QUOTE(cristofer50 @ May 6 2006, 06:20 AM) [snapback]2052760[/snapback]
let cahira tell us the truth about this todd person in a few moments.
I am confused. WHo's todd? what is he gotta do with our money?
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let cahira tell us the truth about this todd person in a few moments. I am confused. WHo's todd? what is he gotta do with our money? QUOTE(stevenang @ May 5 2006, 02:19 PM) [snapback]2052754[/snapback] ULTIMATELY ARE WE GETTING OUR MONEY BACK?? This is the answer we wanna have.  I believe there are trying there best QUOTE(futurewealthy @ May 6 2006, 06:05 AM) [snapback]2052674[/snapback] Why would Terra's 'family' hand over $60 to someone who is not owed that much. And please don't use the excuse 'because they don't understand this business.' That isn't an excuse to pay someone more money than they are owed! Well, I think it would be easier to picture this by putting yourself in the family's shoes.. If it was your own sister and single parent with a child, threatened by this guy in the same country wanting to bring your sister to jail. Besides the anger of the mess she made, you would not have the best of mind to think/ calculate the figures when surfposter may have said anything in his threats.. His main concern was to get her off the hook.. Of course, this example would only be applicable to a close-knitted family.. QUOTE(purplecity @ May 6 2006, 06:21 AM) [snapback]2052770[/snapback] I believe there are trying there best Who is trying? Terra ?? or Todd?? QUOTE(Cahira-eire @ May 6 2006, 06:15 AM) [snapback]2052735[/snapback] TheThe truth is coming out!! please stop the death threats for TODD Please wait up for a minute or two Cahira Oh no, it seems like there is another twist as to why Todd did it... Geezzz.. QUOTE(Hope38 @ May 5 2006, 02:23 PM) [snapback]2052777[/snapback] Well, I think it would be easier to picture this by putting yourself in the family's shoes.. If it was your own sister and single parent with a child, threatened by this guy in the same country wanting to bring your sister to jail. Besides the anger of the mess she made, you would not have the best of mind to think/ calculate the figures when surfposter may have said anything in his threats.. His main concern was to get her off the hook.. Of course, this example would only be applicable to a close-knitted family.. With the best will in the world - I think that's utter nonsense. QUOTE(stevenang @ May 6 2006, 06:24 AM) [snapback]2052782[/snapback] Who is trying? Terra ?? or Todd?? Terra's family are trying their best.
Well I have to say, that whoever is giving any kind of threaten death posts to anyone, no matter what kind of scammer one is, it shows a primitve gesture and not better then scammer itself!
QUOTE(Cahira-eire @ May 5 2006, 11:15 PM) [snapback]2052735[/snapback] TheThe truth is coming out!! please stop the death threats for TODD Please wait up for a minute or two Cahira God, what else will it be??!!! This is begining to sound like a mexican soap opera... I don't eve know if I want to  or 
QUOTE(Hope38 @ May 6 2006, 06:27 AM) [snapback]2052801[/snapback] Terra's family are trying their best. I AM LAUGHING WHAT!???????????????????????????????????? SHE SCAMMED US AND NOW TRYING? ;( QUOTE(danvil @ May 6 2006, 12:27 AM) [snapback]2052804[/snapback] God, what else will it be??!!! This is begining to sound like a mexican soap opera... I don't eve know if I want to or LOL well at least the end is always happy in this soap operas
QUOTE(futurewealthy @ May 6 2006, 06:26 AM) [snapback]2052796[/snapback] With the best will in the world - I think that's utter nonsense. Well, think what you may but no one knows until they are really hit by a real incident.. QUOTE(Netty @ May 5 2006, 11:27 PM) [snapback]2052803[/snapback] Well I have to say, that whoever is giving any kind of threaten death posts to anyone, no matter what kind of scammer one is, it shows a primitve gesture and not better then scammer itself! Well, and I speak for myself, I wouldn't kill him, just break him an arm or a leg... QUOTE(stevenang @ May 5 2006, 03:28 PM) [snapback]2052807[/snapback] I AM LAUGHING WHAT!???????????????????????????????????? SHE SCAMMED US AND NOW TRYING? ;( Steve you really need to take a few minutes and read the last few pages. QUOTE(Cahira-eire @ May 6 2006, 12:15 AM) [snapback]2052735[/snapback] TheThe truth is coming out!! please stop the death threats for TODD Please wait up for a minute or two Cahira Cahira, could you please speed up a bit... I so urgently need some sleep, please give me some great news, so I can slip to dreamland then 
QUOTE(got_jewels @ May 6 2006, 06:30 AM) [snapback]2052822[/snapback] Steve you really need to take a few minutes and read the last few pages. Well, I read back from page 1565 or so..
