Please carry on believing whatever you want YMG. But be sure not to include any repaynent from pips, because that money will never be seen again.

Have a wonderful Festive Season !

Another false hope and romour...very pathetic
Its not the 1st time , so i dont feel shock at all..
I think all these guys are sick....




Ref : http://www.financestockoptions.blogspot.com/

Dear all Investor Swisscash,

Thanks you very much for your opportunity for stay in loyalitas wait swisscash.
We have working hard to solve all the problem and things the swisscash legalitas,
with now finished december 6th 2007.

We are very expected that swisscash will be back and on line on jan 5th 2008.
All investor please do not screaming and stay relax, patientce. We will paid all
amount investor money and not any apoint anymore because we are (swisscash)
lost much money.

Thank you,
Michael Mansfield.
SMF International, ltd.



Scammer and liarssssssss

This is definitely not Mansfiled's english.

And i bet michael mansfield himself is not an english

Many people are asking:

Why can't SC/SMF just leave Malaysia alone and deal with other countries? What so difficult about it? Why can't SC/SMF put their sites up? Malaysia is not the owner and authority of the World Wide Web.

The problem is the owners of sc is malaysian such as amir hassan , anuar hassan , dream kaya team and albert lee

ThatS y they cant survive outside malaysia

1 more thing is they have their target on the fund their collected, once the amount is enuff , THEY WILL BE DISSAPEAR

AND THE AMOUNT IS ENUFF AROUND AUGUST-SEPTEMBER 2007 , SO THEY TAKE A HIKE!!!

Why bother to post it , if its only negatif, its obviously a fake , by posting it you become another carrier of fake news instead of leaving it in the rubbish bin where it belongs
take care
remerlin

SC/SMF IS FORCED TO RESOLVE THESE LEGAL CASES IN MALAYSIA, CHINA, JAMAICA, ETC, WHETHER THEY ARE FAKE OR NOT, ONCE FOR ALL BECAUSE EVERY TIME, ANY OF THE AUTHORITIES IN ONE OF THE MORE OR LESS 200 JURISDICTIONS FILES A LEGAL CASE, FAKE OR NOT, THE INTERPOL STEPS IN AND SUSPEND THE WHATEVER WEBSITES BELONGING TO SC/SMF. HENCE, THEY NEED NEW PARTNERS.



ymg

Gosh I cannot believe people are still posting to this swiss cash thread.

It's over and unfortunately it will not be back. It was so much fun with all the sms messages etc. The Malaysian Govt is definitely on the case.

There never was a Michael Mansfield but they did a very clever job at targeting our emotions. They obviously got expert help in the copywriting of his announcements.

We have to move on guys and find something else a little more genuine.

More nonsense that makes no sense at all.

IF was a legitimate Company, Lawyers would currently be fighting the injunction, but where are they ? Hardly suprising that there is no legal team, when there is no Company.

The Ponzi is finished.All that remains is the process to catch the big promoters who ran the scam.They stole our money, so carry on reporting them.

YOU STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND. THERE IS NOTHING FOR SC/SMF TO FIGHT SINCE THE MAREVA INJUNCTION HAS NOT AFFECTED SC/SMF BANK ACCOUNTS. UNDER MAREVA, ONLY BANK ACCOUNTS IN MALAYSIA CAN BE FROZEN FOR 90 DAYS. NO NEED TO SEND AN INTERNATIONAL LEGAL TEAM. THAT IS WHY SC/SM SUBMITTED SOME DOCUMENTS TO PROVE THEY ARE LEGIT. YOU BETTER STUDY AN " EXPARTE MOTION".


ymg

Be hard to freeze bank accounts that don't exist. What does is exist are the bank accounts of the promoters behind SC.

RM35 Mln SwissCash Monies Ordered To Be Returned To Malaysia


So much for the just Malaysia theory

Yes i suspect this is a malaysian guy,

THIS IS A BIG JOKE:

QUOTE:
Once transfered back to Malaysia, the monies will be subject to the worldwide Mareva freezing orders pending the outcome of the civil proceedings filed by the SC earlier this year against Amir Hassan, Albert Lee Kee Sien, Kelvin Choo Mun Hoe, Dynamic Revolution Sdn Bhd, Swiss Mutual Fund (1948) SA, SMF International Ltd, and SMF (1948) International Ltd.
UNQUOTE:

MY COMMENTS:

WITH WORLDWIDE MAREVA, THE HIGH COURT HAS TO ORDER(BEG?) AMIR,ETCs TO BRING BACK MONIES FROM OFFSHORE BANKS TO MALAISIA. OTHERWISE, NO FREEZE(CAN NOT FREEZE). SO, WHAT IS THE USE OF WORLDWIDE MAREVA?


ymg

Once transfered back to Malaysia, the monies will be subject to the worldwide Mareva freezing orders pending the outcome of the civil proceedings filed by the SC earlier this year against Amir Hassan, Albert Lee Kee Sien, Kelvin Choo Mun Hoe, Dynamic Revolution Sdn Bhd, Swiss Mutual Fund (1948) SA, SMF International Ltd, and SMF (1948) International Ltd.

