my dear jajar...*...pls...use..ur..imagination..lah..bro..das..sooo...easy.u.oso..dun..know...hehe

No one. If you are looking for assurances and guarantees, SC is not for you.
Even if you have already joined SC, you would have known that there are no guarantees for ANYTHING.
Haven't you already decided that you are ok with the risks involved?

If you are already accepted the risk, why would you be bothered now that situations changed?
Have you lost your money? No yet, have you?

Even if on 1 Oct SC collapses, you've lost your money *touch wood!*,
what have changed? Did you not accepted the risk of 'no guarantee', 'no assurance', 'no actual office',
and invested based on nothing but *speculative trust*?

So why would the current situation bother you?




Yes, maybe, dunno.
Only time will tell.
If SC is what it said it is, my previous calculations show that it is able to sustain itself even if there is no new investors from this point onwards, its 'so called' current investments should be able to generate enough for its cashflow.

If SC is a PONZI, and no new cash comes in to pay its current plans and commissions, of course it will collapse.

Only time will tell, if it collapses as a PONZI does, by 1 Oct, you would know.
I do not believe a PONZI can sustain itself for 6 months if the Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesian investors stop re-investing and there is a drastic reduction of new incoming funds.




See above reply to #2




Yup, whatever tickets you send won't change anything.
The decision has been made, I believe, after much considerations.
However I disagree with the legality of what SC did, essentially, misappropriation of clients' funds without consent, we cannot change it now.

No point crying over spilt milk.

Move on.

Either get out of SC, or
hold your breath and wait for 1 Oct....
or....
if you still believe in SC,
you can invest into SIP25, EMF (someone said go to US$7? OMG!) or ACF.

Cheers!

hi!! nth ....the truth is out there...may th SC with us...

I think you are a one of the losers and not form the DREAMKAYA team...if so you should come up with
some explanation, on the situation in PENANG....

I think i am wasting my time with replying your threads, ..you are blank...zero...

Even your post less than 10....that means you need to have a milk right now....

Never give up.
When the is a Will, There is a Way.

If you are able to get your hands on 'The Secret' movie,
watch it.

I watched it, practised the positive affirmation and
'Law of Attraction'

It works, and it helped me a lot in my finances.

To some, it's just a load of crap of mumbo jumbo... LOL.
At least it worked for me

Hope everything turn out roses and fine for you.

Cheers!

chickie...jajar..u.soo..smart...u..guess..lah...hehe...may th force with u...

any good ones to recommend?
Pls PM me




I think I will repeat something I posted earlier.

When everyone is looking at the fact that e-pts are freezed and transfered to ACF.
When everyone is looking at the fact that ACF can only be withdrawed (I think it's only for SG, MY, ID investors... perhaps investors in other countries invested into ACF can help to confirm my speculation)

Please also look into the fact that
in 6 months' time, you can withdraw whatever is balance of your SIP in SIP15300 plan.
It will be good for late investors, imagine, able to collect SIP15300 maturity, eg, balance of 11 months of SIP in 6 months time.

Does it also mean if you are left with 2 months of SIP15300, you still have to wait for 6 months?
*ouch!*

cheers!



LOL



The next time you are going to tell me is "if it looks too good to be true, it must be"

This is the most ridiculous argument I have often heard from people.

If you have the knowledge and education, and investment accumen,
it is not hard for 40 to 60% returns per month.

Heck, you do a calculation and see how many % returns a hawker earns generates per month,

"If a business really can generate 10- 20% / month."

LOL

"Why so many people still working hard everyday?"

LOL

Again, an opinion formed from the 'inside the box' eyes you see the environment around you.

Those who are working hard, is because they do not know the 'Lobang'

Those who know the 'Lobang', but don't dare to, is because it is in their nature to work

Those who know the 'Lobang' and seized it, it is destined that they will be rich.

It takes all sort to complete this world.

Please continue with your radical, rational, conventional thinking,
so that next time I can hire you to work for me....
... if you .... qualify...

cheers!

... the wind seems to me to make a lot of noise..
..the use of the name " Swiss " seems to me usurped for a society with nothing of "Swiss"..!!

I agree with you bro, we all have to move on now.
If SC do fulfill its promise on Oct, it'll be a bonus to all of us.

