It was always wrong for most but its true in practical even till these moments.


Cheers...

C) The following confirm that SwissCash website will be up:
speedup62:to prove Mr J & company knows nothing about swisscash/swissmutualfund 1948 and try
to fools you.The days are numbered.GOOD LUCK AND CHEERS.

hopefully

i believe everyone over here would be more then happy if swisscash comes back online

even those who says "confirm scam" LoL

p.s: as long as it pays,who cares

Updated poll. Feel free to add your name accordingly.

Thankyou very much for the good news...

How exactly were people able to "confirm" that the website would be up? How do you define "confirm"?

I'm trying to determine the relevance and accuracy of this poll.

Please read related posts for the past few days to understand the definition of some of their confirmations.
Some through internal connections which cannot be revealed while some are based on Mr Michael Mansfield's
news update on rebranding. The poll is to monitor an overall observation of what people stand for and not just
based on confirmation. To get direct answer, anyone can ask those confirmers in the poll.

This is a message taken from another forum:

Here is an interesting fact to consider. In July, an INTERNATIONAL MAREVA INJUCTION was taken against Swisscash. Look at the bold points below to see what this meant for Swisscash. I guess it was only taken into effect on the 18th of August.

Now, consider what Mike Mansfield mentioned in his last internal email about a possible 'rebranding' of Swisscash. In fact, a practically new investment company, maybe better or not than SIP25. Who knows. What we do know is that Swisscash is a real company (for it to be called in to court), and that a Mareva Injunction is a freezing order which as the points below point out, the websites have to be deactivated, no new investments taken in, and no new profits given out (this is exactly what we are experiencing) . Don't expect Swisscash to say a word about it officially because they are legally restrained (this is also what we are experiencing) .

A new Swisscash? Its very possible. I do hope Swisscash wins the case, because as any long term Swisscash investor will say (sorry for those of you who just joined in August!), whether sooner or later, Swisscash has never missed a payment. No scam here folks. Just a victim of circumstance against the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.


Two more investment scam websites blocked, SC obtains international Mareva injunction against Swisscash
Kuala Lumpur , 10 July 2007
...

Meanwhile, in a milestone enforcement action against investment scams, the SC had on 21 June 2007 obtained a worldwide Mareva injunction (Mareva) against persons involved in the Swisscash internet investment scheme, preventing them from disposing their assets in and outside of Malaysia.

The Mareva was sought by the SC following the filing of a civil suit against defendants Albert Lee Kee Sien, Kelvin Choo Mun Hoe, Amir bin Hassan, Dynamic Revolution Sdn Bhd, Swiss Mutual Fund (1948) S.A., SMF International Limited and SMF (1948) International Limited.The Mareva, which can be viewed here (pdf - 418KB), restrains and prohibits the defendants from:

* carrying on the business of Swisscash,
* targeting, soliciting and/or collecting funds from the public for investments in Swisscash or any other internet investment scheme, and
* hosting or operating the Swisscash websites or operating any other such websites which solicit investments for Swisscash or any other internet investment scheme.

The Mareva also requires the defendants to disclose information pertaining to all their assets in and outside of Malaysia, the companies they have incorporated, and the bank accounts they operate...

Posted by Brunei Swisscash at 6:28 PM
Labels: hamlet, mareva injunction, swiss mutual fund, swisscash, swisscash news, swisscash updates
9 comments:
Anonymous said...
To BruneiSc,
It does not make sense to me that an International Mareva injuction was taken against sc. Let me ask these questions and see if anyone can comment on them.

1. What problem has sc done to investors all these time?
2.Is there any case that sc is scamming investors, Malaysians or others?
3. What has Malaysia got to do with sc?
4. Who actually owns sc, is it Malaysian?

Investors were very happy with sc but not after 18th August. Although I don't know the reason why sc is down, I feel that Mareva Injuction is definitly not the case.

Anyway we will wait and see if sc is really comming back. I hope so..
September 8, 2007 10:27 PM
Revathi said...
Yes my dear Brunei,
Today I too have seen the Malaysian High Court Order copy and the Securities Commissions plea that Swisscash(SMF) is a money laundering Company. It is true many Millionaires were made because of Swisscash and if the SwissMutualFund truly indulged in forex,broking, hedging and such other activities certainly its bags are full of profits. And if it shares the profits with its investors what is wrong? It is a family of investors and not of a religious community that never allows to gain "interest" on any sort of investment. Then, if a particular country is having fundamentalism as its core value why the global investors have to suffer. Is it a fatwa on their own community?

