WorldVentures Co-Founders Wayne Nugent and Mike Azcue Are Looking to Revolutionize Online Travel
Dallas, TX (PRWEB) November 17, 2005 -- WorldVentures today announced they will be launching their cutting-edge new travel portal December 10th, 2005.

Currently in the final stages of beta testing, WorldVentures’ new proprietary search engine technology, called PowerSearch™, will be able to search up to 200 sites at the click of a button. This meta-search technology scours air, hotel, car, cruise and vacation sites to find the best deals and then provides links to those sites.

The PowerSearch technology is uniquely combined with an online community and user reviews to create a one-stop shop for both travel research and booking. To build customer loyalty in a notoriously fickle market WorldVentures is using a word-of-mouth or viral marketing model to drive traffic to the site. “Not only do we have an incredibly dynamic site, but we’ve got a way for people to earn commissions from traffic on their site by becoming home-based referring travel agents,” said WorldVentures Co-Founder Wayne Nugent. “We’re doing what no one else has done in this business before.”

Even during their Pre-Launch phase WorldVentures has already attracted over 2000 agents from across the country that are drawn to the flexibility and high earning potential. Founders Wayne Nugent and Mike Azcue, experienced marketing professionals, are determined to build a strong foundation for growth. Selecting dynamic CEO Dan Stammen, backed by veteran COO Ken Doherty, WorldVentures is assembling a dream team to propel the young company to the forefront of the travel community.

WorldVentures is an Internet based business with management offices located in Texas-USA. www.worldventures.biz

We have calls Monday thru Thursday evenings so if anyone is interested in hearing more you can call any of these:

5 minute sizzle number: 212-990-7445

12 minute business overview: 212-990-7446

Nightly at 9PM CST: 435-871-6050 Pin 904188#

For WorldVentures
Ken Doherty
214.705.7711

Fore more information PM me or go to my .com website and ask for more information.
Kim

I would appreciate some feedback on this.

There is a full power point presentation when you click on 'The Program' on the .biz website.

Also a few short movies on the website.

There are three different products with WV.
Dream Trips
Referal Travel Agent
Booking Travel Agent

Just curious about your thoughts concerning the products and if you like the idea.



Thanks

Kim

Nobody?

I realize I am new here to the forum, joined a while ago but don't post much so you dont know me from Adam (or Eve).

Constructive criticism is also welcome......

K

I am leaving next week for Las Vegas for our official launch on the 10th. All of our sites will be live after that time.

You will be able to see the search engine, etc. For now anyone interested can go to my website and watch a great power point presentation that explains the system and how it works.

I also realized you cant pm me cause I dont have enough posts. To get in touch with me just go to my .com site below and send me a message through that site. My e-mail address is there also.

Have a great day.

Kim

WorldVentures is moving up in the search engines.

I found this review of the company. You have to scroll down to November 16, it is a good review.
www.salesfreak.com

Any comments?

K

The launch event was held in Las Vegas this weekend at The Venetian.

PowerSearch is up and running. It is really cool. I will search up to 200 travel sites all over the internet and bring back all the prices, with the cheapest first. You can sort by carrier, number of stops.

Will sort Vacation packages, flights, hotels, car rentals and coming soon cruises.

All of the corprate staff was there. Wayne Nugent, Mike Ascue, Dan Stammen, Ken Doherty, Jefferson Santos, Steve Little, and others.

Vegas was so much fun. We have never been there before and had a great time, of course did not see 1/8 of what was there. Too much to do and so little time.

Have a great day all.

Kim

I'm dissapointed no one likes this program. It really is unique once you take a close look at it.

Power Search
Dream Trips
and Booking agents

all in one program, plus the comp plan.

Dream trip to Jamacia in February is really great. $299 all inclusive, land only. Room rates for this hotel are $230/night plus taxes, etc. Take a look and compare for yourself....

Dear WorldVentures™ Team

We would like to wish you and yours a VERY Happy New Year! We're about to turn the corner and get this party started!! Let's make 2006 the BEST year of your life!

As some of you have probably already noticed, the February DreamTrip™ to Jamaica is now up in your back office and we are accepting reservations effective immediately! We’ve been working non-stop for the last several weeks to put this trip together and we think you’re going to love it.

Join us for an escape to Montego Bay, Jamaica where you’ll experience the relaxed Caribbean life at the deluxe ocean-front Rosehall Resort and Country Club. Formerly an 18th Century Sugar plantation, the resort is now home to the Robert Von Hagge-designed championship golf course. When you’re not on the links you can lounge in the lazy river, take a trip down the water slide or just relax by the waterfalls and three terraced pools. This trip is an all-inclusive, land-only vacation that’s the perfect alternative to the chill of February.

In addition to all the amenities and activities that the resort offers, including six lighted tennis courts, snorkeling, a private beach, and a slot machine casino, we’ve also arranged for extra special treatment for our members. Want to play golf? You can get on the course for 50% off the regular rate. We’ve also arranged for a cocktail reception on Friday so you can meet your fellow members and start building relationships. How about a full site inspection so you can learn all about the property? Oh, and don’t worry about transfers from the airport, because those are included too.

You can now make your reservations online! Simply click the link below (or copy it into your web browser)

Download the PDF Flyer Here

http://world.worldventures.biz/admin/orderfrm.html

Here's a link to the Rosehall Resort!
http://www.rosehallresort.com/

If you have any questions at all, please email: dreamtrips@worldventures.com

We can’t wait for you to come along to this tropical paradise on the second DreamTrip of 2006. So pack your bags, send in your reservations now, and we’ll see you on the beach!



Your Partners in Success,

The WorldVentures Travel Team

Paul Zane Pilzer is speaking at our corporate even in Dallas next month.

Here are some links to give more information about him.

He wrote a book "The Next Millionaires" very interesting!!! Everyone here should read this whether you are interested in World Ventures or not. The article is completely generic.

http://www.paulzanepilzer.com/bio.htm

http://www.paulzanepilzer.com/TNM-June2005-Article[1].pdf


Have a grat day.

Kim

The Dallas event is over and tons of new stuff announced. World Ventures is really moving forward.

I know there are alot of other travel companies out there right now, you need to really check them out to see what you are getting for your money.

Here is the link for the update call they did yesterday, it gives specifics on new announcements and enhancements to the system.
http://www.vacationsalesforce.com/wst_page6.html

One great new thing is a 'Community' or 'Forum' at the site where you can go in and get or read reviews about places, hotels, cruises, airlines, etc all around the world. Just like Trip Advisor....except when you then book a trip Trip Advisor sends you to Expedia, because Expedia ownes it. Ours will send you to the company with the best price.

Condo Hot weeks will be out soon, along with vacation home rentals.....these are actual homes for rent at destinations all around the world!

This is really a long term home business opportunity that will make you residual income for years and years, and you can will it to your children so they can benefit from it years from now too!

Just think of all the tax deductions you could have had with a home business like this!!!!


Have a great day

Hear from CEO, Dan Stammen, COO Ken Doherty#1 Earner Steve Little, #2 Earner Jefferson Santos-Co-Founders Wayne Nugent & Mike Azcue as they cover:


State Of the Company
New Travel Releases
New marketing tools releases
Power Search Releases& More!

http://www.vacationsalesforce.com/wst_page6.html


If you guys think GIT is interesting then this will blow you away!!!!! GIT PLUS so much more!!!!

