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I love this thread.

Congrats on all the payments everyone!

Got paid AGAIN... thank you

Paid again..thanks admin

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Thanks

Congrats on the payments everyone.
Welcome Back Dave.
Aren't Monitors for attracting new members since registrations are closed we shouldn't look at those monitor scams.
And our program should never give in to Blackmail it only attracts more Blackmail.

got payed!!!!!!

great work Dave.. Keep it up!

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Good to see all the drama back.

I received all of my pending payments.

all my pending payments have been paid thank you very much Dave

Food for thought: In light of the past week's fiasco with Dave's absence, what would happen to T2 if for some reason (accident, sudden illness, etc) Dave should no longer be with us?

I think it would crash. Just as if you remove the driver of a car, the car can't go on by itself.

Almost every hyip program stands and die with willingnes or health of their owner.

But it also happens in "real" bussines. So nothing new under the sun...

Yes, and hopefully you follow suit.

Not really arguing with you, just supplying my perspective. Will Dave deliver on what for this "industry" is a somewhat ambitious schedule? Don't know. If he does, it will be a first.

4 pages to read so I could catch up from last night! This thread hasn't been that active in some time!

Amazing what payments will do, and on that note, I would like to say

I was PAID my 2nd pending last night!!!

Thank you Dave!!!

Only time will tell. Just like any industry, there are always issues that arise, and bumps, and BS. So, when you make your arguments, and compare them to "real businesses" You are not keeping in perspective the realities within any entity. I speak from my own personal experiences, and being a business owner myself. The story is going to unfold one way or another. If I have a business, I will make whatever changes are necessary to keep myself operational. I will try my best to make time for my own friends and family so that I can maintain my own sanity, and have a healthy emotional well being. I can not always guarantee what I do will be successful, or not have problems... The carpenter that comes to build your deck can take upfront fees, and never return to build a deck. The material could be sloppy, or it wasn't built up to code...

To many things happen and some you can see coming, others you don't. Some of the best businesses, could have fraudulent practise, despite the references that you get, or the things you read.

I will just take it one day at a time...

Very true Lola²
I'm anxious for the update from Dave.

So am I.

I am also looking forward to that update.

One other thing to keep in mind though. Is that with a "real business" are subject to licensing and regulation as a means to provide additional consumer protection. With these kinds of program opportunities, offered in forums, the only protection the member have is the integrity (or lack of..) of the admin. But, there are only so many things that he has control over no matter how great an admin he is... Anything can happen, full withdrawals, processor account freezes..etc..So, Laidback, does also have a point in which there are differences to take into consideration. Dave has done a great job, and we can see his determination and dedication. Which is very hard to find here. That is something, we are counting on, and he has proven so far to be committed. I hope he can also continue to put members first, and work to establish what needs to be done, to keep his program functional.

Thanks Dave

It is a fine line to walk when you are a business owner - family vs customers. I always think family first but then again family should understand that when you are business owner, it is the customer who is paying the family's bills. So who comes first, the customer must come first in order for you to say you are putting your family first! Without the customer, the family will suffer. I am thankful that Dave kept us updated as to what was going on and now has resumed taking care of the "customers"! Sending many blessings to Dave and his new wife and all his family. Now we have a spouse who can continue if and when Dave needs her to. So that is a big plus! I am still building my account and look forward to soon requesting my first withdrawal. Thank you, Dave, for all your hard work.

Well, that's a good point, albeit an obvious one. I think that the circumstances that you've brought up that could hamper an administrator's progress could sometimes be avoided by making good business decisions to begin with based on foresight. I think that you and everyone would agree that foresight is crucial to the long-term success of any business. I don't believe that one has to be perfect, in order to make good decisions. Having said that, I believe that any administrator's performance (or lack of), is relative to one's perception, which is based on the expectations of that individual, which in turn is understandably based on the original promises and proposals disclosed by the administrator and staff at the time of, and/or prior to launch.

Would that be fair to say?

I received 2 payouts last night from T2 to my STP account.

Thanks Dave.

Greg

What promises are you referring to? I can't speak for anyone else, but I have never made any promises. The program was set out to be different, and from what I can see, it is making strides to work towards that by implementing additional programs, and the task system, advertising revenue. The only person who has authority, knowledge or control over any short or long term success would be the admin. That is only something Dave can manage and we all know that any long term forecast is just that a "forecast", not a guarantee. It is an estimate or calculation in advance, especially a prediction. As you said, some things can and can't be avoided...What is most important, is that whatever steps ever need to be taken, are there to ensure that it continues to work for the benefit of the members.

