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realist
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College leaders hope to renew debate on a lower drinking age

The current limit ignores the reality of drinking on campus and pushes it underground, they say. Opponents say a rollback to age 18 would reverse declines in teen drunk driving.

As college students gear up for annual back-to-school parties, a group of university and college presidents in California and across the country this week pushed for a national debate over whether the drinking age should be lowered from 21 to 18.

The current limit ignores the reality of drinking during college years and drives it underground, making binge drinking more dangerous and students less likely to seek help in an emergency, according to a petition signed by more than 100 campus presidents. Though they don't call for an outright age rollback, the campus chiefs said they support "an informed and dispassionate public debate over the effects of the 21-year-old drinking age."

Their statement provoked some controversy as critics contend that a lower drinking age will cause an increase in drunk driving deaths.

In California, the heads of Occidental, Pomona and Whittier colleges signed the petition, along with leaders of Dartmouth, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Mount Holyoke, Tufts and many small liberal arts colleges elsewhere in the country.

Pomona President David W. Oxtoby said colleges now were in the difficult position of having to enforce the underage ban but also to encourage moderation and offer advice to students who might want to help a drunken friend. Schools, he added, can't sponsor events at which students might emulate responsible and controlled drinking, such as campus faculty receptions, where wine is served.

The result, he said, is that too many students wind up drinking by themselves in their rooms, "and that is the most common place they get seriously ill," Oxtoby said.

Whittier College President Sharon Herzberger and Occidental's Robert Skotheim said they signed the petition to encourage discussion, but said they had not decided whether the drinking age should be 18. "It's time we look at the issue afresh and see whether there are better solutions than we currently have in place because, after all, we haven't solved the problem," Herzberger said.



http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/c...0,1651220.story

Have your say. What do you think about the current drinking age in the U.S?

Vote in our poll, and if you think it should be changed, lower - or even higher - tell us what age you think it should be.
iZero
As I understand it, in America you can be conscripted into the armed forces before you can legally consume alcohol and you legally become an adult at age 18. So they way I see it they should either lower the legal drinking age or raise the age teens are classed as adults.
ChrisMono
yeh blatantly.. better to learn from experience the affects drinking can have on you so you know your limits. at 21, get drunk, get in a fight to jail. In the uk drinking for youths normally starts at around 15/16 so not really much drawbacks to mistakes you will inevitablly make whilst intoxicated.
realist
We`ve had some opinions posted, yet only ONE vote so far.
realist
Universities exist to improve lives. Faculty, administrators and staff devote their careers to helping people - many of them young people - to fulfill their promise.

Nothing is more difficult for us to bear than the loss of a student, cut down in his or her prime because of an accident, illness or poor choice. And we know, from years of experience, that one major path toward making poor choices is excessive consumption of alcohol.

Yes, college is an important time to learn lessons not only about history, science, literature and art, but about life. There simply are some lessons that 18-to-20-year-olds - away from home and parental supervision for the first time in their lives - simply should not have to master: accompanying a classmate to the ER for treatment of an alcohol overdose; waking to a partner in bed and no recollection of what transpired there; grieving for a friend killed in an auto accident where alcohol was involved.

If our nation reduces the drinking age from 21 to 18, as a coalition of university leaders has proposed, we will turn our campuses into the wrong kind of learning labs. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says that since 1975, laws setting the drinking age at 21 have cut traffic fatalities among 18-to-20-year-old drivers by 13 percent, saving an estimated 19,121 lives. That is a huge number of promising lives that could be cut short by lowering the drinking age - a little more than twice the number of new freshmen at S.F. State and Cal Berkeley this year.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates lowering the drinking age to 18 will increase fatalities by 10 percent. The American Medical Association reports that the brains of adolescents are so vulnerable that even short-term or moderate drinking can impair memory, learning, information recall and socialization - some of the very reasons for which we send our youth to college.

