Plans
We offer 2 stock options
Preferred (Will carry voting rights)
Non-Preferred (Will not carry voting rights)

Preferred stock purchase prices.
Shares available: 1,996 (SEE WEB SITE)
Max: No max but $5K per ea. Share.
Minimum: $625 for 1/8 share.
Non-Preferred stock purchase prices.
Shares available: 9,999,980 (SEE WEB SITE)
Max: $100K, $1K per ea. share.
Min: $125 for 1/8 share.

Regular payment plans
Investing $1K or more – repaid principal within 90 days. Then you are given the option to receive dividends or reinvest dividends into more company shares.
Investing less than $1K – repaid principal within 90 days. After that your dividends are automatically reinvested until you own 1 share. Then you are given the option to receive dividends or reinvest dividends into more company shares.

SPECIAL OFFER: Repayment plan
This is also not on the web site. However, to encourage faster growth. I have created the following repayment plan for the first 10 participants/owners/stock holders whom buy 1 share or more. (Note: spend $1K or more) After those 10 people join, everyone else will have to wait the standard 90 days to receive their principal.
Within the 1st 25 trade days/35 regular days you will receive a 20% draw of your principal.
Within the 1st 45 trade days/65 regular days you will receive another 30% draw of your principal.
Within the 1st 65 trade days/90 regular days you will receive the remaining 50% of your principal.
NOTE: You will still be invested but this is the quickest way to build reputation and pay really nice returns. After, everyone has received their principal they will only receive quarterly dividend payments. Unless they sell their stock ownership to the company or another owner.

SPECIAL NOTE: No members/owners/stock holders are nor will be encouraged to reinvest their principal. Despite growth expectations and earnings we highly encourage owners/stock holders to keep their principal once it is received.

Processors: Depositing capital
Paypal (Preferred)
Bank wire
Cash Bank deposits
No scam e-currencies, we are real and are not hiding.
All deposits are required to pay a $50.00 transaction/processing fee.

SPECIAL OFFER: Deposit option
The next 9 members/owners/stock holders only need to pay a $25.00 transaction/processing fee instead of the standard $50.00.

PROGRAM DETAILS
We the members/owners/stock holders in this are going to form a company together.
Note the company is not yet formed. We are ready to start accepting capital for operations and organization.

We are asking for company name suggestions. Our online name will remain ECO/Commgnc.

After all owners/stock holders have had their principal restored a board of directors will be elected by the people. Each board member will be required to be a holder of company shares.

How the company will make money. The company will invest into passive income opportunities per the instructions of the board of directors. This may include other companies, angel investment companies, private investment companies, Forex, Futures, Real Estate etc. ABSOLUTELY THE COMPANY WILL NOT INVEST INTO ANY HYIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The CEO/CFO will have signature authorization on the company bank account. Once principal is restored. The company account will be established at BOA “Bank of Amer***”. The company will be registered with the Secretary of State in XX. Prefer NV, WY but will be authorized to do business in the location of the CFO. Voters choice.

It is going to require a minimum of $500.00 to set up the company, or we can buy a shelf company for $1K - $2K. Voter Choice.

Very Important: I do not want the real Company name, My real name nor the real name of any other board members/owners/stock holders posted in open forum. Why, because I do not want any bank to google us and red flag our company nor it's owners.
However, if you email me or PM me I will give you my real name. Don’t ask for the company name because it has not yet been formed.

If you wish to remain protected then I will issue you one of the following or both U.S IRS forms. Per your request.
Form 8308 Report of a Sale or Exchange of Certain Partnership Interests
Form 8300 Report of Cash payments over $10K received in a Trade or Business (Required for amounts of $10K or more if all in 1 single transaction.)

At this time I need a CEO. Undecided but in the future we may need a Web Designer, and Marketing director. I prefer these people to be invested. Plus they will be the start of the board members.
Prefer the CEO to have invested minimum of $5K. (Keep 10% on hand to cover expenses.)
Prefer the marketer and web designer a minimum of $1K.
(Marketer keeps 20% on hand to cover expenses, the web designer should only need to keep 10% on hand.)
I will remain the CFO and invest $20K, which essentially is already done. (My duties are simple and not really costly, however, since I'm setting up the company I will keep 20% on hand to cover administrative costs.)

CEO duties will be to assist the CFO in controlling capital once principal is restored. We will make the main financial decisions together. Until more owners come on board and the board members are elected.

Web designers duties: will be to create, publish and update our company web site. Create a back office for both board members and regular stock holders. Create an investors web page to see stock purchase options. It needs to be noted our investors will be purchasing Preferred stock for now which carries voting rights. Also, it is a NON-IPO. Take this off my hands make the site look real. PLEASE!!!

Marketer duties: will be to work with the web designer to find the best marketing tools and utilize them to ensure we have some new participation.

We are a Company INC. formed and controlled by the people.

It will be recommended that the CEO and CFO hold a minimum of 25% of the Preferred stock.
It will be recommended that other board members hold or maintain at least 5% - 10% of the Preferred stock.

Again I encourage, suggestions, comments or questions.

Remember it might be possible you can answer your own question. Why because if you own preferred stock then you have say over the control of the company. (Interesting Twist)

This is the most legal way we can do a pool of funds. Do your research if you wish. Companies can be started and created by anyone or any group. The Company does not have to be public to offer stock. It can remain private. However, a Corporation should have more than 2 owners/stock holders.

Very, Very important,
The CEO, web designer or marketer does not have to send me 100% of their invested capital. They can keep some on hand to pay for their expenses. Example, if the market wants to keep $200 on hand to cover his/her expenses to market the company that is perfectly fine with me. I just ask for receipts of expenses. Also, I need to keep the company books up to date. The amount you keep on hand must be separate from your personal funds.
It will be recommended that board members that have expenses open a BOA account. This way it will be easy to transfer funds back and forth.
Expenses can be almost anything, travel, computer upgrades, software, paper, pens, ink, copier, fax, desk ETC. the list goes on.
However, lets be realistic people, if we want to make a good solid go at this we need to keep expenses down until we start making a good solid profit.

Lets do this the right way and make things happen.

THE CATCH:
How are the first investors are rewarded?
If someone buys 1 share of preferred stock, they automatically receive 5 shares of Non-preferred. That is how they are returned their principal. They sell their Non-preferred shares instead of Preferred shares. Once all the preferred stock is purchased. At that time only Non-preferred can be purchased.

Everyone can be paid quarterly dividends. Exceptions apply to those starting with less than 1 share. (SEE ABOVE)
To receive your principal you have 3 options.
Receive a monthly draw.
Receive quarterly dividends.
Sell your stock.
A $50.00 transaction/processing fee per stock purchase/sell will apply.

Remember if filling a Sced D in the U.S the processing fee is added to your basis. Also, the $50.00 is not just benefiting the company it is benefiting you because your buying ownership.

Added, the web site still needs modifications, since the last update. I have not changed the site to address forming a company.
In addition, I may cut this off at the first 40 people. Not that we are doing anything illegal but I may want to keep that number of owners small for the simple reason I don't want the Gov. to start asking questions. I know a company can be formed and any amount of owners can own that company. Owners are free to buy and sell stock in their own company without worries about legalities. Every participant will be a partial owner.

Make sure you either post your questions here or email them to me. I may not have the ability to PM so it is not advised that you PM me at this time.

I have bought into this company. I have communicated with the CFO and done my DD to my satisfaction. I will post when I see results and when my principal is returned. Hopefully we have the start of something good here.

Thank you CKMM

This is a public statement confirming we have received your deposit.

We expect a long and bright future.

Investors/HYIP participants Beware.

We received 2 emails cut and pasted from our email to here to help people see what is going on.

Hello,My Name Chelsea Angelz
Your thread on mmg isn't very active.
Do u Need My Support? If Yes Me and 2 My friends Will Make Your topic Very Active so You can Get More Investor
Our fee is $1.5 /1day or $13 / 10 day or 30$/ 1month, We will support your site until Your site closed
Our Average Post per day its about 8-10 post
Our Yahoo messenger : Ch*****_an****@yah**.c**
don’T hestitate to Contact Us From Yahoo messenger Or Email We will Reply As Soon As Possible
we are not Scammer You can trust us

(From: r240301)
hi
As I see, your thread on mmg isnt very active.
I can help you, are you interested?
I will bring my team on your thread, and we will make it very active, in order to get more investor
what I will do :
I will invite my team on your thread, and we will make it hot
This way, every visitor will see your hyip, and will visit it
posting :
1.post in your thread (forum) 13 post/day
2.minimum post every 30minute
the fee is $3/day ,
voting : 1$ for 4 post
I will need your discretion, because just you and me will know our agreement.
we have yahoo messenger r******@yah**.c** and you will see we online more than 12 hour
just contact us or add my yahoo messengr ,but if our yahoo messenger offline you can email us
I am waiting for your answer if you are interested
Richie (r******@yah**.c**)
Best Regards,

Our response to these emails:
“Listen,

Yes, I care about how active our thread is on both MMG and Talkgold. However, we are not a scam. If I was a scam I would certainly use your service. Why, so I can grab and run.

