Wow! Most depressing news! Tq for your info. Lets wait and see what is going to happen. You can say there

are lots of folks out there living on hope. Hope you have a nice day!

QUOTE:
3. Procedural History

The Complaint was filed with the WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center (the “Center�) on May 7, 2007. The Complaint as initially filed identified RegTek Whois Envoy as the Respondent. On May 9, 2007, the Center transmitted by email to Registration Technologies a request for registrar verification in connection with the domain names at issue. On May 11, 2007, Registration Technologies transmitted by email to the Center its verification response stating inter alia that RegTek Whois Envoy is a privacy service, that the registrant listed is Philip Seldon and providing contact details for Philip Seldon.UNQUOTE:



I UNDERSTAND ST PURCHASED THE DOMAIN NAME 2 to 3 MONTHS AGO. THIS WAS CONFIRMED DURING MY TALK WITH A STAFF OF ST FEW DAYS BACK.



ymg

Tq ymg . This clears a lot of doubts about ST . What a relief it makes my day. For those believers out there

Hurray for ymg !


Cheers.

First, I said you should read the whole thing at the url I posted.

No, Regtek and Suntraders have the same answering machine, the numbers are BOTH from Providence, Rhode Island, and neither of them answered their phones at any of the 3 "extensions". I called both of them 3 times each, to make sure it wasn't a "coffee break".
Last month, Regtek was cited for another phishing/spamming scam.

Now, if they purchased the domain name 2-3 months ago, and they are a big investment firm, why are they in Nowhere, Rhode Island with voice mail instead of a person?
Regtek-whoisenvoy is also the contact name on Suntrader's.

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The hosting company has moved from Florida to West Virginia SOME TIME AGO, the proper address and phone number being purposely omitted by "Suntraders" to stop people from calling the hosting company.
They can be found at www.hivelocity.net

Give them a call,...I already did.

Now, unless YM, you're going to try and tell us now that Big Ole' Suntraders.com, the financial giant, didn't bother to register their domain properly, (that takes 5 minutes for a 10 year old) in addition to neglecting to hire a receptionist of any sort, and those really aren't the phone numbers for the registrant, registrar, and hosting company (who, incidentally seem to know who their hosting and where they're from), you'd best stop telling these people "des histoires fantastique".

Suntraders has no SC data, (well, they DIDN'T before you GAVE it to them) , no money for any staff, no server of their own (for 580,000 accounts!), no number in New York, and no answer in Nobody'shome, Rhode Island (and it's a unit in a strip mall!), and a domain name they bought from a scammer (as YM would have it),...hmmm,.....

I understand being desperately in search of your missing funds, but giving your ID away to an unidentified entity, who has offered you nothing in return, and is definitely in no way transparent , is surely not the way to proceed to get it back. You're only hurting yourselves further.

Wow! thanks for the info it makes very interesting reading. Although we have findings from several sources I

am wondering which source is more reliable. You folks out there make an intelligent guess. I hope everybody

here stay cool. But please do not impose on people your beliefs!

Thanks for all the information Anniebanany. Unfortunately it is a little late for those who have already given their personal details to the bogus ST.

I REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHICH IS MORE RELIABLE. BUT ONE THING I AM CERTAIN IS SC/SMF WILL NEVER,NEVER ALLOW A SCAMMER TO STEAL OUR HARD EARNED MONEY SO EASILY.I AM SURE THAT IF THE REAL SC/SMF IS FLOODED WITH REQUEST "FORGAT PASSWORDS",THE MANAGEMENT WILL SURELLY "ALERTED"..JUST IMAGINE OVER 135,000 Fake Members Asking For Passwords From the Same E-MAIL ADDRESS.


ymg

Dear exSwissCash:
It's definitely not my intention to impose my beliefs. I don't have a "belief" on this, as that would imply having faith in unseen things, which I rarely do, as you can see.
I simply find info. That's all. From the most legitimate places I can think of, short of going there with a video camera myself.
Then, I put it there for you to look at. I just don't want it to be misinterpreted. And, that's possible, since I saw these things and others haven't or aren't able to.
If I sound emotional, that also is unintentional. It's possibly because it makes me angry to find how some people will prey upon the innocent, the wounded, and the victims. I'm angry with the scammers who try so hard to make you believe their lies,...certainly not with the folks in Swisscash who've lost their life-savings in some cases.

