You can bet it is about money..It always is...and ego.

My take on the AP situation is that it will get resolved by getting the account swapped to Dave or refunding members.I do not believe Alert pay will commandeer the money and not do one or the other.If it was LR you would have reason for serious concern.I do not think AP would keep letting people put into an account they were going to freeze.This is just my past experience I do not know what will happen for sure.Not sure why Dave had the account in someone else name to start with - I am sure he regrets that now.Hindsight is usually 20/20 - foresight not so much.

I thought he said it was Elmer's fault.

There's at least one thing about this program that makes it different from JBP, for instance, -- the plan to limit upgraded membership to 10,000. That says the admin is at least intending to try and run this as a non-ponzi, unlike JBP which is constantly pushing to add new members in order to keep the ponzi afloat.

So, despite some immature and unprofessional behavior by Dave in this thread and unjust comments about me, I am still able to be fair and objective about his program.

I actually hope he succeeds in supporting this with outside income streams, although he will of course need more than one stream producing $3000 - 6000 a month.

I wish him luck, and I also wish he would be open with his members about his legal protections. A legitimate, legally-compliant company would not keep these things secret from its own client-members.

I hope for the same but on the Legal part, I had a business offline (A restaurant) and the legal documentation were only shown to the Authorities that requested it and not every client walked into the business, same with other business owners that I know.

Documentation is only needed for the Government Agencies, Banks, Suppliers, etc.

Hey Ispy
Glad you can give Dave benefit of the doubt and be objective.I think Dave was just responding to all the negative pressure put on by some. I think he misjudged your intentions.I believe you are really trying to help people from getting burned - unlike some others whose intent is questionable. I am not particularly cheerleading T2 but it does seem Dave is trying to set up a real business and I am willing to give him a chance to prove it.As far as all the clanging for legal documents - they do not really prove anything.Bernie Madoff ran a ponzie right under SEC noses for a long time.There are flim- flam men in any city,state or country with legal documents galore but that does not prevent them from scamming you out of your pants - sometimes right before your eyes.Documents are too easily fabricated and in most cases are not worth the paper their printed on.In the case of online documents almost impossible to prove real or fraud.What does prove something is if a person does what they say - that is the real proof.

That may be true for a restaurant in DR, but many places require that licenses, (liquor, business, etc) and health reports be publicly available or displayed.

I'm not sure if capping the membership at 10K will help the program in the long run. Let's just say that the site reaches the maximum 10K active members. There would then be a time when there won't be fresh new funds since everyone will then be just compounding from their main balances. The site at that point will heavily depend on outside income sources to pay the daily 2% earnings of the members. T2 will then become a liability rather than an income generating site. When that happens either the admin will open the site to anyone who wishes to join or stop the daily compounding altogether.

If you have other sites that earn you money without having to pay the visitors or members, wouldn't you just keep the earnings of the site to yourself?

Thank you for what you said about me in the first part of your post.

Now for the part I bolded: I understand the point you're making, but I'm not talking about him running with the money -- that's always a possibility with an admin, as you say, but what I'm concerned about is the SEC shutting something down because it's not legally compliant. If a program is at least that, then that's one less thing to worry about. And you can check with the SEC or the appropriate regulatory authority yourself to see if a company is in fact registered or not because the SEC lists those companies on its website; you don't have to take an owner/admin's word for it.

There are at least three dangers with these online programs: (1) The admin will run with the money because he's operating a ponzi, (2) The admin is honest but incompetent and so the program folds, (3) The government shuts the program down. If a program is legally compliant, you've at least eliminated one of these dangers.

I've been around long enough that I've seen all these things happen -- with devastating consequences to the members.

The alternative is to run the site as a ponzi. I hate ponzis with a passion. I would rather see a program fail trying to be legit than to see a ponzi fail -- which all eventually do -- because a failed ponzi devastates ordinary members and rewards thieves and pimps.

I think it would serve everyone to stop with the running a legit site bs when this is named after a site known for a tripler and a matrix. That site's admin isnt in the thread getting mad everyday at members calling it this and that. We are in this to make the max profit period , we are lucky enough to have many good paying sites at the moment so basically its enough drama already.

Anybody else had this on their accounts?

"The daily DP crediting is running. Buying positions will be availabe at 2011-12-29 12:30 AM server time. "

Why the time constraint in buying DPs now?

Also, IS IT POSSIBLE to withdraw to Liberty Reserve?

Thank you and Happy New Year 2012 (soon)!