Seems clear enough to me.

Which is unlike SC with e-point exchangers, no offices or phones,no accounts and no checkable records of any kind whatsoever.Mustn't forget, no licences to trade most Countries.

An email sent to me:

We refer to your query pertaining Swisscash.



Please be informed that Swisscash is not licensed by the SC. The product that this unlicensed company is offering is also not approved by the SC. As such this company may not undertake any investment advisory or fund management activities involving securities, in Malaysia.



In line with the SC’s investor protection mandate, the SC filed a civil suit against the persons behind the Swisscash investment scam for breaches of Sections 58 and 178 of the Capital Markets Services Act 2007, i.e. that they have held themselves out as investment advisors and fund managers without a license and have fraudulently induced others to deal in their business by untrue statements on their website. The SC had on 21 June 2007 obtained a Mareva injunction preventing those persons from disposing their assets in and outside Malaysia.



Following that, the SC has also secured a Court Order to direct all Swisscash monies held in certain bank accounts overseas, to be transferred back to Malaysia. Once transferred back to Malaysia, the monies will be subject to the worldwide Mareva freezing orders pending the outcome of the civil proceedings filed by the SC.



We would encourage you to write in and register your interest with the SC if you have invested in this scheme. In this regard it would be of assistance if you could also provide the following information:



§ Your or the investor’s full name

§ Total monies invested in Swisscash and proof of such investment (if any) i.e. bank statements, cheques, cash deposit machine slips etc.

§ Any information on your Swisscash account i.e. account number(s), Swisscash account print out, Swisscash client information print out, cash deposit slips etc.

§ Any relevant information on Swisscash, Swiss Mutual Fund, the principals or agents.

§ Information on how you were introduced to Swisscash and by whom i.e. name of agent, introducer, up-line, etc



The SC has also, together with the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission and CyberSecurity Malaysia, blocked access in Malaysia to new Swisscash websites namely www.swisscashguide.com, www.swisscash.net, www.swisscash.biz and www.swissmutualfund.biz.



As part of SC’s on-going efforts to combat investment scams, the SC will continue to take all measures to combat investment scams including blocking access to more websites and taking appropriate enforcement action against its operators and agents.



Investors are again reminded not to invest with investment schemes which are not licensed by the SC and are advised to refer to the SC’s Frequently Asked Questions : “Do Not Invest in Illegal Internet Investment Schemes” available on the SC website at www.sc.com.my.



Should you need further clarification, please do not hesitate to call Investor Affairs & Complaints at 03-62048999.



Thank you.

Many people are asking:

Why haven't SC/SMF emailed their investors about what really has been going on? SC/SMF for sure have a back up data base with all the investors information including their emails. With today's technology is it really difficult to email people?

Hopefully, YM or other knowledgable persons will be able to answer this!

YOU DO NOT SEE THE POINT. "ONCE TRANSFERED BACK TO MALAYSIA".
HOWEVER, THE MONIES IN THE BANK ACCOUNTS ABROAD DO NOT NECESSARILY BELONG TO AMIR AND OTHER DEFENDANTS FROM MALAYSIA, HENSE CAN NOT BE TRANSFERRED UNLESS PROVEN THAT THE MONIES REALLY Are THEIRS. I UNDERSTAND THAT SC/SMF HAS ALREADY PUT CLAIMS ON THESE MONIES IN THE OFFSHORE BANK ACCOUNTS. SC/SMF DO NOT NEED ANY LICENSE FROM MALAYSIA SINCE THEY DO NOT TRADE IN THAT COUNTRY MARKET.


ymg

SC or Swiss Mutual Fund had no correct licences to trade in any Country.

The monies frozen in several Countries are a result of fraudulent trading and will be returned eventually.

Without that frozen cash the Ponzi can't run anymore.Which is why the membership has no messages from the scammers HQ and no website. Some of the scammers have disappeared since arrests are currently being made.