With all of the other travel companies popping up on the boards I just had to revisit this thread.

I am still with World Ventures, lots of good things happening with them. We just had our travel sites redone with a lot of updates, etc.

All of the travel companies are good, you just have to do some research and find the one that will work best for you. World Ventures is the one I liked.

Good luck and have a great day all.

ZuZu

6 Months since the launch of World Ventures: Here is an update:

GOOD NEWS!
Ø WV reported that Group Travel Bookings are up 500%.
Ø Coming soon: ability to enroll reps using a cell phone, new and exciting press releases, etc. (The world is about to hear of World Ventures.)
Ø 5,000 paychecks went out in June.
Ø We have over 17,000 reps now and we are just 7 months old. The largest MLM travel company in world has 25,000 Reps and they are 5 1/2 years old.
Ø Our growth was 21% from May to June.
Ø In the month of June, 91% of all monthly drafts went through on the first attempt. This is huge!


NEW .BIZ WEBSITE
Ø Our NEW .BIZ SITE will be up in just a few days - by 8/1
Ø It looks great with many enhancements and you are really going to like, not only the new look, but the functionality, as well.
Ø It will have Testimonies, clips from the DVD’s, BP easier to get to and…much more.
Ø Within the new site, the automatic online sign-up process will be enabled. This is big news for all of us!
Ø Nationwide business presentations and training locations are now in your back office.

For those of you using Mac and Mozilla - the programmers are in the active testing process of the site for compatibility with these operating systems and we can expect the live release within the next 30 days.

NEW.COM WEBSITE ENHANCEMENTS
Ø The new look is already there. “Check it out.� You’re going to be even more proud when you send your Travel Shoppers to Book their Travel at your personalized site.

NEW DVD
Ø We have a new DVD with a "live meeting" type feel to it that will be released within 10 days.
Ø They showed a nine minute “sneak preview� of it and it was really well-received.
Ø Included on the DVD, along with the BP, is some Quick Start Training, plus an Acceleration Training promo.

BOOKING TRAVEL AGENT…BTA
Ø The final revisions of the BTA Program are being made and it is ready for “blast off� within 30 days.
Ø I’m told that hundreds signed up to participate in that "enhanced program."
Ø The BTA’s at World Ventures will have access to the Official Travel Agents’ Links To Vendors and can control their markups.
Ø This company is committed to helping the BTA (Booking Travel Agent) obtain their own IATAN number.
Ø There is also going to be a place in the BTA’s Back Office where they can actually track their Travel Commissions for qualifications.

DREAMTRIPS
Ø We'll easily have over 4,000 members who have been on a DreamTrip by year end.
Ø The Business Plan says that we'll have AT LEAST TWO DREAMTRIPS PER MONTH by the beginning of 2007.
Ø The Business Plan also says that we will have ONE DREAMTRIP PER WEEK by the end of 2007.

PAYCARD
Ø PayCards will now be the mode of receiving our commissions and bonuses from the company.
Ø It is a MasterCard debit/cash card.
Ø Hundreds were delivered at the event.
Ø For those who were not in Vegas, and earned a check last week, your cards were mailed on Friday.
Ø For new reps, they will receive their first commissions by check. That first check will trigger their paycards to be issued.
Ø All commissions thereafter will be loaded onto their PayCard.
Ø Weekly checks will be loaded every Friday and monthly checks will be loaded on the 10th.
Ø The best news about this is: no more waiting for the mail carrier to deliver your checks.
Ø You can access your funds instantly by using your card like a debit card or an ATM Card.
Ø By the way, with just a couple of “clicks of your mouse,� you can transfer your Funds directly into a checking or savings account.
Ø I’m told you will be able to have your personal Monthly Dues or Fees deducted from that Card, should you so desire.
Ø When Funds are deposited onto your Card, you will receive a text message on your cell phone about the new deposit.

TRAVELPOINTS ACCOUNT
Ø By month's end, our Travel Point Account should show up in our back office.

POWERSEARCH
Ø PowerSearch is in the final stages of testing to become compatible with Mac and Mozilla Firefox. We're about 2 weeks away.
Ø As mentioned above, the NEW LOOK of the Travel Website is a terrific improvement.
Ø They have reduced the number of filters, which should allow for more searches and be more user-friendly.
Ø PowerSearch is the only meta-search technology on the planet that actually books travel.
Ø We have the only meta-search technology where the customer can actually speak with a Live Travel Agent.

EARNVACATIONS.COM
Ø This tremendous tool is almost ready.
Ø The delay has been because of the needed online automatic signup button.
Ø This is a real Powerful Marketing Tool, where we can send our prospects to take a complete and thorough tour of the company, watch short videos, read the Q&A’s, and they can make purchases and/or sign on as a Representative.
Ø You will have a real-time data base of all visitors who visit your EarnVacations website back office.

TRAVEL UNIVERSITY
Ø I have really been waiting for this to come to fruition and now it is very close.
Ø At Travel University, we will have some awesome Training Tools at our “fingertips.�
Ø We will be able to apply for and receive our CLIA Card (Cruise Line International Association)
Ø This very prestigious card will only cost $25 and the Training will be at your website.

CONCLUDING NOTE
One thing that really separates World Ventures from the other Network Marketing companies, who are also in the Travel Business, is the integrity and commitment of our Founders, Executive Staff, Top Producers…and just about everyone affiliated with us. Part of this commitment to longevity is the die-hard determination to be “squeaky clean� in the areas of legitimacy, both in the MLM industry and the Travel Industry. World Ventures will NOT be known as a “card mill.� Make sure everyone knows: “no one makes any money at World Ventures until PRODUCTS ARE SOLD.� This keeps the MLM people “happy.�

In addition…very soon now, New RTA’s will not be able to receive their RTA ID Card, until they have made a sale at their Travel Website. Again…this is very important and I’m so glad we are doing this. Think about it…as we head toward momentum and we are attracting thousands of new reps a month and each of them are “selling something� on their Travel Website, WOW…World Ventures is thought of with the utmost respect by EVERYONE in the Travel Industry. Smart move World Ventures.

Yeah ... I could have started my own topic probably, but rather continue on something that has been there. Last post was 2006 ... Flashforward 4 years ... $150-250 billion USD revenue a year, 350 dreamtrips on a rolling calendar, members in 10 countries ... and expanding rapidly.

I joined World Ventures when our Personal Development company Success University merged into them on the 1st of June 2009. It was a big change, took a while to get used to (even looked around at other PD and Travel opportunities), but decided to stick with them.

In Europe we don't even have the Rovia travelsite ... yet, but the DreamTrips and the training WorldVentures has in the form of Acceleration events? WOW. The value of Acceleration events ($199) each, is on par with Anthony Robbins events ... except Marc Accetta also trains you how to DO the business and charges you so much less then the event is really worth. Just for these events (had nothing to do with holiday AT ALL) been to Minneapolis USA, London UK, Limasol Cyprus. There's no MLM opportunity on the planet that has this quality of inhouse training! Finally understand why Matt Morris said that with WorldVentures the world could be our classroom!