Why Swisscash or SMF is not in a position to approach the international court to have a stay on the fatwa type mareva injunction?

If the strong legal department of SMF is working on that why the same was not conveyed to the global investors?

Let the investors from all over the globe voice against the Mareva proclaimed by the Malaysian High Court and the Securities Commission.
September 8, 2007 11:11 PM
Brunei Swisscash said...
1. The problem did not arise due to SC, but rather the cases where a number of people got swindled or tricked by people posing or mistaken to be from SC. People complain, M'sia reacts. Unfortunately, mistakenly.

2. SC has not scammed anyone in its surplus of 2 years of service. People are still recieving OMTs now.

3. Msia is one country plagued by many scams. Msia just decided to act on it for whatever reasons. Also, there are hundreds of thousands of SC investors from Msia, of varying degrees of invesments. Apparently, in volumes of US$millions, so it affects the economy.

4. SC is not owned by Malaysians, because it really is in New York and Dominica. Besides, I met the Msian leaders before, and trust me, they are just like you and me, but just more successful. A lot of people become envious of this of course.

Mareva is just a hypothesis. Just as those 'new' old websites people are talking about. I'm just sharing my 2cents. Yup, just wait. 6 more days!
September 9, 2007 5:49 AM
Anonymous said...
It's a sad fact folks...

I think this INTERNATIONAL MAREVA INJUNCTION is not fair to Swisscash, not fair to its investors like you and me.

It is taken against Swisscash because Swisscash is not a registered investment company (in you know which country) and therefore didnt pay tax. This particular goverment wanted the tax (which is part of our profits) so badly that its courts made a sickening and unfair judgement!

We are all part of Swisscash. We shall do something to help out Swisscash and its founders and those, fighting on our behalf, in court.

I suggest all in association with swisscash shall sign an online petition to get the INTERNATIONAL MAREVA INJUNCTION lifted, or reduced to a LOCALISED MAREVA INJUNCTION. Any IT savy guy out there willing to help set up such an online petition?

Have faith... my fellow swisscash consultants and investors. We shall not be taken down by this outrageous injustice. We shall stand up and fight!

Check out this link
http://www.membersw isscash.com
September 9, 2007 6:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Bruneisc, Now the Mareva injunction.. whats next??. We do all want Swisscash to come back but do not pin more false hopes on the investors as it is bad enough now. Research your resoourse before tell others
September 9, 2007 8:14 AM
george k said...
Hello BruSC,

You are very confident with your recent posts.

Looks like you are putting your reputation on the chopping block, whatever happens on 15th Sept;

We Kiwis are willing to take your words for self conforting till that day.

Lets hope for the best.

Pease keep all of inform on the latest.

Rgds & cheers

GeoGeo
September 9, 2007 8:40 AM
Anonymous said...
Investors,

We knew there were some attempts to hack the sc during the 2+years of operation. One of the reasons that I could think of that cause sc to shutdown is that it was being hacked seriously. The hacker could be one of us (investor) who could have known the sc operating system and security pretty well. When sc found out, it immediately shutdown the whole system without prior notice to avoid further destruction and so as to protect our investment.

If this is the case, sc has to scrap the system and re-engineer it before it can put up on line. To re-engineer the whole system will consume a lot time and afford.

It is wise for sc not to inform investors when exactly it will be back on line because informing investors is the same as informing the hacker. I believe sc regional directors and or top leaders were well informed about this problem. It is just because of the security measures that they were asked not to talk about it.

Well investors…This was just something that came up to my mind that I would like to share with you while waiting for sc website to come back. Cheers....
September 9, 2007 10:29 AM
Anonymous said...
if someone will tell you that he will freeze your bank account, it means you cannot withdraw or transfer your money. how come someone telling that they still receiving their OMT upto end of August?
September 9, 2007 11:07 AM
Brunei Swisscash said...
to the latest anonymous(pls guys, leave a name for reference),

you're gonna have to keep up with the latest info, bro. OBVIOUSLY, the OMTs being "received" NOW were "made and approved" BEFORE Aug 18th BEFORE THE INJUNCTION TOOK PLACE.

OBVIOUSLY, no one cud've made any further OMTs after the INJUNCTION because THE WEBSITE went OFFLINE ON AUG 18TH, and so did what you refer to as 'freezing accounts'. Point here is that, SC was still sending out OMTs no matter what until it became critically impossible. Perhaps I should clear up my last article. Many people are confused and misunderstand me. A lot of footnotes and appendixes needed for newbies...

