Hello all,
I came across another fine program and wanted to share the information with you:
http://casinvest.com/?sp=DOOGI-7233R
from their homepage:
* Progressive weekly profit: 10% 15% 20% 25% 30% by week = Double in 5 weeks!
* Compounding profit every 5 weeks
* Weekly payments
* Capital is always available without penalty
* You may invest in USD or/and Euro
* E-currencies and bank transfers are accepted
* Referral Program
looks professional for me, as they have telephone support in different languages and are incorporated in Belize.
Surely worth more then a try for me
would be nice if you'd enter my sponsor ID upon registration:
DOOGI-7233R
will keep you posted
Doogie
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It looks very Professional.
USA +1-501-641-7182 Austria +43-820-901-181268 Ireland +353-818-423769 Italy +39-1997-07073-1755 Casinvest is managed by Jan Loos S.A., a Belize company (Incorporation 68,992), 7 Craig Street in Belize City. The Casinvest program is managed by Albert Angus, a senior executive of Jan Loos S.A. The Casinvest support is managed by Roy Amaron. On a case by case basis we can arrange a direct phone call with Albert Angus or/and a meeting with Jan Loos. Please contact us.  Just opened an account and will invest some fund later.
hope will hot soon...
only problem I have is: the reflink is a http Link, but MMG strips http and therefore my ref-link is not working properly
 Could you be so kind and enter my sponsor ID manually, upon registration? much appreciated! Doogie
seems professional
 and reasonable plan .... who is admin ?
don't know him yet, but will send the default questionaire that I provide in my german forum.
Will report back when I got the answers Doogie QUOTE(doogie_at @ Mar 12 2008, 01:37 AM) [snapback]4744142[/snapback] only problem I have is: the reflink is a http Link, but MMG strips http and therefore my ref-link is not working properly Could you be so kind and enter my sponsor ID manually, upon registration? much appreciated! Doogie Try this one . http://lnk.bz/
thx!
just got in contact with the casinvest support, they will fix it so that the ref-link will work even with http:// but thx anyway, always good to have another solution ready! Doogie
good rate
anyone like weekly payment?
ok, got my first payment to my egold account --> referal commission
so, thats working fine Doogie
hi all,
just received the filled questionaire I sent, if someone is interested: QUOTE > Please tell us your name and your position in the invesmtent program.
I am Roy Amaron, specialist of Public Relations and working for "Jan Loos S.A.", especially for the Casinvest Support. I received a special information from Mr. Loos to be able to reply to the Clients, so I am happy to return your form. - Can you name a company or person that is the legit owner of your Program? Mr. Jan Patrik Loos is the General Director of "Jan Loos S.A.", an offshore Belize company. "Jan Loos S.A." owns and runs Casinvest. - Can you provide any insight in your documents like company or trading reports, or registration information? Registration information for sure, our certificate of incorporation is published on the Casinvest website, and Mr. Loos agrees to send an extensive package of documentation to Investors who wish to invest large amounts or who manage investment clubs. Please contact me privately for this. > Is there a office adress and/or telephone number where people could contact your company directly? We publish a few phone and fax lines in Europe and North America on our website, but we do prefer online Support. Nevertheless we can arrange phone conferences or meetings with Mr. Loos in special cases. > How is the profit that you pay your investors achieved? We invest in online casinos and online betting systems. > How long is the company in business already? Mr. Jan Loos S.A. is a new company especially registered for running Casinvest. Mr. Jan Loos is the General Director of another offshore company that runs a few online casinos, some of them running already a few years, but I am not allowed to communicate on this topic. > How long is it online? Some days! > Can you please share the historical record of profit with us? There is no historical record as we just opened. > What do you expect from the future profits? The future profit will stay at 100% in 5 weeks. Sure Mr. Jan Loos S.A. makes more than this, online casinos are really an incredible source of profit. But as far as I know, 100% in 5 weeks will remain unchanged. > How many people are working directly on making profit in the company? (eg. traders...) We do not TRADE! We are not a trading company but invest directly in the gaming industry. Mr. Loos