But to invest in SIP25, EMF or ACF? i don't think so..
we never know if SC will do the same thing again after 1 or 2 returns of the SIP25.
Bringing more investors in will only give yourself a bad name if things goes wrong.
SC had disappointed us utterly. We can now only hope for the best but expecting the worst.

yes, still need ept to invest into SIP25.
I already did.
I got a few more investors want to come in for SIP25.

My wife's SIP15300 plan is going on as normal




that is to be expected, that SC still pays on new plans, SIP, SAP, SRP, SFP as usual
just that SIP15300 they decided to wind it up,
and did something that no one expected: misappropriate our epts into ACF





she has to check under ACF menu's "Special ACF incentive".
she has 11000 ACF shares because her balance SIPs to be paid out per month from Apr onwards, are all transfered to ACF.
In fact, SC is giving her 'future money' to play with.

If SC transfers the SIPs inside SIP15300 month-by-month.... she would not have 11,000 ACF shares, and if ACF rises, she wont gain as much profits.

There's always more than 1 angle to look at things

cheers!

I guess they are closing the doors for SG,MY and InD.
Think they had squeezed every last drop out of us, now concentrating on other countries.
I sugguest if you really wanna invest, invest wth a china account. It'll probably last a few months more.
But remember to withdraw before Oct. Thats the judgement day.

Good luck bro!

looks like a bug.
quickly send ticket to SC admin,
and also work with your upline to get it resolved.

good luck!




EMF cannot be sold?
clicked to sell, and 'cannot sell' msg comes up?

hm... I still holding to my EMF.
please update up whoever has EMF selling problems, and also please state which country your acct is from, thanks!




troll alert! spam alert! LOL



you sell your EMF and you get TONs of e-pt...



er... because this thread has not yet been moved to 'closed/scam'?



what a stupid statement not supported by facts.

you can believe SC a scam for all you want,
but to think that other people think as what you think,
thinking without supporting evidence,
is to think too highly of yourself, sir!



cheers!



dont get me wrong, bro, i am not a ra-ra SC cheerleader.

i just am able to see investment opportunities,
and i see opportunities here.

anyway, i am ok with the risks involved,
and SC is not my only investment,
and i dont depend on SC for my living,

but... SC is one of my 3 pillars towards financial freedom
unless it turns out to be a scam ...

...then i just have to upgrade one of my projects into a pillar... ehehe

but.. so far so good...
and so far i am able to *smell* investments that gave me good returns



what happened in Penang?



ok.
my SIP25 will profit in Sep... i withdraw and run...
and keep my fingers crossed for the Oct payment in ACF....

meanwhile....
I doing research on my forex trading methods...



oh ya.. just to update,
these investors are old ones, who have heard of SIP15300, but did not start, one reason or another, now they heard of SIP25, very interested, already gave them the usual 'it's your own risk','anything happen, dont look for me' education, etc.
everyone is grown-up enough to take his own risk, dont need me to wipe their backside when they got sh**, rite?

anyway, i am primarily an investor first and foremost,

Agreed with ur statement..

Those who know the 'Lobang' and seized it, it is destined that they will be rich.


Cheers

What a BIG surprise, came home at 2 am, turned on computer, checked sc account and found zero in my account balance, thought it was bugged but that's the reality. Explanation from seniors was too much e-point manipulation in the these 3 countries and money laundering activities. Hard to believe, had to swallow though! Left FRUSTRATED

We should be notified before such actions are taken.

what a stupid statement not supported by facts.

you can believe SC a scam for all you want,
but to think that other people think as what you think,
thinking without supporting evidence,
is to think too highly of yourself, sir!

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What made you so sure that SC is not a SCAM? Is it because you DON'T WANT to believe it?

Stupid statement? who is stupid? The way SC 'hijacked' our e-point is a good evidence. Transferring our e-point without our consent/knowledge. Please read SC FAQ 11.19 and you will see what SC have done to us is 'CHEATING'.

I wonder if there is a company in your country did the same thing to you, will you bring them to court? Obviously it is a criminal offence.

Wake up pal...... and please stop introducing SC to your friends (at least until October 2007).....

p/s: don't mean to offend you......

SwissCash remains doubtful from the day one I came to know about it.


It will remain in suspense until October 1, 2007. Just relax for 6 months.


Either investors are richer or poorer by the said deadline, that is the risk for internet investment which is never considered a solid investment. Those who think it is solid investment are really ignorant about internet investment.