The actual product ... dreamtrip membership. I've been blessed that I've seen a lot of the world already, so I thought I knew enough about holidays & travel. Well I had my first DreamTrip to Cyprus in Feb 2010 and second one to March 2010 to Berlin, and .... WOW! I'm hooked on this. With all due respect, you don't have a clue what WorldVentures is about as long as you haven't been on a DreamTrip.

The tools you get from WorldVentures are second to none. Fullblown flash websites, leadcapturing pages, extremely high end backends, iPhone Apps. You name it, they have it ... and for a pricetag that's almost too low to be true. And that's just for Europe where WorldVentures is still new. In the USA you guys have your own travelsites, PSP, car decals, clothing, Magazine publications *jealous look*.

Some generic WorldVentures sites (to do research):
- http://www.gumballpresentation.com
- http://www.wvskyrockets.com
- http://www.whynowisthetime.com
- http://www.worldventurestruth.com/
- http://www.worldventures.com
and presence on FaceBook, Twitter, Youtube, LinkedIN, etc.

When you value your relationships, when you value great leadership, company integrity, etc. etc. WorldVentures has THE DEAL for you, your family, your spouse and your kids. Just join the team.

With WorldVentures the incentive of any MLM, is the product: travel to 5-star resorts for 2-star prices, while getting paid to share your travel pictures with family & friends. ROI? Priceless!

To counterbalance your BS:
This company does not pay their taxes in the USA. Please follow the link below. There you will find scanned documents about them. It will also provide some useful information from people who are already involved in World Venture and have lost a lot of time and money in this company. It is just another pyramid scam not worth your attention.
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=6750&page=15

OMG!

Rhyker,
Any comments on this? What has been your experience
and your team members experiences all this time??

Rhyker is european. World Ventures was not active in europe so far. They are planning to expand to europe this summer and recruiting has just started. That's probably the reason why he dug up this old thread. He wants to get in early because he knows that only the top 5% of the pyramide actually get good money. 70% will not get anything at all. They will only pay the monthly fee. The remaining 25% in between will have to work very hard for very little income. They will struggle every month to get by.
I don't know why he writes that he joined June last year. But he also claimed that he joined another company many years ago when that company actually only existed 2 years . Maybe he thinks that makes it look like a long term, reliable thing to the reader.

Besides the fact that you seem to have a personal vendetta against me to proof me wrong on anything SeriousJosh You are dead wrong (again).

They are not planning to open in Europe, they ARE open ... as of 1st of June 2009, not in all countries though due to strict regulations in the travel industry. What's opening this summer (and is currently in prelaunch) is Germany. Maybe you got confused that Germany is the whole of Europe somehow Before 1st of June 2009 it was an USA soil based company. That's why I asked to reopen this thread, so you guys are in the know instead of the mystery why no other MMG member started something yearsss ago, cause that's a question I would have ...

Regarding when I joined, I have pictures and videos on my facebook page to back that up. And opposed to many other anonymous members, I'm here in the open, have nothing to hide.

Don't make a fool of yourself by posting googled BS links with sceptical people that never tried anything in life or failed at the first attempt. Networkmarketing is a business model, not a get quick rich scheme. It takes hard work, just like a job or any conventional business. WorldVentures is the only network marketing company that I know of that publishes the income disclosure statement (PDF). That's the answer to the misinterpreted 'tax question'. We don't promise you gold and we are open about it.

The problem is ... most people don't know the distinct the differences between illegal pyramidschemes = pyramidgame (you can find a ton of those on this forum) and legal networkmarketing. Even I felt a short while for TVI (which is a scam).

When you are new to this industry (as SeriousJosh obviously is or has his share of bad experiences). Checkout sites like whynowisthetime.com or thetruthaboutworldventures.com. More independent ones checkoutthebiz.com and/or brilliantcompensation and/or buy a tonload of books on Amazon. Prefer Google? Search YouTube (for example) why Donald Trump, Richard Branson, Robert Kiyosaki, Bill Clinton, Charles King endorse this industry that has come of age and does $100 billion annually. The cool thing about this industry is that you don't have to attend college for 4 years to do it or become a master before you can do it. The bad thing = the good thing ;-) without somebody teaching you how do it (who has success him-/herself), it's going to be very tough and you probably won't be successful. That's why it's very important to join a competent team.

WorldVentures has leaders aboard like myself, but also worldfamous speakers, coaches, authors, business people like ... Kalpesh Patel, Nancy LieberMan, Eric Allen, Peter Powderham, Matt Morris, Johnny Wimbrey and countless others (that I haven't met yet or heard about). Google on these people. Oh ... next to all present partners worldventures just closed a partnership with Richard Branson's company "Virgin Limited Edition" last month. Talking about credibility.

Sceptical is good though, just means you have questions that need answering. Mind though -- that for most people -- we are talking about a $360 decision to join, but yes it can be your million dollar business. I encourage everybody to do as much research as you want to get out of it in money-wise.

But let me make you a promise ... cause I was still 'cocky' while in the company for months. When you haven't been to a monthly held regional or Acceleration training event you don't have a clue what sets WorldVentures apart from ALL other networkmarketing companies regarding training. Regarding the value of the DreamTrips ... again ... people look at the prices and the resorts, and pretend to be 'know alls' or suffer from 'paralysis by analysis'. Just become a DreamTrips member only, book a trip or 2, and you'll find it was the best decision you ever made. Don't like? Just cancel the membership. No dodgy cancellation procedures, just login and press cancel or email support, we only want happy customers. 90% retention rate doesn't lie.

People that just come in to make a bunch of money without using the product or going to training? Simply drop out over time. Had people like that, and I'm absolutely sure I will have quite a few of those in the future again (especially from the 'cold market'). Success in any networkmarketing business depends on how teachable, trainable and coachable you are. When you aren't any of those 3? You're likely to fail. Human nature. If it was easy everybody would do it, and nobody would have jobs. It's simple to learn how to do it right, but not easy. Going after the big money? Prepare for a huge emotional rollercoaster ... but that's the cool thing about this business. You start because of the money, travel, fun, etc. but while going through the process you are on a personal journey as well. Or ... you can just become a customer, without ever being in the business of course.

The biggest thing other networmarketing in potions, lotions, pills, etc. rave about are incentives; you make those extra sales, go flatout to qualify, selling more products people don't need or can't afford ... and woohooo you can go on a holiday! In WorldVentures the product you market basically IS the incentive of the other company (350 trips on a rolling callender at wholesale pricing). How much better can get it?! They are constantly innovating ... it is really REALLY amazingly insane cool.

Yeah I'm enjoying an increasingly abundant lifestyle cause I leverage my income streams through investments as well, but downside of investments is that you cannot invest what you cannot afford to lose, and it proves to be pretty tough to do proper due dilligence most of the time.

Most people can't lose a lot right now, so what's your plan B? Mine ... well I think you got it by now

update: crap ... why are my responses always SO LONG ... LOL. Enthusiasm ... brrr A few minutes more and you could have watched the entire presentation and actually have signed up already.

This response from Rhyker is PACKED with real expereience, network marketing wisdom,
and good old common sense.

There is so much good insight in this post in fact,
I feel it should be required reading for everyone,
no matter what company you are in!

This is the kind of honesty and truth that we need more of
in this industry, imo.