It is my wish that all Swisscash members can get a large part of their investment returned to them, as I know this is causing financial hardship for many.
That's why I post these things. To help you avoid those swindlers who realize that the Swisscash membership are in a vulnerable state, hungry for answers, and desperate to find their money,....so desperate as to abandon going through the steps of due diligence before acting on instructions from an unknown party.
The only thing worse than being robbed, is being robbed twice.

Well, assuming that the various governments and law enforcements across the globe are correct, Swisscash is a scammer on the offset and since they have already stolen your hard earned money, they would not allow others to share the loot.

You really have to note that there are so many times in the past which Swisscash allowed their websites to be 'hacked' and all that, what makes you think they don't make it easy for others to steal their data ?

For those who has submitted your data to ST, all you can do is to hope and pray that they do not misuse your personal information and actually you get the ability to withdraw your funds.

Let's take the side of a devil's advocate for a moment, maybe the reason why ST no longer received phone calls could be that they have already stolen enough of your information and do not need you anymore. They may already be busy packing their bags and plotting their next steps to scam you. I seriously doubt they will use your data to log into Swisscash but use it for some other scams. If so, we would have a lot of victims around.

Swisscash cannot reappear until all the court proceedings are concluded and funds released in Malaysia and China.

ST has little or nothing to do with SC accounts.It 's merely a site to scam a nice big mail list and offer the new scam to ex sc investors.

The chances of Swisscash emerging again are zero.Best hope is a refund from your upline.

Good Point, YM. I have no idea how one would do that or even if that's his target. But,.here's a whois for him from 2003:
Philip Seldon
1474 Third Avenue
New York, New York
10028
US
Email: philip@catlover.com
Voice: +1.2124529103
Fax: +1.2124529104

And a comment he made in 1997 in Google:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.forsal...F-8&rnum=23

In <01bc2081$e02c4940$b66284a9@mine>, "Philip Seldon" <phi...@catlover.com> writes:

>I bought this bulk e-mail software....
>...for extracting addresses from newsgroup postings....
>This new software did not work - ...
>I am out $349 which is a lot of money for me...

=========

If you're looking for sympathy, you've come to the wrong place. Most
of us hate e-mail spammers -- especially those that pull addresses
from newsgroups.

Eric Larson
e-lar...@cu-online.com

So, you can see that he 'harvests' information. Pretending to be "T-mobile" by setting up 18 domain names similar to what a T'mobile person would expect, is obvious phishing, so,..while I don't know what would be done with your I.D., or how it would be misused, I have no doubt that someone this determined to get 18 domain names just to phish one site, has a lot of things figured out, that normal people wouldn't even dream of doing to others.

SC/SMF REPRESENTED BY M. MANSFIELD AND HECTOR W.SIDBERG CAN AT LEAST GAVE US A WARNING IN SCGUIDE IF ST IS A SCAM SITE SINCE MANSFIELD AND SIDBERG VERY DILIGENTLY MADE A SERIES OF WARNINGS IN SCGUIDE EVERYTIME A FAKE WEBSITE APPEARED.
Just My Opinion.



ymg

Can you honestly say with full conviction and proof that the statements and warnings on Swisscashguide are actually made by the real Michael Mansfield and Hector W. Sidberg ?

Because I am sure you are intelligent enough to realize that on the internet, anyone can claim to be anyone he wants to be since you cannot see that person. There is nothing to justify their statement unless it is fully authenticated.

Then again, the two fellows you claimed may just be fake and the persona is taken over by different people over time.

There is nothing to say that Swisscashguide.com is a website which is the true site, like I said, it could have been started by the same people who started Suntraders for the sake of creating credibility amongst the gullible.

No proof whatsoever there is a Michael Mansfield or Hector W Sidberg.They are all part of the Swisscash illusion.

