I think that we are getting to the point where we need more DD on these admins. Lets face it, several people are earning $10k per month and are investing small fortunes. Now that we have moved from the hit and run double society into the double every week sites we need to demand more information from these admins.
These doublers are taking in $100k's per month. At this alarming amount every doubler should have an office and atleast 3-4 landlines so that they can be contacted. At a 5-10% admin fee they are making enough to cover this stuff.
To encure that we have honest and safe admins we need a DD organization. These doublers are no longer one time $1k doublers, but more like $1k an hour. If admins are taking in this much we need large amounts of personal information.
What do you think? What should be necessary?
I think that this screening would increase the quality and amount of long term doublers.
Radmax
Nov 26 2004, 10:35 PM
I don't think there is a way to do anything like this for a variety of reasons. Most notably, MMG does not yet hold enough power to force admins of these large programs to be held accountable to us.
rosettaresearch
Nov 26 2004, 11:46 PM
True, but good admins interested in building their programs will provide necessary business information.
We can choose not to invest in ones who won't provide the information.
Won't stop them, can't force them to provide it, but we can decide who we invest with. If a program wants out money, however much that might be, they can provide the info.
TheMobileHookup
Nov 27 2004, 05:35 AM
Maybe peopel don't want everyone in the world having their information. Has anyone ever thought of that?
alexeow
Nov 27 2004, 05:55 AM
Some of the admin even hide behind the private domain whois service and never disclose themselve at any place.
wallym
Nov 27 2004, 06:26 AM
come to think of it...admins shouldn't wait to be asked to give additional information...giving such information should be their responsibility in the first place...if they've got nothing to hide, the information should be available immediately...this way, their prospects will be more at ease...
hope i'm making some sense...
TheMobileHookup
Nov 27 2004, 06:42 AM
Some people enjoy their privacy...
Kenny
Nov 27 2004, 06:49 AM
well wallstreetdoubler will have a phone number on the site.... straight to Dans house (snake, co-owner) that should be up shortly ( as soon as the phone company hooks it up) if you have any questions about wallstreet doubler , just send snake a pm thru the site with ya phone number and he will happily call ya anytime!
stockbroker
Nov 27 2004, 11:16 AM
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Nov 27 2004, 08:42 AM)
Some people enjoy their privacy... [right][snapback]61307[/snapback][/right]
Then they shouldnt start doublers that investments will rank in the hundreds of thousands. I think that it shouldn't be a problem at all to give this information if your site is going to bring in that much money.
TheMobileHookup
Nov 27 2004, 12:36 PM
QUOTE(stockbroker @ Nov 27 2004, 02:16 PM)
Then they shouldnt start doublers that investments will rank in the hundreds of thousands. I think that it shouldn't be a problem at all to give this information if your site is going to bring in that much money. [right][snapback]61466[/snapback][/right]
Sure, blame the owner and not the person who puts the money in. Do you know how many problems admins have because of people who want "information"? Do you know how many sickos are out there just waiting for that information? Why do you think most use a corporation now, because they don't want the hassle.
If that information is that important to you than I feel sorry for you because there have been a lot who have opened sites and ran off and acted as if they were the most trustworthy people on the planet...
stockbroker
Nov 27 2004, 12:40 PM
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Nov 27 2004, 02:36 PM)
Sure, blame the owner and not the person who puts the money in. Do you know how many problems admins have because of people who want "information"? Do you know how many sickos are out there just waiting for that information? Why do you think most use a corporation now, because they don't want the hassle.
If that information is that important to you than I feel sorry for you because there have been a lot who have opened sites and ran off and acted as if they were the most trustworthy people on the planet... [right][snapback]61512[/snapback][/right]
I dont need their 100% information, a name, phone number, and office adress would suffice.
Radmax
Nov 27 2004, 12:48 PM
I don't think the admins should be required to give their information, but if they give it out on their own, I am going to feel safer spending larger amounts of cash. We cant force admins to give us their information, and I will still invest in programs where the admin doesn't give his or her information out - I'll just procede with a little more caution.
rosettaresearch
Nov 27 2004, 01:29 PM
These people are running a business. Legitimate business have contact information. If they want privacy, they should not run a business.
Yes, we are the ones responsible for investing and some people are a little too quick to jump the admin at the first hint of trouble. However, if someone is handling my money, I want to know who that person is. I really don't think that is that unreasonable.
Radmax
Nov 27 2004, 01:33 PM
Most of these programs are not registered legitimate businesses though :\
freeboi
Nov 27 2004, 01:51 PM
I know where this thread is leading to again. Just because a private doubler does not have an office doesn't mean it will run off with our money. We knew from the beginning that it was a private thing, and we still joined it. And now we are forcing it to become public? And just because a private has an office doesn't mean it will not run off with our money in the end. It's really hard to predict these things.