Thanks for such quality post!

David

I will not answer to all the BS Rhyker writes down in his statement.

I will simply correct some claims Rhyker makes:

1. I never said you can't make any money in a pyramide scheme such as World Ventures. The truth is though, that only the top 5 percent in the scheme do make money. And only very few will make millions. 95% of all the people joining World Ventures will make littel to no money in it. They will simply pay their monthly fee and work their asses off trying to get more people to sign up. After a couple of month they will simply give up having paid a lot of money in monthly fees and not getting any money in return. That's the normal case. That's what most of you WV members will experience when you sign up and there is nothing to be ashamed about. It is not your fault. The system is designed this way. Most of you need to be losers so a few can be winners. You don't belive me? Sign up and you will soon find out that I'm right!

2. I don't have a personal vendetta against Rhyker. He simply keeps telling people that I don't know what I'm talking about. That's just not true. I know exactly what I'm talking about and that's why I keep warning people not to lose their money in scams such as WV and others promoted here by Rhyker and other cheerleaders and shills.

3. If you want to make money in a MLM like WV you need a lot of people joining the business under you (building up your pyramide). Naturally you will soon run out of family and friends you can get to sign up. That's when it becomes really hard to find new members and you won't make any money anymore. Of course the risk is considerable that your friends won't talk to you anymore because you brought them into this scam and they lost money.

4. Don't expect to make money without having to work very hard for it! As you learned in point 3. you need a big number of new members every month to make money. This is very hard work and you will probably need your own promotion website like Rhyker. You need to find people in forums, on the street, where you work. All of that will cost you a lot of time and efford. If you fail (and most people fail, make no mistake about that) you will have wasted a lot of money while having worked very hard for no or little return. That will make you feel like a loser even though it is not really your fault. It's just the design of the system (pyramide).

If you know all of that and are ok with it, then there is no reason not to join WV. I wish you luck!

Dreamlife/david> thx man! Appreciate it!

SeriousJosh> Point 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 ... all cover the typical misconceptions about the netwerkmarketing industry. The system you are referring to is a pyramid game ... not MLM. I gave the information in the previous post (that's why I was so thorough cause saw it coming). You are the type of person which I described already; untrainable, unteachable and uncoachable. You would probably excel in a job, but entrepreneurial lifestyle definitely ain't for you.

Indirect answer to your point 3 and 4. WV has something extremely unique (compared to other MLMs). It's called the 'get-4-pay-no-more'. Get 4 customers and your montly fees are waved. Are you both a business rep and a customer? Then you also earned your signup fee back as well. After that everything is pure profit ...

I'm not 'recruiting souls', I'm helping people make a positive difference/shift in their lives.

Are you saying WV is extremely unique because of the number 4? Because I know two other companies that waive the monthly fee when you get 5, as well as earning more than the signup fee back..

Ok, first off, I want to be clear: I have no previous connection, positive or negative, to either Rhyker or SeriousJosh, and am completely nuetral, and a bystander. Nothing personal here at all, I don't know either one of these people. Also, I am not in WV or have anything to do with them. I know people who are, but it wasn't my thing when I checked it out. I am totally nuetral on the company, nothing negative. I know quality networkers focused there, but that's it.

My responses to the post above:


1) You seem to be talking about your view of the network marketing industry as a whole, not specifically WV here. You seem to be talking about network marketing compensation plans in a general way, and how they are slanted for the co. and not the distributors. I can see that in an overall way, that is most definitely the case! To focus that worthwhile angst re: the state of network marketing comp. plans on WV though, does not seem realistic or fair.

Considering that 90% or more of the "deals" on this site are true money games, "pyramids" in fact, where there is no real product, and that 90% or more of the programs on this forum will be long long gone 6 months or a year from now, says a lot. I do not think WV falls into that category of the 90%, in that it is not a here today gone tomorrow money game, and will most probably be here a long time into the future.

What you are describing here has HUGE validity on the state of the industry. It would appear you hate the idea of network marketing, or maybe it is just the comp. plans that are skewed to screw reps, and the general flood of money games and "pyramids" etc. But to focus that generalized anger on WV and Rhker does not make sense or sound like an intelligent arugement to innocent bystanders, imo.


2) You are angry with Rhyker, that is how it appears, or projecting your anger there anyway. There are hundreds of programs on this forum. The vast vast majority of them have no real product, cheap sites, are here today/gone tomorrow pyramid-like money games, but are you on those forums exposing all that? I don't know, I don't read those threads too much, but I doubt it. Honestly, because of this fact, it puts your arguement, imo, in serious question. Because WV falls into the category of respectable, proven co.'s weather you like them, their comp. plan, Rhyker or not! They are of the few % that are a real company, with a proven track record. Why not take your truthful arguement (and there is most CERTAINLY truth and reality in what you are saying), and focus it on the 90% + of total outright scams, cheeseball short term/waste of time deals, etc. rather than a multi million dollar company that has a good measure of success and track record. (Regardless if the comp. plan is the best or not, in your opninion).


3) What you are stating here is true, but so generalized about the downfall of much of our industry, that to focus it on WV is really disingenious, imo.

4) This again, is a "half filled cup" viewpoint of network marketing. In other words: while is VERY truthful, and without a question, a very important, and valuable, and actual fact about our industry, it is taking an extremely, and apparently exclusively negative viewpoint. That kind of viewpoint can be overlayed on ANYTHING in life, seeing ONLY the bad, focusing on ONLY the negative, etc. There are ALWAYS two sides to the story, and you are telling ONE of them only. (Seeing the industry through jaded eyes).

Your words are undoubtedly VERY true, but to shoot them at Rhyker and WV makes no sense at all, considering this is a quality co. out of hundreds of scams and short term deals, it DOES appear you have a personal thing with Rhyker, otherwise, what's your point!?!?!?

Are you sharing your truth with the 90% of deals which don't even hold a candle to WV on this forum?

If not, why not?!?!? (There are enough to keep you busy for months before before WV would be next in your expose').

You are on a mission, to wake people up. Personally, I think that vision you have has EXTREME value!
What you are saying has a lot of truth to it, in a LOT of situations, with a LOT of "companies" that pop up.

Considering all the factors, I would not include WV in the first 90% of companies to take this very valid, generalized frustration out on.

And I most certainly would not focus my attention on Rhyker, to be honest. He is representing a co. EASILY in the top 10% of network marketing co.'s. Why not FIRST focus on the 90% of full on looser deals first?!?!?

Quite frankly, if you want to edify yourself, and not otherwise, I would consider taking your campaign to the threads of money games, scams, cheap @ss deals, real pyramids etc on this forum, and help CLEAN UP OUR INDUSTRY!!!

Do something good with your valid "angst" rather than try to rip good people and decent co.s down.

You have real work to do, please focus your worthy perspective in responsible ways that really will positively impact people's thinking...like guide people to think more carefully about their choices, to understand the importance of being in a product/market driven co., and not a dead end deal...

and to give POSITIVE options that fit into what YOU believe are good comp. plan/company models etc.

It will do all of us good. There is a LOT of value and wisdom and truth in what you are saying, it is just, imo, misdirected here.


Peace out.
Thanks for listening!


David


PS. I wish you both well.

