What facts? That there was a reset on Feb 1, and 2 months after we will have another reset? (call it a restart, if you will)



Simple. Don't compare.



there.



Don't get your point, but it doesn't matter. Every program will quit paying including T2, that's what you mean right?

Well, I heard Johnnie Walker is no longer bottled

No it won't, that is just you speculating, anyone can speculate, speculation is easy, it's so easy anyone can do it.

It is a lot more difficult to ponder on how something will succeed. It is possible, anything is possible, but it is easier to speculate towards the negative in this industry because there is so much proof to back you up.

Some of us don't always take the path of least resistance, some of us are true triers, believers and innovators.

That is a bit more difficult in fact, it's way more difficult and that is why you refuse to go along with us. It's a shame really, because if more people thought and 'fought' like us, then maybe this industry would see a lot less innocent victims.

No matter how many restarts we have to have, we will stagger and limp and take the blows along the way, but we will get there, and we will see the naysayers turn in their opinions and hopefully 'dare I say it' change their outlooks to a more favourable one. Because if we can do it, then there is no real reason why every admin can't do it.

You get hit, you get back up, you get hit again, you get back up again, you don't quit.... never do that.

As long as there is breath in my body, I will be here. Nobody on this thread or any thread can keep me down.

Am I talking to someone who prefers to see us win in the end? or am I talking to someone who prefers to watch failure unfold??

People need to understand that no matter if it's a program like T2 or stocks or Monday night football or whatever it's not a bank account. You need to take your seed out and then play with the profits.

Same also goes for STP, AP and LR. They are not bank accounts. Compounding or leaving it in there to build up to a large wad of cash can end in tears. T2 and the like can stop paying at any time. Stocks can stop trading at any time. STP, AP and LR can vanish or become worthless at any time. Remember egold? Stormpay? Altergold? How about e-bullion?

Only leave in STP, AP and LR what you need. Withdraw the rest to your pocket. Same for T2. Take out what you can when you can. Compounding is just numbers on the screen. It's simply not real. Only money in your pocket is real.

And NO Dave. The more T2 evolve the HARDER and LESS stable T2 will become.

Well if and only if you can make this work with real ontside income in other words 100% not a ponzi and there are no victims then I'll be glad to change my opinion and say that I was wrong about you and T2.

But right now all I see is a couple of thousand victims. Sure Stros, Lola and others with big downlines are in profit but the average member is not because they can't be. You haven't paid long enough for the bulk of the members to be in profit.

And lets not forget those who opted out. They are all victims here. And lets also not forget any accounts you froze/deleted. I can't remember her name from some time back but did you ever refund her?.

I'm actually one of the lucky members of T2. You deleted my account a matter of hours before I was going to deposit.
Lucky me I guess

I believe if he can masters website flipping, It could last as long as the internet is alive.

Sorry to pull on your rug again.

I said 'evolve'. That means making necessary adjustments to make us stable. If that means moving away from a 2% daily then that is what we do. If that means spreading the wealth more evenly to make a fairer system for all, then that is what we will do. If that means moving more to a profit share, then that is what we will do.

We WILL evolve and we WILL become stable. As long as we have money coming in, then people WILL be in profit.

I agree that people should get their seed out, especially in most programs, but while we are 'evolving' to make sure everyone makes a profit in here, then it is not always how they play the game here. because we know that people will learn their own way around this industry without the need for them to get damaged. the more money we bring in, the more we guarantee our members that they will not sustain damage by us.

I will ask you the same question....

Am I talking to someone who prefers to see us win in the end? or am I talking to someone who prefers to watch failure unfold??

I know you can't stand facts; that's why you dislike me so much. But I'll keep shoving them in your face till you regurgitate. Most shills do have a problem with me.

But when I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.

Warts and all, I still prefer this program to that other one. At least this one is trying to move away from ponziville.

I answered this before you asked. My reply is below for you to read again. But since you deleted my account for no reason it doesn't effect me whatever the outcome.

Only if you buy the admin story in the updates.

For example.



Wasn't there some problems with Mark? Money vanished? Him vanished? I need to read back a few pages but there was some problem wasn't there?

And this bit I just love. Talk about planting the seed for someone new to blame down the track now that the programmer excuse been used twice!!!

Actually, you are posting with half the facts, everyone seems to know that Mark got in touch on Monday and was only away because his son was in hospital.

Now there are 2 ways to play this, be transparent and suffer the ignorance of others, or simply lie to the members and have an easy ride.

You are clearly attempting to use any update I issue to members (who demand it) and cast everything down as lies and excuses, now you don't know that these are lies and excuses, yet you still attempt to portray them as such.