and his financial advisors manage the funds we bring with Casinvest, injecting them directly in new casinos and betting systems. > What is the past record/experience of that people? Mr. Jan Loos has about 12 years experience in the gaming industry. He is the owner of a few online casinos through various offshore companies, and is really THE guy who knows "how it works". > How much of your capital is used for trading at the moment? None! The Casinvest project is not an usual one: We want to raise $10M (10 million dollars) to open a brand new network of gaming and betting sites. The funds are of course injected in existing systems when we receive them, but the goal is to raise $10M to create a major new system that will be known worldwide. > Is there something like a reserve- or backup fund to cover losses? We keep 15% in a special guarantee fund, but you know, investing in casino isn't like investing on the forex where you can lose all in one day! Online casinos are incredible money machine, but.. Not for the players, but for companies who invest there! Guarantee well... Ok, we all know that a major financial crisis is coming, right? And know what? NEVER the gaming industry has been more wealthy than during financial crisis! > How often are payouts done usually? Accounts are updated every week, and you can withdraw your funds every day, at any time. > Are there months with losses instead of profit? No historical profit, but did you ever see a casino LOSING money? > Where do you host your servers? We rent a server on a major network in North America, with special security features. > How frequently are backups done? Every 30 minutes. Backup files are encrypted and sent to another server where they are stored. > Do you have backup servers to deal with unexpected downtimes? Currently no but as you probably know, renting a dedicated server takes an hour or so, installing our files will take 30 minutes, so the downtime will never be long. > in case of downtime of the website, would payouts still continue? Sure yes, despite it will be less convenient. But as told above, one or 2 hours downtime will never hurt any investment program :-) Best regards, Roy Amaron Casinvest Support http://casinvest.com
Thank you for this site!! I miss this sport betting sites!! Hope it will be here for a long time!
wiil invest here.
QUOTE(Paidme @ Mar 12 2008, 04:36 PM) [snapback]4745828[/snapback] wiil invest here. Good luck! Please vote here after your receive paid ! QUOTE(nowhyipadmin @ Mar 12 2008, 10:23 PM) [snapback]4746359[/snapback] Good luck! Please vote here after your receive paid ! I'd like to vote, as I got paid my ref-comm... but where can I do this in your monitor? didn't find casinvest... Doogie
Yes, program looks proferssional...but why Admin isn't in MMG forum???
I just invited him and sent him the link to this topic, so he'll propably join the discussion
Doogie
another ref-comm payment received,
very pleased at the moment  hope admin will join in here soon Doogie
they offer flash banners for advertizing...
anyone know if I can use them here for my MMG signature? didn't figure it out how... thx Doogie I affiliated 65$!!!! Interesting program!! GOOD LUCK! QUOTE I affiliated 65$!!!! wow, nice figure! I only got some small referals yet, but hoping for many more of course this program is growing hot! Doogie
Hi all,
I just had a quick chat with their support, they say that the already tried to register, but are still waiting for an activation link maybe a MMG admin can help them to join us? Doogie QUOTE(doogie_at @ Mar 15 2008, 03:31 PM) [snapback]4753053[/snapback] Hi all, I just had a quick chat with their support, they say that the already tried to register, but are still waiting for an activation link maybe a MMG admin can help them to join us? Doogie His account has now been validated.
Hello!
Thank you Admin to have activated my account, don't know why I never received the email. I was invited here by "Doogie_at", so I am here and will be happy to reply to your questions. Please, only general questions: All questions about personal accounts should be sent through the Message System of each Casinvest account. I wish good investments to everybody, with Casinvest of course! Sincerely, Roy
hello admin,
good to have you here! keep up the good work Doogie
Hello!
Well it is true that adding sponsor links on a Flash banner is not so easy, so finally we made a 468x60 GIF banner It is available with all our banners, just click on "Banners" on the home page of Casinvest For the newbies who don't know us yet, it is at http://casinvest.com Best, Roy
thx roy,
already embedded it in my signature Doogie
Just received a newsletter.
