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Dear Serene Chea ,


Are you saying that even malaysia a/c's which are being blocked can be access by you and we can actually sell the epoints in our account ?

Is that correct ?

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Thanks !



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thanks for correcting my ignorance

Roger!



if you think this is a ponzi, you should expose it, and report to the authorities, and show proof that you have reported it as a ponzi.

do not speak as if you know of the facts, if you have suspicion that it is a ponzi, tell us why do you think it is a ponzi, let us learn from you,

if your allegation is based on assumptions none other than
"it smells fishy, therefore it is a fish"
.... sorry, that doesn't cut it

contribute something pls, not just words.



that's the way to do it before Oct, and do update us on progress of OMT.
this is one way to gauge the health of SC cash flow

this is a valid grouse.

after Apr's Big3 boo-boo,
now SwissCash does this, which is not good Public Relations for SCash.

what would be better is allow the MY investors to login.....
just freeze any transactions related to new account creation or new re-investment of funds, this would allow the MY investors to see what is happening, not like the current situation.

Leaders pls feedback to management.

Requested OMT on Sat 16/6/07 (SAT), approved on 20/6/07(WED) and I got the funds in my bank acc TODAY!!

if you r offline investor, why do u need to login?
offline investor means someone is managing your acct, am I right?
either that, or you have struck a deal with a SCash investor, and you trade among yourself?

edited: spam

same here, since Apr, perhaps they are just ignoring Big3s

Please stop repeating your words...

hello bro,

the simple answer, from me. U just look over their plan, only ponzi scheme can, offer that very high profit

this its, open discussion forum, i think u should control ur behavior here.

WOW THAT'S QUICK.MAY I KNOW WHERE A U FROM.THANKS



I SUGGEST SC LEADERS IN SEA REGION SHOULD HAVE A MEETING TO SOLVE THE ISSUES REGD THE LOGIN PROBLEM, OMT PROBLEM & TICKET REPLY PROBLEM.MAY BE CAN SUGGEST SERENE TO TAKE LEAD AND HIGHLIGHT TO SC MANAGEMENT.

as per what I just said,
you can only say that "you think this is a ponzi scheme"...
if you had said that, I won't even say anything,
anyone is entitled to his/her opinion and beliefs.

what you did say was "this is a ponzi scheme"
once you say that, you better prove it,
no proof, don't say anything as if you know it's true

you cannot just conclude something because you find no other solution to explain it.
by your logic,
there must be a God,
there must be ghosts

just because you cannot comprehend something within your scope of knowledge,
does not mean that the solution lies only within the boundary of what you know.

I also cannot figure out how SwissCash manages to pay out promptly and never missed any payment since Apr 2005,
but I won't say its a ponzi because,
1) firstly, I cannot prove it, and it definitely does not follow the regular patterns of a ponzi
2) there is something more, the cash flow cannot be explained away by ponzi alone.

dear bro,
if you really intend for discussion,
don't just talk without proof.



the last OMT came in:
withdrawal 3,000USD 15 Jun requested.
20 Jun approved
4,600SGD received on 22 Jun

best rate ever: US$1 = S$1.5333



thank you Mr/Ms Dealer! Who ever you are

Hi Nth. I'm assuming all your withdrawals are by wire transfer. If that is the case, my OMT request made on 19Jun might be approved by 23Jun and probably will receive the money in my bank account earliest on 25Jun. Am I correct?

Quick Quote Symbol
EMF Buy
1.61 Sell
1.58 Change
0.00 Today High
1.61 Today Low
1.60 Symbol
ACF Buy
1.55 Sell
1.53 Change
+0.01 Today High
1.55 Today Low
1.54 Time
13:03:42 Refresh

mybe, u are right
anyway, what i can says here, SC had been online for a last 3 years, and no other ponzi scheme, can beat them

sorry, if i had make u angry

no, all OMTs are carried out by Dealers
I don't know how it works, but this is what I speculate:

I OMT request.
SwissCash checks my e-points, checks my bank account country,
check in Singapore, is there any Dealer.
Finds Dealer, internal-transfer my e-points (which are already debited from my e-bank the moment I submit a request) to the Dealer.

Then this part is what is interesting, and is what is causing the delay most of the time (as I speculate):

The Dealer calculates the local currency equivalent of my e-points,
either:
1) goes to my bank, do a cash deposit via ATM machine, then goes to my town centre for a makan.... etc....
or
2) hands the cash to a runnner. and the runner goes to a ATM machine of my bank, and do the cash deposit.

the delay in my receiving the money, I think, is mainly due to human reasons, some one got delayed, message to runner not passed down correctly, MRT break down, Dealer down with flu, etc etc

OMT via wire transfer? nope. All via 3rd party for a long time already

hope you get a rough idea of how OMT works.
anyone care to comment?

