Dear All ,


Will this senario happened to (new) members of Swisscash , since Swisscash is doing away with
bank TT ?

Imagine this :

1) New SC member from Singapore signed up a new prospect from Philippines .
When this Philippines member decided to activate his a/c , upon checking his back office , he
discovered that there is a epoint exchange dealer in his own country ( Philippines )

He knows that this dealer must be doing very well , have a big group and very supportive
since he is based in his own country.

This Philippines prospect waited for 14 days to lapse and he re-signed up with this new upline
from his own country.

Singapore Swisscash member LOST a new prospect .......not forgetting his time and
effort too....!

Will this incident happened in the new future....?

Just my personal thoughts.....



FROM ,
just28

Well, if you are from Singapore just28, i have bad news for you, hear from my upline that SG will not have any dealers.


SC is creating alot of doubts from the announcement of 'dealers networking'.
i hope they'll give us an update with a clearer picture of whats going to happen

correcting my quote:

i have the misunderstanding that the appointed 'dealers' are also responsible for exchange of e-points for cash
just found out they are only responsible for exchanging e-points for new investors to invest... phew

but unfortunately no dealers in SG, hopefull there'll be up can coming potential

Long live SC!

Chris is opening up am exchange business. www.epxchange.com

so can use his service perhaps.. rite Chris?

The problem is that SC has a requierement to be a dealer: SFP Income $100,000. So it´s gonna be a reduced circle.

Money-Evolution I hope u can still be a dealer.

is it possible that we own our very own epoint exchanger too?
like we can help each others in epoint exchange after we deal with upline?
i oledi mail them about this, and i am sure that they will pay me the reply.

personally i don't think if singapore has an exchanger or not is a major problem because most of the uplines do exchanges for downlines as well and with a large number of epoints in circulation, getting epoints is not really a problem. from what i know, there is no need to know the dealer's info or bank account number or what since the TT order is still sent to SMF through the login platform then someone nearby will send you $$$. they don't really take your epoints and run... rate wise i not really sure how it is determined but should be pretty close to the TT rates of the local bank...

and also, even if the epoints idle in our account give the same interest, note that the aim of EMF is share price appreciation, the interest is just a mini bonus which is pretty insignificant.

from what i know as an open-ended fund, let me quote you an example.

1000 people buy 1 share each at 1USD each. total funds: 1k usd
the investment grew to 1500 in value, each share would then be worth 1.50 so any new investor now would need to pay 1.50 for each share so as to be fair to existing shareholders. the average price would remain at 1.50 regardless of how much the new investor invest in it. note the share price is based on net asset value and not demand and supply as seen in stock market whereby sentiments plays a part in pricing.

anyone tried buying EMF successfully already?

Well, if I had further informations, then I will let u know. because now, it still too early..

Do not worry Just28, U can find a good dealer in Singapore. I can introduce to you when the need arises. Good trading rate and help you to earn some fees too.

I understand that every Swiss Consultant or Financial Planner can be dealers as long as there is good service and honesty.

Cheers!

I think this is a very valid question.
Since EMF is a mutual fund operating only within SC investors, how can the transparency be proven?
Since EMF is not listed on major markets, how would we know that the price reported in the ticker is the actual price and not tampered? how can be verify its authenticity?
Since SC is operating privately and under secrecy, I am sure the share value and number of shares is not audited, it all depends on the computer software to keep track,
how can we be assured that it is not a bucketshop?

sorry to sound harsh, but i think these are valid questions that if SC mgmt dont address, EMF will not gather confidence from investors to buy.
i know there are several high-up leaders here, pls help to feedback these issues to SC, thanks!

Hu...hu....hu.....thanks nvegacruz, hope I will be pairing USD100k soon......
If Im not available, SwissGoldz still provided the best e-currencies services to all SC investors !......
All the best to us!

For SEA market, e-points funding should not have any problem. I do agree with Swisstalk about the license that dealers must acquire in order for them to collect deposit and e-points into investors' accounts. However, I believe there will more exchange services coming up due to this change. I have spoken to a senior, and I was informed that SC may go for "e-payment getaway" which is similar to paypal, egold and etc, where e-point will be one e-currency not for just investing in SwissCash but also for other purpose. I really hope that this could work out for us all.