I ask that you do not contact us/me again.

We are legit and we only want legitimate votes from actual investors and posts from people asking real questions with real interest.

Using a service such as yours to get more investors seems dishonest. Why, because it makes other investors or future investors believe we have more participants than we really do have within our company.

Think about it, how would you feel if you were investing in a program. Which you thought to be very legit and all of the sudden boom you find out all the other posts are paid for and fake. Other posts are there only to attract more interest and can be very misleading. THAT IS NOT IN OUR INTEREST. I WILL NOT TAKE PART IN TRYING TO MISLEAD ANYONE. EVEN IF IT IS WORTH $1,000,000. I DON’T CARE.

If this happened to you, you would feel like you just lost everything your whole deposit. in that program. I believe this would be very likely because most programs using your service are likely to grab and run.

We are honestly trying to run a legitimate program so we decline your offer and are going to post this message on the forum. We want the legitimate people to know what they are up against.

The only post we want to see by you or your group on our links are one of the following:
I invested. (I will publicly agree that you did or did not.)
Your admission to trying to sell us votes.

I want honest people in our program so it is possible we would not even accept your participation. Your service seems that it could be misleading to others and we want no part in that nor should any other legitimate program.”

To anyone reading this on any forum.
Because we took one step forward to trying to notify everyone of what is happening. It is possible these groups will try to sabotage our program.

Admin if you agree with my opinions that this is wrong please if at all possible do something if you can about stopping this kind of misleading posts.

I welcome real people to agree or disagree with me. I only ask you to explain why you agree or why you disagree.

What I forgot to tell them: I do not want any part in fake votes. If our participants are not voting true honest "I've been paid" then we don't want to see any votes.

Its hard to read all

I am in total agreement with the comments of the CFO of this company.
Why, because I am honest and am now a part owner of this company although a very small part!
I will not knowingly be a member or part owner of a scam program!
So you paid posters take a hike, you should easily find a place to go!

You should ask mod to move it to "non-hyip" section.

This is hyip section.

UPDATE AFTER ENDING TRADE SESSION FOR 7/18/08

First, I encourage anyone to see if the market trades where possible on the days and prices we claim to have traded. We are operating just a little below expectations of 2.5% daily but currently have a daily average of 1.489% per day. Also, it should be noted our daily average has to be below 1% daily to not obtain our goal to repay principal within 90 day's.

Date | Pair | Buy | Sell | Profit per pips
7/11 | EUR/USD | 1.5894 | 1.5935 | +41 Pips
7/14 | EUR/USD | 1.5847 | 1.5867 | +20 Pips
7/14 | EUR/USD | 1.5851 | 1.5857 | -7 Pips
7/14 | EUR/USD | 1.5847 | 1.5853 | +6 Pips
7/15 | USD/CHF | 1.0039 | 1.0025 | -14 Pips
7/15 | EUR/USD | 1.6000 | 1.6016 | +16 Pips
7/15 | USD/CHF | 1.0026 | 1.0037 | +11 Pips
7/16 | EUR/USD | 1.5890 | 1.5919 | +29 Pips
7/17 | EUR/USD | 1.5836 | 1.5852 | +16 Pips
7/17 | GBP/JPY | 211.88 | 211.58 | -30 Pips
7/17 | GBP/JPY | 211.50 | 211.74 | +24 Pips
7/18 | EUR/USD | 1.5831 | 1.5852 | +21 Pips
7/18 | EUR/USD | 1.5831 | 1.5855 | +24 Pips
7/18 | EUR/USD | 1.5824 | 1.5812 | -12 Pips
7/18 | EUR/USD | 1.5812 | 1.5824 | +12 Pips
Total profit in pips +157 Pips

Leverage 400:1, Margin used per each trade 1% - 3%, further information is for owners only.
Questions welcome

Thanks for the update!
I probably shouldn't ask this here but if you would like to trade my $85 FXDD mini with .10 cent pips you are welcome to it. Without a direct tie in or PAMM? that would mean possibly missing an open or close your account I realize.
Chuck

Thanks for the offer but I don't see how this would help. One we have to go through a bunch of paper work for me to trade your $85.00 account. Secondly, the amount is so small it would not be worth my time to trade that account nor worth yours even if I took 30% commission. Last but not least because the company's brokerage account is through I**X. I would have to take my concentration from that broker and turn it to FXDD.

Now on the other hand would I be willing to teach you how to trade so you can do it yourself yes. First lesson read "Trading in the Zone"

Either way I look at it like this give a man $10K and he lives for 2 months 4 if he's conservative. Teach a man to trade and he lives for years. To be politically correct you can place she for he.

Now if someone wanted me to trade a real account that had more like $50K - $100K and is willing to offer me 30% - 50% commission. I would consider that because then it would be worth my time. Keep in mind though I would most likely only be willing to do this for 1 - 2 months. Why, because I would take the 30% - 50% commission and put it in the company account and go back to trading for the company. Not to be greedy but it would make more sense to trade for the company and make money for the company/owners instead of trade for only one person and make money for only one person.

Fair and candid answer. I appriciate that.
I will check out "Trading in the Zone"
Thanks for the update on your trading. At least my 1/8 share will grow that you are already working with

New Updated ending Trading week 7/25/08

This weeks current daily average earnings 1.46%
Current daily average growth 1.57%

I'm not going to post our trades for the week unless someone asks. The important factor is we are having consistent growth. That is essentially all that matters.

BTW: to those of you interested it is highly possible if we get this private off line investor then we are considering taking down our website. Which means new owners will only be able to buy into the company via referral only.

What does this mean to you.
Means we may or may not be allowing any new investors via the forum or whom contact us from viewing our current website. You will have to know a current owner to buy into the company and be referred by that owner to us.

Note this is not a ploy to get a bunch of investors. Either your interested or not. If not then stop reading this post. If you are interested then buy into the company now before we close the doors to the online community. If you say to yourself, this guy is full of crap. Fine, go else where and give your money to some HYIP that is going to run.

Wish you all the best of luck.

Very very very cheap website from who try to persuase people that they're an investment company

From: EBK "Very very very cheap website from who try to persuase people that they're an investment company."


To EBK
I will not deny the fact our web site looks cheap. I could not agree more with you EBK. However, we have never tried to claim to be web designers. We are investors and concentrate on making money not spending it on web design and HYIP scripts. If you disagree with how we've presented ourselves to this point then thank you for visiting our site and good day to you. That is all I can say to that matter. Besides we are not big on the persuasion. If people are interested then good if not we encourage them to go to a HYIP.


Update:
We are still on schedule to pay our current owners their invested balance on the 90 day schedule. We will be posting when we pay our current owners within the next 30 day's.

We are also posting a recent question we had emailed to us.
Now to address your questions:
The specific differences between Preferred and Non-Preferred (common shares) company stock.

Preferred:
1. Carries voting rights
2. You have the opportunity to sell your Non-Preferred shares without selling your company ownership/voting rights.
3. You will receive quarterly dividends (Non Accumulative dividends if 1 or more shares is owned).
4. Your shares are more likely to split.
5. Receive 5 Non-Preferred shares for each Preferred share purchased.

Non-Preferred:
1. If you sell your company shares you will no longer receive company dividends.
2. Your shares are less likely to split.
3. No voting rights
4. Accumulative dividends giving company owners the right to compound your dividends instead of paying them out without prior written consent.

Notes:
Voting rights means you will have the opportunity to make management decisions and possibly become a board member once the company decides to elect a board of directors. This will include you will have more extensive knowledge about company operations, books, and our opportunities (once established). Very confidential information once we are more established.
Accumulative Dividends: Means company, board members, managers have the right to compound dividends without prior written consent of the share holders.

First of all your site doesn't look cheap..your site IS cheap. Just an html pages that even a 5-years-old boy can do.

Secondly,have you ever seen a REAL financial company with an ugly website?

http://www.schroders.com
http://www.bkw-fmb.ch
https://www.franklintempleton.com

and many more...

EBK

Your right all our web pages are just html pages. Maybe a 5 year old boy can do them maybe not. We never claimed to be web designers. Either way doesn't matter. We have built this site for a temporary presence until we take it private. At which time we will not eliminate our online presence we will just modify our website so it looks like a real investment company not soliciting for investors. Besides we prefer to get people by referral and not from the web site. First before moving to that we will have to either hire a web design company or have a company web designer.

I'm not going to try to defend the web site. Besides I would lose the battle trying to defend html page based web site. So that point I will not try to argue. Keep in mind our site is built for information purposes mainly not sales and advertising.

