You go girl!
I think one of mine cycled yesterday as well!
YaY!

Not sure if the matrix is hotter or the giants are after just scoring a huge td.

That sack was big time and now the Giants can drive for the winning field goal!

Oh that hurt Manning just got sacked.

It was fairly easy for me.
Bank info w/ voided check, Driver's License and Cell phone bill.
They state the verification process takes minimum 7 business days
and it took 8 business days for mine, indeed.

If you have a debit card that is attached to your bank account, just add that under the credit card section. Then make a small deposit to your STP account via that bank card. After you do that you will be considered CREDIT CARD verified & you can withdraw your money from STP to that bank card & into your checking or savings account that is attached to that card. It's an easier way to get verified. I did that and it works like a charm. I have no issues funding with my bank card or withdrawing my money to the card. It gets to my bank in about 3 business days.

I saw they specify the members can't withdraw to a debit card.
Does it mean the debit card has no logos of Master or Visa?

Your account is very small and the calculations are different for smaller accounts. It looks like you have benefited from the restart..

Carl was asked the same question in todays conference and he mentioned that he cant answer the question as to why the tripler CAD was divided by 30. He mentioned its a decision by the company and he would not answer any questions related to that.. This guy is getting in my nerves..

Regarding the patent.. Carl has a very beautiful story. Looks like the owner of that patent contact the non existent Frederick Mann and seems like he got a license from this gentleman who got this patent in 1995. Mann did this to make them a legal entity in the US.

What a ball of crap? Why would someone even believe this and how does this license on the patent make them more prominent.

another matrix cycled. bought premium placements again & requested a cashout too

You know that you have to prove your allegation else you are at risk of being banned, right?

Not all accounts are the same, so post your Restart history so we can analyze here if you lost or not.

And oh good work in praising the copycat program. You seemed to be uber enthusiastic on that one, even though right now everything is still based on promises.

2012-01-23 01:54:06 -2294214 Rebate from Your Filled Matrix
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You've got cash!

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Your previous posts made the impression that all members lost in the recent restart to the tune of $30 to a JSS position. That's why I posted my account status to say otherwise. And now it seems like you're contradicting what you've posted.

Thanks I'm happy to post this :

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You can if the card uses a Mastercard or VISA logo. I used my debit card with no problem and it has one of those logos. Most debit cards do as far as I know.

Thanks for the info.
I too was waiting for bank verification to be completed as I read on the withdrawls page that withdrawls can only be made to credit cards.
I will verify my card asap and try to withdraw a small amount.

You're welcome. Glad to have helped

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STP withdraw fee increased this morning. Still better than the AP fee.

Withdrawl Fees
AlertPay - 8%
Liberty Reserve - 2%
Perfect Money - 4%
SolidTrust Pay - 4%

Darn, I tried making a withdraw around 9:30 pm EST, and it said the daily limit had been reached. Now, I have to pay 4% instead of 2%. There must be more people withdrawing via STP, hence the raise in the limit again. I hope they put it back down to 2%, but yes it still is better than 8%.

paid as usualy.

Got 2 Matrix cycled

This E-mail is to inform you that your JSS Matrix

HAS JUST BEEN FILLED!

The payment of the following member was the last one
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I hope this time Restart will occur more late..trying to build my tripler again.

i dont think he realizes he has to proove these things lol and based on him joining here just yesterday id say he does that often but no worries here at jbp:)

Emails from the system are getting a little faster. My matrices which cycled yesterday afternoon I just received the emails letting me know they cycled. Less than 24 hours this time.

Cycling time for Premium placements still taking right at 2 weeks. Mine which cycled yesterday were at day 14. I have some which I upgraded to Expedited before Christmas but they haven't cycled. We can assume you must upgrade to Premium or they may never cycle now that the restarts have added so many matrices to fill.

Well I have several more matrices with Premiums on day 11 and 12 so they should cycle this week. Keep them coming.

Prove the allegations.. If you could take some time to read whats mentioned in the 12 page patent they claim to be theirs, you'll understand. From the email which said that their program is protected with US patents, he quickly changed to they had a license for that patent. The program is already good and there is no need for them to come up with c o ck and bull stories. Please spend 10 minutes of your time and read the patent. Honestly, I don't really care if you threaten me getting banned for a simple post; this is a forum after all where we could have a healthy conversation about all online programs. In the end of the day, We are all here to make money.

And with my restart, I got a clarification from Frederick Mann that the positions were converted at 30$ a piece. I am not a new member of JBP and do know the program in and out. Have made over 25k till date and am not against JBP and and not promoting T2. My only message in that topic was wishing all those people who had potentially lost money and there were some updates that they have started to pay. For the record, when that program launched, hearing the name, I ran in the opposite direction and I do not have any investments there or even a free account with them.

I am more than happy with JBP but all I was trying to say was that the admins are getting a little greedy these days. But still, its the only place where anyone could earn money with ease.

