years, let alone forever.

Note that this is equally true even if most affiliates switch to less than 100% repurchase within a year or two. There could be 100,000 affiliates who all switched their repurchase percentage to 75% after 1 year, but if just one person among the 100,000 left their repurchase at 100%, within about 8 years that person would be making more than all the other 100,000 affiliates combined.

Why do you feel a need to know this?

Issue 5: Another way to get at the limits of zeek's growth: Troy Dooly says zeek now has about 3 million customers. There are only about 2 billion internet users in the world, so if we assume that at most 10% of them would ever have the time, interest, and money (to buy bids) to sit at their computer trying to win zeekler auctions, that's a maximum potential of 200 million zeekler customers. That means we'll never have more than about 70 times the current 3 million customers (and I actually think the real maximum would be a lot lower than that). That means we can only keep growing at 15x/year for at most about 1.5 more years.

Conclusion: something about the RPP model will clearly have to change within the next year or two at most. But we don't know exactly what, or when.

They could reduce the daily RPP percentages. They could put a cap on point balances. They could start disqualifying affiliates from the RPP unless they have personally recruited customers, which would probably disqualify a substantial majority of all current affiliates.

Any of these could change the math enough to make the business sustainable. But any of these might be seen as a betrayal by many of the current affiliates, most of whom have been sponsored by people who saw zeek as a unique opportunity to make long-term passive income.

Note: none of this means zeek is not a legitimate business. The zeekler auctions are clearly capable of generating significant revenue, and affiliate marketing is clearly a reasonable way to generate more zeekler customers. There's just a limit to how much it can grow and how much people can make on this.

What I'd like to see is a universal cap of about 100-200K VIP points and a lower cap of about 50-100K points for affiliates who haven't personally sponsored paying zeekler customers, and possibly also a date after which new affiliate signups wouldn't be allowed. I think a change like this might make the business sustainable for current affiliates.

Issue 6: Because of the fact that points expire after 90 days, a small drop in the daily rate will make a big difference in your results. At the current rate of about 1.53%/day with 100% repurchase, point balances grow at about 15x/year. But if that rate went down to 1.11%, even though it would look like you were still making lots of points every day, they would expire just as fast, so your balance wouldn't grow at all. (100% / 90 days = 1.11%, the rate needed just to replace your retiring points.) Below that, you'd gradually lose points even at 100% repurchase.

This is why you can only lower your repurchase to about 80% if you still want to see your point balance keep growing: at the current RPP rate of about 1.53% per day, the 1.11% required just to replace expiring points accounts for 73% of your daily rate, so any repurchase level below 73% will result in your point balance falling over time, and a 75% rate would give you only very slow growth. So they recommend a minimum of 80% repurchase so you'll see a steadily rising income.

So what they might do, as the worldwide supply of new zeekler customers starts to dry up, is just reduce the daily RPP rate a bit, so the point balances will stop growing so fast.

Issue 7: This just a minor issue, but... Rex Venture Group may have been around for 14 years, but the zeekrewards business with the daily RPP awards, which is what obviously can't continue forever, has only been around for 1.3 years, since January 2011. Note that the zeekrewards.com domain name was only created in December 2010. Somehow I get annoyed when people keep saying the business must be reliable because it's existed so long. Maybe it means they're somewhat trustworthy and experienced, but it doesn't mean the RPP can continue long-term the way it has been.

A found a source from a top affiliate saying there was about 75,000 affiliates worldwide at the end of 2011 and now to-date there's about 350,000 affiliates worldwide. Cannot post he source due to compliance but i can try look it up again and pm you if you like.