well it seems time is over, so far i can say i lost like 30 here but time to move on, i will keep supporting chris and being paying attention to this thread, hope yuy (chris) can make a fair decision

Idk bout everyone else but right now I'm just gonna continue to surf. Yes I had around $500 in upgrades through LR that i'd enjoy to have but would even be great if SFS stays open and has new plans that I could re invest when things pick up with new ideas. So for now, I'ma surf even after my upgrades end because the owners of the sites that were provided to SFS for us to bring traffic to are expecting just that. Now if nobody surfs what is to keep them coming back to SFS looking for support from Chris? I say we keep it going so when Chris does have new plans and ideas, we keep the same investers and site owners coming back for more. Why not? I mean we have all these sites that are linked with SFS that will continue to pay Chris for advertising that will help us all out. I'm not the smartest guy in the world, nor do I know much about HYIPs and autosurfs but it seems pretty simple to me that this would be a good idea for us to try for now. Why not keep up the support? I'm confident Chris will have new ideas and plans soon.

Should I be scared now? Underestimating the opponent is the best way to defeat. I don't give a damn about you Edit: Namecalling

So is admin going to restart this site or am i now t a loss after putting money in here if so then am calling it a day with hyips sick of loseing now most never pay now and this is just adding to it and stopping working with this fricknig dam sites

Oh my now Children settle down haha

That will be the best approach ^^

Always Remember! The Feather is Mightier than the Sword.

An Intelligent fighter always has the upper hand
over someone like you. You would need a couple
of friends at your side.

With a grin on my face I'll be gentile with you all.

Now Listen! No more dirty talk or I'm
going to have to wash your mouth
WITH

cowboymt

hoping for the best ...

dhomnirhahs #7

can u please not close the site, but instead adjust the percentage rebates? thanks.

Well here is my Opinoin Since we know chris was a Honest Dedicated Admin I say he just start all over and just take LR .Some gained while others Lost but we all know these are like Gambling and I Respect Chris for Explaining that in is Interviews for those that Read them .He told it like it was and Never Mislead anyone .

i see folks joining*

It is very unfortunate that the program had to close this early. I consider 3 months early . But as they said, with the current situation in the surf industry as a whole, SureFireSurf has already done a good job. Now, it was clear that there will be losses , as well as winners in any site.

*rolls my eyes@the people crying thief* someone cant steal something from you if you agreed to the fact that you might not get your money back ( which is what you agreed to when you signed up as stated in the TOS).....

i was not in profit, the first time i cashed out i reinvested all of it, but because this man has the courage to come back in this thread and face us there's no way i could be mad. i emailed this admin asking if i could invest a certain amount into the program right before it closed, and instead of telling me a lie and running off with my money he told me not too. i am truly disgusted at the ones who has called this man a thief. i may not have posted much in here but i have definitely lurked. its sad to see all kinds of negative people post in a thread about a program when it closes but not one positive thing said when everything is fine and dandy. smh.. i hope for another good program chris, you have earned my trust from me. thank you

Well the scammer GnD also has the guts the continue posting in forums even though SWS scammed not only once but thrice. Instead of closing his site, he continues to sell his scam. Guess what, people still come...Hoping this time around it will be different. But of course in each case they will always get scammed ultimately because it is the nature of the admin involved to scam, even those that openly supports him in the forums.

What is the difference of GnD and Chris? GnD is not that well likable. But they both are shameless in that they steal from people and then they come back begging for more.

Ok people...come back soon as SFS seems to be opening again. Best rule is dont come back to the program that already scammed, or to the new program where you know the admin had scammed before. But of course...This time it could be different.

I'm gonna surprise some people by what I'm about to say, but.....

If anyone read this admin's interviews you would know what this program was because he as much as told you what it was - a game, where payouts to old members came from new members' money.

Besides, if you didn't know this already, you are a complete newbie, or just dumb.

And yes, I've been both.

Totally agree, doesn't matter how honest the admin is, most "moneymaking programs" on the net are ponzis.
New money coming in pays for present members invests......where do you honestly think it comes from?
Thats why 3months for a prog like this was quite an achievement. If you accept this when you sign up then,you don't get hurt as much....but I'm afraid, most of us....over time, have to find out the hard way.
Try not to get too bitter...its a waste of time.
Good luck to you all.


Edit, sry cant post your links in posts... you have a signature space use that!

thanks. lets hope for the best approach.

Great posts!
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Agreed,

And such as AP they also agreed to the
terms before they clicked the pay button.

I for one, and I'm sure I'm just not speaking for myself,
felt honored to work with Chris as a member of SFS.

There are those that just don't understand how this all works.
It's just simple math and strategy, that being said these
people get themselves in trouble through greed.

I would rather make a few bucks than lose a bunch.