If you wish to continue to down grade us over the looks of our web site fine. Don't invest, it is fine with us. We are looking for real people that want to make real money not people that complain about pointless subjects when the only point and main point is DO WE PAY.

Other Information
Some changes are under the works, and the first investors 90 day anniversary is ending soon. He has been notified that operations are in order and he will be paid on his 90 day anniversary date as proposed in the business deal.

More to be posted as that investor is paid. BTW we only have 1 online partner at this time so it is impossible for us to have paid him with another online partners money.

Watch for site modifications we are discontinuing our transaction fee discount.

Good day to you all.

We have paid our company owners for their first 90 day investment. If interested in joining our company as an owner please contact us and visit our web site.

OK folks,

I just got paid my 90 day 100% dispersment for my 1/8 th share.
A real trader here and now he still has my principal to work with so it's all profit from here on out!

Dear MMG members,

Ckmm, failed to mention that with his 100% disbursement he was also reimbursed his transaction fee. Which is not required. So no matter what happens from this point forward he is out $0.00. See our (Owners Shares, Dividends and P/L Statement) for details.

Other updates: Modifications are in Bold.
We are no longer accepting 1/8 share purchases. Minimum is now 1/4 share. Transaction fee is now back to $50.00. In addition, we can provide proof we pay and we can provide proof that we don’t use Joe’s money to pay Sam, because we have had only 1 out side owner up to this point.

Preferred stock purchase prices.
Shares available: 1,996 (SEE WEB SITE)
Max: $2M Max, $5K per ea. Share.
Minimum: $1,250 for 1/4 share.
Non-Preferred stock purchase prices.
Shares available: 9,999,980 (SEE WEB SITE)
Max: $100K, $1K per ea. share.
Min: $250 for 1/4 share.

SPECIAL OFFER: Repayment plan (Is for Preferred stockholders only with 1 share or more, if selected. Must report paid on MMG as earnings are received.)
Within the 1st 25 trade days/35 regular days you will receive a 20% draw of your principal.
Within the 1st 45 trade days/65 regular days you will receive another 30% draw of your principal.
Within the 1st 65 trade days/90 regular days you will receive the remaining 50% of your principal.
Note: if you purchase minimum of 1 Preferred stock share Value $5K.

Other differences between buying Preferred over Non-Preferred.
Main difference: Because the Preferred stock purchase grants 5 Non-Preferred shares for each Preferred share purchased the buyer receives shares at discounted prices.
Preferred:
1. Carries voting rights
2. You have the opportunity to sell your Non-Preferred shares without selling your company ownership/voting rights.
3. You will receive quarterly dividends (Non Accumulative dividends if 1 or more shares is owned).
4. Your shares are more likely to split.
5. Receive 5 Non-Preferred shares for each Preferred share purchased.

Non-Preferred:
1. If you sell your company shares you will no longer receive company dividends.
2. Your shares are less likely to split.
3. No voting rights
4. Accumulative dividends giving company owners the right to compound owners dividends instead of paying them out without prior written consent.

SPECIAL OFFER: Deposit option Expired.

Quote from CFO
"Ckmm, failed to mention that with his 100% disbursement he was also reimbursed his transaction fee. Which is not required. So no matter what happens from this point forward he is out $0.00. See our (Owners Shares, Dividends and P/L Statement) for details."

It is true I did get my transaction fee back also. I assumed some might think that was unbelievable but I did get it for sure.

Do not be alarmed if you can not view our web pages. We are in process of making major modifications and it is taking longer than expected. Our changes are geared more toward professional appearance and not investor solicitation/sells. If you do get our web site up it will be our old web pages until further notice.

Expected up coming changes.
No, sells on the front page.
No, hint of an investment site (HYIP) on the front page.
Prospective investors will have to view a separate investor relation’s page if we post it on our site.
It may or may not be for information purposes only.
We are going to be taking out the unbelievable rates or returns. We want the appearance of a real company not any hints of a possible online investment scam.

The old web pages should be working again. If your having issues accessing the web site please inform us right away. Thank you.

Looks interesting........and real, for once............

Hey again umbertino49.
I'm not following you around, I swear!

I just noticed your post, and wondered to myself, why you thought that.
Thanks in advance for sharing.

Contrarian, I just meant it does seem at least more real than all the hype shot at us by all these Hyips pretending to be real investments....Obviously I can't know for sure about this one but somehow rates seem more realistic compared to the vast majority offered here on this Forum ( and others). Again my "it seems" is a must here............

We just wanted to thank umbertino49 and Contrarian for visiting our site.

Web site modifications are still in progress. We are hoping to have the new site done and published by the end of Sunday 10/19/08.

We just wanted to take a moment to thank Umbertino49 for your comments. We are going for a real company not some HYIP game. Also, admire you because finally someone is thinking and looking beyond the simplicity set up of our current web site. Keep in mind to reach our goal returns we only need to average a little more then 1% per day compounded. That is an average not meaning we make money every day. Every good trader has some losing day's the objective though is to have consistent positive long term growth and a minimum daily AVERAGE OF 1% - 3%.

Thanks again.

Me?
I've not even said anything, yet

But, seeing as you 'picked on me' , are you 'allowed' to answer any questions here about this opportunity?

Thanks

Ok, your right I'm picking on you. It's about time someone did!!!!

Anyway back to topic. I modified the post, your right you did not comment yet. It was umbertino49.

Yes I'm allowed to answer questions here about this opportunity. That is actually my main purpose for being on MMG. MMG needs a go to guy and that is me.

I'm proud to finally announce that web changes have been made it is no longer simplistic HTML. I will not say the site is perfect but it is less HYIP and more information/Rules. Not really much talk about the minimums or maximums or how people are getting paid. I'm leaving that for this forum and a revised program post. The main major modifications have been published. We even have a password protected page now for the Profit Loss Statement so only owners can view that web page. Also, Instead of emailing us the required information there is an online operational form for future prospects. Again, I will not say the site is perfect but it is a good upgrade from the old HTML pages.

Program Modifications updated 10/20/08

Plans
We offer 2 stock options
Preferred
Non-Preferred

Preferred stock purchase prices.
Shares available: 792 (SEE WEB SITE)
Min: 1 share minimum = $2,500. (SEE WEB SITE)
Max: Per owner or company 320 Shares = $800,000.
*1/2 and 1/4 shares available after initial 1 share purchase.
Example: 1.25, 1.5, 1.75 or more but not .25, .5 or .75
** For each preferred share purchased the buyer receives 5 Non-Preferred shares.
Example: 1 Preferred share purchased and he/she receives 1 Preferred share and 5 Non-Preferred shares.

Non-Preferred Stock purchase Prices.
Shares available: 3959.75 (SEE WEB SITE)
Min: 1/2 share minimum = $250.00 (SEE WEB SITE)
Max: 3959.75 Shares = $1,979,875.

Regular payment plans
1. Investing $500 or more, repaid principal within 90 days. Then you are given the option to receive dividends, reinvest dividends or split your dividends 50/50. Every Quarter no monthly payments offered.
2. Investing less than $500, repaid principal within 90 days. After that your dividends are automatically reinvested until you own 1 share. Expected term 180 day's. At whcih time you received your principal at the 90 day mark and now own 1 Non-Preferred share at the 180 day mark. At that time you fall into the Investing $500 or more category.

SPECIAL NOTE: No members/owners/stock holders are nor will be encouraged to reinvest their principal. Despite growth expectations and earnings we highly encourage owners/stock holders to keep their principal once it is received.

Processors for Depositing capital
Paypal (Preferred)
Bank wire
Cash Bank deposits
No scam e-currencies, we are real and are not hiding.
All deposits are required to pay a $50.00 transaction/processing fee.

PROGRAM DETAILS
We the members/owners/stock holders in this are going to form a company together.
Note the company is not yet formed. We are ready to start accepting capital for operations and organization.

We are asking for company name suggestions. Our online name will remain CGNC/ECO "Comm***** Gro*** N Co*****/Ent******* Ca***** O**".

After all owners/stock holders have had their principal restored a board of directors will be elected by the people. Each board member will be required to be a holder of company Preferred shares.

How the company will make money. The company will invest into passive income opportunities per the instructions of the board of directors. This includes at this time Money Markets, Forex, Futures and Managed accounts. The future expectations may include other companies, angel investment companies, private investment companies and Real Estate etc. ABSOLUTELY THE COMPANY WILL NOT INVEST INTO ANY HYIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The CEO/CFO will have signature authorization on the company bank account. Once principal is restored. The company account will be established at BOA “Bank of Amer***”. The company will be registered with the Secretary of State in XX. Prefer NV, WY but will be authorized to do business in the location of the CFO. Voters choice.

It is going to require a minimum of $500.00 to set up the company.

Very Important: I do not want the real Company name, My real name nor the real name of any other board members/owners/stock holders posted in open forum. Why, because I do not want any bank to google us and red flag our company nor it's owners.
However, if you email me or PM me I will give you my real name. Don’t ask for the company name because it has not yet been formed.