A REAL MANSFIEL OR SIDBERG, It DOES NOT MATTER. AS LONG AS SC/SMF IS REAL(I KNOW SMF IS 100% REAL), THE MANAGEMENT OF EX-SC/SMF WOULD OR WILL GIVE ex_SC MEMBERS A WARNING RE: ST BY ALL MEANS. NO NEED TO DOUBT. However, IF Real SC/SMF IS SCAM FROM THE START and ST IS THEIR NEW PARTNE IN CRIME, ST DOES NOT NEED TO COLLECT ex SC INVESTORS INFO ANEW BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE SAME CRIMINAL GROUP. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.



ymg

Or,if the whole thing was run by Amir bin Hasan, and his buddies, and they've got your money and never want to hear from you again,..then, why would they care if you get scammed again?
Amir, Serene, Profitized, James Teo, BB NG etc., all have access to telephones, cameras, computers, just like before, but they are all silent, now.
If they cared about you, don't you think one of them, just ONE of them, would bother to show you some proof that they haven't run off with the cash? Your cash?
Why would they warn you? Did they warn you when they turned all your investments into ACF's?
Nobody is saying Suntrader's is working with SC and scamming together.
It was 2 separate things. Swisscash Amir/Serene/BB Ng scam, and then a bunch of small-time phishing scammers.
They're not connected. They are all, though, feeding on your need to find something right in what happened.
There is nothing right in what happened, YM.
It has all been a very cruel event, compounded by more cruel events.


In case this could help with your worries about stolen ID, I don't know if this would help, but it might:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/16/business...&ei=5087%0A

No, I don't think that the ST group is the same as the SC group. Assuming that SC Guide is started by the ST people, they can just say anything on their website to establish anything.

SC/SMF was once registered but no more and if the Malaysian and Chinese Government are correct, these people are already stopped in their tracks. If that is the case, the ST/SCG group people may know that fact and are just exploiting the situation. The founders of the proported SC cannot surface and provide any information.

Remember that you only heard about ST from SCG and nowhere else.

Go Wikipedia there is thousand's of Micheal Mansfield and please show me one who
connected with SMF. By right there should be one.

On SMF which is totally fake and malicious even the Swiss Embassy and Commonwealth
Of Dominica had given official statement , which is FAKE and nothing was registered with
them by so called financial platform even other multiple FAKE identity such as Swisscash
and SIP25.

Is any of these rings the bell on your head ??? Or you don't have the bell at all. Pray harder
and keep on with your empty hope's, for sure you won't get a single cent but you will get the
bell one day.

GPRS

SORRY. I TRUST SC/SMF 100 TIMES MORE THAN AN IRRESPOSIBLE STAFF AT SWISS EMBASSY IN KL.
AT LEAST, FAKE or NOT, SMF HAD BEEN PAYING DILIGENTLY SINCE MAY 2005 UP TO LAST SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER AS FAR AS I KNOW.


ymg

Yes very precisely, all that is a small bait to catch the the big money like what is
took place right now and the best one is SIP25. What you want to say to those who
got scammed since then infact you are one of it right ???

GPRS

Swisscash Plans to return on 5th Jan 2008

As promised By swisscash it would complete 9 phases and Return to operation with full swing from 5th Jan 2008. Leaders from Singapore and philipines had warned Downline not to Submit Any Personal info to Suntraders .

Leaders had Confirmed that Swisscash Will Add up Epoints ( monthly commisions ) as per the Old Plan SIP25 till december.

Pass this info to your Downline and Support your downlines with all the latest info. We are working Hard to get you the Updates on Swisscash.

Source: www.blogger1.info

Agreed GPRS.There is absolutely nothing real about Swiss Mutual Fund, or Swisscash. No records exist,no licences and no trace of the supposed french family behind the company.It was a Ponzi from start to finish and now it's over.

I agree with Ym on the ST point, it can't be the same scammers behind SC as they would have all the information anyway. I will stick to the opinion that ST is just a "phishing for members" scam and nothing to do with SC.

I hear the cad in Singapore are now investigating SC promoters too.

Hi 'anniebanany', Thank you for your due diligence on Suntraders & RegTek. Since u have given proof that they are fake, please report as soon as possible to FBI or FTC or any authority in USA since they gave misleading address & phone numbers in the jurisdiction of USA. There have been too many internet frauds and scammers growing everyday. Unless you report them to the proper authorities, they will continue to make many people's lives very miserable! If there is no report, the authority won't really take action. We must banish all these frauds by taking action & co-operating together. I know we cannot eliminate all at once but some serious initiative actions must be taken.

Is that so....