TheMobileHookup
Nov 27 2004, 01:54 PM
Everyone has the right to their own privacy just like I'm sure many of you don't go posting all your information everywhere. They can choose to post it or not, it's up to them.
Does anyone know all the workers at Microsoft? No but they still buy. Who's to say that you're getting real information anyway.
I know I wouldn't want my address and whatnot all over the net. I get enough death threats as it is without that.
FinallyRetire
Nov 27 2004, 01:56 PM
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Nov 27 2004, 04:54 PM)
Everyone has the right to their own privacy just like I'm sure many of you don't go posting all your information everywhere. They can choose to post it or not, it's up to them.
Does anyone know all the workers at Microsoft? No but they still buy. Who's to say that you're getting real information anyway.
I know I wouldn't want my address and whatnot all over the net. I get enough death threats as it is without that. [right][snapback]61547[/snapback][/right]
Who would want to kill you?
rosettaresearch
Nov 27 2004, 02:00 PM
Do you want the list alphabetically or chronologically. Maybe by theme?
freeboi
Nov 27 2004, 02:06 PM
QUOTE(rosettaresearch @ Nov 28 2004, 06:00 AM)
Do you want the list alphabetically or chronologically. Maybe by theme? [right][snapback]61549[/snapback][/right]
TheMobileHookup
Nov 27 2004, 02:14 PM
Women...
Can't live with 'em and not enough clips for the uzi
ASFx
Nov 27 2004, 02:27 PM
I have heard about many cases where admins got death threats, mailbomb threats, threats to their family, etc.. People will call the owner's house and say every mean thing that they can think of and act like they werent aware of the risks. Just ask a lot of the admins here on MMG some things they have heard from their customers after their programs slowed down.
If I ever started my own program where people could end up losing hundreds or thousands of dollars in the end (I probably wouldnt), the FIRST thing I would do is use a WHOIS protection service so that I wouldnt end up getting death threats by someone who caused their own problems in the first place by investing money they obviously couldnt afford to lose.
freeboi
Nov 27 2004, 02:34 PM
QUOTE(ASFx @ Nov 28 2004, 06:27 AM)
I have heard about many cases where admins got death threats, mailbomb threats, threats to their family, etc.. People will call the owner's house and say every mean thing that they can think of and act like they werent aware of the risks. Just ask a lot of the admins here on MMG some things they have heard from their customers after their programs slowed down.
If I ever started my own program where people could end up losing hundreds or thousands of dollars in the end (I probably wouldnt), the FIRST thing I would do is use a WHOIS protection service so that I wouldnt end up getting death threats by someone who caused their own problems in the first place by investing money they obviously couldnt afford to lose. [right][snapback]61566[/snapback][/right]
Sad--but very true.
rosettaresearch
Nov 27 2004, 02:43 PM
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Nov 27 2004, 03:14 PM)
Women...
Get live with 'em and not enough clips for the uzi [right][snapback]61559[/snapback][/right]
I assume you meant "can't live with 'em"
Liked the uzi line though, can I use that about men?
TheMobileHookup
Nov 27 2004, 02:43 PM
See...I knew I wasn't the only one.
TheMobileHookup
Nov 27 2004, 02:43 PM
QUOTE(rosettaresearch @ Nov 27 2004, 05:43 PM)
I assume you meant "can't live with 'em"
Liked the uzi line though, can I use that about men? [right][snapback]61572[/snapback][/right]
Yeah yeah lot on my mind lately...typos happen
Can't live with 'em...
Kenny
Nov 27 2004, 02:47 PM
well wa360group and wallstreet have very accessable admin... whats the point behind this thread?
If you want information on someone just spend a few bucks online and you can get anything on anyone, doesnt matter if the whois is blocked or not....
TheMobileHookup
Nov 27 2004, 02:49 PM
This thread is wasted space...(opinion)
If someone wants to reveal their information then so be it, but if they choose privacy then let them have it. No need to worry if they are private or not because you can be scammed easier by someone who is "trustworthy"
FinallyRetire
Nov 27 2004, 02:54 PM
QUOTE(TheMobileHookup @ Nov 27 2004, 05:49 PM)
This thread is wasted space...(opinion)
If someone wants to reveal their information then so be it, but if they choose privacy then let them have it. No need to worry if they are private or not because you can be scammed easier by someone who is "trustworthy" [right][snapback]61579[/snapback][/right]
Agreed, just adds to post count
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