Peace.....!

Am sorry about that. I did not know that before you showed you stats and before I got an answer from the conf room regarding the same. Ideally the calculations should have been the same for all members if the system is not biased.

Am happy for you thou Good luck pal..

It is pretty obvious with his post count and his timing that he is only here to try to cast doubt on the real one while trying to bolster the "other" one. His calculations make no sense at all.

The post count in this forum has nothing to do with the knowledge in the program. If my calculations make no sense, just try this..

In the back office of tripler, click 'latest restart' .. Take the value mentioned in 'tripler before CAD' subtract with 'tripler after CAD' and from the value you get, divide by the number of positions given to you.. What ever number turns up, thats the value you have paid for every position that were converted to JSS. I checked this for my team and all accounts had a minimum of 100 triplers converted and all of them came to 30$ per position.

Just because someone's account is small and have benefited from the restart, u cant ignore the ones who have lost money. I am accountable to my referrals.

I'd mention it again that I am not against restart and not against JBP but have little concerns with the previous restart. I am not with the other program and not promoting it for heavens sake..

I stand corrected then.

Read my reply again. I highlighted the part "the non-existent Frederick Mann" which means you are saying in your comment that Mr. Mann is fictional. I am not asking you to prove the patent, just that part where you say Mr. Mann is not existing. But in your latest post you said you got clarification from Frederick Mann, which means you just contradicted what you posted earlier because here you acknowledge that Mr. Mann exists.

So which one: you lied about him not existing, you lied about talking to Mr. Mann, or you lied on both.

I dont see any reason why you will be outraged by the patent at all unless you are the owner of another program who wants to copy that patented system. You complained about the matrixes and then it shifted to the patent. It doesnt look like the same issue to me. Meanwhile, there seems to be nothing wrong you can see on the copycat program, not even the fact that it is still not paying a single cent to any members for more than a month now.

And I dont threaten you. I am just reminding you of the fact. I dont have any authority here to ban you, but any of us can get banned if MMG found out you break the forum rules.

Brian,

Your calculation comes close - $30 and change. I never calculated it that way. I was talking about what the conversion rate was for the forced expired Triplers. If you go to your back off and check how many Triplers you had previously to how many you have now (subtract) - and divide that by the number of Triplers they gave you - then you'll see the rate was at 2.6-2.7. That was the actual cost of your Triplers at the time of purchase.

I'm not so sure that projecting forward to future earnings works in this scenario because it's future earnings. You're saying that it cost $30.00 per position but really it doesn't because that is not money earned just yet. The real scenario is the 2.7 # less what you have already earned from the $10.00 investment whether it be 50 cents or whatever it was. We could take the time to go through hundreds of Triplers but I'm not going to do that. So the "actual cost" of the new Matrix is 2.7 ($27.00) less what you have already earned on those Triplers.

I see where you're coming from, I understand your approach - I'm not knocking your approach, I'm just saying that I don't think future earnings applies in this situation when attempting to calculate that you really don't make more money AFTER the restart. Although your approach definitely supports it.

Either no one disputes my calculation a few pages back - or people just flat out don't care. I think the latter is true because it seems like people only care right now if their matrices are cycling - not realizing that they would have made more money had the restart never even occurred. They still could have had their matrices cycle.

By the way - saying Fredrick Mann is non existent does not constitute any violation that I'm aware of. You just said he was non-existent, you didn't say in what context. Maybe you meant he was non-existent on this message board, maybe non-existent in the United States or during the chat conferences.

Thanks for the clarifications mate. I tried out your calculation in my account and it comes to exactly 3. You are right in saying that it includes the future earnings as well. But I also think tripler CAD calculation does not consider the full future earnings. It assumes 50% of earnings as per FAQ, but it could be different in the last restart. So, I guess the CAD calculation takes into account the amount already earned by our existing positions. Some might have earned more than 50% ie., $7.5 and some less. More than 200 positions of mine earned less than 0.4$. I guess this doesn't impact CAD since its calculated based on the number of positions we have and not on when the positions were bought.

What I am trying to say is had it been converted at 20$ per position like last time, all of us would have more JSS positions. What this means is that there is potentially a good chance for all of us to cycle more matrices and earn more money.

And yeah.. Thanks for standing by for the 'non existent F Mann' comment. You are a good fit to become a successful lawyer

Good for you moneymakingguy offers an idea of an alibi for free. Lawyers will charge you thousands of bucks for that. Although I still find it lame, since the first time I read it until now, it registers as you mean that Mr. Mann is non-existent in this universe and Carl just made him up.

Hi guys,
Nice discussion going on here.
I skipped a few pages and but happened to noptice that it was a long discussion.
All the points put forward by brian and moneymakingguy makes complete.

I was just checking your calculations.

You are absolutely correct. Even small accounts don't benefit from this at all.