We take a strong stand against underage drinking at S.F. State, as do all 23 campuses in the California State University system. Our trustees adopted a comprehensive alcohol policy in 2001 that applies to students of all ages. It is considered the most comprehensive alcohol policy of any university system in the country - and it works.

Since the policy was adopted, campuses report a decrease in students driving after consuming alcohol and DUIs; fewer incidents of alcohol-related misconduct; reduced underage drinking and reduced binge drinking.

Here at S.F. State, all incoming first-year students participate in mandatory alcohol-education training that prepares them to make well-informed decisions about alcohol. Our campus health service has an active, multifaceted alcohol-education program that teaches students about alcohol and other drugs, provides support services for all students grappling with substance related problems and offers assessment, counseling and referrals. Our University Police Department actively patrols not just the campus, but surrounding neighborhoods to enforce legal behavior and neighborly parties.

Despite our efforts, and a drinking age of 21, we still have occasions where students drink excessively and make dangerous choices. Consider that half of the sexual assaults reported on our campus last year involved excessive alcohol consumption by victims under 21. Consider that we still witness alcohol overdoses, still break up parties where legal IDs are in short supply, still catch an occasional driver who can't pass one of college's most important tests - a sobriety test. A change in federal law that enlarges the pool of college students who can legally drink simply won't help.

Let's keep our young people focused on fulfilling their great personal promise. Keep the drinking age at 21, and give our youth the time and support needed to learn about life, social norms and keeping alcohol in perspective.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?.../ED5V12JHGR.DTL
kedwards78
I haven't quite made up my mind on the topic. On one hand you can join the military and go fight for your country at 18, but can't drink until you are 21. I believe that if you are old enough to make the decision about joining the military then you should be able to drink as well.

However, in my opinion, most people that drink are irresponsible with it. Too many take it to the extreme and I've seen that from teenagers to people getting ready to retire. In order to be an adult you need to be able to make responsible decisions and if you can't drink responsibly at 18 then the age needs to stay where it is.
realist
Since this discussion is bound to touch on other topics where age is involved, it beats me that in the US children are allowed in some states to drive at the age of just 14 or 15! ohmy.gif

In the UK the majority of accidents are caused by young drivers between 17 (the legal minimum) and early 20`s, so I`d hate to think about the accidents caused in the US by young drivers, particularly males, trying to impress. doh.gif
tock
May be if Abama will become a president. rolleyes.gif
mlm1987
I think that most would agree that it sometimes can be a drag driving your kids around. Both my son and daughter cound'nt wait to get their license, and so far (at least for the last 3 years) both of them have been very responsible drivers. (when I am a passenger in their cars) I say leave it where it is at.
tock
QUOTE (mlm1987 @ Sep 14 2008, 01:39 AM) *
I think that most would agree that it sometimes can be a drag driving your kids around. Both my son and daughter cound'nt wait to get their license, and so far (at least for the last 3 years) both of them have been very responsible drivers. (when I am a passenger in their cars) I say leave it where it is at.

The more driving kids will be on the roads, the more autocrushes we`ll get there.
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zeum
QUOTE (tock @ Sep 14 2008, 02:50 AM) *
The more driving kids will be on the roads, the more autocrushes we`ll get there.
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Statistics is a obstinate thing. This fact is a truth. doh.gif
rachelclark91
QUOTE (ChrisMono @ Aug 21 2008, 12:24 AM) *
yeh blatantly.. better to learn from experience the affects drinking can have on you so you know your limits. at 21, get drunk, get in a fight to jail. In the uk drinking for youths normally starts at around 15/16 so not really much drawbacks to mistakes you will inevitablly make whilst intoxicated.



In the uk they are actually thinking about putting the age up to 21 like in the US.
I think this should be the limit.
Either way no one ever sticks to the law.
Personally i started drinking at the age of 13 then matured and at the age of 16 realised it aint all its cracked up to be!

By them putting it up id say people wouldnt try untill they are 17 -18
What ever the age limit people always start a few years younger.

So in my opinion i totally agree with americas drinking age!!
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