I'll not waste my time responding to all the BS and psychological nonsense again. I will just sum up the most important points:

This is going to happen to at least 90% of you guys if you sign up with World Ventures:

1. You will be working very hard for little to no return.
2. You will eventually give up after a couple of month having paid a lot of initial and monthly fees (several hundred Euro)
3. You will feel like a loser because you failed in becoming rich with WV. Especially after the shills and cheereaders here told you it is all so easy.
4. Your friends and family who you persuaded to join World Ventures probably won't talk to you anymore because they failed too and lost their money in WV.

The remaining 10% of you will make a little money in the pyramid scheme. Most of you will still have to work hard for it. But don't expect millions! Only a hand full of people actually make millions in this scheme and those are the initiators of the scheme at the top of the pyramide.
A realistical estimate would be that only 3% to 4% of you will be able to make a living with World Ventures while the company exists. And I would not bet on this company beeing around in another 5 years.

If you decide to join WV please report back about your experiences. Good luck to you!

Well 5 is 1 higher then 4. I know of many companies where when you get X customers you get Y income and thus you are breakeven, but you still have to pay your membershipfees. WV thinks along with the rep / distributor and unites those 2 transactions for you; awesome service.

I don't recommend people to get started because of the 4-pay-no-more, but dig into the total package. ;-) It's the add up of all the facts, tools, systems, that make it what it is out of the 1000s MLM companies; unique.

One of the youngest company to be featured in the DSA top100 after only 3 years, and receive their third endorsement in a respected home based business magazine (the July 2010 edition of Success From Home, spotlighting WorldVentures. It will on newsstands nationwide at Borders, Barnes & Noble, and Books-a-Million the first week of June)

SJ ... I understand you have concerns. When WE DO take the time to answer them for you, and you discard them as BS or 'psycholigal nonsense', no wonder you then keep up summing up the same points of concern over and over again. The facts, number, press ... don't lie to you. Do the research. Don't waste our time, when you refuse to do your part.

Unlike you I'm not paid to post here. I'm not a member of World Ventures. I don't need to persuade more people in joining this pyramide scheme to make money for myself. That's why I don't waste my time countering your BS. I just recomment people to do their own research. Always remember the 70% failure rate. This number is not from me. You can read it in the official report from World Ventures Rhyker provided a link to.

In fact let's have a close look at all the facts this very interesting document contains:

"During the fiscal year 2008, 29.8% of all Independent Representatives (“IRs”) earned a commission oroverride, while 70.2% did not."

This means that 70.2% of all World Venture members (IRs) didn't get a single cent in all 2008. Of course they were paying their monthly fees during this time. This is several hundred dollars they lost. They even worked for World Venture during this time just not getting enough people to sign up to earn something. So basically those 70% of all IRs worked for WV for free while even paying them money in monthly fees. Those are the total losers and suckers among the World Ventures salesmen.

"The average annual commission or override earnings of that group of IRs who earned a commission or override was$1274.27, and the median was $114.60."

This numbers are especially interesting: We have already learned that 70.2% of all World Ventures members/IRs didnt get ANYTHING in all 2008. Now this numbers only include those IRs who did get anything. This numbers tell us in fact that half of those who got anything in 2008 received less than 114 dollars in the whole year!
So what we know so far is that 70.2% of all IR's didn't get anything at all. Then there are 14.9 % who received less than 114 dollars in all 2008.

Bottom line so far: 85.1% of all members/IR of World Ventures got less than 114 dollars in all 2008! Most of them got nothing at all.

Up to this point those are pure facts published by World Ventures themselfes.

Now please remember that the initial and monthly fee are several hundred dollars. So 114 dollars a year is a joke compared to all the costs and expenses you have. In addition to the expenses for fees you also have to count in your time, travel costs etc. to promote World Ventures and to find new members.

We can savely assume therefore that up to 95% of all WV members/IRs didn't make money in this company at all but in fact lost money in it.

All of Rhykers BS will not change the fact that at least 95% of you guys will lose money in this pyramid scheme. Those are the facts. IF you are ok with that then please sign up!

BTW: In the WV document I took those numbers from there are a number of examples of people who made money with World Ventures. Please note that all of the examples were taken from the 3% highest earning people in the company and some even from the 1% highest earning people. Why didn't they take an example from the 85% who get less then 114 dollars the whole year? I bet you can figure it out for yourself...

Josh,
The stats you share are clearly real.
The points you are sharing accurately reflect a lot of the "shadow"
of our industry, for sure!

But the questions remain:

1) 90% of the companies in this forum are full on ponzi's without products with cheap sites that will be gone within weeks or a few months.
2) Why are you focusing on a company that is respected in the industry, product driven, and of obvious quality, when there are so many other deals that are truly worthy of your wrath?!


It appears to the rest of us reading all this,
that there is a personal vendetta here against the co. and Rhyker,
obviously~!

If it were not the case, you would be all over the other threads,
exposing the dozens of cheapo waste of time deals that don't even
come close to World Ventures...

but you are NOT! WHY NOT?!?!?!?

What is REALLY going on here?!

I dunno let's ask him ... cause I don't know what the guy's problem is.

Q: Is WorldVentures a pyramid scheme?
A: http://www.worldventurestruth.com/common-questions.php#1

Q: WorldVentures publishes an Income Disclosure Statement which shows that just under 30% of Representatives make any money--is it still a good opportunity?
A: http://www.worldventurestruth.com/common-questions.php#2

Thank you for recognizing that my stats are real. I think that proves again that I know what I'm talking about.


I agree that there are far worse scams in this forum than World Ventures. But that doesn't change the fact that World Venture is a scam too. 95% of all people getting involved with VW will lose their money. WV is even worse in some ways because you really need to work hard in this scheme. You don't just pay something and hope for the best. You actually have to work your ass off for this and even doing so will most likely lead to failure. You will feel bad and ashamed. You will feel like a loser. For me this is reason enough to warn people.

As far as your other questions are concerned: I do not have a personal vendetta against Rhyker or any scam he is promoting here. I'm active in more threads then just the two Rhyker is active in as you can easily check out for yourself.

I didn't expect WV to admit that they are a pyramid scheme. That doesn't change the fact that many people regard it as a pyramid scheme.


Basically they stand by their enormous failure rate and just say that WV is not the right thing for most people. And that's exactly what I'm telling you:

WV is only going to pay out for very few of you (~5%). The big majority of you will work their asses off making next to no money at all. 95% of you will simply sponsor the 5% winners of the scheme by making the top 1% of the pyramide filthy rich. As I said before: Most of you need to be losers so a few can be winners. And that's about all you need to know about World Ventures. If you are ok with that then sign up!

are there any other benefits of having four?

can you please explain your definition of unique?

ah crap Had typed a whole reply, clicked the wrong button and *poof* gone. Sigh. Ok ... 'short' answer. What people perceive / regard it as, and what it IS ... is something different. In your truth SJ, it's a pyramid ... it's a scam. The criteria you use, makes even life a scam; most people fail. 95% retires broke (ask your government). It comes down to taking responsibility for one's life. One way to do it (the way I endorse) is through network marketing. The problem with new information is that people can only receive when they're open minded. "Who's lying?" / "Who’s Getting Rich - Who’s Not" / "Do Most People Fail?" .
I see you are in Traverus actfree? Good company, just as YTB is. As long people don't join TVI , Pyxism, Royal Cruise Matrix, and Dream Style Vacations they can't really fail as they get value-for-their-money. My definition of unique might be a figure of speech. During my due diligence didn't find an other company that had it, although have to admit that I didn't join WV at first for the travel. I came aboard through and for the excellent Personal Development (the travel was just an added bonus). Yeah I've had good training in other MLM companies I was with. But there's a difference between 'good enough' and excellent training of WorldVentures. It's as good as Anthony Robbins trainings are (if you ever been to one; you'll know what I mean), at a fraction of the price. There are always people trying to bash the enthusiasm of other people. WV is widely recognised in the press and by industry experts. The only reason why you wouldn't earn money is not because of WV, but because of the efforts and minset of the individual, and refusal of following proven systems. But even if you don't enrol into the business ... becoming a customer of DreamTrips is the best decision you could make this year!