And as for vincentan's view. Yes, the price of the share will be reflected by the Net Asset Value, in which this will depend on the number of share issued in EMF against the net yield from the investment (s). The role of "first come first serve" while the $1 is still capped would play an important point to get some profit out of your investment in EMF. So, let's hope that the EMF will yield an increasing return to us all. Let's hope that return will grow in a larger percentage than the number of shares issued.

from what i know hedge funds which are available to high net worth individuals do not disclose the portfolio as well. however they prefer a long term relationship with investors and hence would tend to show higher levels of internal corporate governance. if the net asset value is 1.20 for example but they decide to tamper it and show 1buck, new investors would be making a 20% profit for no reason and the only way for SC to sustain earning $$$ from it is to depress the price all the way till zero. yes they will earn alot but the trust lost is worth much much more than what they earned. basically, taking all 15300 $$$ and disappear is certainly more lucrative but that is not happening. so i believe they would be honest and wants to develop a long term relationship with investors. just my personal thoughts...

The business is still good...Mmmm....Some details here should be prompt gaian...I've no doubts on all the plan before...However the new plan is too fishy...However one must try to know the outcome...The bigger you invest the bigger you profit and also the other way arround...That is what we all know from any trading activities...

Swiss Payment Transfer (Wired Payment/TT)

* Wired/TT Payment Notification
* Wired/TT Payment Status
* Chinese Bank Gateway
* Chinese Bank Gateway Status

How a new member can do his/her Wired TT? There´s no SC´s Bank Acct neither Dealer information.

for the current case.. u need back to ur leader. no TT any more. u only can do is out going money on TT only... for those new member.. u need help them to exchanged epoint from ur team or member here who have selling epoint. i m sure some 1 have selling epoint here!!

Yup, i dont think buying e-points will be an issue here.
unless you have investors buying at 6 figures of course

there's always financial planner who are more than willing to exchange for new investors

what do you people think if we provide those potential investors overseas your own bank info and swift code and let them TT $$$ to you till there's a dealer in that area? take on the role of SMF in this case

wish i have the ability to do that man
well, maybe in a couple of years.. hehe..
but as you know, collecting public fund without proper license in SG or anywhere is risky business.
For SG, new investors should get their upline to exchange for them, it's atleast someone they trust

Really hope e-point will has its value and recognition in the world similar to e-gold where it is common for e-payment nowadays.

yeah.......I hope so...

You can do it for good friends that treat the money transfer as gift for birthday or purchase of e-books etc. But not for a long term which the bank statement can detect constant flow of funds from abroad. The bank will report to Central Bank for investigation if the incoming fund is above USD10K under AMLA in some country.

Thats right man!. I totally agree with you,...because Im a banker...!

buying 6 figures is possible thing, in Swisscash everything is possible dude~ Well, this issue have been discuss and discuss, we will see what next will be announce by swisscash then.


hmm...then i guess, more and more swisscash finacial planner is going to fulltime swisscash Finacial Planner then~

I'm sure there are people who invest a 6 figure number with Swisscash.

Might be smart, might be dumb, we'll see I guess.

of course i'm not surprise there are 6 figure investors, or else they wouldn't reach their millions so fast.
guess Swisscash had really gone thru the test of time to invite such investors

Actually you'll find it's the test of stupidity as people get mortgages, etc. to pile all their money into SwissCult, relying on blind faith and nothing else as there IS nothing else to SwissCult.

hi everyone!
I haven't been this thread since , but I just want to check it out and see if how this swisscash good. I hope everyone is great!!!

hi..

long time no see..if im not mistaken u just came back from Hawaii, isn't? If so, how issit goin?

Actually you'll find it's the test of stupidity as people get mortgages, etc. to pile all their money into SwissCult, relying on blind faith and nothing else as there IS nothing else to SwissCult.


I agree with you nchancer, my previous post was also a little cynical therefore...

Some people are lending money with others (or even at the bank) to be able to invest large amounts of money in programs as Swisscash. The outcome might be quite dramatic for them.

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Note also how the reply to your original comment was taken out of context and spun into positive rah-rah. This is the average mindset of the Cult, and will continue to be so! Sad really.

Yes, you're right.