If you wish to remain protected then I will issue you one of the following or both U.S IRS forms. Per your request.
Form 8308 Report of a Sale or Exchange of Certain Partnership Interests
Form 8300 Report of Cash payments over $10K received in a Trade or Business (Required for amounts of $10K or more if all in 1 single transaction.)

We are a Company INC. formed and controlled by the people.

It will be recommended that the CEO and CFO hold a minimum of 25% of the Preferred stock.
It will be recommended that other board members hold or maintain at least 5% - 10% of the Preferred stock.

Again I encourage, suggestions, comments or questions.

Remember it might be possible you can answer your own question. Why because if you own preferred stock then you have say over the control of the company. (Interesting Twist)

This is the most legal way we can do a pool of funds. Do your research if you wish. Companies can be started and created by anyone or any group. The Company does not have to be public to offer stock. It can remain private. However, a Corporation should have more than 2 owners/stock holders.

Everyone is paid quarterly dividends. Exceptions apply to those starting with less than 1 share or that chose to compound earnings. (SEE ABOVE)
To receive your principal you have to wait 90 day's to receive your 1st quarterly dividend.

After one year you have the following options.
Sell your stock.
or receive quarter dividends
A $50.00 transaction/processing fee per stock purchase/sell will apply.
A $25.00 transaction/processing fee per dividend check will apply.

Remember if filling a Sced D in the U.S the processing fee is added to your basis. Also, the $50.00 is not just benefiting the company it is benefiting you because your buying ownership.

We still may cut this off at the first 40 people. Not that we are doing anything illegal but we may want to keep that number of owners small for the simple reason we don't want the Gov. to start asking questions. I know a company can be formed and any amount of owners can own that company. Owners are free to buy and sell stock in their own company without worries about legalities. Every participant will be a partial owner. Make sure you either post your questions here, or use the contact question form on the web site. I still do not have the ability to PM so it is not advised that you PM me at this time.

Come visit our new updated web site.

Not to quote myself, again, but, "...if you're gonna say it, you better be prepared to play it..."


I just wanted to let you know this is not for me, so I'm not going to pollute your thread with tough questions I don't think I'll get answered.
Thanks anyway for your time thus far.

Thanks Contrarian,

No big deal if your not interested or this program isn't for you.

Yet, on the other hand no questions regarding the program will go unanswered. Unless they are identifying questions that reveal my name or the names of other share holders. Which as a participant you will get those questions answered.

I do appreciate the fact though if your not interested then you not flooding this post nor wasting my time answering questions for someone that isn't interested in participation.

If I may just one more Then I'm done I swear

Call me 'anal' or whatever right, but to me, the little things matter.
They say " A fool and his money, are soon parted". And you may have read about 'The Greater Fool Theory'.
Anyway, what I'm getting at is that I try not to be any kind of fool
So I take my fair share of flack, and expect to, for my 'mindset' when it comes to my capital.

As a potential future client/customer (not sure which of the terms you choose), regardless of whether I've said I'm not interested initially or not, may I give you my personal perspective, with no disrespect or ill-intent meant.

Hhhmmm, no big deal. I thought this guy was here trying to woe shareholders. Is he going to give up that easy?

Ok, I'm listening again.
Obviously.
I would expect to. Perhaps even before, with sufficient non-disclosure in place.

How else would I get interested? Maybe you could have still persuaded me, but instead you said 'not interested' so many times in that sentence, that yep, I'm not. And you almost had me listening above, remember?

However, I will ask some questions then, if that's ok. Hell, if I gave up on anything that easily, I wouldn't be where I am today. But that for another day maybe.

I'll just start off with a couple. Which are kind of thrown together from your posts and your site. You'll have to excuse my simplistic approach to this.

1. How can you sell shares in a company that is not even formed yet?
2. I don't think your business plan makes sense. May I ask you questions about it?
3. I think I understand what you do currently, but am not sure how you're doing it. What I mean is, how are all these traders and investors and people currently structured? Is Enterprise Capital One a registered company that they all work for? Is that who I will be making my deposit to and buy my shares from? (sorry, more than one question in there )
4. What will you be doing in the future, when the new company is formed?
5. What happens to the shareholders and share certificates etc. when the company name/structure/industry/whatever else, changes?
6. You mention you may cut off at 40. To keep the number of owners small. What makes you think 40 people 'running' a company is going to work?
7. How much stock do you own?
8. If plonked down a huge wad of cash and bought up the majority of preferred shares. Would you work for me?

I'll let you go now. And again, I just kind of let my thoughts flow above. Nothing personal.

Dear Cotrarian

First let me say I enjoy your presence it is respectable, and maybe I should not of said it is No big deal. The point I was trying to get across, is that if your truly not interested I'm not going to dwell on that issue because then I would have to put my interest into persuading people instead of trying to make decent profits. I don't wish to come across as needy that is the point in the "NO BIG DEAL"

I would like to add though I believe we could make a good partnership Contrarian. You seem very smart, put together and easy to work with on business issues. Now with that being said let’s get to your questions.

Q: 1. How can you sell shares in a company that is not even formed yet?
A: Well, the way this can be done is everyone is pulling funds together to form a legal entity. Now what that entity does to make a profit really doesn't matter as long as the company is formed in good faith and legally. Example: 5 engineers and 1 accountant all put their money together to from an engineering firm. In fact everyone in most cases is required to put their money in first so everyone's share can be split up in accordance with the assets they contributed. Rather it be cash, office furniture etc.

Q: 2. I don't think your business plan makes sense. May I ask you questions about it?
A: Of course.

Q: 3. I think I understand what you do currently, but am not sure how you're doing it. What I mean is, how are all these traders and investors and people currently structured? Is Enterprise Capital One a registered company that they all work for? Is that who I will be making my deposit to and buy my shares from? (sorry, more than one question in there )
A: Actually we only have 2 traders currently within the company. One is trading Forex and the other trading Futures. Other traders that we intend on opening managed company accounts with in the future have proven performance records and are offline. Most of whom my main partner and I have met through other colleges. As for the investors they are all partial owners in one company or another in which I own as partial owner. Some of the people/colleges are only involved to the point to give me their expertise because they have more years experience than myself and have made their millions already. I don't trust b*** sh**ers.
A: Yes, for now until we get the company formed you will be buying your shares from ECO/CGNC. Not all the people work for ECO/CGNC. ECO/CGNC was formed as an online presence only and actually the traders work for another company in which I will not name for obvious reasons. We do not want the two oriented so if we involve our real company then ECO/CGNC will basically give the other company a loan on paper to make it legal. Nothing will change for the investors/co-owners/share holders. Same returns just a different way to go about it. The 2 traders work for another company myself and my partner but are going to share responsibility for ECO/CGNC. BTW the other trader is a silent partner. He only wishes to be bothered with making money not this online stuff.
(Hope that covers those questions)

Q: 4. What will you be doing in the future, when the new company is formed?
A: I will be doing the same things I'm doing now. Keep the company paperwork up, register the company with the secretary of state in **. Do the company taxes, keep the books and trading, and issue share holder returns, dividends, draws etc.

Q: 5. What happens to the shareholders and share certificates etc. when the company name/structure/industry/whatever else, changes?
A: When the company is formed the shareholders will receive certificates in the name of that company/structure etc. If the company at that point changes, undergoes a name change or something of that nature all the paperwork has to be approved by the secretary of state. So what this means is once the company is formed the name/structure/industry or whatever else is not expected to change unless a board of directors decide to do so at which time everything will transfer over so no one is cut out of the changes. No profits, shares or anything of value will change. It will all transfer and everyone will be treated in good faith and with the same respect. Only exception to this is if the company is dissolved at which time. All assets will be divided up per those share holders net worth in the company at the time of dissolution.

Q: 6. You mention you may cut off at 40. To keep the number of owners small. What makes you think 40 people 'running' a company is going to work?
A: Actually not all 40 will be running the company, to start the assets are going to be managed by my main partner and I. Everyone else will remain silent for the time. In addition, the only people that may have a vote in asset management will be the Preferred share holders. Of which it still isn't going to matter very much because between my main partner and I if need be we will always maintain a minimum of 55% of the votes. That way we can over rule a Preferred share holders votes if they come up with something stupid like putting some capital in a HYIP game. We only expect maybe a maximum of maybe 5 Preferred share holders so that isn't going to be hard and they all should be people with asset management experience because the share cost more. I understand, everyone may want some involvement but the main point I'm going to bring up is this, don't try to fix what is not broken. So before proposing an investment as long as everyone is being paid don't expect we are going to take a chunk of capital and put it in something that we have not tested.

Q: 7. How much stock do you own?
A: I currently own 8 Preferred shares and 40 Non-Preferred shares. Another online person owns the remaining .25 Non-Preferred shares and he has already received his principal back. If we get a large investor I will buy enough Preferred shares to equal or exceed that persons investment. Also, we may temporarily close the stock offer. It just depends on the amount.