Some programs do claim to be "indefinitely sustainable" Whatever that means, could mean different things to different people, I suppose

Well, perhaps promises isn't the correct word in relation to what has been said in this thread, and since I'm too lazy to go dig up a bunch of posts from other threads that were made by you and this admin, we'll just go with the second word which was proposals. Here's a couple, without digging too deep at all.





Of course most of us take what admins say with a grain of salt, as we are aware of the risks, and the marketing techniques used to build people's confidence, and have them part with their money. My post was merely to make a point in relation to yours. Again, an admin's performance is relative to one's perception. I'm in sites which you would in all likelihood believe to be a waste of time. Again, your perception, and completely respectable.

My question to you at this point would be...do you believe that those two statements I have quoted, hold the same merit, and are as believable as they were at time of launch? We could take this to PMs if you like, as I know that this discussion is not as informative as it is theoretical.

Well, actually indefinitely sustainable has a pretty clear-cut definition, and is not a matter of opinion.

I can also dig up many posts to ensure that I have not made any promises or personal guarantees, but Dave has. As far as what has been written, it is obviously no different than what many sites propose. Including the "indefinitely sustainable", which I was sure he took out, but obviously hadn't, cause I really don't like that word personally. But, to answer your question, it is not my program. If it is paying I will say it is paying. If it isn't, I will say isn't. Only Dave has the knowledge to confirm and answer your questions. I support the efforts of this program, and the members. I would rather, you would not take this personally against me, as it is obvious that you are attempting to do so. I have no control over any administrative aspects of the program, and I am an affiliate just like anyone else.

Your veteran experiences in comparison to that of a newbie, will make a distinct difference in how you wish to interpret these programs along with that statement.

I see many people in the other program, who clearly define it, and continue to promote it as such. It is a pretty strong word, and it takes a positive program to back it up. If Dave feels he can back up his statement, than who am I to argue with him.

Again, lolalola, I'm too lazy to go digging, so I accept what you're saying, and it was just a post in relation to yours, so I don't see why I should direct my comment towards Dave. Nothing personal, and I commend you for calling it what it is, in your own way. I got those quotes from the original post in this thread introducing the site, and not from the site itself, as my point is about what was said originally, after all, and how that relates to one's perception of this admin's performance, which I'm sure you can understand. Again, probably more suited to a pm as this is probably quite boring to most.

You know, I have to disagree. Some statements are not a matter of opinion, but rather a statement with a clear-cut definition. You could make the argument that Dave is at the helm, and therefore "who am I to argue" if you wish, but wouldn't you have to take the same stance regarding a clear and definitive definition of a particular statement or word? Who am I to argue with a dictionary?

All I can do, and will continue to do, is try my best to support, and keep members as informed as possible.
I hope you will understand that. Thanks

You are correct it does have a clear cut definition - nothing is indefinitely sustainable - we are going to die,the world will end ,etc.

It is kind of like lifetime warranties - whose lifetime? the product,the company,the consumer - does that prevent companies from stating that - no. It is a sales ploy based on law of averages.The company knows a large majority will forget,die off,sell lose the receipt,etc.

It does not necessarily mean they are deceptive - they are just playing the odds - same as we.

Same thing with insurance.

I do not believe Dave will live forever ( no offense Dave LOL) so the great revelation to the burning question is - indefinitely sustainable - no

Do I think Dave will do his best to have a sustainable business model - yes

That is my perception and I am stickin' to it

Of course I understand that you're trying your best.

I'm looking forward to Dave's update

Have a day everyone

You guys are making my head hurt...

Oh come on I thought you were the jokester - you should be getting some good material here

You and me both

Sorry folks, power went out for a bit there. I see lolalola has deleted some posts which I didn't see but judging from the following posts, I'll assume that they weren't very appropriate. Anyhow, where was I? Oh yes!



Well, a lifetime warranty is just that. Of course there are those who will for whatever reason fail to take advantage of the offer, but those that do will surely get the original value of the product. That is of course if the company has the foresight to stay in business longer than the individual's lifespan. I for one, in my experience have never been short-changed by a lifetime warranty. If you want to discuss odds, let's discuss the odds of this site outlasting any company you would purchase a product from, , offering a lifetime warranty, otherwise it is not a fair analogy.

I cannot disagree with the second part of your post.

You shouldn't really make assumptions... Nice try~

BTW, a lifetime warranty is only as good as the "fine print", if you can find it.