I have been watching this saga all day and not able to post anything from work. This is like one of my soap opera's. Todd stole all the money for himself - WTF. I never agreed with any threats of violence - just was hoping Terra would make it right and now this Todd threatens her family and scams all us other members. UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!!!
QUOTE(Princessmoney @ May 6 2006, 12:33 AM) [snapback]2052829[/snapback] I have been watching this saga all day and not able to post anything from work. This is like one of my soap opera's. Todd stole all the money for himself - WTF. I never agreed with any threats of violence - just was hoping Terra would make it right and now this Todd threatens her family and scams all us other members. UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!!! LOL yep... let us think of possible scenario... now Todd`s aunt should show up, and he should find out he is brother of terra? I should stop watch TV
Cahira, please enlight us.... hummm enlight, that remind us of someone doesn't it...
So, according to the other e-mail their is still about 40k in refunds left right?
LOL Netty - maybe next one of us are related to Terra - just kidding...
QUOTE(Netty @ May 6 2006, 06:36 AM) [snapback]2052843[/snapback] LOL yep... let us think of possible scenario... now Todd`s aunt should show up, and he should find out he is brother of terra? I should stop watch TV I think Todd would come up with reasons why he did it.. Maybe his wife threatened him again..
This is what I received from Trevor this morning-
we have sent alot to the exchangers and our family is starting to crack . Our family has been ruined by this ( or will be ) because of all the money we have to pay to keep terra out of jail. All the money she has is paid into the exchangers, and we are using personnel money now to pay people. Can you answer me, why is so much owed ? Terra took out about $100,000 over the life of the thing, and it is all paid back to people. I guess some people made alot and got out and some people lost. When you get paid please get out of these things.....they are stupid, and it is really sad people spent money they could not afford to lose. Pure greed. It appears to me that they are trying to make this right. IT is true that Terra participated with her ex (James Cotton)in to other programs that ended suddenly with no refunds, tales of hacked accounts and then a totally stop of communiction. The same pattern appeared to be happening here. On the other hand Terra has said it got to big for her, that there were big investors who pulled everything and didnt re-invest but claimed they did after she announced her move. The thing is none of us but Terra knows what was in her heart when she started this and what her intentions were or were not at the end. Her failure to communicate at all, was probably one of her biggest mistakes. Her family is trying to do whats right here and get people refunded. The only rigth thing to do is to pay those at a loss. Which brings me to Todd Wootten. In the beginning of our emails he said he wished a thug would jsut go over there and make her transfer the money to his account. It sounds like what he did amounts to the same thing. He did talk with a family member on the phone after sending them threatening emails. It was Trevor most likely. According to an email I received from Todd, the family confirmed they had taken over and were trying to do the refunds. Todd asked us to hold off because he believed they were going to payout. What Todd NEVER even hinted at, was that he was going to coerce such a large amount of profit out of them I have asked Terra or the family to call me, but I dont blame them for not doing so. I can only imagine how Todd must of threatened them and probably with violence. Remember that Terra does have little child. I believe now that the family is doing what they can to make this right, but the apparently selfish and despicable actions of Todd has made that even more difficult. We are now looking into Todd and what he has done. I know that Alertpay may help as it was there information and the threat of them that Todd used to pull this off. Those of you with an account with Alertpay (got_jewels perhaps?) may be able to contact Alertpay about this. Cahira Here is one of the emails I received from Surf Poster. It pisses me off that I help him. I would normaly keep this pm private but what he has done I really dont care. and there is a PH # if you feel like contacting him. I would like to chat with you. i grew up in Gimli Manitoba and only became confident to throw allot of money in the program after having a few conversations with Terra and being convinced that she actually is who she is. We talked about Winnipeg Beach, the changes to the area etc. and I was convinced. I am down more than $10,000 in this program as I put everything back in. I was planning to start withdrawing some of the principal this weekk -had I been one week earlier I would have been fine. I am in ontario now-Newmarket to be exact Editand i would be willing