Over 90% of all the WV people will not only fail miserably but also lose a lot of money. Had they worked an honest job during that time they would at least have gotten some fair payment for their work. In WV over 90% of all people are working for FREE! Even worse: They are paying WV so they can work for FREE. This has nothing to do with beeing open minded. That's simply a scam. It's the design of the pyramide scheme. Most people must be losers so a few can be winners. There is simply no way that everybody can be a winner. Why? Because everybody who wants to be a winner needs a pyramide with hundreds of other IRs below himself to earn money. So in order to earn money you need a lot of people below you in the pyramide who all earn less or nothing. They need to be losers so you can be a winner.

Just be honest here Rhyker: Tell people that only 5% of them can be winners while 95% must be losers.

As soon as you start telling the truth about World Ventures I will no longer have a problem with you or the programs you promote. As long as you are lying I will be back to expose those lies.

Josh,
While clearly there is a lot of truth in what you are saying,
it appears that your words are equally applicable to virtually all
network marketing compensation structures.

In fact, with a slightly different angle and wording,
you could even translate that to all other businesses!

You could even make a slightly abridged version
that would be applicable to all relationships!!

I think what would be helpful here,
is if you would consider doing two things:

1) Explain how WV specifically is geared toward the reps'
failure more than other companies, compensation plans etc.

2) Explain which companies/compensation plans are NOT geared
toward the failure of the reps.

This way we can actually learn something from your posts.

Right now, to be honest, for most of us casually reading this,
it sounds like you are flat out angry at Rhyker and WV,
but none of us are exactly sure why are you focusing there,
of all your possible options.

This forum is 90% populated with deals
that make WV look like a serious and respectable company,
in comparison.

But, the puzzling thing, is that it appears your anger at this point would
be more realistically directed to the entire network marketing industry...

as what you are saying applies pretty much across the board, it would seem.

Sure, with low cost deals, you lose less, but the principle remains the same!

Is your suggestion that:

1) No one join WV.

(Is it possible, that even though WV is not right for you,
that there are other people who feel that WV is perfect for them?
Can any of us dictate what is correct and appropriate for others?)

2) No one join ANY network marketing company.

(Since most people will not create success in this industry,
is it even worth trying?)

3) Because most people fail in most things in life,
even after spending a lot of time, energy, thought and action...

that we should all just give up cause 95% are not
going to make it in life anyway?!

Should I NOT approach that beautiful woman I saw
cause the chances are so miniscule that we are going
to become friends, lovers, marriage partners?

There is definitely HUGE value in "cleaning house" in our industry,
and exposing the specific companies that have compensation plans
that are skewed for the reps to fail, and to showcase those companies
that are doing it right.

This is the value of these forums, and how we all learn.

I personally agree with a lot of what you are saying, in a GENERALIZED way
about this industry, and I think there is EXTREME VALUE
in your words...

if they were put in a non attacking form,
clarified specifically why of the hundreds of companies out there
you feel World Ventures is the "worst",
and enlighten us as to which companies are doing it right,
then it would be very helpful for everyone reading this.

We all are trying to learn something, to get some value from this!!

Without these aspects, I do not believe you are having the desired effect.

This is an open forum. We are free to share out throughts.

When they are constructive (which can also mean constructively
deconstructing bogus companies etc.)! there is value.

Do you feel the entire industry, without exception, is populated
by "pyrmaids", "scams" etc.

or are there any jewels of evolved companies that are doing it right
(or at least going in the right direction/less evil?)

Thanks for considering my honest, unbiased feedback.

I wish both of you the utmost in success,
and more importantly...

Peace of mind.

We are all responsible for our own choices.

I like to respect others' choices as well,
as long as they don't infringe upon my own.

David


PS. Remember...while this conversation is going on, you are showing yourself
as a mentor and leader in this industry, even if it means exposing the dark side.

In order to create respect and positive outcomes from your post,
I truly recommend you also reveal the "bright side" of things, the real opportunities
that shine out from the "sea of scams" etc.

Is there even ONE company in this industry that you feel is worthy of our consideration??

Let us know!!

I will be brief since I don't have much time right now.

That's true. Most MLM companies are pyramide schemes that profit from a huge failure rate.


No, because most businesses are not dependent on a high failure rate. A good baker can be successful without having another 20 failing. The dependency on failure is a MLM (pyramide scheme) specific problem.


No. I can't see how that would be possible.


I don't plan on doing either since I never claimed WV is worse than other MLM "opportunities".


I don't focus here. I'm active in multiple other threads aswell. I'm not angry at Rhyker. I already told you that so please stop claiming nonsense.


True, but that doesn't mean WV is a serious and respectable company. It is a pyramid scheme that needs 95% losers to make 5% winners.

Your posts are simply too long to really answer all your questions. Let me just clarify a couple of points:

1. World Ventures like most (all?) MLMs is dependent on a very high failure rate. Other businesses are not. To be a successful baker you don't need 20 failed bakers in a pyramide below you. That's the big difference

2. I'm not here to compare World Ventures to other MLMs. I'm here to warn people about this specific MLM and to expose the lies and BS the cheerleaders tell you so you have a chance to make an informed decision. Of course I hope there are other decent people here that do the same thing in other threds with other programs. But I simply don't have the time to expose all the scams here that need to be exposed.

3. I'm not here to help people make money in any online program or MLM. Therefore I'm not promoting any programs here. I'm here to help people not to lose money in such programs.

4. I do not think that the whole industry of online investments is populated by scams and pyramid schemes. I know this for a fact. So does everyone who has been around in this forum for a while. Just have a look at all the scams in the closed&inactive sections.

Thanks for the replies.

I was thinking the other day,
that if someone wanted to get a massive wake up call
about this industry...

all they need to do is browse through the dozens of pages
in the closed/inactive section.

The insights and realizations
that would come from those who do that
could be a section in itself!

i wholeheartedly concur.

Hmm I'm not going into the MLM discussion, already gave a tonload of resources on that, and will finish with one last classic (outlining the baker example) of Robert Kiyosaki: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9n_4bodWlc
A smart baker would launch a franchising chain btw. MLM is the next step; combination of franchising and direct sales.