Can I please ask you why you do this?
Is there a logical reason for it?
What motivates these accusations without proof?
Are you receiving pleasure from it?
Do you realise that this serves no useful purpose to anyone here?
Do you ever get tired of being wrong and do you think it damages your credibility in this thread?
Is all of this because I deleted your account because I quite simply did not want you as a member?
If you were a prosecutor in a court against this program, based on proof of wrongdoing (and I am not talking about regulation and licensing) do you think you could win the case without proof?
Can you prove that I intend to do any harm at all to the members?
Can you prove I ever lied to members concerning any updates?
Can you prove that I am lying about Chris and Mark?
What money vanished? Please elaborate.
can you prove that I never got married 2 weeks ago?

If so.... please let me have that proof, NO, actually, please let the readers have the proof.

You are so right! But this small fishes just don"t get it. They are happy what ever they get. Even if it"s nothing!

And lets not forget those who opted out. They are all victims here. And lets also not forget any accounts you froze/deleted. I can't remember her name from some time back but did you ever refund her?.

It was Faith Sloan and she was right too.

Actually, Faith is still in the program. Shows just how much you know..... nothing, oh and you are a liar too, I have the proof of that. But everyone here knows you are just sore because I booted you out of the club.

It's funny how the two people making all the noise here are the 2 people who were booted out.

Oh BTW, while I am on the subject, you mention the opt outs??? They are now 15% better of than before, just shows that you can't even read properly.

Get an education and I may waste my time further by answering you, but until then, I won't reply.

They say never to argue with a fool, he will just drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, in your case, I will take that advice.

I'll answer all these questions for you Dave with one word.......JEALOUSY

I've always found his reasoning tendentious. Tendentiousness is usually aimed at ending to go ahead with things, or at undermining forward progress of a protagonist.

Whew.... You are surely the king of wordsmiths my dear fellow.

Wasn't her name Ingrid ?

It is irrelevant what her name was... She breached the terms, she was constantly abusive and insulting after being warned and chose to ignore the warnings by challenging me to ban her, that is exactly what she got.


Edit: personal attack removed

Oh, you mean like you did in JBP.

+1 To this post.
I agree with you in everything that you said here.

Dave, can you please post the proof that any of what you claim is the truth? You could prove to the members that you tell the truth and that I'm wrong. I bet you can't.

Show proof that back in November Chris did anything.
Show proof of any outside income.
Show proof that the money is really there to cover the value of the number of DP's members see in their accounts.

You ask if I were a prosecutor could I win the case? The answer is YES. Just look at the CEP case. It's up to YOU to show proof that you not running a ponzi scheme. It's not up to the prosecutor to show that you are.

You ask do I get tired of being wrong? Since so far I'm not wrong there is nothing to get tired of.

And NO I don't realise that this serves no useful purpose to anyone here. People have posted that they didn't send you money because of my posts. So you wrong again.

Blondie was right. Her name is Ingrid and you stole her money. So you can not claim that there are no victims here because there are.



No they not. They can't withdraw so they still lost their money.
54 opt outs wasn't it? Plus Ingrid makes a total of around 55 confirmed victims so far.
There is still some hope for the many members not yet in profit so we can't faily add them to the 55 just yet.

Dave as long as you keep on replying, he will keep on coming back.

He quotes everyone in the entire thread just hoping to get someone to give him some attention, go figure.

Well, Dave just gave an update and after a long winded dissertation of all the things that will have to be “changed” in the program, he could have summed it all up with 5 words: Out of Money to pay. This from the guy who was claiming he “knew” how to run a program that was not a Ponzi, was the smartest guy in the world, had all the answers on how to run a program with no glitches like JBP exprienced, and on and on, and the only luck he has had is bad luck. But what is even more incredible that after all of his pontificating how T2 was not going to be a Ponzi, it is a Ponzi. Outside revenue does not come close to covering all of his ongoing payment costs. But he keeps claiming that he soon will not be a Ponzi. Kind of like being a little bit pregnant Dave. Impossible. You are a Ponzi, and soon will be gone.

Hello everyone,
I finally came around to MMG for a while just to keep up with the conversation.

But I do like to see proof and at least reasonable information in posts. RANTS are boring.


But to the focus of today:
Reset/restart.
-Yes I think the referral commission overextended the program. But it has been corrected.
- Yes the reset isn't great. But I didn't lose my seed money.
- No, I didn't come here do bad mouth the program.

I look forward to the new impliments mentioned. This T2 Infinity Plan/system I guess still has a few kinks in it. But at least its still being worked on.
Most other programs would have closed shop by now. So I'm still hanging around.