SO ALL OMT VIA CASH DEPOSIT NOT THRU SMF (1948) S.A AS DONE BEFORE.WHAT IF THERE IS NO LOCAL DEALER OR DEALER HAVE NO CASH TO PAY.I PRESUME THAT MOST OF THE REGION DEALER FROM MALAYSIA AND I DONT THINK THEY HAVE CASH TO PAY OMT. JUST CURIOUS.THAT'S NOT CONVINCING

no, I am not angry...
I see other discussion forum on SwissCash, a lot of nonsense going on.... no true value there...
I like MMG thread here not because I support SwissCash, heck, I am an investor, I want to protect my money, I am neutral about what type of animal SwissCash is,
as long as I get my money back.... nothing lasts forever.....

SwissCash does allow me the opportunity to have more financial freedom,
that, I am thankful.
But it still does not validate it is a legitimate setup....
maybe it is a ponzi,
maybe it is a ponzi + some fantastic casino betting winnings
maybe it is a ponzi + some forex trading

if SwissCash is real, if Swiss Mutual Fund is real,
if that 0.001% of possibility exists that
we are now invested into a company that used to be the private investment vehicle of millionaires,
if that minute possibility exists and happens to be true,
OMG, we have the opportunity, chance of a lifetime, to be riding the investment-vehicle on the FastTrack which is closed to a small fry like me.
Can you imagine, sitting at the same dinner table with Donald Trump?
that's the analogy. Imagine that!
(of course I am not holding my breath for that to happen, just take it one step at a time, see how it goes )

sorry to digress and long-winded,
back to why I am on MMG.
not because I support SwissCash,
but because I can get good info and facts,
and there are good leaders here that I can ask questions.

.... forget about getting good info from the other forums...... a waste of time

that's why I feel strongly about preserving the fact-based discussions on this thread....
for SwissCash or against SwissCash....
thanks for understanding, bro!
apologies if I sound too direct

If thats how they do it Singapore then no wonder you can get the funds in just about 1 week. I don't know if that is the case for Brunei because I got information from some members here that did OMT but waited nearly two or three weeks for the funds to arrive.

I hope my OMT will be as fast as yours.




He didn't say that. He is just speculating or assuming that is how it is done in Singapore. Different countries might have a different way.

Have a nice day.

DO WE HAVE ANY DEALER IN BRUNEI.I GUESS MAY BE NOT THAT'S WHY OUR OMT HAS BEEN DELAYED.IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN FIND OUT FROM SC REGD OUR LOCAL DEALER.

I am not a Dealer,
so, the short answer is:
"I dunno"
And any Dealer out there won't reply you on this,
they may have some confidentiality clause to sign.

Hey, Serene! You said you are a Dealer?

If the Dealer got no cash, but lots of e-points,
I think the Dealer has to find the cash somehow...
(maybe that's the part of the delay?)

And when the Dealer system was first introduced,
there was some chaos.... delays, etc....
that led up to the Apr decision.
Since then, it seems from feedback, and as you can see from my feedback,
the OMT via Dealers has been quite smooth, albeit plus or minus a few day's delay can be expected

My advise is that, if you plan to OMT to pay bills, better OMT 2 weeks in advance...
happen to me a few times, kena fine due to late payment...

I fully agree with you. By fake, I suppose you mean someone pretend to create a temp trading account or he may just activate and invest minumum USD100 just to get an active investor status but he may be a watchdog over this forum. Pls be aware that normally we use our legal NRIC or other document number to sign up, there is way to track you by the authority via your trading ID but it takes a bit of time. I cannot elaborate much here but my two-cent advice is to be careful. In a way, the purpose of our upline leadership is to help and guide us. It is important to join a team with that kind of support. If your immediate upline cannot provide that, then go and find your higher upline leaders. Occasionally one can PM over this forum to members you can trust. It is NOT advisable to discuss SwissCash private or sensitive or confidential matters in this public forum


I agree with you. We have to be very careful in this matter.....

Dear Kingkong,
I dunno if you are new to internet forum netiquette or not...
but, do you know that...
because in forums, we can only express in words,
there's no voice or facial expressions...
so...
if you type in capital/bold letters,
IT MEANS THAT YOU ARE SHOUTING LOUDLY THE MESSAGE!

you know what I mean?

I just found out today that MahShaYuChen is a dealer in Brunei. I will try to get in contact with him and probably meet face to face for future OMT dealings. I just PM'ed him to get his contact details.