If you don't have time to expose all scams, wouldn't it be smart to start promoting something that you can positively change people lives with? Cause, as written before (in a different threat) ... although you probably have all the best intentions in the world ... you are basically preventing people from making progression. Don't narrow yourself in 'lack prevention' thinking, cause that's exactly what you will attract. Entering the MLM as an industry is a blessing, if I would be religious I would say working with WorldVentures is a gift from god.

When anyone wants me to admit to information I distributed myself, and did outline what happens to most people ... and then after a summary of interesting facts ... you want me to admit to it? Sure ... pretty pointless, but sure. When you want to warn people about this specific MLM just because I'm in it (it ain't coincidence you suddenly joined the discussion)? Then hmm good luck with that Warn about MLM industry in general? We should create a separate threat for that, as that's offtopic in this threat. If one doesn't understand MLM, then there's no need to explain the differences with a pyramid or go into the company. Become a customer and use the product. The rest comes naturally.

Oh btw when I talk about "you", I'm not aiming at SJ specifically. A lot of people have the same kind of ehm hehe hmm "stinking thinking"; doesn't serve themselves or anyone around them. Help yourself, before trying to help others; buy Napoleon Hill - Think & Grow rich.

update ... don't just buy it; READ it too!

MLM has absolutely nothing to do with franchising. In franchising too you are not dependent on other peoples failure. You can be successful without needing 20 others below you in the pyramide to fail. Dependency on failure is the big difference. Please try to understand that already.


Exactly. That's why I promote not to participate in scams. That changes the lives of people in a positive way since they are not losing their money and feel ashamed about it.
Why do you lie to people again? Working with WorldVentures will be a big failure for 95% of all the people here. They will work hard and making little to no money. Those are the facts. Remember? You provided them yourself: 70% get nothing at all. 85% get less then 114 dollar a whole YEAR. Is that really a gift from god? Because it sounds more like a scam to me.


Nice! You just admitted to the fact that 95% of all people must fail in World Venture so 5% can be successful. Thank you for your honesty Rhyker!
And I still just want to warn about this specific MLM. Even though many arguments and facts apply to other MLMs aswell.


You are wrong again. My thinking serves me very well. Look at all the people in this forum pissing their money away in obvious scams. Not me. I save a lot of money just by beeing reasonable. You are such a loser yourself: You invested money in an obvious scam and will certainly lose it. (see the other thread Rhyker is acitve in the Non HYIP section). In less than 2 month it will be a fact that Rhyker promoted an obvious RPP scam there. I wonder what that does to your credibility in this forum.

And again you go into personal accusation, while you said you wouldn't do that. A loser eh? I've never called anybody that. Rhyker -- me -- is actually active or has been active in all sections of MMG. Including manual forex trading. I've worked with HYIP for 4 years, earned more then I lost. I talk from experience, not from theory.

It's awesome you are not losing money, but it's not good when you start calling things scams when they're not. The reason why it sounds like a scam to you is simple ... you look at the investment to become a representative, you look at the income disclosure statement ... see poor returns. And thus the conclusion is made. WorldVentures is NOT an investment company, they are into travel. That's the product everyone buys.

Regarding franchising ... exactly. By buying oneself into the organisation and following a system for 4-5 years, you can make a nice little income. MLM is basically a mini franchise ... you buy the into the organisation (become a rep / distributor), you become your own first customer and then you distribute ... in case of WorldVentures ... DreamTrips memberships to other people. Even if you don't recruit ANYONE into your business, you can still becoming hugely succesful by only working with customers .. cause you don't have to depend on other people's failures. That industry is called -- strictly speaking -- direct sales. Now ... I gave like 6 independent video resources that go into the matter a whole lot deeper. I suggest you watch them, before you post something. I simply don't have time to for that kind of discussions.

Well: Losing money in QCoopers makes you a loser. That's just a fact as we will soon find out. But since you started the personal attacks anyway ("stinking thinking") I don't feel bad about that remark.

If you made money with HYIPs (I don't believe you btw.) then I wonder why you didn't stick to it. Who would not make money without working for it? Or were you on the scammer/admin side of the HYIP maybe?


That's exactly what makes it even worse!!! If WV was an investment company where I didn't have to work and just hope for some returns on my small investment then I could live with bad or no returns. At least I wouldn't have wasted my time. But here 85% actually WORK for less than 114 dollars a year! You said it yourself: This is HARD WORK. And yet most people see absolutely no money for their work. That's why I regard this to be a scam. 95% need to fail so that 5% can be winners.


You are still wrong. An MLM is dependent on failure. You can only be successful if you have a pyramide of losers below you. Sad but true. You simply can't be successful without the 95% losers below you in the pyramide. Have you watched the promotion videos of WV? Didn't they explain in detail how many IR's you need in your right and left "team" to get certain rewards? The only way you will ever make money in WV is by building up your own pyramide.

Please don't lie to us by telling otherwise. How much do they pay you for a normal DreamTrip membership? Lousy 20 bucks? How many such DreamTrip memberships for 20 bucks do you think you can sell per month?

Franchises are basically your own small business. You are not dependent on others to fail. You don't need a pyramide of losers below you to support you. You don't have to recruite anyone.That's the big difference. You still don't get it.

Question: Can you please post a link to the detailed compensation plan? I couldn't find it among your links but I would really be interested how many DreamTrip Memberships I would need to sell per month to make a living as a WV travel agent. (Without having to recruite anyone). Thank you!

So when you invest money and lose it, you can live with that? That's incoherent with your suggestions. And you don't have to believe me regarding HYIP results, you can read it on my blog, including the reason why I started with them (was looking for Forex autotrading about hmm 2-3 years ago) and why I stopped pursuing it. I've never been on the admin side of HYIP, but did run monitors and such. Was a huge waste of time, but a valuable learning experience never the less. I found my passion in WorldVentures. I love this company, what it does and what it can do for people.

I can't be wrong, cause I'm walking my talk. It's like watching a soccer match and think you can do it better without any training, experience or coaching. You're not on the playing field. Which is ok ... as you have chosen not to be, but don't act as if you are master in a subject when you have no authority. For the last time ... Pyramids are dependent on failure, network marketing is depedent on sales of products (just like a franchise or any traditional business).

I'm hesitant about giving people the detailed compensation plan. Not because we have something to hide (as it's on the bottom right of the worldventures.biz website). However it's 28 pages of very thorough & tough information to go through and really doesn't give much overview nor insight (for most people). If I were you I would either stick to the 1 page summary OR ... which is without a shadow of doubt the best way ... watch Step2 on WorldVentures.biz.

Let's make it practical. What's your definition of "to make a living" as in amount per month? So I can break it down for you. P.S. we are not "travel agents", well at least not in Europe.

update: whoops forgot to add the link to the compplan summary

Just a quick summary ... in case people are just joining this thread ;-) Well it's everything but quick, as I'm known to be thorough :-D ... MOST PEOPLE just need to watch the vids.

Some people need to know everything.