But it won't continue to be so in the long-term I'm afraid for them....

I guess according to you, all religions and faiths are cults

a pastor preaching in a country where the religion is forbidden, living on the congregation member's money (some of them might even have tithed by mortgaging), in the hope of preaching salvation to the masses, without any evidence of GOD except some hallucinations or so called 'visions' might be called a cult.

The Wright brothers must have been cults too. Banking on their blind faith that man can fly, when the rest were laughing at them might be cultists.

Western medicine practisioners were labelled quacks and cults when they showed how a person can be cured of headache by cutting up the skull to cure them!
how times have changed, now traditional medicine is unscientific.

What I am trying to illustrate is just this:

there is no way that we can know whether SwissCash is a scam or the promoters are cultists, except when the evidence of such appears.
if there is no evidence of such, (having no data to prove evidence of SwissCash being a true entity is not proof, it is simply "no evidence to prove". that is the logical way for any argument)
as in the court of law, one is innocent until proven guilty.

perhaps we will only know of SwissCash as a scam and the followers are cultists, until it is too late.

it is good that you are raising concerns and posting warning signs,
but outright using names and labels on unsubstantiated opinions,
just shows that you have an axe to grind,
and that is fine and well,
since everyone is entitled to free speech and his own opinions,

it's

just that,

you

are

biased

and unobjective.


therefore, it is meaningless to be engaged in conversation with you.

THE END

Don't think your arguments are correct NthDimensions.

Everyone is biased somehow: you, me, nchancer and all the others....

I like your blog but on November 9th you're claiming that you don't promote Swisscash:

although I have done my Due Diligence,
I am still not satisfied with the almost virtual existence of the company

But when I see later articles the links to Swisscash contain you're personal referral link... How can that be seen as non-promoting?

wow~thanks dude for caring so much for us, btw we join this program in our will, no forced been done on us, as well as the others, at least i am happy with what i am with. Do you happy with your program that you join? If not, try to hop in with us, Willingly of because.

I'm perfectly happy with IS thank you very much.

I'm happy with them because it isn't a ponzi-scheme based program like 99% of all others programs being discussed on this forum.

I prefer a lower but steady revenue from a real trading company above promises that can't be kept in the long term....

As long as IS is paying, SC is paying or any programs that we invested are paying.
It doesn't really matter who's ponzi and who's not.

SC may seems a ponzi to many, but its still been paying and out-lasted many programs here.
I think that matters most.. atleast to me

guilty as charged!
true i got links to my SwissCash replicating site.
that's for people who are curious and click and see, if they join, fine, i will make sure i get no direct benefit from whoever joined me, as i have told friends who willingly joined me, understanding the risk, i encourage them not to benefit directly from their friends, who, in turn, joined them.

i am out to help, if they need the money-grow-money vehicle, which SwissCash could possibly be, but they all know the risk they participate in, i have spelled out everything to them, as i myself have my doubts, so this is also a risk i am taking, although i have calculated it to be within my tolerable limits,

you will in no way see me use words such as "guaranteed", i can show you how to be a millionaire in 12 months, you make your own decisions.

as i said all along, this is still unknown,
risk what you can risk, nothing more.

if this can work,
perhaps i can give my wife a better life,
help some one who needs the help,

but i am not going all out to promote it.
promote in the sense, promising what i can't deliver
i can never promote, i can only 'share' what i know,
there is a subtle but distinct difference here.

i see who might possibly have a need for such an instrument, they might be better off putting some risk money into SwissCash, rather than putting into lottery, that's how i see it


i am a bit biased now, i agree, since i see some 'good thing' inside SwissCash,
i try not to let it go to my ahead
(at least not until i got a million out of it )
i still try to be objective and poke hard and raise any red flags if i see them,
i am not a 'yes' man, and i don't jump around doing flips with pompoms
(maybe that's why i can't get promoted in my job)



thanks for looking at my incomplete and inadequate blog that i got no time to maintain



what's IS?

Dear Swisscash members ,



I am intererested to join SC . I have been reading the post and watching this company and will like to promote this biz..

Actually , I am looking for an upline or upline organisation which gives good support :-

1) Good online and offline support .