NO MONIES ARE FROZEN EXCEPT THE MALAYSIAM BANKS.SC/SMF IS NOT A TRADER. SC/SMF, HOWEVER. CAN HIRE A LICENSED TRADER. SO, NO PROBLEM.





ymg

What Licensed traders ? According to most Countries, Swiss cash and its dealers were unlicensed.

So please tell us the licensed Dealers in the USA,Australia,Uk,etc etc. There are none registered.

Next year will reveal just what is frozen just like the scammers who were caught in China.

Swiss Mutual Fund which is the parent company of Swiss Cash has been around since 1948. That means they have encountered many obstacles along the way and have had tons of experience. But, why this time are they having an obstacle that they seem are not able to handle to keep their SMF 1948 intact and instead must merge with another company to survive? This shows that long existence (or age) doesn't really help or doesn't really matter, does it?

Any body dare to give feedback?

I found this from pasai-swisscash forum
It seems that amir hassan and albert lee has run away and the seccom of malaysia have to advertise this ads in local newspaper
I dunno if this is a good news or a bad news 4 all sc investors
But 4 sure , the seccom of malaysia seeking help from 2 the public to find these 2 villan
Refer to below picture

There is absolutely no proof of SWISS MUTUAL FUNDS existance since 1948.No trace from the Swiss or french Authorities.If you have some real proof please post it here.

Check when the company was formed thats the true situation.

Thanks for the post. Do you know when that advertisement was published in the papers ?

QUOTE:There is absolutely no proof of SWISS MUTUAL FUNDS existance since 1948:UNQUOTE

DO YOU REALLY BELEIVE THAT SUCH REPUTABLE INTERNATIONAL BANKS AS BARCLAYS, THE DEUTCH TRUST, America, HSBC, etc ALLOWED SWISS MUTUAL FUND (1948) TO OPEN ACCOUNTS WITHOUT SUBMITTING THE CORPORATE REGISTRATION PAPERS? IF YOU BELIEVE SO, YOU ARE REALLY A HOPELESS MORON.


ymg

Having incorporation papers is one thing. Not having the license to collect money from the public for investment purpose is another. The fact that Swiss Cash collected funds from the public from many countries without any license from the local authorities and regulators makes it illegal.

Investment banks and investment house needs to have proper license from the relevant authorities and regulators before they can operate. Why does Swiss Cash do not have such license?

Cheers.

Absolutely correct.Facts as opposed to the posts from YMG who lives in fantasy land.

YMG, anyone can buy such a company in the UK with a bank account for $100.00 or less.As Forex21 correctly explained, SC have no licences anywhere.You YMG are talking rubbish as usual.Besides which,members never really dealt with any banks except illegal,unlicenced epoint dealers.

Swisscash and Mutual Fund1948 were a scam from the start and the ponzi dream is over.Just like PIPS,SI etc.

Merry Christmas and Seasons Greetings to all ex Swisscash members.May you all have a prosperous 2008

YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT SC/SMF IS AN INTERNET BASED INVESTMENT PROGRAM AND IS NOT BASED IN ANY PHYSICAL TERRITORY LIKE MALAYSIA,SINGAPORE,ETCs?. UNLESS SC/SMF INTENDS TO PROMOTE PHYSICALLY(USING OFFICES,LEAFLETS,MEDIA ADs), AND TARGET AT THE RESIDENTS IN THEIR JURISDICTIONS, THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO OBTAIN ANY PERMIT OR BUSINESS LICENSES FROM THE AUTHORITIES. THERE IS NO LAW SO FAR TO REGULATE THE ADVERTISEMENTS OF INVESTMENT PROGRAM VIA INTERNET EXCEPT E-MAIL SPAMMING.


ymg

There's the real Swisscash owners, hiding with all the members money.

Thanks Digger.

[quote name='digger71' date='Dec 25 2007, 04:15 AM' post='4570519']
I found this from pasai-swisscash forum
It seems that amir hassan and albert lee has run away and the seccom of malaysia have to advertise this ads in local newspaper
I dunno if this is a good news or a bad news 4 all sc investors
But 4 sure , the seccom of malaysia seeking help from 2 the public to find these 2 villan
Refer to below picture


I think sec com. Malaysia running out of time to gather enough evidence to charge the 3 guys and SC/smf for money laundering According to Australian law, regarding Mareva injuction.