WARNING !!!
Sometimes in the midst of our desperation to get back our SwissCash money, some scammers will design websites to promise our returns BUT after submitting our claim forms & documents to them, the scammers in the end confirm your investments and then ask you to pay them an upfront fee first as admin fee or processing fee. Once paid, they disappear! This tricky strategy is used many times by scammers to prey on those unaware innocent investors! Just imagine there are estimated 580,000 investors world-wide, if the scammers are able to get 1% of 580,000, they get 5800 investors to pay them. Let say 5800 X US$200 fee = US$1160000. Easily scam more than US$1 million! So, be very careful as far as internet scam is concerned! Official annoucement via our registered email or sms is by far still a proper channel!

Previous confirmed scammers are:
(1) Shao Tze Yu
- asking for US$300 to $400 per SC account as processing fee.
(2) Roger Cok
- asking for US$600 per SC account as processing fee.
(3) .................... ?
Maybe, if you know of any confirmed scammers, please add to this listing
for the benefit of all.

Sorry what I have said here is just a general statement. It is not meant to hurt anybody feelings. I appreciate

your concern and a few others who has been sharing their infos for the vast majority with their undying beliefs.

I feel so sad for them because I personally know a lot of people have 'lost' their savings. So please do not get

me wrong because I have feelings just like you trying to help others. So God bless !

Cheers.

Copy & paste from Pasai forum asking those in the photos to explain
to their downlines on the exact status of SMF/SwissCash and why so
many stories about the SwissCash are never ending until now?

Mr BB Ng, Asia Marketing Director of ex-SwissCash International.

Dinner Menu for above SC meeting held in China on 3rd Feb 2007.

SC Dinner Fellowship with Datuk Omar's family - event held in M'sia.

From right to left: 2nd person Amir Hassan, 4th person Dr Albert Lee.

It is really sad that so many people have lost their money, yet hang on in the hope that SC will be back. I did the same myself with pips.

Unfortunately the scams never come back, but I wish you all the luck in getting your money back from your upline. some have been refunded already.

I was told that profitised has changed her signature on TG now. Something about all her upline being scammers......

In truth, I DID call the hosting company, immediately, but the problem is that they wanted me to send them, via email, proof of Suntrader's requests (and deadline) for sending in confidential information.
Now, the only place that I personally have seen that request, was in quotes from YM, and in Mr. Valentino's chat.
Not wishing to point any problems at YM, as I don't believe he is the scammer, but just another victim, as so many scores of people are in this issue, I have no way to show them the proof that they require to take down the site.
Which is why I asked others, especially those who HAVE sent in their ID, to send an email to abuse@hivelocity.net

Unless someone posts for me the url, etc., or a letter they rec;d requesting the id, or something like that,..and I will send it in then. I understand some people may be afraid to call or complain, but as I said, I already told them their was a problem, and the site was 'noted' by the tech. He is waiting for verification.

Out of 135,000 applications anybody out there willing to come forward to testify? Think about it nobody is

forcing you !

The Below Is web.archive of Domain: www.Suntraders.com

Source:http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.suntraders.com

Any Comments?

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ymg


IT LOOKS LIKE ST PURCHASED THE DOMAIN IN SEPTEMBER 2007.


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ymg

Why bother with this scam YM ? It's only a phishing site. There is plenty enough information already to confirm this. There is absolutely no hope of SC returning via ST.

MY SOFWARE DID NOT CATCH: www.Suntraders.com AS PHISHING SITE. WHY?


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TAKE ACTION NOW!!


http://scinvestors.blogspot.com

YMG, A Phishing Site is one which pretends to be another well-known site to steal information from unsuspecting customers.

Besides the Netcraft toolbar is not a software which automatically detects if a site is a phishing site or not, someone has to report it and then some other parties need to verify the report before it is added to the database.

In Suntraders case, it is not pretending to be another company, it just steals your data so it is more like scam.

As for the Web Archive, I am not denying the fact that the domain name suntraders.com was one which was registered for a long time and was used to by some other company. However that company sold that domain name in September 2007 which the current owners bought for $2888. For evidence you just trace back a few weeks about the sale of that domain name and all that.

So any information before October does not relate to the current site and owners so you cannot regard them as anything.

I am sure you are smart enough to know that a domain name is just a virtual asset which could be bought and sold.

Hold your Horses! ST has until 30th Nov. to give us the ID and Password. If everything goes well then it ends well.