Nope, I cannot confirm SC is not a scam, but you also cannot confirm SC is a scam, can you?

As I already posted when I first posted here last year,
no one can confirm whether SC is a scam or not a scam,
because no one has sufficient evidence to confirm it.

because u said "u still don't believe SC is a scam?" (non verbatim)...
so I just have to throw in my piece of mind

furthermore, whether SC is a scam or not, has nothing to do with 'believe'.

for eg, I can ask you 'Do you believe in God/Allah/Buddha?'
and you will say whatever you like, that's your belief.

It's your belief because no one in the world has yet scientifically proven the existence/theology of God/Allah/Buddha.
(this is again, an age old argument on either side of the belief system, and dont you all start on any argument on spirituality, it will be way off-topic )

SO!...

when you say "u still don't believe SC is a scam?" (non verbatim),
it means you don't have the PROOF!

If SC is a SCAM, it's a SCAM!
if you say so, I will ask you for the evidence to support it.

If SC is not a SCAM, it's not a SCAM!
If you say so, I will ask you for the evidence to support it.

And please... SC is not a religion, or cult, so there is no need to 'believe'

Perhaps you meant the chinese word, xiang xin... more closely translated as 'understand'....

ah... if you had said "u still don't understand SC is a scam?"
then... I won't be so agitated

but i will still ask you, "where's your proof?"




ok, I apologise for calling you stupid
I was also not happy what SC did.
It's illegal, if you check back my previous posts,
I said "misappropriated clients' fund without consent",
I dont mince my words

Perhaps when SC illegally transferred epts to ACF,
that action lend credit to the suspicion that SC MAY be a scam,
but as long as SC does not close down,
there is no evidence that it is scamming.

Just like, for example, your boss comes in to tell you,
"sorry, my business has some problems,
i can't pay your salary for 6 months,
please bear with me,
on 1 Oct I will give you back your salary +20% more and extra bonus, if you all help the company to pull through this difficult 6 months"

what are you gonna do?
quit?
or hang on and help out for 6 months since your boss has been not bad to you in the past?
or do you report now to the business authorithy that your boss is cheating you?

do you see my point?
isn't it hard to call scam, when you don't have the full picture?



yup! I will!
But, too bad, can't do anything to an offshore setup registered in Republic of Dominica





er... if the fish want to swim to the worm in front of them,
i put a wire gauze inside the water to protect the fish,
they still swim around,
and they tell me "it's ok, i take the risk that the worm may poison me,
but i want so much to eat it now",

is it my fault?

don't mean to offend you either, just directed at your words

Hi Jajarbink, am I still promoting SwissCash? You have been misunderstood. I am not a leader of most of the investors here. When there is crisis, I am still around to lend moral support and clarification where necessary.

On the outlook, the new plan SIP25 is better than SIP15300 but it does not mean it is sustainable. I had this question in mind too. But one knows that 12 months for an internet investment is considered long term already. By October 2007 or by next anniversary SIP25 will be replaced again.

So my advice to low risk-takers are to refrain from internet investment. For those who like HYIPs, then 0.8333% daily or 25% per 30 days is very normal in such category.

Why some HYIP (such as Abfund) can sustain at 2% daily for 100 days package or 200% returns? It depends on number of members and amount invested, right?





All investors in Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia are disappointed about "missing" e-points balance and NOT about conversion of SIP15300 Plan to ACF with 20% markup. We're in the same boat.

I had sent a strong objection email to SC on the missing e-points balance although it had been converted to ACF together with SIP15300 Bonus for the unexpired period. I am demanding SC to return the e-points balance to our e-bank account as it was done without prior consent. Wait what explanation will SC come back to me.

I had sent a strong objection email to SC on the missing e-points balance although it had been converted to ACF together with SIP15300 Bonus for the unexpired period. I am demanding SC to return the e-points balance to our e-bank account as it was done without prior consent. Wait what explanation will SC come back to me.


[/b]
[/quote]


None of the tickets or mails been replied so far........ the support system is a big waste dump or a trashbin
Even the few big player in PENANG who manage daily pay-out to members are missing..cabut to other
locations ( DREAMKAYA teams) especially BAHARUDIN who collect e-points and pay cash in daily basis.

Investors just have to sit in front of his laptop and do the transactions. This are the investors who eat the
sweet words and put their hard earn into this...i had tried stop them earlier by showing or introducing some
forums to check and balance their decision....