Well, it's the admin who started off saying his program was not a ponzi; he says that on the front page of his site, for God's sake! And he contrasts it to JBP. He goes to great lengths to explain why his program is legitimate!

got my 2%.

you can buy again DP's at 00:30 server time.

I got that message too one time.

I think its just because the program is adding the 2% earnings, at this time.

Its the same every night. You can buy dps after 12:30 but they will be for tomorrow's date.

Thank you treebart.

By the way, can we withdraw to Liberty Reserve?

Thanks, again.

Thank you! I also hope that you have fun on the New Year Day!

I am sure he is regretting. He wouldn't have foreseen that they would part ways or dislike each other.

I see that message everyday. It is normal.

Happy New Year to you too!

Diversify in many so that the drama of a few isnt even a issue for you, its very easy to get caught up in these threads with the cheerleading and the daily bickering but if its just another site with a potential payout, you eliminate the emotional attachment to needing it to do well and whether its legit or not means nothing.

Well Said!

I just checked my profile page in the member area. A column has been added to enter our Liberty Reserve ID#
Finally!

You're welcome larena.

As for LR, I just noticed someone in the T2 forum posted about LR being

added in our back office, so I presume LR withdrawals are not far behind!

please update us now admin....

Dave isn't updating here. He sent an update email yesterday and made several updates on MNF.

thanks again, very helpful.

more success to you on the coming new year

Thank you, you too!!

Hoping its a good year for both of us!

It was, but since that excuse didn't work he's now blaming "Chris"

Well said since there is no proof that this is legitamate but there is more then enough proof that this is just a ponzi money game

Damit come on with that alertpay issue... Who is this Cris anyway.. what if this Chris is just holding things up on alertpay.... I am getting impatient here

Personally I don't believe David is cheating on us because then he wouldnt make a huge T2 forum and stuff IMO I just dont get that alertpey.. you can fund from ap into T2 but u cannot receive ur money bunch off ash**** then it should be the other way around .. members can receive their money but cannot fund from ap into T2.. I send ticket to ap asking about this maybe it will clear up some questions I have

Another thing I am wondering about is this: many floods coming in Thailand I wonder if Dave stays save over there...

I have a question, why the subscription for level 1 does'nt charge me $10 on my account, I am still upgraded in level 1.

I joined T2 and subscribed level in on Nov. 27, 2011.

And I also cancel the subscription in my Alertpay.

But now, I am still in level 1.

This is my 33th day in T2.

There are some good updates in the T2 forum.

Greg

Well I asked T2 to send my earnings to Solidtrustpay in stead off AP lets see if they honour my questions....

If they did, then it wouldn't be fair for those who invested via STP.
Don't keep your hopes up, because the Admin mentioned elsewhere, this will not be done.
And AP situation is only temporary, so they can't drain their funds in other processors.

I can see both sides here in this. On one side people getting paid from from different payment processors and the other side is told to be patient and you will get your money as soon as the admin's ex partner see's the light or he will be sued by the admin and the money will be released if he wins. Someday has many different time frames in this arena.

Maybe you're Right, Maybe you're wrong.
There is nothing we can do about it, other than me waiting it out.
So, See Ya!

we only can wait...

Just the usual "everything is fine" cheer leading posts over there and this answer to question.

The floods excuse isn't being used till next week

Mine was delayed a few days too.

Just make sure you keep your $10 in your balance.

It will be charged eventually.

ahh.. i see..

ok thanks!!

It looks that we'll have to wait another week before the AP issue gets sorted out.I wish Dave had started this program with the main T2 alertpay account under his own ownership.But anyways looks like another week of 100% compounding for me.


I hope that this excuse ain't used at all and will be glad to see you proven wrong lol...

I think its pretty unfair also that the admin was happy to receive LR deposits but has dragged his feet on getting LR setup for withdrawals.

he should never have allowed this to happen, but we can only wait I guess....

That seems pretty suspicious. It should not be a problem to withdraw to LR or STP if your system accepts those currencies. I dont see any difficult coding with adding the capability to withdraw using those two since they are not instant withdrawals.

my downline keep complaining about he cannot withdraw using LR. The error that mention he needs to use the most payment processor he used in T2 keep appearing..any advise please

lol, if ISPY invested in this one, I think he's gonna go bonkers.

I didn't -- yet.

Bonkers, no. Sorry would be more likely.

If this goes to court...we can kiss your money goodby. If not, we might get a partial refund from Ap.. after months and months in escrow. Regardless, a restructure will need to go into effect, sooner or later..don't you just love online investing.

I do believe you are 100% correct. Goodbye money.