If not all of us has an option.We just sit back and watch or can consider the above option ( provided it is not another

scammer! ) What say you folks out there ? As for me well ............?

can anyone give me amir hassans address as my lawyers are now ready to sue him as he sold me e points knowing sc was a scam. if anybody wants to join my group it will be a stronger case and cheaper to sue him. my lawyers have told me i have a strong case as mygovt have already indicted him for being a fraudster.does anybody know if his three companies are still operational if so i can use his company address to send summons.i may have to hire private investigator to source him out but i need a group because of costs.

where are people getting news that 30th nov is new deadline also how do they know sc opening jan 08

[quote name='vally' date='Nov 18 2007, 05:34 PM' post='4497864']
where are people getting news that 30th nov is new deadline also how do they know sc opening jan 08
[/quoteSee this site


www.suntraders.com/qualification.aspx

Hi,

Still hope they return my money.

Jasni
http://www.minvestment.com/?r=mjasni

xcessbiz has answered this perfectly YM.

Thank you xcessbiz

Dear vally.... can i have your handphone contact?? As I wanna join ya sue.... but i think i am under Mr Ee.... another dealer... can i join you??

myscinvestor i do not think u can join with me as my dealer was different from yours. form your own group with all those who bought epoints from your dealer. also internationally there is going to be a big case. please visit www.scinvestors.blogspot.com

Please visit this blog now. It is time to take action! This is very fair as enough time has been given. We can form a global group with representatives from each country. Time is precious. Let us all unite together and get moving today! Any suggestion most welcome!

"anniebanany" and "vally", please render whatever support you can, in this global campaign to call for True Justice!

It didn't catch it BECAUSE if you read my post about Seldon, he complained that his email harvesting software didn't work.
The way Suntrader's is doing this, is not electronic "Phishing", it's SUCKER-PHISHINg,...you sent in all your info on their site of your own will.
They just sucked you into it by promises of the return of SC. It's not going to set of your phishing software if you give it to them.

At any rate, it shows that while Seldon was using it for phishing in June 2007, and used another site for wrongdoing in September, the Suntraders.com has NOT been in existence for longer than a few weeks, and either it was just bought from Seldon, OR Seldon simply changed the ownership. The guy is apparently NOT broke, so it would be more logical for him to sell it to another "name"/ownership, even if he just wrote a check to another fake identity, to get the dogs off his back (or to separate his "pasts".

As for Swisscash, I feel terrible about the people arrested in China for promoting it.
No doubt, they were lied to about the legality of such by ms. Greeady "Chinese Gateway Banks" Chea, and even greedier BB "I know China" Ng.
If you don't know what I'm talking about:
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/6252488.html

I hope someone can appeal to Chinese authorities for clemency, as I am positive these 2 people were sucked in as well, and they have No one to point to in China as being their uplines.
They are , I fear, in deep trouble.
Maybe they knew what they were doing, but, as I recall, Ms. Chea and BB made the China expansion look like a piece of cake, and as I remember, "Perfectly Legal! Look at my Chinese Bank screenshots!"

Following is the last message from,
Michael Mansfield,
Chief Financial Officer (SMF)
15-September-2007

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY THE HIGHLIGHTED SENTENCES.

Dear ex-SC Investors, Financial Planners and Consultants:

I feel so proud to share with you that within the past 28 months we had achieved so many outstanding milestones.

1. Our E-banking/Online Facilities have improved tremendously almost every month.
2. We have launched our International prospectus earlier than imagined.
3. We have achieved to the record of even more than USD300 million investment funds in one month. (In comparison to other mutual funds or offshore businesses, it is really great).
4. Investors from many countries had put their trusted money on our Financial Facility for the past 28 months.

More milestones had been set for the year 2007-2010. A year, in my point of view would be a very important and positive for the growth of a Financial Facility. I wanted to share with all of you my vision for the year 2007-2010 in a special announcement, but .............?

As of now, we are obliged to discontinue this great financial facility due to many fake legal problems, so we have given our total strength and facilities to a new partner to continue this wonderful and extra-ordinary business for you and they are so busy planning for the new website that is to be launched in 9 phases from September to October 2007 that will comprise of a few major changes of products and strategies.

I hope you can feel the excitement and positive energy of this new team throughout this time as well as the coming years as you are introducing this great opportunity to your friends and associates in your region.