to drive out to Manitoba to get my money as well. One part of me wants to get the RCMP involved and the other part of me wants to get a group of people together, storm her place by force and force her to transfer all of her egold to us. Then we can keep a good chunk for ourselves and attempt to repay others or start our own program for those that lost. i would feel justified and good about it. i understand that this is a ponzi but they run out when they run out. When an admin lies about dsl,that she will catch up etc and then runs-it is pure scam right from the beginning. I do hope that she contacts us and that we are wrong but if not, I have alot to lose and alot to gain. I'd come out. In fact, we need to place a properly worded post out there for all of those in Northern US (near Manitoba),Ontarians,Manitobans and those from Saskatchewan or Alberta)-get our own talk started and figure out a properly palced plan. we need to do this soon. Please tell me your thoughts. I am so sick and tired of being scammed-foirst Stormpay and now this!!! EDIT This number is dead on correct. Give him a ring. Don't threaten him please. Just make your case clear that something will be done about this if he doesn't pony up the money he extorted from terra. in other words, ALL OF OUR MONEY HE EXTORTED FROM US I'm calling ALertPay as we speak. here is another PM that he sent which made me believe he would do the right thing Please email any posts or copies of info that you have so taht I can forward to the RCMP fraud division. I will have the contact info soon,.My wife is on a conference call that is more than two hours long and as soon as she finishes, I will call them and then post. Any of this hard documentation will help. Time is of the essence here. We can't wait. EDIT. North Dakota is closer to Manitoba than where I am here in Ontario isn't Severala topics covered in this post - Several of us have called Todds nubmer and left messages. Todd even answerd once and said "Todd here" so we know hat he is aware of the situation here but he has not tried to refute it. Just heard from Trevor. He confirms they sent 60K. People are continuing to threaten vilence and try to blackmail these people. This has got to STOP. They are even considering contacting the police themselves for Terras safety. He has promised to keep us updated. One memeber here told me they have spreadsheets that help to prove that Todds lose is what Todd told me 4500. I need confirmation of this. I am exhausted. Please anyone with info on that please help. Cahirait? I have about a 20 hour drive to get there. AND NO WE WAIT FOR CAHIRA TO POST ABOUT WHAT SHE TALKED ABOUT WITH TODD
maybe cahira is in on this too and thats why she signed off when she told us she had more news
 
Who cares if his wife threatened him - it is just plain WRONG. And then not to contact anyone after he has the money - PLEASE. Not good.
Whoa...this is getting crazy.
  I just read all these pages from last night and I am shocked at the stuff that has been exposed. This is getting out of control. And yes people STOP with all the threats...that is just uncalled for!!
I don't know what is happening around. I can only see that people aren't so honest as I thought.
I just want to get my money back. Even not all of it. I will be really happy if I get 2/3 or even 1/2 of it. And I have to say this wasn't a big amount. But for me - it's quite lot. QUOTE(Cahira-eire @ May 5 2006, 11:15 PM) [snapback]2052735[/snapback] TheThe truth is coming out!! please stop the death threats for TODD Please wait up for a minute or two Cahira The two minutes seem to take ages, like when we want to see the ending of an episode on TV and the commercials take ages... Cahira, please finish the commercials and let us see the end of the episode...
QUOTE(kg178 @ May 6 2006, 06:38 AM) [snapback]2052856[/snapback] So, according to the other e-mail their is still about 40k in refunds left right? Yeah about there but the $60k was a direct deposit into Todd's account so no exchanging to egold needed. The rest is still in the midst of being transferred to egold account from western union if I am not mistakened.
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Edited---Rush to judgement
Yeah I stupidly put in 2,000 for my first spend - I would also be happy to get anything back at this point along with everyone else in here.
QUOTE(matratzac @ May 5 2006, 11:41 PM) [snapback]2052876[/snapback] maybe cahira is in on this too and thats why she signed off when she told us she had more news ffs she hasnt signed off shes on phone QUOTE(Hope38 @ May 6 2006, 12:40 AM) [snapback]2052869[/snapback] I think Todd would come up with reasons why he did it.. Maybe his wife threatened him again.. well something doesn`t go together... How could guy, who is so dead scared of his own wife, do such a dirty thing, he did? well many guys would just take opportunity to get rid of wife and invest even more, to be sure she will really leave him gosh I really need some sleep.... Cahira... where are news??
I live in Winnipeg and I had a small spend in.