E Undertaking as to damages

36.2.47 A Mareva injunction may have serious consequences on a defendant's business, which may lead to substantial claims being made against the Commissioner in the event that it is found that the injunction was unjustified. The Commissioner would ordinarily be required to give an undertaking as to damages, which may be supported, by a bond or other security.

36.2.48 In this regard, the Commissioner must ensure that the injunction is not too wide; catching unnecessarily assets of which he was unaware, or extending to assets greater in value than are necessary to meet the claim

More details of Mareva injunction can obtain in this website.
http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?DocID=RMP%2FRP0036


tsw168

QUOTE:the seccom of malaysia seeking help from 2 the public to find these 2 villan:UNQUOTE

"these 2 villan"? YOU ARE LIBELOUS FOR USING THE WORD "VILLAIN".

ALL THE DEFENDANTS ARE NEITHER EVEN "CHARGED" NOR "CONVICTED". THE WORD, "VILLAIN" COULD APPLY TO THE SECCOM. WAKE UP.


ymg

That because they are in hiding.Lol

Of course, if they are innocent they will have no problem facing an enquiry.Whats the betting they wont come out of hiding voluntarily ?

WHO WILL TRUST THE SECCOM? THIS ROTTEN, GREEDY AND CORRUPT AGENCY OF THE ONE OF THE MOST CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS IN ASIA. WHY THEY HAVE TO APPEAR IN THE HIGH COURT SINCE THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED A SUBPOENA. ONLY A STUPID WILL DO.

ymg

No problemo , but i wonder what r they hiding and running from since they said that they r not owner of sc but only normal investors like us



It was published on 24th of december 2007


So what u 1 me to call them..ANGEL or SAVIOUR
U must be kidding...rite


And u called the seccom is villan indirectly
When u said something , it is factual but when other ppl doing that , it is a lie

[size="4"]Again what you're saying doesn't make sense, internet based investment has only had a short existence of 10 years, while SMF1948 is suppose to be an old hand in the investment world , they could not have raised corporation money without themselfs being registered and licensed somewhere, somehow .
remerlin



DO YOU REALLY BELEIVE THAT SUCH REPUTABLE INTERNATIONAL BANKS AS BARCLAYS, THE DEUTCH TRUST, America, HSBC, etc ALLOWED SWISS MUTUAL FUND (1948) TO OPEN ACCOUNTS WITHOUT SUBMITTING THE CORPORATE REGISTRATION PAPERS?
ymg


I'd like to remind you that SMF1948 was deregistered in december 2006 in the commonwealth of Domenica, from then on SMF lost the right to use these banks, such as Barclay bank and the Hong-Kong bank etc..... these banks refuse to take cheques or money orders from investors in SMF.
That is when SC/SMF1948, created the 50 so called no name, invisible official Swisscash dealers.
Of course investors were never told, then , that the loss of registration was the real reason for the change.
Take care
Remerlin
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[b]Many people are wondering:

Although SMF/SC is now off line temporarily, they are still working and earning monthly profits for their investors, aren't they? Therefore, when SMF/SC comes back, they will be able to pay all the missing monthly profits to investors, won't they?

Hopefully, YM or others will be able to provide a good answer!![/b]

Maybe that is correct in your world but in reality, what you say is not true. There is no such thing as a pure virtual company as to be 100% virtual, it must not have any human intervention but we have not reach that level as yet. Behind every virtual company is at least 1 human being and that said, the business would need to be incorporated and be subjected to that country's laws.

For an internet based company which is technically as huge as Swisscash, would need to have employees and people who run the business and they will need to have physical office and infrastructure to cater for the day to day running of their business. If you add the framework of 'investment', it would need a team of financial managers, financial analysts and compliance officers and other investment support team to run it. They will need people to go meet up with companies which they invest in too.

Unlike in your own world, a financial based company can be easily be a front for money laundering and they would thus need to be registered and comply with each and every single country's financial laws and that would include registering with them. If they are not registered with that country, they cannot deal with their citizens.

Of course you are right if they just invest their own money's and not accept any investment from anyone then you do not need to be subjected to as many laws.

Believe what you want, the world thinks otherwise.

What makes you think that yours is the only truth and all the governments and law enforcement agencies are wrong ? If Swisscash is not doing anything wrong, why is it so silent, why can't it just provide proof that they are above-board and be done with it. Why go into hiding ? Why is there no transparency ? Why isn't any of their top officers making any public press release to clear their name?