Positions and Earnings Before Restart
No. JSS-Tripler Positions JSS-Tripler Earnings Tripler CAD Before No. JSS Positions JSS Earnings Total Earnings
44 $8.80/day $374 4 $240 $614

Percentage of JSS-Tripler Positions Converted to JSS Positions (ACP): 75%
No. of Your JSS-Tripler Positions Converted: 33
No. of JSS Positions Given: 11

Positions and Earnings After Restart
Cash No. JSS-Tripler Positions JSS-Tripler Earnings Tripler CAD After No. JSS Positions JSS Earnings Total Earnings
$11.80 11 $2.20/day $32 15 $900 $932


They forgot that when my 44 positions expire regularly, they would have given me 11 positions, so I would have earned, $374+$240+$660 from my new positions, which is around 1274$, which is around 200$ more than 932$+120$ from my expiring tripler matrices.

For a small account of mine, we have 200$ loss. I don't know about all the biggies, they must have lost a lot and might not be thinking about it.
They must be just concentrating on the quick money, rather than more money.

Whatever is the case, JBP is the best available as of yet, so we can't do anything but stick with them.
Long Live JBP!!!!!

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Does anyone know how often they reset all accounts? i am new to Jss, and i dont want to buy lots of positions and then lose them the next day.

There is a missing number in your computations: how much have you earned so far before the restart? How much have you compounded? That also is one of the factors to determine CAD and how many triplers will be converted. Therefore you cannot compute what you will earn just by looking at the restart table.

Not true. His calculations are fairly simple and straight to point. He is not taking how CAD is calculated. How many JSS positions were given from the tripler CAD.

CAD calculation is fair; Some positions might have earned more and some not. And since the positions that had earned for 0 days were also included, its good to conclude that CAD value is not incline towards us. And what ever be the case, for bigger accounts, since the positions were made at 30$, even if you cycle you actually make only 30$ from 60$. Assuming you spend on placements and positions, you subtract 20$ more from it which is like 10$ from all the matrices that cycle.

Btw, are you one of the mods?

Nope, not one of the mods.

Read the FAQ:

Assumption #2: For your positions to be converted the "Cash Amount Due" (CAD) is the amount you would still have to earn before these positions mature. The tables assume that your CAD is 75% (half of 150%) of your "total 2% earnings." (In practice your CAD may be higher or lower than 75%, depending on how much you've earned so far.)

Yeah, I know this FAQ and that's what I have mentioned in my note. What's your point?

There's no rule of thumb to go by on this one, unless you consider the following to be just that.

A restart (that's the word JBP uses) could happen a half year from now, but could also be tomorrow. Restarts will typically happen when there are less incoming payments from tripler purchases than JBP is paying by default (2% on a daily basis).

Disregarding the rule of thumb - Carl stated that restarts will happen faster now. 2-3 months seems like a more likely scenario.

Also, keep in mind that they can always initiate a FULL restart which would restart both Tripler and your Matrix positions which Carl also mentioned.

I would think they need not do even mini-restarts until after 75 days or we wouldn't be able to promoted earn 2% daily to 150%. The site still states you can turn $10 into a fortune. I guess you can but it would take years with the restarts. I am hopeful the next restart is better balanced to help the smaller players vs the heavy players which are withdrawing $1,000 per day. According to one of their recent communications they are going to do just that.

Yeah it definitely feels like most are on full withdraw mode or partial reinvest mode at this point. That's just the feel I'm getting. From the boards and the conference room that seems to be the general theme. Sure, that's a small slice of the volume of members.. but hey - they can predict an election with only 5% of the precincts reporting right? Except when Dewey won. lol.

The company simply cannot sustain itself under those circumstances. Hopefully I can get all my seed money back.

same here ladym12 i hope someone can update us what,s happening with withdrawals*

So far all of my withdraw requests have gone through. I request withdrawals at 6:30am EST if that helps.

~SIGH~ I just tried again after I got home from work to make a withdrawal at around 5:30 pm EST and no go. I'm going to try again early tomorrow morning. It seems trying to withdraw from STP is getting to be like it was with people trying to withdraw from AP a few weeks ago. It seemed no matter what time of the day people tried withdrawing from AP, they couldn't get a withdrawal to go through. I will be up bright & early tomorrow morning to put in my request.

ETA ~ I don't want to make a request via AP, because the 8% is too much to pay. I want to be able to get a certain amount out & requesting via AP would not give me that desired amount.

STP is my preferred PP with JBP, too. I was able to withdraw from STP to my credit card twice already; the withdrawal fee is very minimal at $5.

With today's cycling, I have cycled 45% of my matrices so far.
How does it stack up to you guys?

45%.. thats cool.. You are on a roll.. I stand at 6% cycling.

But around 20% of my matrices are on the verge of cycling.. Its just a matter of days.. Keep up the good work bro..

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