But greedy closed their eye and heart....pity them....now some of them become poorer from RM10,000 to
RM100,000...i dont know what are they going to do later...

Pity their children's because wrong parents investments...the children's will suffer later..even right now

May God be with them

GREAT NEWS

1. FOR THOSE INVESTOR HAVE CONTRACT WITH OLD SIP15300 HAVEN'T BEEN PAID, THEY PAID ALL BUT ONLY CONVERTED TO ACF AS AWARD TO OLD INVESTOR

2. BUT ALL EPOINT IS CONVERTED TOO PLEASE DON'T DO THAT SWISSCASH !!!!!!

3. SWISSCASH SIP15300 START THIS 6 APRIL 2007 WILL BE CONVERTED TO SIP25 FOREVER


SWISSCASH PLEASE GIVE US THE TRUST THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRUSTING
SWISSCASH WILL DO THE BEST FOR ALL INVESTOR

Read this !!!

Headline News


SolidInvestment II

What we are all witnessing here is the same tactics used by the Administration of the once beloved program Solidinvestment . This program without notice early last year transfered all investor monies into the imfamous VIP Program.

Now Swisscash Admins are making similiar moves to salvage their Money Cycling Scheme.


The Latest Update of Swisscash On AFC and SIP25


Dear Regional Directors , Financial consultants , Planners and Investors.

It is with great excitement that I announce that Swisscash is launching two new Financial Products today.

"Swiss Investment Plan 25" (SIP25) is the new financial product that will revolutionize how a person invests in this world. It's a true investment product, where by your investment principal is fully protected with a return of 25% every 30 days. For the first time , you can have your money working for you 24/7 , 365 days per year as long as global investment environment permits and your interest in the product continues.

Agricultural Comodity Fund (AFC) is a very exciting fund we have created for investors with lower risk appetite. We expect this fund to grow at an average rate of 15% per calendar month. In comparitive terms, this fund is not the most enticing of the financial products in the SwissCash platform , but I personally advise investors to diversify their investments. While comodities do not offer you speculative and phenomenal returns , they are a safe bet against inflation and economic downturn.

Despite all this good news, I feel somber over the measures we have taken to address alarming issues in some countries in South East Asia, Central America and Afirca. We have taken some drastic measures to protect this platform against:

1) Money Laundering;
2) Investors associating themselves and/or SwissCash with illegal online investment SCAM/HYIPs;
3) Inefficiency and delays with the Third Party Payment Solutions;
4) Investors selling E-Points at discounted rate to lure more investments; and
5) Investors using fake identity for multiple account registrations and manipulations.

We chose to take the toughest measures on these markets , and we strongly believe that they will recover from any setback by taking full advantage of SIP25 and ACF. Although the measures taken could be painful to certain quarters, they offer proof that SwissCash is genuine in it's approach and pragmatic in solving problems.

We continue to advise investors to promote SwissCash without breaking any rules, terms of use and privacy policies. SwissCash is a Financial Platform created for long term wealth creation, not a shortcut to success or a get-rich-quick-schemes.

I thank you for your kind and continuous support for SwissCash. A new Era has started and it is today!

Michael Mansfield
CFO
SwissCash International Ltd


Anybody who would believe this above explanation from a piece of Bogus Clip Art Website pudgy faced white fat cat European CFO , is a complete imbecile. This is the EXACT Exit Strategy employed by the Admins of Solidinvestment. The Member/Investors of this program had their E-Points moved over into the ACF without warning or any Investor's permission in the middle of the night, just like Solidinvestment did with that Bogus VIP Investment program. Now they all have to wait till October to withdraw anything. The leaders are fumbling around looking for answers as to how to explain all this to their much coveted Downlines.

Oh , but then there is the SIP25 program! Sure , but no rolling over your E-Points into this lucurative opportunity. Yes , they need fresh cash money to keep things moving. Funny how this Multi-Billion Dollar company blamed everybody and everything , but themselves for this company's Woes. It was obviously the Member/Investors fault for things going downhill. It was the Member/Investors fault that the 3rd Party Exchangers were'nt up to scratch on payouts.