-(note to 100% compounding people).
RULE #1 in investing. Pay yourself first. Yes you can compound but never 100%

And why would Elmer be jealous of Dave? I don't get it.

He isn't, the poster is just further demonstrating his ignorance...!jmo.

Very simple, he doesn't want T2 to succeed. Pretty obvious to the people that have watched how he operates.

At the risk of sounding disagreeable, I don't see why Elmer would be jealous of Dave. We would have to know both of them quite well to make that deduction, I would say.

here prove one of t2 outside income :

Who bets Jennifer Aniston is maybe just a little jealous of Angelina Jolie ?

Now if we could just get them here to join the post it wars ...... LOL

And Blondie just changed sides... Well she wasn't on T2 side since the beginning anyways.

Pastel looks to have hit the nail on the head.

Yes, I agree. What do they call it?

Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder..... lol

Oh Elmer... What is going on in your mind?

Are you sure you want to post these credibility damaging things, even my kids know that the main precept of law is

'INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY'.

You are the one who is making accusing remarks and without proof to boot.

Two important points in law.

subject A accuses subject B... Subject A must first produce proof to back up their accusation or be subject to false accusation. This is before any court would even pick up a case.

Any proof must incite an offence in this case it would either be fraud or theft. (as that is what you tend to lead towards) The prosecutor then has the job of proving that subject B acted with intent to 'permanently deprive'.

I will do you a favour Elmer...

Join T2 or C150 now. I will reopen your account, and allow you to deposit $10 or whatever. Then file a suit against me and I will give you the opportunity to challenge me in court.

Not regulatory or licensing issues, I refuse to acknowledge them from a country that I am not a citizen of.

Bring all YOUR evidence and I will bring all MINE.

Then I can counter-sue you for a variety of things. I will put my winnings into system cash as an income stream.

If you don't want to do that, then team up with Ingrid and pastel and sponsor THEIR case. if you are so confident that you are right, then I will happily oblige you.

@Pastel.

You put in $110 and got out $140

I don't care about breech of Privacy Policy

because you are no longer a member. I also need to prove that you lie. So that people know that they are dealing with a liar when reading your drivvel.

Perhaps you need to read and heed your previous post... You've just made a personal attack and a claim without posting proof.

Actually Pastel provided the proof for me

Smile and the world smiles with you

hahaha! That's funny.

Except Angelina Jolie would kick her a**

Dave with all due respect you should consider investing in some real legal advice. Or just read up on the CEP case. It's not up to anyone to prove a ponzi. It's up to you the admin to prove that you are NOT running a ponzi.
That's how the law works. We seen that in the CEP case and we will soon see that the ASD case and in the full-tilt poker site case.

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Are you that desperate that you need me to donate $10 to the pot?

You sue or counter sue me? LOL bring it on

Just so that people will know.
I only joined back in November because someone invited me to and offered to benefactor me in so I could see how wonderful T2 was/is.
I said no thanks to the benefactor part but I joined under them and said I'd pay for one $10 DP myself.
Lucky for them that I said no thanks to the benefactor bit or they would have lost their money.
Lucky for me you blocked my account before I had the chance to buy the DP or I would have lost my money.

No need to do anything now as the person who invited me to join has seen for themself that I was right about T2 all along.

The proof is in the update.
Why else would Dave now say that he will switch on the register button in the hope that another 1000 sucke..errrr...people will join and make fresh deposits.

The last thing a non ponzi needs is more members and more deposits.
The first thing a ponzi needs is a steady flow of fresh members with fresh money being added all the time.

That's a very big RED fonted word.

Time for bed, it's 3am.
Good night everyone

I do believe that someone's bottom lip is starting to quiver

I am waiting for the petulance.

I'd say Blondie is just sympathetic with her referrals. If you know that your referrals have compounded 100% and will end up with their original deposit (plus 15%) only, wouldn't you feel sorry for your referrals? Referral commissions aren't everything. Sponsors should also think of their referrals' welfare IMO.

Sorry, What part of this post makes any sense? The part that the referrals got back all of their depost or the part that they got an additional 15%.

BTW I am in a huge loss with CWC, as well as so many others. Pleeeese. Let's not even go their.

This is one of the Fairest restarts ever introduced in this industry.

It's because you're thinking that most members have invested $1K each that's why 15% would be a big amount. What about those who started with less than 5 positions since November? Would 15% be enough compensation for the time spent to compound? What about the tasks that the person has to accomplish just to earn a PROMISED 2%? Wouldn't that be added to the equation as well?