I'm going to start watching our local news closely to see how far this has been taken. Ugh................
Folks please be patient here Cahira is doing her best ok
QUOTE(Aqua Marine @ May 5 2006, 02:45 PM) [snapback]2052907[/snapback] ffs she hasnt signed off shes on phone i joke i joke 
QUOTE(matratzac @ May 6 2006, 06:41 AM) [snapback]2052876[/snapback] maybe cahira is in on this too and thats why she signed off when she told us she had more news Cahira did not sign off. She is probably reading her PM coz' she is still reflected as online on the main page of MMG. QUOTE(matratzac @ May 5 2006, 11:47 PM) [snapback]2052920[/snapback] i joke i joke and im tired, ive only had a few hours sleep over the past week QUOTE(pamelasue @ May 5 2006, 01:40 PM) [snapback]2052235[/snapback] Do you not read the TOS on every one of these sites. Earnings are not guaranteed. I have never seen ONE that does not make that kind of statement, trying to cover their ass if nothing else! I have lost money in more than 30 hyips this year and have never gotten one red cent back from any of them. That is the risk that you take. Be careful in the future, because you will probably not get lucky enough again to have a chance of seeing any money back! I can respect the TOS, and I can even respect the reality that ponzis run out of money, but it would be nice just for once if an admin had the balls to come out and said "sorry, folks, the party's over, no more money," instead of the BS excuses which only gives people the run around and false hopes... I know they'd still get crucified in their own thread, but I'd respect them alot more QUOTE(matratzac @ May 5 2006, 02:41 PM) [snapback]2052876[/snapback] maybe cahira is in on this too and thats why she signed off when she told us she had more news  You are way out of line with that one! She along with Aqua Marine and Cagney have busted their a$$ on this. Maybe you think that Aqua Marine and Cagney are in on it as well.
What I can't get is this Todd guy has had money and did not contact Aqua, Cagney or Cahira and let them know anything. I think he is giving Cahira a load of ****. I think he was hoping no one would look for him and he was going to just disappear.
QUOTE(Netty @ May 6 2006, 06:46 AM) [snapback]2052912[/snapback] well something doesn`t go together... How could guy, who is so dead scared of his own wife, do such a dirty thing, he did? well many guys would just take opportunity to get rid of wife and invest even more, to be sure she will really leave him gosh I really need some sleep.... Cahira... where are news?? Mmm well, beauty lies in the eyes of beholder or he simply adores her for whatever reasons.. Anyway, I guess we should not guess anymore since Cahira will keep us informed, just in case Todd is "innocent".
I juz want my money back....I am so pissed now. I will be reporting this to ABC news and getting the local authoruty in on this.
Todd is signed up with bell canada as his phone company. Thats all i got. lol
QUOTE(justdoit @ May 5 2006, 02:49 PM) [snapback]2052929[/snapback] You are way out of line with that one! She along with Aqua Marine and Cagney have busted their a$$ on this. Maybe you think that Aqua Marine and Cagney are in on it as well. RELAX GIRL it was a joke! i was obviously saying somethign WAYYYY unlikely just to show how crazy its been. jeez u stormysurfers bite!
What a load of BS! now im supposed to belive that our money was sent to this Todd guy? Yeah sure.....
Who in their right mind would give this guy 60k?!! This is BS! contact the police and send her to jail! Or se pays us, or she goes down, its that simple..... And if she paid 60k to that moron for no reason what so ever she should go down too.... but i dont belive that story one bit. Just the usual cover up BS, hackers, now she sent it to someone else... I dont think we are gona get paid, time to take some action. 
Cahira is posting
Please give me jsut a little bit more time here. I will post an update in half hour. I ahve spoken with Todd and
this just gets worse and worse. Please leave Todd alone till I can get the informatin out. Its not what it seems Cahira QUOTE(stevenang @ May 6 2006, 12:52 AM) [snapback]2052943[/snapback] I juz want my money back....I am so pissed now. I will be reporting this to ABC news and getting the local authoruty in on this. LOL that would be something smart.. and we all know how ABC is neutral in reporting and helping in solving things out QUOTE(Netty @ May 5 2006, 02:56 PM) [snapback]2052972[/snapback] LOL that would be something smart.. and we all know how ABC is neutral in reporting and helping in solving things out yea really. steve, just relax on this. ur panicking with wiredsurf too. take a chill pill. its cinco de mayo, go have a corona 
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