Everybody involved needs to start writing down facts about Upline , Admins , Directors , anything about how you were lied to and swindled by these people. Do not wait till they have covered their tracks , which is what they are now doing , to get your money back and those of your family and friends who trusted YOU. Your Family and Friends did'nt trust SwissCash , they trusted YOU!

wow...never thought after 2 years, now sc also face problem

Danger! Alert to these blacklisted thread!!!


Al-Arabic Fund (www.al-arabic.com)
ABB Fund (www.abbfund.com)
Artemis Wealth Management
Asia Wallet/ASWtrader/Splitindex Inc (www.splitindex.com)
AM Global Management (www.nypoe.com)

B
BHG e-investment (www.bhg-corp.com)
Bidvask Investment Ltd (www.bidvask.com)
Buy-e-barrel (www.buyebarrel.com)
Brentwood Trust Company (www.brentwoodtrust.com)
Belton Market (www.beltonmarkets.com)

C
Cambridge Capital Trading
(www.cambridgecapitaltrading.com, www.dubaiex.com) * (Press Release)
Capital Enhancement Club/ CEC
CB.IRAQ
Capital Glory Holdings Ltd

D
Data Saham (www.datasaham.com)
Dragon Gold Sdn Bhd / Dr Iain Gray
Duit Wayang
Dana Futures (www.danafutures.com)
Dana Modal (www.angelfire.com/journal2/danamodal)
Debenture Petal Trust

E
E-Gold
E-suisse Fund (www.esuissefund.com)
Euro America Index (www.eaindex.com)
E-Barrel (www.ebarrel.com)

G
GC Group Asset Management
Good Credit Asset Management
Gold Quest/ Quest International (www.goldquest.com)
Goldmill Wagner Ltd / GA Worldwide (www.goldmillwagner.com)
Global Investment Network System (http://ginsystem.com)

H
Hibah Funds

I
IPC Shopping Services Sdn Bhd (www.ipcshopping.com)

J
Jai Network Sdn Bhd

L
Lampe Berger
Lexworth Prestige

M
Mercury Acquisition Associates (www.mercuryacquisitionassociates.com)
Montego Finance & Securities Berhad (www.montegofs.official.ws)
My Dinar (www.mydinar.net)
Matrix cash
Mind-X Solutions Sdn Bhd (www.beltonmarkets.com)
My Share (www.myshare2u.com)

O
Oregon Invest (www.oregoninvest.com)
Ocean Balance Ltd

P
Pure Investor / PIPS (www.pureinvestor.com, www.gopips.com)
Prowealth Solutions (www.prowealthsolutions.com)

Q
Quest International (www.goldquest.com)
Quest (www.quest.net)

R
Remisier (www.remisier.com)

S
Sunshine Empire (www.sunshine-empire.com)
Swiss Mutual Fund (www.swisscash.com, www.swisscash.biz) *(Press Release)
Sweden Fund (www.swedenfund.com)
Solid Group (www.solidworldwide.org)
Solid Investment (www.solidinvestment.com)
Smartcash (www.smartcash.com)
Sime Securities (www.simesecurities.net)
Starr-Bradley Associates Inc (www.starrbradleyinc.com)

T
Tian Ping (www.tianping2u.com)

U
United Capital Management Inc (www.brentwoodtrust.com)
Universe Asset Management Inc / Tony So

W
Whitman Pearce & Partners (www.whitmanpearce.com)
..back to list
Alpha Numeric
www.32505.com
3A Consulting Group Sdn Bhd

for more information, plz view:

http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/licens...rt_list.html#w

your link doesn't work..

wow...so shocking, IPC is one of them. I thought IPC win the brand award?

yeah you're right jajar.... IT does remind me of Solidinvestment SCAM of last year.

too many red flags....

i think it's better fold this and moves on....

sad but true.....

Try this....

This are from Security Commision

http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/licensing/in...Alert_list.html

I think the ACF is bull****. The introduction of SIP25 seems that SC needs more new capital in order to pay existing investors. Come Oct 07, people will be rushing to sell off the ACF and cash out on the epts... by then the ACF shares may not even as on par performance with the EMF. Why dont SC convert the SIP15300 to the SIP25. With the backing of Swissmutualfund.biz as a parent company, I dont see those needs for such moves. I will not invest in the SIP25, just wait come OCt 1.

