I am admin of a doubler that hasn't been launched yet. My partner and I are are carefully planning all variables involved to make it long term.

We have been working on building relationships with owners of active downlines, designing a flexible marketing plan that allows interventions for different scenarios, and creating outside sources of income.

Cycle times are not fixed, but won't be "natural" during the first few days. By natural we mean not holding cycle times intentionally during the first few hours/days. We feel allowing this cycling speed is the fastest way to a fast death, as members usually stop being supportive when cycle times increase.

We intend cycle times to be in the 15 days area for the first few cycles, and then slowly and steadily increase them until we can settle in the 60 days range.

So 1) planned growth, 2)outside sources of income, and 3)flexible cycle times are the fundamentals of our program.

At this stage we are testing the idea and we would like this active community to give us feedback on the outline of our program.

We are aware that there has been a saturation in the doublers market for a few months already. We think, however, that this is due to a lack of good programs out there and an oversaturation of scammers that took advantage of the popularity of doublers.

Any thoughts you might want to share?

Regards,
Jason

So you mean a new PIN ?

My bank account could use one

PIN is one of the biggest and most serious programs out there. I don't think people are looking for another PIN because it hasn't gone anywhere.

I'd be lying though if I said that the success of that program didn't inspire us.

PIN was born when doublers were high in popularity, and that is not the case anymore. So circumstances have changed and they don't make it any easier.

Jason

If you're going to start something then knocking one of the better programs out there isn't going to help. All programs slow down at some point but that doesn't erase what has happened.

It was not my intention to criticize it. Quite the opposite actually. It's probably the most succesful program on line.

Jason

EDIT: Re-reading my post, I think I understand yours now. Excuse the misunderstanding. When I said: "because it hasn't gone anywhere" I meant that it's still functioning well and available for members to invest and generate residual income. Sure it has slowed down but that doesn't erase the fact that it was and it is a huge success.

First of all I wouldnt tell the members something like "settle in the 60 day range"....a doubler is basically a monster and the older it gets the more u gotta feed the beast, thus the reason why people hit n run them.

Are u planning a position based doubler? IE. $10, $20, $40, $80 etc or will u have a min/max spend? Alot of different variables come into play with a doubler. From reading your post it seems you just scratched the surface of actually running a succesfull one. I know that as of right now I wouldnt JOIN..... I am waiting on NUKS (HINT HINT HINT).....

I think we need a little action around here and a doubler that lasted a while might be nice. But start it with Doubling two to five day's and gradually work your way up to fifteen.

Patience young Jedi

I don't think doublers as a whole are dead myself, but the days of people joining one that is only going to cycle many positions for a day or two and are run by dumbasses ARE likely over. I don't think there are enough newbies out there to push a poorly-conceived doubler run by some fool without a clue and a pirated script.

Getting back to this particular doubler, the only way I see downline clubs helping instead of killing a doubler is if the admin of said doubler has a way to control/place the timing of the downline club. If 500 people join in one or two days(and actually spend, which most downline clubs do NOT), what happens in the future when all those positions the 500 bought are to be cycled at the same time? MAJOR stall and likely death.

NUK

Because everyone of them is a SCAM and people are done with being ripped off.

I glad I opened this thread, some good points here.

Kenny: we are still not sure whether positions will have a preset value or we are just going to have min and max spends. My partner and I tend to diagree on this one so we are still in deciding mode about this.

I am aware I only scratched the surface in this thread. I wasn't meaning to describe the full scope and details of our plans yet, but just a brief outline to get some feedback from investors/players.

NUK: very true what you say about downline clubs. That's the main reason we didn't launch yet. It's a tricky one. At one point we considered a semi-private launch that we would aim to control by targeting different clubs at different points in time. Decided against it however since most likely members arriving late would feel they were missing out and avoid playin the game for first members.

There are variables we can control though to manage growth: daily cap and anticyclical marketing tactics being two of our main weapons we intend to use.

Cashbig: people are scared of scammers and they have every right to be. That's why we like doublers and prefer to avoid hyips. Most hyips pretend not to be cyclers and doublers are honest about their nature and what they are. We don't like lying to members.

People please feel free to keep commenting, and criticizing if you feel like it. We are keen on listening to more feedback.

Jason

One big advantage HYIPs have over doublers is how most hyips trickle the payments out instead of one big lump-sum like a 200% doubler. This gives people the impression that the hyip is going strong when it has paid for 30 days in a row without fail. Of course, if that hyip is only paying 2% a day, all that means is that no member is in profit yet because that's only 60% returned so far.

A lot of people don't realize the above because, well, they're stupid. A hyip is a doubler with the payments broken down into smaller sizes to generate excitement. Some hyips use the ultimate sucker-trap of COMPOUNDING that makes members not withdraw earnings as much so the Admin has even more time and money to keep making payments.

NUK

Yes.

Some doublers reduce the impact of this by making each cycle pay less than 200%. Anything from 10% to 90%. Maybe we are not talking anymore about a "doubler" because it won't double the money in one cycle.

Re your comment about people joining all together, I forgot to mention a third tactic we may be implementing is having a cap investment per member, but only allowing him/her to use up to 25% of it per cycle period (whatever current cycle time is). So let's say max is 10K, members would only be able to spend $2500 every 15 days (15 days: cycle times at the beginning of the program.)

We are also looking at the % of each cycle. We may not go all the way up to 200% each cycle as that doesn't seem to be what the market is going for at the moment.

We don't think that including an MLM component and making a so called "hybrid" is the answer to the problems. MLMs and Doublers have basically different target markets as we understand it although there is definitely a crossover between them. Experience has recently showed that it doesn't amount for the stability or longevity of the program to design it this way, although of course it helps create a lot of hype and false assumptions during initial growth periods. The initial explosion of the cycler component + the apparent stability of the MLM aspect of it make it look like an unbeatable formula until cycle times slow down and everyone realizes that "it was just another doubler". Basically these programs are joined by Doubler players interested in the cycler and not joined by MLM heavy hitters who prefer to recruit for other more stable and trusted MLM companies (and ideally selling some useful product.)

These are the fundamentals we are working on: flexible and anticyclical marketing, outside sources of income, managed growth, and being able to control cycle times while keeping members confidence alive.

Jason

Po po po PureTradeEngine I miss my 5 thousand already lol. I think the past serious of flops,closed and scam doublers just might have something to do with the downfall of doublers. I find it hard to trust em now. MassiveLine only when it first opens after that, forget it.

other key factors come into play:

referal commision
admin profit %
Thinking of setting up outside sources of income?
w/d fees?
etc etc

Its one big accounting puzzle running a doubler....

Yeh but heres the thing, people could invest in hyips or some other crap people invest in doublers to get their money quicker, and without a constent flow of investors, the doubler will fail. Thats how Pure Trade Engine worked for as long as it did and failed the way it did. That thing had 50k invested in it, thats pretty good for a doubler if you ask me .

Yes, PTEs stats were quite impressive..

Yes all that