2) Preferably with upline team organisation that actually travels to Singapore , China , Indonesia
, Philippines and other countries....

3) Since I am new to internet marketing , team upline must provide good internet marketing
tools for me to jumpstart this biz ( Previous upline in another online biz claimed that they have
good tools , I joined their group BUT in the end , never share any tips , advise or tools at all .... at
last give up the biz ) Do list out the strategies , marketing tools and so forth...
I am not looking for spillover , I just want to work smart on this Swisscash biz .


4) Upline can exchange epoints with cash and vice versa ( I am based in Melaka , Malaysia ) , do pass me the
buy/sell rate too !

5) Other supporting materials / information so that I can make a better decision in joining...



Please email me at andylow19@hotmail.com .

Thank you !





Regards,

Andy Low

he's refering to his signature banner 'Infinity Shares' bro.
if u're using IE7, u might not be able to see the banner until u losen the security settings

Just think in our life,anything we do or going too there r RISK!!!!!!!!!!!

If u a RISK TAKER, then go for it and nothing is impossible...

" IT'S GOAL (DREAM) IS BIG ENOUGH, THEN NO FACTS WILL STOP YOU"

The biggest enemy not anyone but is yourself.........

So stop saying bad about SWISSCASH OR OTHER'S PROGRAM

At the your MONEY still your MONEY.

I thought Internal Security.... phew!



I think we all can offer our own opinions,
there's no right or wrong,
don't have to be George Bush,
"either you are with us, or you are against us" type of mentality.

if warnings or opinions are good intentioned,
thank you,
you can take it or leave it,
don't need to put labels or call names....

hehehe....



or maybe....
Internet Security...

if i am good at forex, i might try to gather funds online too...
sounds like a good idea....

Agreed with u brother. As I always mention and had mention previously;
- Respect others and you will gain respect back
- What programs other joined, it their decision, same, we do need this respect back
- Dun tried to call names on other programs..
- Lastly, invest whatever amount which we are comfortable with..

Let carry on with life and spend more time on making the best out of Swisscash.

Cheers to everyone out there reading. Wish you all the best in your monies no matter which programs you are in..

Especially to nchancer; Although you hate SC, I sincerely hoped you enjoyed the program you'd join and benefit from it! I do hope u understand and most of us got nothing against u. As a saying goes, one more friend is better than making one more enemy. See you around and if u dun mind making one more friend, send me a PM and we can talk about any other things except about SC.

I agree with you in the part that we need to respect each person opinion!!

Give respect take respect, we will be blood brother.

We here to change idea for grow

Support all good program

True we must respest all programs N members.
Than we will be one family support each other



Respect good view

Carefull bro, ...you have againts MMG Rules No :

#3 Do not "post hijack" by placing your referral link in any threads other than ones you have created. There are no "cashback offers" allowed in the program threads, if you must make an offer it belongs in the benefactor section. Also, do not create posts specifically for the purpose of asking people to click on your signature, such as "look at my signature" or "join under me" or something similar in the program threads.



Hmmm....hmm...seems like cashNcarry starting warm-up the biz......keep it on!



Hmmm....I totally agreed with you rhan!.... to all SwissCash Financial Planner,... let we carry on with life & spend more time on making the best out of SwissCash!.......The e-point that never sleep!..Go..go..SwissCash

Hi Rhan, you have said well. What u have shared will propel SwissCash to greater heights. We need more leaders like you. We are here to help one another to make money from our investments and not to make more enemies.

I appreciate constructive criticisms but not unsubstantiated speculations. Those critics who come with good intentions are most welcomed so as to keep our minds busy. Life will be dull without challenges. hehe




Ya, respect all the programs that other investors have decided to embark on. It is unethical to put labels or call names on people who have free choice to decide. Likewise nobody will be happy to be calling names in retaliation. There will be never ending debates.

Yeah....yeah... you're right man!...

Exactly...

#6 Be nice. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, name-calling or foul language! If someone posts something you don't like, please don't flame them just because you don't like it or you don't agree with them. Everyone is entitled to state their opinion as long as MMG rules are followed.

#7 Do not be a troll on this board. There is a large difference between stating your opinion and bringing a constant negative attitude to the forums. Do not spread lies and rumors. If you call a something a scam, please provide proof.