For Info, from what I've received the latest, Jai Network Sdn. Bhd. (under J column) already got the license. I don't know ..... But the news from SC.com up there are the programs/company that not registered with SC.Com.
I think Mr. jajarbink just like a person that always change his membership on mmg, when the programs have a problems he send his thread to condemn the programs, and when the program running smoothly, he just disappears. Registered on January 2007, but just like he knows everything. I dont know.... As I said early, if you want to help ppl from scam/ponzi/pyramid or others programs, I think that you shouldnt post your thread with your signature programs that I also dont know either it is scam or not, but for sure not registered with Security (SC). com.....
And Mr. jajarbin.... better for look at your signature, go to the tread and help your friend there who is didnt get his bonus/daily income.... try to help them is better than shout the other programs is a scam....
For me, I cant guarantee is Swisscash is a scam or not. But I think at least wait until next month, for the person who made an investment in SIP25, they will got the result, either SC have pay them or not.
As Nthdimension said, we cant do anything, we cant withdraw our money, and just wait until Oct-07. And I think better for us to do other job than just waiting.
Now I just waiting... I cant withdraw the money, I cant cancel my membership.... cant make a new investment( should I?) and now I can used this...."expect the unexpected".....

Up to you all ...what you want to say.......because this is a free country...not regime base..

For me swisscash...is a scam...no matter what this programe is doing....i dont care...what i care now is
try my best to save as many people as i can...before they trap in any scam investments..

Too many sharks lurking around which they promote and make fast bucks aka like vampire who
stay close and suck the blood until last drops..as what swisscash did right now

If any of mentioned investment had a legal license than thats good for everybody...atleast will be
back up by security commision and chances to refund is there...

I cannot sort out which one is legal and not legal...its all come in one package..and up to the respective
company to make the call...not me

But swisscash did none of this for past 2 years...that's is planned to SCAM...

I am around in major forums...

CARIGOLD
MMG
TALKGOLD
NOGOLD
KINGOFDOLLARS
MALAYMONEYMAKERGROUP
INVESTDADDY
MINISTRYOFGOLD

The sig is not mine and its auto placed by MMG systems...in this case the MOD should explain that..and i
dont promote any of my investment to anyone here ...

Well...thanks Mr. Jajarbink, I hope after this I'll see your name in other programs thread, trying to save the ppl. Bcoz they also dont have a license and "illegal". . How good you are to be a saviour(seriously).
I dont think ppl here are trying to promote the SC, what we doing here just discuss, and tell the other members if there are a news. That's all.
And about your sig, you can change it, go to your "My Control" up there, and make an amendment....

in MMG not like talkgold there ok... if u said swisscash is scam proof it!!! if not.. then we all have rights to report u spam the forum here!!

Swisscash Scam or not scam... by this october all member should knw!!! Some member choose to move on.. replan everything on their life. Dont just stick there n shout here n there .. no point. NO body can help there!! u help nobody there!!!

so pls dont be future teller there to safe the world.. u r not license future teller as well!!

If u wanna safe the world go to the right place.. not in high risk investment forum here!! most ppl come too here are almost all risk taker player here. They knw the risk.. they knw wat n how to do!! even newbie in here also join and to learn. No pain no Gain!!

Swisscash Scam or not.. soon we knw.. Lets wait for the answer better than being future teller there!!



yea... by October there have 2 news we will get.. Scam or Real!! If scam.. then we just have to move on!! If they able paid all of us.. Imagine how much ppl will beleive in them. I m sure if they paid that time.. Swisscash SIP25 sales will grow extreme fast there!! hehe

anyway.. wish all the best there. Lets just wait for the answer. At the meantimes.. move on.. there have still alot of thing we can do.

Looks like you are the one shouts right now....loose alot ??? well you deserve it....i just use my words to make sure people read and understand the situation...and this is not spam...if you want to report than go
ahead...if the admin ban me ...i will be back...soon

I had tried to save most my friends but unable because they was persuaded by sweet words of so called vampire's and infact their own selfish decision anyway done is done...no return...but still can prevent..

You want proof....look your self laaaa....all your money was taken without prior notice...are u blind and deaf
what else you want more....pay-out on oct with 300% return...than the amount would be BILLIONS...

Wake up buddy....are you still hangover from last night ...most of the forums declare SCAM so that
any one see the main thread they know the picture in it....

I dont think other forum admins stupid enough to declare inactive/Scam/Closed on the threads...they know
what they are doing. Why not you go there and proof to them this investment in not SCAM...