Q: 8. If plonked down a huge wad of cash and bought up the majority of preferred shares. Would you work for me?
A: Yes and no, I will work for the company as the CFO. That you will own a huge chunk of so technically you could say I will be working for you. Yet, I will not be taking orders from you like a boss in a 9 to 5 job. It will be different. How so? Well I have to answer to you yes, but I also have to answer to myself, my main partner and the other owners of the company. Lets stay realistic though, your not going to plunk down a huge wad of cash unless you have millions burring wholes in your pocket. What I would expect is your going to test the waters with something small like $10K - $20K then you would plunk down a huge amount of cash.

FYI: I don’t take any of this personal it is business. I separate the too things and sometimes business is tuff. If you take it personal you’ll never make it in today’s society of back stabbers etc.

Hope this answers your questions for now. Keep in mind if I don’t answer your questions within 24 – 48 hours it’s because I’m busy trading or doing other company things and or trying to spend what little spare time I have with my family.

do u want asp pages like e-gold & later scam you

Pardon my ignorance but what are asp pages? I may, but first I need to know what type of pages your referring to. If your talking about having a log in for everyone that takes them to their individual account like an online bank then yes in the future but not at this time.

As for the later part "later scam you" if your trying to call this program a scam fine. Good for you but now I can prove otherwise.
Reasons:
1. I have a partner/share holder/owner CKMM whom has been paid and is out $0.00. He was refunded his principal investment of $125.00 as agreed per the 90 day rule. In addition, above and beyond that it states fees are not refundable. Yet, still we refunded CKMM his Transaction fee. Also, if you wanted to get technical. We did not have to really refund CKMM his money till 120 day’s per our rules.
2. We are not paying anyone to post I’ve been paid posts like I could be, if we wanted to be dishonest. Proof, case and point one of our earlier posts. “Posted on 7/1/08, title: Investors/HYIP participants Beware, We received 2 emails cut and pasted from our email to here to help people see what is going on.”
3. If truly necessary, I’m sure we could cut and past a copy of our Paypal account to show we received and paid back CKMM. Yet, first we would need the permission of CKMM because it reveals his real name in our Paypal account history.

I’m not trying to change your mind if your calling us a scam. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions rather it be derogatory with ill intentions or not. Someone calling us out before trying our program or asking us any questions seems that they may have other intentions. The reason I’m entertaining your comment is for the purposes of other readers on this forum. Whom I would like to work with/for in the future.

Oh, 2 last stements
Thanks for the bump
Also, with you being fairly new to MMG I don't know how much credit to give your comments.

Hey there Commgnc

I've not forgotten about you

Thanks firstly for the reply above. All you've done now is raise a million more questions

Don't worry about that other nutter going on about asp pages...

Oh yeah and I wouldn't be so hasty! I'm a right b@$tard, I've been told.

I'll be honest with you, I'm immediately facing a conflict of interest, per se. I already own an investment company, 100% mine. My primary priority is making money for that company. (and I'm probably taking your traders' money everyday )

Seriously though, although I appreciate the effort you put in answering all my questions above, as I said, they've only just raised another round if you're up for it.

Before you answer that though... I want you to consider the probability/possibility that it may not go the way you think it will.
Neither do I, obviously, but just so neither of us have any preconceptions
And I wanted to put it out there now, that if you want any non-disclosure from this point on, let me know, and will I'll reply appropriately.

K. I'm outta here.

Hey Contrarian,


Depending on the situation we can all be cold at times.


Well it's your call, I understand the conflict of interest. Your right it is possible your taking my traders money or the money from my Forex account. I doubt it though. However, it is possible on our short losses your taking gains. Yet, then on your losses we are getting our money back from you plus some. Might not be all your money but it's someone’s.


Sure may take some time but yes, and even if things don't work out between us than someone else may have the same question so lets get them answered.


This is an obvious situation, no matter what we do in the investment world we could have unexpected losses. Lets play devils advocate for a moment and take it under consideration the worst case scenario. My partners Futures account gets margin call and I hit margin call all in the same day. Over and over again until we are left with nothing. Kinda tuff to let that happen but it could happen. Why because at no time do my partner nor I risk the entire balance. Our stop losses would trigger way before that would happen plus lets say our stop losses do not trigger. At that point we still have the ability to manually stop the losing trades. At which time still worst case scenario my partner nor I wont be losing more than 10% - 20% of our total account balance. Now back to the devils advocate, if my partner and I did wipe out our accounts we would tap into our reserves and take a more conservative approach until all funds are recovered. Now lets make the situation worse. The conservative approach doesn't work and we keep taping into our reserve accounts until we have no more funds. Well, at that point the response should be obvious. If all the money is gone then the company gets dissolved and if anything is left it is disbursed. If nothing is left then no one gets anything. To ensure people we did not run with the money we could provide trade statements showing the continued declining balance.

Now to add some topping to the cake what we could consider is a special deal if we are talking about a decent amount of cash. Example: Your willing to deposit something mid size like $50K - $100K. However, you do not want more than 50% loss. In this case we would guarantee that worst case scenario that at no time does your share value go below the 50% loss ratio. This ensures that no matter what you get back 50% of your principal, plus a legal tax deduction. However at that point I can not say we will be able to return the principal within 90 day's. It's going to take more like 180 day's or more, longest it would take would be 1 year. Reason is because we have to take a very conservative approach to ensure we can keep the guarantee. This making us withdraw earnings and putting them in reserves instead of compounding. Increasing the security of the company.

As for the Non-disclosure that is only necessary if we start talking out side of the forum. Anything said here is perfectly out in the open.

Ok, done for now, I know I'm long winded. I may check latter to try and respond to your questions depending on tonight trade session.

Hey there Commgnc

Right, I'll be straight with you from the very start
I'm not sure what the whole devils advocate thing above was in aid of. You may have just misread what I meant with my reply.
Anyway, you've talked me out of it.

These are purely my personal thoughts and views. I'm kinda personal with my money.
I won't pick everything apart either, I'll just say, that as good a trader as you may be, I think this whole share thing, cfo thing, accounting thing, etc. is more complicated than you seem qualified for. No offense, I could be way off, but I'm basing my assessment on your responses so far, and having been doing this long enough for me to personally trust in my own experience.
I'll also just add, that the same could well have happened and I may have misunderstood or misread one of your replies, I suppose , such is life hey.

If I can offer a small bit of advice, I would re-check the laws you think you are exempt from again. Be very careful what you say/write, especially things like 'legal tax deduction';). Before you go much further with this. Or seek an expert second opinion.
Again, I will add that it has been a while since I checked up on my US securities laws and I'm basing my current remarks on the UK equivalent.

Ok. As I said, I'm out. But since you do want to get things answered, maybe if I still post some of the earlier replies I was going to give you. As you say, it may help out any others that are trying to make a decision.

Apologies now for the constant re-quoting of stuff...

Q: 1. How can you sell shares in a company that is not even formed yet?
A: Well, the way this can be done is everyone is pulling funds together to form a legal entity(1). Now what that entity does to make a profit really doesn't matter(2) as long as the company is formed in good faith and legally. Example: 5 engineers and 1 accountant all put their money together to from an engineering firm(3). In fact everyone in most cases is required to put their money in first so everyone's share can be split up in accordance with the assets they contributed. Rather it be cash, office furniture etc.(4)
1. Isn't this a partnership? Can you sell shares in a partnership?
2. If I understand it right, you said this just for the sake of explaining to me, and that you do know that it actually does matter in the context of this company you are trying to form, correct?
3. Partnership, until incorporated otherwise, no?
4. Yes. Their startup-capital. But this is used for the purposes you mentioned above like office furniture etc. etc. Start-up costs. The money I give you to buy these shares, is being put where? Office furniture or futures/forex accounts?

Q: 2. I don't think your business plan makes sense. May I ask you questions about it?
A: Of course.
1. I'll skip this as I'm out.

Q: 3. I think I understand what you do currently, but am not sure how you're doing it. What I mean is, how are all these traders and investors and people currently structured? Is Enterprise Capital One a registered company that they all work for? Is that who I will be making my deposit to and buy my shares from? (sorry, more than one question in there )
A: Actually we only have 2 traders currently within the company. One is trading Forex and the other trading Futures.(1) Other traders that we intend on opening managed company accounts with in the future have proven performance records and are offline.(2) Most of whom my main partner and I have met through other colleges. As for the investors they are all partial owners in one company or another in which I own as partial owner.(3) Some of the people/colleges are only involved to the point to give me their expertise because they have more years experience than myself and have made their millions already. I don't trust b*** sh**ers.
1. Is this your partner and you? Or additionally to the two of you?
2. With the return you're already claiming, why would you need to to that?
3. I'm not sure I understood this sentence about the investors. Sorry. Do you mean the investors who buy your shares?