This impressive company has ethical ownership with extensive MLM experience and an executive staff that's hard to match. WorldVentures also has a very low start up cost and a very low distributor attrition rate (MLM industry Attrition rate average is 60% to 70%), as well as, offerring a very low monthly overhead. WorldVentures easily reached the top of my list for the following reasons:

# FEATURED IN 3 USA MAGAZINES: SUCCESS FROM HOME (2x ... second time this July 2010!) + YOUR BUSINESS AT HOME ... which are distributed through Barnes & Noble, and other major newspaper and magazine outlets.
# Better Business Bureau: A- RATING
# Why Is WorldVentures Seeing 100% Growth in This Economy: http://www.wvskyrockets.com
# Dr. Charles King selected WorldVentures as one of his Top 10 MLM Industry Growth Picks for 2009. Dr. King is one of the most respected authorities on the MLM industry, as well as, co-author of "Wave 3", as well as, co-author of the very well known "Brilliant Compensation" video. Dr. King teaches the only fully accredited university level MLM course. A favorite MLM authority for the Wall Street Journal and FTC.
# Exceptional 4 year track record - Since launching in late 2005, generating $15,000,000 (15 Million), in sales 2006. In 2007 the company jumped to $50,000,000 (50 Million), in sales and WorldVentures broke the $100,000,000 (100 Million) sales mark for 2008. Companies that have broken 100 Million sales mark in only 3 years, have gone on to become giants within the MLM industry. Timing Is Everything & Now's The Time!
# Company Growth & International Expansion - Success University Joins WorldVentures - This move further expands our emphasis on leadership development amongst our 100,000 plus LTC's. WorldVentures opened for business in the United States in 2005 and has since expanded into the United Kingdom (UK), Singapore, South Africa, Israel, Kenya, Botswana, Germany & Cyprus. We will soon be opening additional international markets as we continue our rapid expansion around the world.
- Recognized Member IATA, ASTA, ARC & CLIA - This is a "Real" travel company, with IATAN certification courses available for individuals wishing to become Booking Travel Agents; USA only (70% Commissions), or Fully Accredited IATAN Travel Agents (80% Commissions)
- .... etc. etc. etc.

If you're wondering why we're so hot on a travel company / product, it's really very simple and purely mathematically driven for top dollar earnings and probability of success. First, the "juice wars" are out of control within the MLM industry and attrition rates amongst Juice / nutrition companies are sky rocketing. If your company's autoship is $100.00 or more per month, it's way to expensive for monthly hits on the average person(s) credit card in this economy. Demand.... 43 cents of every dollar processed online is spent on travel, nothing else comes close to peoples interest in either taking a cruise or traveling to an exotic location, so they're still buying! WorldVentures "DreamTrips" membership program delivers a knockout punch and it offers deeply discounted exotic travel packages and has already developed a big fan base in our current depressed economy.

MLM companies are not dependent on the failure rate of of the reps, in fact it's quite the opposite. What you are describing is a Ponzi Scheme.

MLM companies pay commissions on a percentage of PROFIT from sale of a product. In order for any MLM company to exist it must meet those requirements to avoid prosecution from the AG and SEC.

The reason most people in network marketing fail is not because of the company, it's because of a few things.

1. They are new to direct sale principles and therefore must learn the industry to understand what motivates other people.

2. They are just outright lazy

3. They don't stay with it long enough

All of the "Big Dogs" in the industry started just like everyone else. People look down on network marketing because they don't truly understand it, but the principle behind it is spreading the wealth. I would rather be with a network marketing company and getting a check then with a "brick and mortar" company with them sending a percentage of their profits to advertising and endorsements any day of the week.

That's pure BS. What I'm writing in this thread has nothing to do with a Ponzi scheme. All MLM companies I know are dependent on failure. It is not possible to make real money without building your own sales pyramide (recruiting) as fast as possible. People telling you otherwise are liars.

The three points you mentioned are just what MLM shills are telling people. But it is not true. Let me make a simple example: Let's say you take all the people out of the MLM company who are not making money for themselfs (95%) and restart the company with only the 5% winners. They have all proven that they can make money in the MLM right? So they are not new, they are not lazy and they were in the business long enough.

In the new Winners-MLM company there will still be 95% losers and only 5% winners. You can deny it as long as you want. People not knowing enough or beeing lazy has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's the pyramide system that only allows the top 5% to be winners. All the others below them in the pyramide need to be losers. Nothing is ever going to change that fact.

In every other company (not MLM) in the world people are paid for their work. Nobody works for free. There might be some who earn more than others but they all make money. Not so in the MLM company. As we have seen 70% of all WV members are not making money at all. 85% are making less than 114 dollars a year (which is almost nothing). Those people are working for free! Even worse: They pay a huge amount of money in monthly fees so the top 5% of the company can be winners. And the truth is: Only because 85% are making next to nothing while paying a lot of monthly fees the top 5% can earn big money. Without the 85% suckers it would not be possible for them to make money. That's why it is a FACT that MLMs are dependent on failure. Nothing is ever going to change that.

@Rhyker
Let's say I wanted to make 1000 Euro a month with WV. How many DreamTrip memberships would I have to sell per month? Remember: I do not want to recruite!

You are completely incorrect my friend. With just about every company out there you can make money SOLELY by selling the product. As you recruit people then they also make money selling the product and you make a "referral commission".

You are sitting here badgering on about your hate for the industry when in fact if you took the time to look into the laws pertaining to the industry, you would find it is in fact IMPOSSIBLE to exist with what you are talking about.

The "fees" you talk about aren't that at all, they are an "auto ship" of product. This auto ship is what generates the revenue to pay the commissions. Therefore, they are receiving a product or service for their money, and the person/team selling it to them makes commission. It is done this way to pay people for helping people, as opposed to paying marketing companies to market the product.

The 5% you speak of are the ones putting the effort in to being the "executives" of the company. You are right, nobody working for hourly wages works for free, Entrepreneurs around the world work for free all the time to get their business off the ground, it's all relative. If you would rather put EVEN MORE work into something for EVEN MORE money, then you could open one of these others businesses you are speaking of. That's your prerogative. I'll stick with taking my mailbox money.

Again pure BS. It is exactly as I said. The 5% winners on top of the sales pyramide don't make a cent without all the losers below them working for free. That's the truth and no BS you can write here will ever change that fact. You need the losers in the company or the 5% top people would not be on top and hence could not be winners. It's as simple as that.

There is simply no way all the members of an MLM pyramide can make money. NO WAY.

You are right btw about the fact that you can make money by just selling the product and not recruiting at all. But of course you would need to sell A LOT of those products. That's why I'm still waiting for Rhyker to answer my question about how many "products" I would need to sell per month in WV to make 1000 Euro.

How many bars of soap do you think dove sales to make it's money? tubes of toothpaste for crest? odds are they only make around $1 per sale, if that, and then they have the enormous over head.

There is always a lot of sales required to make substantial income, that's why it's better to grow a team and disperse the effort.

LOL. That's my point! Why do you think an MLM company can employ thousands of salesmen and saleswomen when other big companies can't? The answer is simple: The MLM company does only pay 5% of the salespersons while all the others work for free or even pay monthly fees to be allowed to work for free. That's why I regard it to be a scam.

it seems to me that you have your definitions confused. when you talk about only 5% making money off all the losers below them working for free that is the definition of communism/socialism. the pure definition of MLM is that everyone can win because everyone starts out at the top. your opinion that to have winners that we need losers.. sounds like a cult.

if there is no way that everyone can make money.. then i must have missed that memo. is there a shortage on money? has everyone stopped buying/selling stuff?