Well said..'geo_seven' ...

wuaahha.. do i shout for u?? look like u really see thing diffrent from real view... i sad.. but i not sad till shout here n there.... i still enjoy my life.. as i told u.. life need to move on man... wuahahaha!!

member are not fool here.. if swisscash really scam... no ppl will join for sure.. no need u to be warning!!

for me.. i better wait for the answer rather than think so much of negative here. No point for me doing that... life need to moving on... i see u are wasting ur time in here man, if u really wanna to help ppl.. go and earn good income and help the poor out there!!



thanks bro!!

Mr. jajarbink...... lets make it clear.... If SC is a scam, the mod will take an action and put it in "Scam, Inactives and close", that what I know. The ppl will forget and get another new programs which could be scam also or not (who can says?).[/b]
[b]BUT[size=3], [size=2]if SC maintain and in OCt-07 Sc pay to all his investor as what it said, will you came here and says your mistake? And how about the ppl that really want to join SC and when they read your thread then they w/draw, and didnt make an investment, so, on Oct.07 they should be have about a hundred or thousand Rm in their acc, but bcoz of YOU they dont have any..... Will you says your apology bcoz of what you have done here?

only frog under the coconut shell will listen to this guy.So far SC never fail to pay and disappoint us. SC did none in this 2 years? Only SC investors know

Oh yes,my money is not taken into ACF and I have got my pay out today.I reinvest to SIP25 immediately.Sweet,my upline happy and im happy too:)

If you come to PENANG ...there is a orphanage home in Batu Maung called RUMAH CAHAYA MATA...and I
manage partially their food monthly which cost me around 1K a month..this is what i am doing for past
6 years...i have 29 children from age 2 to 16

My earning is 4k plus and sometime up to 6K plus as programer for goverments project and tenders which
is my daily routine even i am online up to 24 hrs mostly doing my job.

When you come there just tell your nick to anyone you see there and they will direct you to me...i am
challenging you ..i am not a scam person...you want proof you are welcome anytime.

You know what ...most of the children was left by their parents because of financial failure and i bet you
there will be a lot of children in the list soon...this is what piss me alot.

What are you did in your life so far....????

hi all, can see that it has been a very heaty thread nowadays. quarrel or not, argument or not, it does not really matter. just make your point heard once, that is enough. why keep it going on and on? self-actualization of being right at the expense of others, what good can it do to you? can anyone guarantee if any programs in MMG forum is so real and guaranteed scam-free forever and ever?

if not, then they are scam only when proven. if you can't live with scams, don't be in this forum. try saving someone at every single thread, your life would evolve only around this forum since there are countless threads in here.

for me, just wait and see how. as i said before, i intend to invest in SIP25 also, despite having my points in ACF. this is my $$$ and i do what i want with it. not up to anyone to say i am smart or stupid. i appreciate all feedbacks but i believe i am old enough to make my own judgement. thanx but no thanx to all the repeated nagging. if it were to scam me, including my sip25 then so be it. the only critic of this action is me, myself and i only, not anyone in this forum.

thanks and good day to all, SC lover or hater.

Look below link on one of the programe we did for the children's recently

http://www.fhihotels.com/Member/newsletter...31&Group=HG

Just to show some honest things to all

Hi Brother,

You have my full endorsement. I was arguing on the same line when I posted at TG forum recently.
It is without doubt that whoever come here to invest well know the basic rules of the game and
do not require unnecessary "harpings and naggings" and try to be a "good Samaritan". I also have been
saying all these are "unproductive argument".
There are hundreds if not thousands of HYIPs out there, and can we stop them from joining in? Might
as well tell all the gamblers not to visit casinos, and all smokers not to touch cigarettes and thieves not
to steal etc......etc.......
Again, the motives behind it!!

Cheers!!!

To be continued....

hi sir i salute your enthusiasm towards society. i would only like to point out that it depends on what the person wants to do to his $$$ and not what is available outside that is bad. of course, it does not help that there are endless scams, casinos and other lotteries programs that are legalised by the government (certainly not in any blacklists of the government). if the person is not sensible, he could just take all his $$ and live non for his families and go to the casino, only to lose it overnight. his kids may end up in the orphanage which you have seen countless examples. is it the fault of the person or the casino? it still boils down to his own discipline.

people invest in swisscash because they feel they can earn from it. call it hope, greed whatever. the rule is always to invest what you can afford. if one borrows from bank or mortgage or take his last cent to invest, what can anyone do to stop him?

end of the day, is money evil or human is evil? u get the chicken or the egg first? it's a vicious cycle that evolves forever with no answer.

good day

What ever cross in front of my eye ....i will take into my account....and swisscash is the worst i seen
I know there is thousand of hyips in the air...but all that is small players and does not concern me...