A: Yes, for now until we get the company formed you will be buying your shares from ECO/CGNC.(1) Not all the people work for ECO/CGNC. ECO/CGNC was formed as an online presence only(2) and actually the traders work for another company in which I will not name for obvious reasons(2). We do not want the two oriented so if we involve our real company then ECO/CGNC will basically give the other company a loan on paper to make it legal. Nothing will change for the investors/co-owners/share holders. Same returns just a different way to go about it. The 2 traders work for another company myself and my partner but are going to share responsibility for ECO/CGNC. BTW the other trader is a silent partner. He only wishes to be bothered with making money not this online stuff.
(Hope that covers those questions)
1. Which is? I mean, partnership, company, what kind of entity is ECO/CGNC?
2. This reminded me of something I think I read on your old site, which was that you have been online since '05. Why have you not been able to shift more shareholdership in 3, almost 4 years?
3. This is another one I wasn't sure I understood either. Sorry. Are they 'contracted' to you somehow then? If not, doesn't this worry you? (it should ). Are they just trading managed accounts for you? Do they have a vested interest in your company? Or maybe the new one when it's formed? I'm just trying to understand the relationship.

Q: 4. What will you be doing in the future, when the new company is formed?
A: I will be doing the same things I'm doing now. Keep the company paperwork up, register the company with the secretary of state in **. Do the company taxes, keep the books and trading, and issue share holder returns, dividends, draws etc.
1. This was probably a badly worded question on my part, apologies for that. I mean what will the new company be doing, once formed?

Q: 5. What happens to the shareholders and share certificates etc. when the company name/structure/industry/whatever else, changes?
A: When the company is formed the shareholders will receive certificates in the name of that company/structure etc.(1) If the company at that point changes, undergoes a name change or something of that nature all the paperwork has to be approved by the secretary of state.(2) So what this means is once the company is formed the name/structure/industry or whatever else is not expected to change unless a board of directors decide to do so at which time everything will transfer over so no one is cut out of the changes.(3) No profits, shares or anything of value will change.(4) It will all transfer and everyone will be treated in good faith and with the same respect. Only exception to this is if the company is dissolved at which time. All assets will be divided up per those share holders net worth in the company at the time of dissolution.(5)
1. Is there another charge for the re-issue of certificates under the new name?
2. I'm not sure how you can say 'if', it is inevitable isn't it? If I'm not mistaken, I think you mentioned somewhere on your old site that you where still open to suggestions on the name?
3. I didn't mean once it's formed. You are already selling shares in 'company' 1, to somehow form company 2. what will happen to these when you form 'company' 2? If it is not to change from company 1 to company 2, then What is the name/structure/industry of company 1 currently? And why the whole mission of forming company 2?
4. I don't get how this can be either. I thought the 'share price' was based on the net worth you mentioned somewhere. Is this not the case? If so, then how can you say nothing of value will change? Do you mean only during the 'transfer window' from old-company to new-company?
5. Personally, I'm not bothered with good-faith and respect, I'm bothered with whether I'm going to make money by investing in this company, that is still in sperm-stage. Why do you mention dissolution at this point again? And while you're on it, 'shareholders' net worth would have grown, according to your business plan, which is based on company NAV correct? Unless you start taking losses, at which point I can sell my shares back to you, do you guarantee buy-back by the company? How do you account for this, mark-to-market? Is your market valuation/net worth audited?
Sorry, loads of questions in there again

Q: 6. You mention you may cut off at 40. To keep the number of owners small. What makes you think 40 people 'running' a company is going to work?
A: Actually not all 40 will be running the company,(1) to start the assets are going to be managed by my main partner and I. Everyone else will remain silent for the time.(2) In addition, the only people that may have a vote in asset management will be the Preferred share holders. Of which it still isn't going to matter very much(3) because between my main partner and I if need be we will always maintain a minimum of 55% of the votes.(4) That way we can over rule a Preferred share holders votes if they come up with something stupid(5) like putting some capital in a HYIP game. We only expect maybe a maximum of maybe 5 Preferred share holders so that isn't going to be hard and they all should be people with asset management experience because the share cost more.(6) I understand, everyone may want some involvement but the main point I'm going to bring up is this, don't try to fix what is not broken.(7) So before proposing an investment as long as everyone is being paid don't expect we are going to take a chunk of capital and put it in something that we have not tested.(8)
1. I thought you mentioned somewhere it was everyones ownership of their own company . No obviously, only preferred/voting sharesholders have 'a say' right?
2. How long do you expect that situation to last. I'm not very good being silent for very long
3. ouch?
4. The 'if need be' and 'will always maintain' is a bit confusing to me . How is that split between the two of you, if I may ask?
5. Again, ouch?
6. You cannot 'expect maybe' in this business. You have to know and state it clearly. And you can control that, can't you? Also, seriously, what makes you think they will have any 'asset management' experience, just because they are paying more for the preferred shares? You'd be surprised how many people have more money than sense, so you could be in for another surprise. But again, you can control this correct?
7. You've not even started this company yet, you can't say for sure it's not going to break all by itself, can you?
8. This sounds like it's laying some groundwork to me at the start, but if I were to ask a question about it, I suppose it would be, who does the 'testing'? And for how long is 'stuff' tested before it's considered safe?


Q: 7. How much stock do you own?
A: I currently own 8 Preferred shares and 40 Non-Preferred shares.(1) Another online person owns the remaining .25 Non-Preferred shares and he has already received his principal back.(2) If we get a large investor I will buy enough Preferred shares to equal or exceed that persons investment. Also, we may temporarily close the stock offer. It just depends on the amount.(3)
1.(This whole paragraph had me scratching my head.) But for a question, you own all the preferred shares that have been sold so far?
2. How can you get 'a principal back on a share purchase'? Do you mean he's sold his .25 of a share back to you? He's already collected a profit/dividend equal to the amount he purchased his share for? I'm not sure I understand just how your share scheme is structured, could you explain it to me?
3. Again, I apologise, but this has got to be the weirdest 'structure' I have ever heard of. If you get a large investor purchasing up loads of your preferred shares, you'd match his purchase? Are you liquid enough? If yes, then why haven't you purchased more anyway? Close it, depending on the amount?

Q: 8. If plonked down a huge wad of cash and bought up the majority of preferred shares. Would you work for me?
A: Yes and no, I will work for the company as the CFO.(1) That you will own a huge chunk of so technically you could say I will be working for you. Yet, I will not be taking orders from you like a boss in a 9 to 5 job. It will be different. How so? Well I have to answer to you yes, but I also have to answer to myself, my main partner and the other owners of the company. Lets stay realistic though, your not going to plunk down a huge wad of cash unless you have millions burring wholes in your pocket. What I would expect is your going to test the waters with something small like $10K - $20K then you would plunk down a huge amount of cash.(2)
1. Are you qualified?
2. That doesn't make sense, for what you are trying to sell this as. If I saw a good enough return, why wouldn't I plonk down enough to purchase majority preferred stock? Also, you're assuming a lot about me aren't you? I suppose, until you fully explain the scheme structure to me as requested above, I may just still be confused.

Thanks again for your time. I'll just close by saying, you know where I stand, so I'm not expecting you to answer me, with the above questions.
They were put together before your latest reply to me, I'm just putting them out there, in case anybody else wants to know.
Although I will look forward to your replies.

Good luck with your venture!
Keep well!

Hi Contrarian,

Very well then, Contrarian, not sure how I talked you out of it. I was just being honest. Anyway, as for the devils advocate it's kinda like pulling due diligence. Another words pulling the worst out.

As for Securities laws and the accounting side of the whole venture.
I have a bachelors degree in accounting and in addition one of my mentors has over 20 years experience in business accounting dealing with situations like this venture. Therefore, I have done my homework and understand the tax laws. Now I will admit my grammar is week but it doesn't take English skills to trade well nor understand and implement tax law. My partner would agree with anyone that my grammar is week. Yet, he would also say me as a trader I do very well. Now no point in beating a dead horse.

As for the Security laws, this is a touchy subject. I have been advised and told that I could sell shares in a company or take company loans from individuals or companies. As long as I'm not selling an investment opportunity which your right I got to be careful that is why I changed the web site. That is more so why I try to use partner/owner etc.

I'm cutting out the re-quotes to help save the length of this post.