Everyone has an idea of where to go from here and of
course I have my own. I'll send a support ticket.

Remember to always smile and life will reward you.

A sense of humor is key.

When you can't pay the rent and the utility is due
BE HAPPY! BE HAPPY!

When it seems like the whole world is coming down
BE HAPPY BE HAPPY


cowboymt

Yeah, what they said

Thanks guys, I am still thinking on what to do next. I am receiving many suggestions and tips via PM and YM. I will need more time to think what to do.

Hey Chris
We're glad to see that you still have us in your thoughts and are working on ways help those of us not in profit.
I'm sure I speak for many if not all of us when I say thank you for trying when many other admins would have just abandoned the program and started new ones under a new name.
This is the sign of an honest admin. There should be more PPL like you running these programs. There has been too much bad press about these types of things and PPl are becoming less and less trusting of them.

I for one would like to be notified if you intend to start a new project as I appreciate your honesty.
In the event you see your way clear to do refunds I would be happy with just my first spend of $10.00.
My account number is 3383 and my LR number is U1187452.

Once again thank you for your honesty and hope to hear from you.

good to hear

Sounds good

Well I hope that these good steps we take to be able to recover some of the investment. From me confidence admin does. It would be estimated from you in the next step for those who like us have lost money also have some "extra " fee or investment facilities.
Only with that gesture increase per thousand confidence.

Share with other users which is good to continue reading your post Admin.

Yours faithfully. (using google translate)

Well. I am really not sure what to do. I do not just want to suddenly open a new site like many suggest I do.

Why Not ?

Open a new site and redirect SFS domain to a new one , with exist server and dragonara protection

And then what? I don't think its as easy as that.

The site failed because of lack of member support, by not upgrading,

and hit and runners. What's going to be different this time?

The people who were in profit in SFS, probably won't invest because they don't

want to lose what they made, and the members who lost won't invest because

they are still owed money!!! So how successful do you think this one will be?

I maybe wrong, but this is how I see it anyways.

Sorry Chris, I wish I could be more positive.

Maybe someone can tell me how any ponzi can survive. If a program has no product or no way to generate revenue other than member upgrades, it will not and cannot last.

I don't get you people.

Chris is a good admin. If a new program is started, it shouldn´t be connected to SFS, but be something new. SFS RELOADED would cause what was mentioned by treebartt.

How is a program started anyway? There are so many programs out there and every one looks different. Isn´t there a standard script around like the old PTCs? Even a scammer who runs away after three days has a professional looking page with script, well made banners etc. Where do people get all this stuff? It takes me ages to make a crappy banner for myself

sorry for my english.. not good..

just my opinion..

chris say the main reason for all of this is because hit n runners n not many upgrades..

why dont you just pun in the agreement.. whoever join the program.. they have to agree for forced upgrades, like..

user whom invest $5 agree to 1 unit/$5 forced upgrades after each expiration.. means he/she only can withdraw profit..

whoever invest $25 agree to 2 units/$10 forced upgrades.. this means he/she can withdraw $15 of investment + profit n re-enter/upgrade with $10..

$50 investment = 3 units/$15 forced upgrades..

$75 investment = 4 units/$20 forced upgrades.. n so on..

can this work?

but dun think daily profit will work with this kind of plan.. only expiry plan..

but i honestly think.. chris have to find a way so that his site can make money.. if just using users upgrades to pay others.. i dont think any program can last for a long time..

again.. sorry for my english..

He can't just open a new site. It will still become like SFS, he has to think of new ways to increase the revenue of the site. He should consider putting a PTC with it. A traffic exchange site and social networking site like swom or people string. Having all of those on one site will be such a good idea. But again it's just my opinion. Lol. Wish I could build that thing myself. Being an honest man i think he deserves another chance, but he needs to plan things more in the future.

Yah it's all over the net this days. Scripts and sites can be made like in a snap of a finger. But a ponzi alone will have a hard time surviving. Better think of something to add more income.

Do any STP refunds have been issued here? has anyone received any?

First off if you agree to an auto upgrade after a $5 expiring plan you wouldn't be able to buy an upgrade with the current plans of 144%. It would have to be more like a $15 upgrade right from the start.
Next in order to get rid of the HIT AND RUNNERS you have to limit the amount that someone can invest. No more $500 investments not even $50.
If you were only allowed to invest say $10 at a time and you had to surf everyday, 12 days before you could WD meaning no daily WDs that would give the program time gather more funds before a payout.
Having a forced upgrade is only going to make PPL think their money is going to be lost if the program closes.
That's like telling PPL they have to leave money in the program.
Bad idea. I wouldn't go into a program like that and I don't too many others will either.

Today between SFS and notice a good thing. Cris also suspended the possibility to invest in this surfer. I sincerely believe that it is a larger sample of confidence.