I was touched by recent black-out did by swisscash which some of my best friend's comming and asking
some money with me just to buy basic needs for their family...and when i asked how much did they put,
they say most of their savings and up to the extend most of their jewerly (Golds chain etc.etc )

I am totally disturb by this environment...and when i see still people promotes i get angry and make my effort to alert. I dont know what to do because my blood/thinking was in such way...

I am not here permanently to disturb you guys but time will make things clear to me...no harm to anyone here....have a nice day ahead

Its lunch time...have to go

Right On Bro..!

Just a thought.

To know whether SwissCash is still paying, why not we transfer 500 points from countries that are not affected by ACF, eg australia, to accounts in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia. After that, request withdrawal and if we could verify that the payments went through in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia banks in a few days, we could verify that the 3rd party payment has been solved and there is a chance for us to get paid when october comes. If it still get refunded, god help us all.

This would actually prevent people losing more money and would clear some doubts if not all. Agree?

What do u guys think?

Hi jajarbink... good to hear that u help the poor there!! i m glad to hear that.. pls do understand.. i also not here to harm u or anyone.. hope u understand there. because wat i share also which from my point of view. all member in MMG i m sure they all already understand the risk!

I m sad as ur friend which they borrow and put everything on swisscash as well. Maybe their upline really not explain well on the risk to them. they r a lot of un-responsible leader out there..haiz... You can see most of member or leader in MMG here. We all always have warning member do invest only wat they afford to lost. not everything about the life saving. Even my self also not allow my downline doing this.... so when this kind of new thing happen.. most my downline they already understand the risk. their life still going on as normal there. Wat they earn from swisscash is an extra for them.

anyway.. enjoy ur lunch and have a nice weekend there!!

Here is some calulations done:

A min $1k USD invested into previous SIP15300 will yield at least min 3k worth of ACF shares and plus additional 20% incentive. Lets say come OCT 1, we just take the ACF is worth 1.50 by then. It easily each investor with the minimum investment sum will yield around 6k - 10K USD if they choose to sell and cash out the epoints.

Lets put it on 10k USD on average an investor will get a based on ACF at 1.50 by OCT 1, most people will be rushing to sell of their ACF and then cash out. I would bet more than 50% will do that.

10k USD x no. of investors in SIngapore, Malaysia and Indonesia.. My god... how much does SC will have to come up with the payments. I dare not think. In all the transfer of SIP15300 to ACF will bring back at least 10 times the amount invested.

This is some scenario just sharing

yea.. actually i think most all ppl also think of this as well.. including me. but if swisscash do really paid. how u think? wont swisscash will grow extreme fast by that time. because it proof that swisscash are real.. and they able to paid us there!! heehhe.. anyway.. really wish all of us good luck.. and all the best man!!



i have no comment on this... hehe

Very good idea, but I am afraid you have to wait for 4 months to generate the min. withdrawal of
500 points. To withdraw after one month at 25% will require a min. investment of 2000 points, so
therefore we have to gather a total of 2000 points from some generous members here for that.
Any willing volunteers out there?? For the full test, I mean.

If only SC permit withdrawal of 500 from direct transfer!!

Cheers!!!

Kof,

Compare to my post & ur post, I found that u r the one who worried. Not me. At least I never offer my SC account with discounted rate! As I said, I can accept they converted our investment (SIP & EMF) to ACF. I can understand their situation and their purpose of making this action. The only thing that Im not satisfied is they should not transfer our balance epoints....that is our rolling epoints, not investment! We never invested into any plan. (SIP or EMF)

Yes, I am making money in SC. May be u'll think that my incomes are all from the SFP. Sorry, u r wrong! In total, I personally invested nearly 6 figure (USD) in SC. But still I never complaint about my investment. Win or Lose, it's faithed. This is the rules of online investment. even offline

Guys, sorry for the shouting (my previous post). May be I was very moody that day. This changes too sudden!!

Anyhow, I will still support the SIP25. Cheers!