Q: 1. Isn't this a partnership? A: Kind of but more so a LLC or INC. Q: Can you sell shares in a partnership? A: LLC's can be partnerships and you can sell shares in either a LLC or Corporation. Non IPO or IPO. (Initial public offering)
Q: 2. If I understand it right, you said this just for the sake of explaining to me, and that you do know that it actually does matter in the context of this company you are trying to form, correct? A: Yes, very much so.
Q: 3. Partnership, until incorporated otherwise, no? A: I supposedly believe technically your right it is a partnership until incorporated or until the LLC paper work is submitted to the State.
4. Yes. Their startup-capital. But this is used for the purposes you mentioned above like office furniture etc. etc. Start-up costs. The money I give you to buy these shares, is being put where? Office furniture or futures/forex accounts? A: The money from owners/partners is all going into shared company accounts. To make this more legal I have to say the money is going to support the business rather it be for business supplies, or sits in a company account rather that account is a trading forex account or a bank account. However since I've covered all the business supplies at this point then the only need is reserve capital so it future owners capital will sit in company accounts. Yet, this does not mean that company earnings will not cover some of these costs in the future. Example: If the owners deposited a total sum of $100K into the company. The company makes $100K Gross profit. Subtract taxes and supplies make net profit $90K. The $90K is now divided up amongst the owners/shareholders/company of the LLC or Company.

Q: 1. Is this your partner and you? Or additionally to the two of you? A: The traders are my partner and I or like you said the two of us.
Q: 2. With the return you're already claiming, why would you need to to that? A: Doesn't matter how much my partner or I make from our trading accounts we will always seek out other opportunities. Main reason is diversification. Therefore, it never hurts one to broaden their horizons by meeting new people and broadening their income potential. That is also the purpose of our other friends.
Q 3. I'm not sure I understood this sentence about the investors. Sorry. Do you mean the investors who buy your shares? A: The friends/acquaintances that I have are the people whom have taught me a lot over the years. This was mainly geared toward those individuals whom have taught me how to make money. It isn't hard to identify whom is a show off with nothing and who actually has the capital.

Q: 1. Which is? I mean, partnership, company, what kind of entity is ECO/CGNC? A: ECO/CGNC or the company we establish will be an LLC or Corporation we can not sell shares in a partnership that is not classified at the very least as an LLC.
Q: 2. This reminded me of something I think I read on your old site, which was that you have been online since '05. Why have you not been able to shift more shareholdership in 3, almost 4 years? A: Not sure but most likely because up until this point our web sites have been html basic or worse. Very week built sites have not been convincing evidently. Also figuring for the first 2 years it wasn't easy to convince people that a new traders can do the performance that we claim. I really could not tell you why people have not gone for our offer. The other issue is some people have came and gone. The other reason is some people just wanted out after losing the rest of their money on other HYIP's. I don't know why not stick with something that works but a few people told us that they are tired of this HYIP crap and just want their money because they can't pay their bills with what they do have left.
Q: 3. This is another one I wasn't sure I understood either. Sorry. Are they 'contracted' to you somehow then? If not, doesn't this worry you? (it should wink.gif). Are they just trading managed accounts for you? Do they have a vested interest in your company? Or maybe the new one when it's formed? I'm just trying to understand the relationship. A: The managed accounts that we may or may not invest in with company funds in the future we have done extensive research DD and have seen proven track records. These traders for 1 don't need our money nor care if we do a managed account to let them trade or not. They have made their millions and know how to make money with proven success. They don't advertise nor have special contracts with brokers to bring in more clients. They are in most cases trader friends we have known for a while that have made a successful trading career. They don't care to have an invested interest in our company because like you they have their own. It is us that asked them if we gave them some cash would they trade it for us in a managed account. Some said no others said it's not something that interests them but they would consider it. Besides IF we do decide to let one of our trader friends handle some of the company capital we will take out our principal ASAP. Then withdraw funds as we see fit to ensure it does not affect our bottom line. In addition, most likely we wont give them to much to start at the most probably 5 digits either that or an amount we could make back within a week or two. The managed accounts will be under a contract of some sort. It's nothing like this HYIP stuff. Real people face to face shaking hands and talking on the phone. Besides maybe at some point if we start making more than them they may ask us to trade some of their capital.

Q: 1. This was probably a badly worded question on my part, apologies for that. I mean what will the new company be doing, once formed? A: Our plan, At first we will split the capital into 3rds 1/3 my forex, 1/3 my partners futures account and 1/3 in a reserve account. Once my partner and I double the 1/3 we will withdraw the principal vested and put that in the reserve account. That way everyone's principal sits in a safe reserve account. After that we are not 100% curtain, we will look at other opportunities as they come along but not necessarily will we participate in every opportunity we find. In fact it likely we will only put money into 10% of the things that cross our desk. Depending on profitability, security, longevity and most importantly DD.

Q: 1. Is there another charge for the re-issue of certificates under the new name? A: No, we are going to wait before we issue the certificates once the name is registered and I will order the stocks at the same time the company is registered with the State. We are not going to charge any hidden fee's. We are all in this together so any other costs will be taken from the company profits.
Q 2. I'm not sure how you can say 'if', it is inevitable isn't it? If I'm not mistaken, I think you mentioned somewhere on your old site that you where still open to suggestions on the name? A: Yes, we are still open to name suggestions for the new company. Sorry but as for the inevitable I'm not sure where that came from maybe I'm a little overworked and did not understand at this time. So I'm leaving that part alone.
Q: 3. I didn't mean once it's formed. You are already selling shares in 'company' 1, to somehow form company 2. what will happen to these when you form 'company' 2? If it is not to change from company 1 to company 2, then What is the name/structure/industry of company 1 currently? And why the whole mission of forming company 2? A: The whole mission of forming company 2 is to separate the company that is already formed from the offline company that has been doing business. As stated before my partner wants no connection with the online HYIP stuff and does not want the good name of company 1 brought into the picture. He does not want no posts with the real company name mentioned. I understand his point of view especially when it could have strong adverse affects on company ones profits if one of our banker friends new we were selling shares to get more capital. Our banker friends will not invest our funds if they are borrowed or from selling shares legal or not.
Q: 4. I don't get how this can be either. I thought the 'share price' was based on the net worth you mentioned somewhere. Is this not the case? If so, then how can you say nothing of value will change? Do you mean only during the 'transfer window' from old-company to new-company? A: Until the new share holders receive their principal the value will not change unless we make more shares available or lower the amount of shares available. We changed the prices from the old site to make them more affordable and also changed the number of shares. Company 1 has nothing to do with the current value. Company 2 is in it's own entity.
Q: 5. Personally, I'm not bothered with good-faith and respect, I'm bothered with whether I'm going to make money by investing in this company, that is still in sperm-stage. Why do you mention dissolution at this point again? And while you're on it, 'shareholders' net worth would have grown, according to your business plan, which is based on company NAV correct? Unless you start taking losses, at which point I can sell my shares back to you, do you guarantee buy-back by the company? How do you account for this, mark-to-market? Is your market valuation/net worth audited? A: The dissolution is part of the worst case scenario thing. You said what would happen if we lost all the money well that is what would happen. We are offering no Money back guarantee, every dollar invested into the company is at risk. That is the whole purpose of refunding principal within 90 day's and recommending no reinvestment at that point. That is the only guarantee which your not guaranteed to get it back in 90 day's it is just a way to try and make sure no one loses a dime. Now, after principal is returned, then if remaining company funds are all lost then no one loses anything and the company gets dissolved (Worst case scenario). Best case scenario we continue doing what we are doing and your share value will increase over time or you withdraw dividends or both as we have planed. I only mention negatives because you asked what happens if the company loses all the money. If the company loses only part of the money then we decide do we keep going or refund any remaining funds in accordance with the value of each share based on current equity/assets.

Q: 1. I thought you mentioned somewhere it was everyones ownership of their own company wink.gif. No obviously, only preferred/voting sharesholders have 'a say' right? A: Yes, on preferred share holders have voting rights but still either way voting rights or not both hold ownership.
Q 2. How long do you expect that situation to last. I'm not very good being silent for very long biggrin.gif
Q 3. ouch? A: Not yet 100% determined, however if your not happy we can consider a buy out of your shares if necessary. Secondly, minimum time frame will be 90 day's. We need to make sure we return initial principal. Once that task is complete we will be a little more open to suggestions/comments/concerns.
Q 4. The 'if need be' and 'will always maintain' is a bit confusing to me wink.gif. How is that split between the two of you, if I may ask?
Q 5. Again, ouch? A: My main partner and I split everything 50/50.
Q: 6. You cannot 'expect maybe' in this business. You have to know and state it clearly. And you can control that, can't you? Also, seriously, what makes you think they will have any 'asset management' experience, just because they are paying more for the preferred shares? You'd be surprised how many people have more money than sense, so you could be in for another surprise. But again, you can control this correct? A: No this can not be controlled with 100% certainty. However, major projects will need majority vote, if we end up with a rich guy with no sense then we are going to have to convince him/her to do what is right. Which if they have no sense I know I can get my main partner to handle that issue. He is good at providing facts, and information that can be very convincing.
Q: 7. You've not even started this company yet, you can't say for sure it's not going to break all by itself, can you? A: Technically no, however the thing is we are not going to be doing anything different from what we have done in the past until 100% of the principal is restored and until our trade accounts = our reserve. So in worst case scenario we have more room for sustaining and surviving losses small or large. This way we ensure the best chance of success.
Q: 8. This sounds like it's laying some groundwork to me at the start, but if I were to ask a question about it, I suppose it would be, who does the 'testing'? And for how long is 'stuff' tested before it's considered safe? A: It depends on the situation, and the investment. Factors: Is it liquid, is it a HYIP (Not considered), does it have a proven track record, what is the minimum, and what are the associated costs, risks etc. That is just a start of our questions. As for who does the testing, either both my partner and I or the company. Depending on whom is in a better position to take the risk and the amount.