And that could well have let others continue to invest when the surfer is already fallen. (and still get income). but did not.

Congratulations Cris Admin. Every time I see it more reliable

Yes, Chris did that as soon as he announced the program was closing. I always respect an admin who does that.

Personally, I do not see a future for SFS, or SFS II or another program with Chris' name on it, at least not for now. People will trash it and it will go nowhere. I have see it before.

It was great while it lasted.

I always thought! where there's a will, there's a way.

That's the cowboy way.
When you crawl in the chute with a ton of pissed off animal,
and no longer understand how your mind works,
you can forget about collecting the check.

Give Chris some time to polish his spurs.

This gos good with a cup of coffee and watching the sun rise.

WILD HORSES
ROLLING STONES
http://www.stonestube.net/video.php?title=Wild%20Horses


WILD HORSES
SUSAN BOYAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb3XAP0c8WU

May ya all have a blessed day.

cowboymt

I agree and great songs by the way

Thanks Matt,

Without music? What kind of a society would we be entitled to?

I remember a long time ago, when we were kids.

What some remember and what others remember are two different things.
I was raised kinda hard but the end result of what I went through can be
identified through the smile on my face.

I never had the privilege of someone telling me they loved me or the hugs
that identify, but what I got was the privilege of growing up early.

There’s a lot I don’t know about! what a privileged life is as far as family,
But what I do know is without music I would have done something a long time
ago that in the eyes of God I would have been failed.

Life is what it is and if you don’t have the power to change it, you should throw away the oars. That’s not the way I see it.

This brings me to Danny V.
My intention was not to create a problem but to fix one. Sorry Danny that you came here so angry but I assure you buddy we all love you. You just approached on the wrong page.

I haven’t slept for about 48 hours thinking about this whole situation and what
the mathematical cure could be???

This is much different than what I emailed you Chris, But I am so confident that I
would like to receive some personal feedback from you but also the MMG Staff.

I would like to PM those in confidence.


Without a doubt in my mind I think everyone can be made whole and also retrieve a
substantial profit.

This is SFS and Chris’s program and I would like to make a subsequent proposal only with Chris’s permission.

This ones for you Danny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue3M_kxb85Y

cowboymt

@cowboymt,
you posts are a joy to read and thanks for posting some nice songs too

I am sure that all suggestions are welcome, we have had these types of discussions around the place before, and it is interesting to read what people think and what their creative minds are up to also
If you want to send PMs for advise or feedback, then I am sure there is no problem with that.
I can't speak for others, but a PM to me is exactly that, a Personal Message and it is obviously in confidence.
The only PMs I don't want to be getting are the ones with spam and those asking for special favours ...

Thats what i received from alertpay.Is everyone's ap account funds received from Chris are frozen?.i'm just asking.


Hello,

As we mentioned in our previous message to you, we have reason to believe that the funds you have received from surefiresurf@yahoo.com may be of a questionable nature. AlertPay has no choice but to take action when transactions such these are flagged in our systems. We recommend that you stop your service to the sender of these funds until our investigation has been completed.

Please allow our Security and Loss Prevention teams 60 days from today's date to complete their investigations.

We thank you for your patience and understanding.

Thank You Mordk,

Sometimes I talk to much but I’m not speaking about myself.

We are all only a mirror image of anther person’s life. What they feel
and what they go through is important to each and everyone of us.
No matter how anyone sees it, we are all bothers and sisters.

The beginning of life is something we can all see but most of us are blind
to the ending! This is for a reason.

I very much enjoy MMG and all the wonderful people and personalities
that comes with each person.
Personality is like a finger print, there are no two the same.

We are all concerned about the future of SFS, but what’s really important
is how Chris is handling things. What’s he feeling and what he is thinking?
I’m repeating myself but I have to say he has proven himself as probably
the most honest admin I have ever seen on the net.

A fine gentleman he is

I have sent you a pm. I don’t know if what I say makes sense because people
see numbers differently. Numbers do lie especially if the person calculating
is blind in a sense of excitement. All of or most of this internet stuff is new to me
and perhaps what I say might not make sense to you or others.

What I do know is no matter how things work out, I have always believed
the greatest asset any human can possess is their health.
Bless those that are not so fortunate.

cowboymt

Making a saint out of a sinner.

May I ask you a question? Did somebody, at some point tell you that this site was something other than a ponzi? If so, who? I would definitely have a beef with somebody who lied to me, that's why I'm asking.

Sorry Danny,

I guess you just don't get it???

Have a nice day.

cowboymt

So TRUE

"sinner" is an understatement. More like a shameless scammer.

Jeezis....

....and did somebody tell you that this was something other than what it was? You may take my question as rhetorical, as I haven't had one response from you that could be deemed as coherent, so don't strain yourself.