A lifetime warranty is usually a guarantee on the lifetime of the product on the market rather than the lifetime of the consumer(the exact meaning should be defined in the actual warranty documentation). If a product has been discontinued and is no longer available, the warranty may last a limited period longer, or even end the warranty. If you lose your receipt, than you don't get the warranty. Sometimes, you would of had to already register the product.

But, some are fooled and do take the term quite literally, and don't bother reading the "fine print".

I would agree. What's your point?

Yes, I understand that as well. Again, what is your point? Is the product here no longer available?

Not sure how we got away from "an admin's performance (or lack of) is relative to one's perception", but anyhow, it was nice talking to you folks...

You said you have "never been short changed by a lifetime warranty".

I am just making a point, that if you don't read the fine print, the term "lifetime warranty", can be interpreted different ways, and can be taken literally by people. Which is what racer is trying to say. It can be a sales ploy, because so many don't read the fine print.
That is all I am trying to say. So, I don't know how anyone can argue, there are many sales or marketing techniques that are taken literally by consumers to drive business. It happens all the time. It is what it is. You can't control the market, and that is just how many businesses compete.

For example...They jack up the price of a product, and say "50% off of regular price". When they are actually setting the regular price to be greater than the manufacturers suggested price.

They run a "sale" for a long period or repeat it every week.

They use illustrations that are different from the product being sold.

Anyway, it is off topic, sorry

Well, of course the term could be used in a misleading fashion, and you should always read the fine print, and it is true that I've never been short-changed by a lifetime warranty as of yet. Nothing you are saying changes the definition of a warranty, or the term "indefinitely sustainable". Racer made a comparison of that term, with a lifetime warranty, and I replied.

The scenarios you are describing, are of a misleading nature, I agree...you're actually making it sound as though this site's original claims are comparable to one of those scenarios, therefore it is no different. lol..I don't believe that's what you're TRYING to say, but it is essentially what you are saying here.

Really? I don't remember saying that. Perhaps, your trying to make it appear as though I am. Cause, you like to twist things to your benefit.

No, I'm asking you, why make the comparison between this site's original slogan, and some shady business practices that do occur regularly, if your intention (which obviously it isn't ) is not to compare the two? You made the comparison.

I never mentioned anything about the site, or made any comparison...lol Again, continue your fruitful twisting of words...(that's all you got) I am responding to your original statement compared to the word "lifetime warranty" and your response to racer.



So, does this mean that you take the word literally, I don't believe you do... So, the word "lifetime Warranty" can hold the same merit, if it is not properly explained in the fine print, or read in the fine print because it is how it is interpreted by a consumer.

Also, I am done responding to you. Because, I know that your intention is to work real hard to try to make me and this program look bad by twisting and assumptions. So, that is why I have now blocked all of your posts from my view. It is really hard to communicate with someone who just wants to find ways to aggrevate me.. I don't need your headache posts to deal with.

Bye

Not trying to twist lolalola...not much of a dancer myself ....My original statement was that an adminstrator's performance is relative to one's perception, and they sometimes are based on proposals made by the administrator, early on. Racer suggested that the same could apply to lifetime warranties offered by various companies which understand that the odds of them having to payout a substantial amount in rebates are low, relative to the potential sales garnered by such an offer. My reply was this:

Well, a lifetime warranty is just that. Of course there are those who will for whatever reason fail to take advantage of the offer, but those that do will surely get the original value of the product. That is of course if the company has the foresight to stay in business longer than the individual's lifespan. I for one, in my experience have never been short-changed by a lifetime warranty. If you want to discuss odds, let's discuss the odds of this site outlasting any company you would purchase a product from, , offering a lifetime warranty, otherwise it is not a fair analogy.

I cannot disagree with the second part of your post.

Then you brought forth the issue of "fine print" associated with said warranties, and how companies mislead consumers and bury essential information regarding the definition of "lifetime warranty" in "fine print", which I'm sure you would agree is not a favourable business practice.

If you're responding to my original statement which was, an adminstrator's performance is relative to one's perception, and they sometimes are based on proposals made by the administrator, early on, and you are comparing that to a lifetime warranty, (precisely what you have said), and my response to racer, wouldn't that mean that YOU'RE making the comparison?

Otherwise, the fact that companies sometimes purposefully mislead the consumer, is off-topic, isn't it? Again...I don't believe that is what you are TRYING to say, but that is essentially what you are saying, unless your post was off-topic.

You know, Just for fun, I took a peek at this... and nothings changed. I made no comparison of misleading consumers to the site. And, you are TRYING to make it appear as though I did, and yes, it is off topic. You really need to get a life.