Q: 1.(This whole paragraph had me scratching my head.) But for a question, you own all the preferred shares that have been sold so far? A: Yes
Q: 2. How can you get 'a principal back on a share purchase'? Do you mean he's sold his .25 of a share back to you? He's already collected a profit/dividend equal to the amount he purchased his share for? I'm not sure I understand just how your share scheme is structured, could you explain it to me?
A: Your right this is different. The rules are every share holder/owner is to get their principal back within 90 day's. Under the old terms someone could buy as little as 1/8th share. We did the lower amount to get more participation. However, due to the new site being more professional and the issue that we don't want to deal with a bunch of wanna be's we raised the price to 1/2 share of Non-Preferred or 1 share of Preferred. Our non Preferred share holder has 1/4 Non-preferred share and received his principal back in the form of a dividend. His 90 day's. Now until his .25 share turns into 1 share value he is to receive no more dividend payments. Hope this helps clarify.
Q: 3. Again, I apologise, but this has got to be the weirdest 'structure' I have ever heard of. If you get a large investor purchasing up loads of your preferred shares, you'd match his purchase? Are you liquid enough? If yes, then why haven't you purchased more anyway? Close it, depending on the amount? [b]A: Depending on the amount of the large investor yes we may close down selling new shares. We are not in the HYIP game use joe's money to pay sue and we do not want that to be considered. My main partner and I are liquid enough to buy the remain shares if we wished. We have not because we would like some outside cash so we can profit off OPM "other peoples money" as well as our own. Why not make more if you can?[/b]

Q 1. Are you qualified? A: If my partner and I were not qualified I would not risk my name to offer this opportunity.
Q: 2. That doesn't make sense, for what you are trying to sell this as. If I saw a good enough return, why wouldn't I plonk down enough to purchase majority preferred stock? Also, you're assuming a lot about me aren't you? wink.gif I suppose, until you fully explain the scheme structure to me as requested above, I may just still be confused. A: 1. I don't like trying to sell, but to a point I'm forced if I want online clients and have questions such as yours to answer. The problem is I'm honest and that and selling don't go good together. Yes, I'm assuming a lot about you. Yet, most people with money and intelligence as you seem would not plunk down a large amount of cash despite the ROI. Even if every question they had was answered to 100% of their satisfaction. Most would put down the minimum or a little above the minimum and let it ride. Until they seen results. At least that is my experience with large investors.

This is getting to be a long post. I hope everything got covered. I know you probably did not get the answers you wanted to here but I'm being honest and not everyone likes the honest approach. Also, I do not know if your still considering or not. Either way, this was some work. Trying to get through this and I don't know if everyone whom reads this will understand. We may have some miss communication maybe not. I'm trying to clarify your questions. Now by the chance your still considering.

I will say it is highly likely you will make money and you will be happy. Going back to worst case scenario, Although I will not guarantee your principal, I can say with 90% certainty you won't lose your money in this business venture. Also, as a solid trader or investor you got to accept losses with the gains. Not every trade is going to be positive and if you can't accept losses your not going to make wise decisions during trade sessions. Keeping your mind on the goals at hand and the system at hand will make you successful. Another main point is consistency it is a key factor. Amount is less important than consistency.

Hehe, I know you got more questions in you. Lets have it. The only thing is lets try you state the questions without quoting me and I will answer it the best I can. Reason I ask for the non quote is so we can try to shorten the length of each post.

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"3. If truly necessary, I’m sure we could cut and past a copy of our Paypal account to show we received and paid back CKMM. Yet, first we would need the permission of CKMM because it reveals his real name in our Paypal account history."

I appreciate the debate here however i do not want my name posted in this forum.
Folks, every investment has risks right? I took one when I sent paypal funds to this company and now I am out nothing. I got it all back plus fees which is more than expected. Now I have "house" money growing. As time goes on I may plunk some more down when I have it, we will see.
As far as I can tell this is a real deal so take it or leave it MHO

Dear CKMM,

Thanks for comments. I just want you to know I never asked you for 2 reasons.
1. I expected your response to be no.
2. No one has asked for the proof.
But thank you for the open response so everyone can know your opinions.

I'm going to give the results from this weeks forex trading.
10/21 7 Trades: 2 Negative -46 Pips| 5 Positive +144 Pips | Profit +98 Pips
10/22 10 Trades: 3 Negative -120 Pips | 7 Positive +243 Pips | Profit +123 Pips
10/23 6 Trades: 1 Negative -32 Pips | 5 Positive +392 Pips | Profit +360 Pips.
10/24 1 Trade: 0 Negative -0 | 1 Positive +90 Pips
Weekly Totals Loss -198 | Gain +869 | Combined +671 Pip Profit.
Note this was an exceptional week. I do not expect these gains every week. That is a huge gain resulting from the higher then normal volatility.

If that is not enough information I can provide more details such as the pair I traded and at what price I bought and sold. Resulting in the positive or negative return. Do not ask me my lot size. That is not necessary knowledge.

Thanks again everyone for viewing our web site and reading this forum.

Trade results for 10/27 - 10/31

10/27 6 Trades: 0 Negative -0 Pips| 6 Positive +293 Pips | Profit +293 Pips
10/28 No Trades
10/29 12 Trades: 5 Negative -296 Pips | 6 Positive +538 Pips | Profit +242 Pips | 1 Trade 0
10/30 8 Trade: 4 Negative -288 | 4 Positive +245 Pips | Loss -43 Pips
10/31 No Trades
Weekly Totals Loss -584 | Gain +1076 | Combined +492 Pip Profit

This is a good week to show results. Why because of the -43 Pip loss on 10/30. This proves more that I'm a real trader and not putting out some HYIP game stating I never lose.

Any investor should know that real traders sometimes will have a losing day or trade. It's inevitable and must be acceptable to the trader or they will fail in due time. The most important thing to look at over everything else, is there consistent growth.

Still an exceptional week though with an over all gain of +492 Pips.

If that is not enough information I can provide more details such as the pair I traded and at what price I bought and sold. Resulting in the positive or negative return. Do not ask me my lot size. That is not necessary knowledge.

Web site is updated, with some minor changes to text/content in addition stock chart updated as of 11/1/08

Thanks again everyone for viewing our web site and reading this forum.

Trade results for 11/2 - 11/7

11/2 No Trades
11/3 7 Trades: 2 Negative -85 Pips | 5 Positive +271 | Profit +186 Pips
11/4 No Trades
11/5 4 Trade: 0 Negative -0 | 4 Positive +250 Pips | Profit +250 Pips
11/6 3 Trades: 1 Negative -9 Pips | 2 Positive +160 Pips | Profit +159 Pips
11/7 No Trades
Weekly Totals Loss -94 | Gain +681 | Combined +587 Pip Profit

I almost wish I could have a losing week so I could show everyone I don't always come out ahead for the week. Maybe it will help by me stating during CKMM's 1st 90 day's I told him I had a bad week or something I can't remember all the details but I do remember telling him returns where not very hi if we did have any returns at all that week. Who knows maybe CKMM will jump in here and refresh my memory. Anyway, that ends this weeks update.

Thanks again everyone for viewing our web site and reading this forum.

Trade results for 11/9 - 11/14

I'm no longer going to say anything else about the week such as exceptional or normal for now, because these pip gains are getting consistent. It seems what was exceptional is becoming my norm. We will have to wait and see what the future brings. On the other hand trading is going to slow a bit with the upcoming holidays in the U.S.

Thanks again everyone for viewing our web site and reading this forum.

Accidental double post Moderates please remove this post.

Hello Commgnc,

Looking good yes!
I just want to say I don't pop in here very often. I like the quieter and non combative forums more.
Keep up the good work and thanks by the way!

Thanks CKMM,

Really hate getting into defensive battles. They are usually pointless battles. Also, it seems in some cases the naysayers are the scammers trying to call out the good programs so they can collect all the money and run. Also, most of them use aliases so it isn't easy to pick up on.

Thanks again CKMM, We are getting near end of quarter 4. Hope to surprise our owners for Dec. Still to early to tell though for sure. Appropriate the confidence you have in our company.

Trade results for 11/16 - 11/21

This was a ruff trade week but still ending the week in the green.

Thanks again everyone for viewing our web site and reading this forum.
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Trade results for 11/23 - 11/28