Here is information from Yahoo SC forum sent by someone who obtained it from Brunei SC forum.

There is nothing to proof , its all about how one define things naturally by sensing
what is happening around.

Cheers...





So far there is nothing official to determine the website would up , its just
some console among its members and through some promoter blog.

Till today i still don't know where and which is their real website and update
even there is lots of argument for the real Micheal Mansfield existence...

Once the dateline on 15 Sept is over , for sure this so called believer will drag this thread
further to 1st October which actually apply to Malaysia,Indonesia and Singapore investors.
Just curious , is this thread violated the house rules ???

Cheers...

D) The following believe that SwissCash website will be up:

SCmillionaire

This url site is probably done by the SC leaders in Singapore. Wonder why CEO Michael Mnasfield and anonymous Asian Technical Director (or just one of the SC member) make so many grammatical errors giving their status.

Hope you don't add in news when there is now news. Or just your imagination run wild?



I agreed with you. With the dealine Sep 15 nearer, it will be a pity if they cannot deliver. Plenty of people around the world are going after Serene Chea and the top Swisscash leader in Singapore. Lots of comments from them on: http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/showth...683&page=50 and http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/showth...683&page=51

If Swisscash really crashes after September 15 which is the date they speculated the SC site will open up, a lot of investors from around the world will go after them.

Thanks! AdvisorySupport for doing a marvellous job on the poll update

But I did not see McNickySmith's vote, could it be a MMG error? Especially sometimes post are lost, I've seen it happen once when they did the server update and some posts were lost, maybe you have seen McNickySmith's vote, but I can't trace it here, how about we let McNickySmith vote again?

Also, scaffiliate did not really say he/she is adding to the poll, how about leaving him/her out? Until he/she really official add to the poll?

I suggest the following as update:



Is it agreeable?



this is such a darn good answer, that I have to applaud





For SwissCash & SMF, which in the beginning, already do not have sufficient evidence of their legitimacy,
if any leader just plain tell the investors to 'take their own responsibility for taking the risk to join such a program', then I do not believe, if SCash crashes, anybody will 'go after them'.

It's likely for those that over-sell, over-promote, do not tell all the risks involved,
giving guarantees, etc, that will land themselves in trouble.

Lesson: conduct any business with honesty, integrity and decorum.

Is the Spa and K-link still operating in Tanjung Pagar Road ??? Need to send
somebody there to confirm and get them ready for some refund for those under
their network/downline, another 5 days to go to determine the reality.

Cheers...

Hey, Tot you were a paid member of MMG?

Anyway, are you from Penang's DreamKaya Team?





Send somebody? Please do not act as if you are so capable. You are nothing. So dont BS.

To Jar:



Time and again you evade the question.

Are you a member of Penang DreamKaya Team? YES or NO....

Dont give me that crap answer.

Go ahead and sent "someone" down.... make sure you walk your talk.

You are diverting your attention towards dead end lol.... go and do
your research on these missing website..you have only five days left
to complete your hibernation. Make sure you sit and talk lol...

Cheers...

Diverting is what you are doing now.

So are you a SC investor? Yes or No

Did you ask your upline return you the money you invested when the sip15300 are converterd to ACF shares? Yes or No

Are you a member of DreamKaya Team Penang? Yes or No

Answer these these questions first...

Come on tell the truth...dont lie to yourself

Jar is obviously SC investor

what brings him here LoL

and he is also hoping SC'll give his money back...that's why he made extensive research LoL



but the fact that he is always against SC is perhaps he's well...envy/jealous? perhaps he's a malaysian and well account blocked

while others around the world were

SC publish on local newspaper oon my END

stated:- bye-bye swisscash,hopefully the news go false as 15th sept 07 approaches...

i only remember there is one guy named XXNG promoting : today u put in money in SC, 15months later i garantee u will say thank you to me. so put all ur money into SC. it was recorded in a DVD distributing to all SC members.

"Hey, Tot you were a paid member of MMG?"

I got a funny feeling the illustrious Jajarbinks has had his money returned and his paid member status cancelled, possibly for the sort of posts he has been submitting.

Think about it! We all highly value MMG and this forum and try to abide my the rules. Our illustrious member jajar has a tendency to try to expand the borders of our understanding to be on a similar level to the crud that Talkgold allow!