Successful people know how to take action, the bigger the better. The simple decision to take action creates energy and gives life and momentum to your business. This energy to make things happen in turn attracts people, as it is a rare commodity, and people are attracted to your energy and action.

The most successful people know that "DO NOTHING is WORSE than doing something, even if "something" turns out to be the wrong thing. You are better taking any action rather than none at all. You will LEARN NOTHING FROM DOING NOTHING. Doing something will at least teach you one more way, not to achieve the outcome you want."

So what is the next step? This crisis is coming to an end with all my group and company efforts in the next few days; just focus on the other new resolutions and you will believe again that our financial facility is one of your main priority in your life.

As we have promised you before we have arranged with our new partner for something new without any person of the previous team. Now the new platform is ready and they are in the process of integrating the old members' data with the new platform. Great thanks to all our investors for their being patient and trusting us, so we promise them to keep their funds in work with the power of this new partner.

So please wait for the new team to contact you only via email or SMS to introduce you the new platform. They have all data about all ex-SC investors with full privacy. You can confidentially trust them as you trusted us. They have your principal Money which where in our trading system. Again thanks for your patience.

The last message from,
Michael Mansfield,
Chief Financial Officer (SMF)
15-September-2007

[quote name='magiciansmate' date='Nov 18 2007, 09:46 PM' post='4498095']
xcessbiz has answered this perfectly YM.

Thank you xcessbiz
[/quote]


I've been following all this for some time, had to create a new screen name beacuse my other one would not post for some reason so this is my 1st. I have talked to PokPok, Yeah and DK in Val's room also, they are aware of me. I have NO PROBLEM talking on phone with reliable people as to prove my identity. I got Amir's address from a contact under this guys name called Chris Oakes. I don't know how reliable it is but I'm all for going after Amir, and Maszuin (disappeared now as I was told) May they totally burn for taking everyone. Their greed is the root of their evil. The home address is as follows:

Amir Bin Hassan Home address:

8 Jin Banang 3, Tmn Bukit Tiram, 81800 Ulu Tiram
Johor, Malaysia
Date of Birth: April 27, 1968
Nationality: Malaysian

I was told when I first started to wire my money to Amir Hassan, and here is the provided info. Later I was told that is was causing too many problems as there is another Amir Hassan wanted on terrorist charges. I was told that some Swisscash investors wiring to Amir Hassan's account in Hong Kong were contacted by the FBI and asked why are they funding money to a terrorist. I don't know if that was BOGUS info. or not but THIS WHOLE SWISSCASH was definately a Scam and soooo many people lost tens of thousands. I was swindled by Chris Oakes and Dominic Hrabe, BOTH WHITE COLLAR scammers in the USA. I have both of their contacts phone #'s.

Account Name: Amir Hassan
Account Number: 6021 5695 2888
Bank Name: HSBC Limited
Bank Address: 102A & 204 One Square Central, Hong Kong, Hong Kong
Swift Code: HSBC HK HHHKH

If there is ANY way I can have legal retribution, please contact me. From what I know currently, if something is a TOTAL scam, then there is NO legal leg to stand on especially if not registered by the Securities Commission. Again I would sue Chris Oakes for fraud but I don't know if that is possible. Chris Oakes is my upline, big investor in Swisscash. He knew it was FAKE and I think knowingly "roped" people in (roughly 300 people I was told) so he could make more money. He knows Maszuin but said Maszuin disappeared. Chris admitted to me about 1 week ago that Swisscash and I quote "always did things under the table". Those were his exact words. Other than Maszuin I don't know of any other contacts he had but under a court ordered sepina he would be under legal oath.

Again, please contact me directly if you have some thought on legal action! I do have HIGH level contacts in the legal field (through motivational speaker Tony (Anthony Robbins) but I was waiting like many of you as promise after promise has been made and it is to my conclusion Swisscash is TOTALLY OVER FOR SURE!

A very disturbed Swisscash investor

Please visit this blog now. It is time to take action! This is very fair as enough time has been given. We can form a global group with representatives from each country. Time is precious. Let us all unite together and get moving today! Any suggestion most welcome!

"anniebanany", "vally" and "swisscashdead", please render whatever support you can, in this global campaign to call for True Justice!

Its over guys , dont waste yr time anymore
Swisscash is the biggest scam and u guys can pray they all pay not here but in the hereafter