I RESPECT YOUR OPINION. HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE AN INVESTOR OF SWISSCASH, YOU SHOULD HAVE READ TOS(TERMS OF SERVICES) VERY CAREFULLY. ONCE YOU AGREED WITH SWISSCASH TERMS, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN OR DEMAND RE: THE MATTER OF TRANSPARENCY. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE, YOU ARE FREE NOT TO INVEST WITH SWISSCASH.



ymg




SWISS MUTUAL FUND(1948) WAS DISSOLVED IN DECEMBER 2006. BUT SMF INTERNATIONAL LTD. WAS REGISTERED IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION,AND NEW BANK ACCOUNTS WERE OPENED UNDER THE NAME OF SMF INTERNATIONAL LTD. THE 50 E-PONT DEALERS, THEREFORE, BANK WIRED THEIR MONIES TOTHESE BANK ACCOUNTS OF SMF INTERNATIONAL LTD. FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE E-POINTS ORDERED BY SC INVESTORS.
FOR YOUR INFO ONLY.


ymg

Actually I am an investor but when I read the original website, it managed about full transparency if you recalled it. They changed along the way nearer the closure.

IF YOU ARE AN INVESTOR OF SMF, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO TO THE COMPANY REGISTRATION PAPERS.ETC. HOWEVER, IT IS CLEARLY MENTIONED THAT AN SWISSCASH HAS NO PRIVILAGE TO ASK QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO ANY SENSITIVE CORPORATE INFORMATION RE: SMF 1948.


ymg

What juridiction? Which SMF international account? We had no way of knowing who were the new epoints dealer as SC invoked privacy law when asked where, which bank do I send my money transfer, there was no more Swisscash account in banks. We had to rely on the honesty of our upline to buy epoint, this leads to corruption, in my own experience was when I wanted to buy 10K of epoints, the dealer took $400.00 apart from bank charges without telling us about it. This would have never happened under the swisscash bank account system.
take care
remerlin






























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YOU ARE RIGHT. THE E-POINT DEALERSHIP SYSTEM WAS A FAILURE. THAT IS WHY MANSFIELD HAS NOW TIED UP WITH A NEW PARTNER LIKE Sun Mutual Fund Inc. of FMR Corp. GROUP.


ymg

Who on earth told you that ? Fidelity and SWISSCASH ? You must be joking.

Swisscash hs not been around 4 a long time but u r forever supporting n protecting it with no reason
So either u r Amir Kelvin Albert or BB all in one or u r just a crasy moron who hv nothing else 2 do but 2 bark here everyday or u hv this uncurable illness U r someone who like 2 lie non stop
I may b wrong but I belived I represent most of d members here who would like 2 say this 2 u
PLEASE STOP POSTING WE R ALL FEDUP READING ALL UR CRASY N STUPID LIES PLEASE JUST DISSAPEAR FROM THIS FORUM

ymg i am happy with your opinion.

I AM NOT JOKING. PLZ VISIT:http://suntraders.com/terms.aspx

QUOTE:
COPYRIGHT POLICY, LINKING POLICY AND TRADEMARKS

The Sun Traders Sites are protected by applicable copyright laws. Accordingly, you may not copy, distribute, modify, post or frame-in the Sun Traders Sites, including any text, graphics, video, audio, software code, user interface design or logos.

Unless you and Sun Traders have agreed otherwise, links from another web site to a Sun Traders Site must resolve to the top-level homepage of a Sun Traders domain (e.g., www.SunTraders.com, www. SunTraders.net).

In order to avoid confusion if you do link from another web site to a Sun Traders top-level homepage, your web site, and the link itself, may not suggest that Sun Traders endorses, sponsors or is affiliated with any non-Sun Traders web site, entity, service or product, and may not make use of any Sun Traders trademarks or service marks other than those contained within the text of the link.

All trademarks and service marks on the Sun Traders Sites belong to FMR Corp. or an affiliate, except third-party trademarks and service marks, which are the property of their respective owners.
UNQUOTE:




ymg

That's what the people at Suntraders wants you to believe. But if you ask FMR, I am sure they will tell you that they have not heard of Suntraders.

By the way, have you receive your log-in details for Suntraders yet since if I am not wrong, you should be receiving it some time ago ?

I just don't believe what Suntraders said since nothing it said about itself is real.

I am 100% agree with u , sc is gone and toast a long time ago

Spot on.Just more smoke and mirrors.Mike Mansfield the respected trader may well deal with suntraders at FMR, but this is not Clip art "Mike Mansfield" the non existant CEO of Swisscash and the Suntraders they invented.Phone and ask Fidelity!