I will leave you to make you own e.valuations!

Raconteur

PS Jajarbinks "was" a Swisscash investor but was given a full refund in cash by his upline!

Well, let him answer his own. 3 questions to answer and each is a yes or no.

I also heard that.
but I guess he's able to do that, perhaps he knows something that we don't,
however it may now seem that he claims he has no info about the current situation

I also remember that the above was an answer to some questions posed to him.
Could it be that the DVD was not from him,
but from the hand of some eager investor wanting to recruit downlines,
that had captured the answer onto DVD?





in the early morning hours, I think perhaps it was 2am Singapore time (GMT+8),

post#13771 contained highly unethical content

I followed up with a post deploring it

now my post was gone,

and post#13771 was edited without the *edited* comments,

so perhaps only the admin and those who have seen the original post know what was posted.

And since the incident has been contained,
it is good and fast action, thank you.

p.s. at least I am glad MMG has standards



I don't think there is a way to cancel account, unless the annual fee is not paid?

Perhaps it's the password and TAP taken over by the upline under his trading id.
is he having a case of 'since I don't have it, no one else can have it' syndrome?

Please add me in:

D) believe website will be up

Thanks

McNickySmith

don't mind me for asking, but how official is the projected 15 Sep 07 date of SwissCash returning to operations? can anyone please share with me their source? if the information is too sensitive, please communicate with me via PM, thanks.

If... IF... SCash is finally back online,

I do hope those who have been through the agony that we've experienced,
no matter Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the rest of the countries,
bury the past,

IF we have a chance to start over again,
do keep it as a Private Investment Club,
we have all seen what happened when the blog contents, emails, phone numbers, addresses, etc,
were used against the investor.

I guess we can never stop greed and people wanting to promote publicly,
but I remember the TOS did not allow promotional websites,
and public soliciting.
On hindsight, if the TOS was followed,
I guess 2007 would have been more peaceful and rewarding instead of this roller-coaster ride.

the latest news is that sc has decided to make payouts in iraqi dinar
what a great day it will be when i can buy a milk bottle for my son from the payouts

Is 7 mth over?? If not you can get lots of cash.

I read through previous posts, and I think I understand the "poll."

However, it is still a bit awkward, in my opinion. Not what I would personally consider a "confirmation."

Oh, well. Don't let me crash your party. At least everyone's having fun, right?

Hello Nthdimensions, thank you for your contribution. We can do poll update monitoring together. I have left "scaffiliate" out of the poll until he/she confirms vote. The poll is now updated as follows:
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i believe SC is scam site!!
no doubt

if you believe SC is scam site or not!!
what is the point???nothing will gonna change your destiny!!

If that is what you think, Thank you for ur comment mfjgaming ! Do you have any prove to support that??

If not, Please move on . . .Have A Nice Day

Latest information quoted from one special forum.

" I have got an updated info from a friend, who talked to a highly trustable friend who had visited SwissCash's office in New York. That guy said that the Management Staff and Technical Staff (IT staff, of course), had been working very hard accomplishing their task transfering all investors' data to the new servers. Later on, u will realize what i am saying is true. Hopefully, in not more that 3 days, we can all smile happily. Keep crossing ur fingers. "

Yeah you are right ...lets all have the extra time to determine the realty.

Cheers...








Nope you are still wrong on predicting my status.. speculate all you can

Cheers...



It can be yes or no...ask again i cant understand your actual question..

Cheers...

Ha, put your credibiltiy on the line? Just answer and dont pretend you dont understand.

It can be yes or no....ask again

Cheers...

wow...
cant stop laugh.
You are guys so funny??
what are you talking about??cant change the situation
but, i am salute you
you are guy still have hope

Just answer. U cut the crap.

It can be yes or no...ask again and say please....

Cheers...

Well, your response proves other wise... You are just lying to yourself...

But as what I understand that the US office is not a real office, its only virtual office which only have P.O.Box there! and most of the staff located at HQ which is Dominica, if not more then 3 days its 14th nor 15th this week am I right?

hi,
can you telling me what happen??
when SC will ne online??
thanks

yeah correct...
as far as i know US its just virtual company and used for mailing add only .not more than tht...

Edited: Please post in english only please

A very disturb soul... hope he has a healthy mom

Site is gone!

Can you state clearly which site and with proof, please dont post anything here when you have nothing to show, every one can say the words, but what's the point?

U disturbed by your own concious?? Well lying doesnt help.