I should probably get your contact details (PM me) too or if you prefer just PM him.

Edit: I just saw that you only have 12 posts..not enough for PM. I just PM'ed you something. Please check your inbox.






Hehe.... Sorry KingKong but I have to agree with Nth. Better get that caps lock off or people here might think that you are angry all the time...LOL

Be happy always...and have a nice day.

Hi,
I did outgoing money transfer from MY account on 9th June 2007 before the gov blocking the page. I've received approval of the transfer e-mail from Swisscash on the 14th (at least the system is still working at the moment). However I didnt receive cash until now yet. pls comment/advise?

Her


tell us if she's pretty,
then I can go Brunei and drink kopi with Her...
with her husband permitting...

Hehe...Why dont you ask Serene for kopi..she's more closer to you there...
You guys can go lepak at Starbucks or somewhere..

k thanks for the advice.Next time I will write with small letter

Nice and entertaining...a lot of pro and cons and hope's too..pray harder guys

I have seen Serene before, she just does not know me...
I am just a small fry inside a crowded room,
not some big shot...

Hehe..that's more like it. Have you check your inbox. I'm still waiting.

good monkey... have a banana?






you.... have changed.....
something happened to you? (concerned)

not that I will miss the old you....

You'll be a BIG shot one day. Time will tell. Hopefully we all will be.....hmmmm

just wait. you should get your money, seeing by SwissCash's previous track record
it can take up to 2 weeks from approval to get money into your bank account.
happened to me before.

just wait.
worrying and speculating won't help.
have a beer!




Thanks! Now everyone knows I am putting on weight

Thanks for your peaceful word..hope it comes to past. will spend some for beer.:-)

get u msg.I'll PM MahSuYaChen later.Inform me if you have any updates.

Ok. I'll update when I receive my OMT.

Have a nice day.

Every thing is under control. Solution to access SC account has been found.

Thanks to intelligent guys who provide the ultimate solution for MY investors.

Hi, everybody. I received my e-points in my SC MY account today.

hope your OMT is smooth

Thanks......

Symbol
EMF Buy
1.62 Sell
1.58 Change
+0.01 Today High
1.62 Today Low
1.60 Symbol
ACF Buy
1.56 Sell
1.54 Change
+0.02 Today High
1.56 Today Low
1.54 Time
16:02:18 Refresh

I dont know, maybe they are job less?

hi guys, have not posted in here for long, hope all has been well. darn busy nowadays. anyway do have faith with the company, all will be well. good day.

and welcome back nthdimensions, can see u are leading a real cool life. me waiting for my vaio as well haha

and serene became a male. husband taking over duties i suppose. spamming skills are a good replication of past performance.

yes good, but what other investor from xxxx which no e-point but money in ACF share, can u negotiate with SC admin about, we can't do anything because all our money lock in share ACF and until that i can't join sip25, plz advice

My friend got OMT funds as an international bank wire that was deposited into a bank savings account in the USA. It took fifteen (15) days from the date of the withdrawal request to the date of the wire deposit. The amount of the wire deposit was less than the amount of e-points withdrawn, probably because of fees for the international bank wire.

Hi bro!
8th month liao, so far so good

like I said before, health is wealth
must take care of body to go the distance



yes, in countries without Dealers,
TT is the only way.

the best deal for investors (ie, we get more cash back into our bank account) is to be encashed by Dealers,
then there isn't those TT transaction fees, agent fees, etc.

May the SwissCash Directors / Leaders of Asia re-inforce the following issues to
SwissCash brainstorming committee for serious consideration and implementation:-
(1) Swiss Ticketing System - many valid emails from investors receive no reply!
(2) MY IDs login blocked - Just one SwissCash news update so far after the website is blocked
is not encouraging. Investors need more assurance! Therefore, silence is no more golden!
(3) Some OMTs take long time. Some investors complaining of sending 3 or 4 email enquiries
to SwissCash(SC) but no reply.
(4) Suggestion to have future Swiss global e-bulletin (different from news update) which can be
incorporated into our e-account section to include member sharing, testimonies, photos, SC
e-business guidance, news activities, personal development, leadership, international friendship
conference/gathering/tour, tips for daily living, family/computer/investment education, etc. All
these can be contributed by members world-wide to SC editorial & publication dept (if any) for
approval. This future e-bulletin can make our SC global family more interesting and exciting!
(5) To email news updates to all investors if login is not accessible to time indefinite.

NOTE: This is only my proposal and suggestion. Hope it will find its way to the SC top management.