Scary to think that he is propably right about the financial markets Doogie QUOTE Dear Casinvest Investors,
Here are some short news about Casinvest: As most of you already saw, we have Flash banners. But as some sites do not accept them, we also got today animated GIF banners. Feel free to link to them, adding of course your sponsor link to receive commissions. All banners, GIF and Flash are on our banners page. Just connect to our homepage and click on "Banners". Our website is in English language, please contact Roy Amaron at our Support Center only in English. We have made translated a small "manual" of Casinvest into German, French, Russian, soon Italian Spanish and Hindi. But please use English to contact us. Thank you. To administrators of promotion services: We advertise Casinvest in many places, but of course cannot everywhere. We select some websites according to their traffic (Google and Alexa give some good rating) and the quality of their design. I kindly ask all admins of promotion sites to not send us more than one email to invite us to advertise with them. We check all sites, then decide. Sending us 10 or more emails is the best way to be put in blacklist! Please also note that we are definitely not interested by services like "posting on forum", or "voting for Casinvest". No need to contact us about this, thank you. Some of you already received payments, for commissions. If you participate to some discussion forum about Casinvest, you may of course confirm that you have been paid! Add your direct Sponsor link to get new commissions! Jan Loos, the General Director of Jan Loos S.A. that operates Casinvest will be happy to talk with you by phone, every week. The exact schedule will be announced on our Support page on the Casinvest website. Roy at our Support Center asked me to add the following: * Do not forget to "CONFIRM" that you have sent the funds, after you have registered a new investment plan. Your account will be updated faster. * Note that your accounts are not updated automatically after you have sent the funds. It can take from some minutes to a few hours for we update it. Thank you for your patience. As you could see, today has again be a black day on the financial markets. The dollar collapses, and the euro rate seriously hurts the European countries economies. Financial markets plunge, and sad to say but it is only the beginning. The gaming industry (Casino, gambling, betting services) is not concerned at all by such crisis, it is even stimulated! Be sure to take profit of this opportunity! Best regards, Albert Angus Jan Loos S.A.
just wanted to show you my latest payouts by casinvest
 many thanks to Casinvest! Doogie QUOTE(doogie_at @ Mar 18 2008, 09:00 AM) [snapback]4759388[/snapback] just wanted to show you my latest payouts by casinvest many thanks to Casinvest! Doogie Congratulation you,sir
hi all,
finished the first week, set to compounding, everything looks fine at the moment, profit was added as expected. Tomorrow is my other payday for the second plan, set to payout instead of compounding hope everything will work out fine, too, but I am very confident on that. thumbs up! Doogie
just received my first real profit payment,
was a little bit confused,because this morning I found it compounded, altough I had set it to "pay my weekly profit". Support said that that would be normal until 3 pm GMT, when the automatic calculation does the payouts and voila, there it is everything correct now, and free to withdraw Doogie
hello all,
I set my second plan to "compounding", just to let it ride a little, had my payday yesterday and everything worked out fine, so I'm expecting 15% for this week Doogie
hi all!
they now offer compensation to every investor that advertises Casinvest on their monitor sites Check out their offer at their website! Doogie
according to their last newsletter, they automated the voting commissions.
You can now vote for them, and ask for payment through a special form in the message center nice move, well done An easy earned dollar each day Doogie
I received first paying!!
QUOTE Date: 3/30/2008 20:36 Batch: 2276732 From Account: U5494771 Amount: $81.25 Memo: casinvest.com Thanks administrations. Good work. QUOTE(Arhivarius @ Mar 30 2008, 01:59 PM) [snapback]4785402[/snapback] I received first paying!! Thanks administrations. Good work. hey, impressive number, I'm sure we'll see many more of them! just received a weekly payment, not that much as yours, but not bad either! regards Doogie
just came in:
QUOTE Dear Casinvest Investors, I am happy to bring you some short news from Casinvest! First of all, we are still growing and growing: The total of invested funds is now about USD 102.000 and EURO 74.000. For those counting in USD, the total is about USD 220.000, and if you prefer count in EURO, the total is about 138.000 EURO! Not so bad after just a few weeks online Many of you are already voting for Casinvest on our selected monitoring sites. Don't forget that we pay you to vote, IF of course you invested into Casinvest! Our payment fees have been updated today, based on our observations of monitoring sites. Please carefully read the rules before submitting your payment for votes request, all requests that do not match with all our rules are just ignored. Going with our success, we already noticed a few attempts of cheating, especially by violating our sponsoring rules. In this case, we simply apply our rules: The accounts are canceled, we refund them after deduction of the already paid amounts and a 25% processing fee. Really guys, taking such risks for a 2% commission is not very serious assuming we pay a minimum 10% commission in one week! But if you want to take the risks... Just do it We already noticed a few attempts to cheat our software by registering investments that are never paid, and trying then to withdraw the funds that have never been sent! Some guys have a great imagination, but it doesn't work. In this case, the accounts are just deleted, and if some other funds were really sent before this cheating attempt, they are just lost for the Casinvest scammer. Risky, hey? But it is great to see that most of our Investors really love our program and invest in it "just to double in 5 weeks", as one of them told Roy some days ago! Yes, "JUST TO DOUBLE IN 5 WEEKS"! What should we ask more! I wish you a great week-end! Sincerely, Roy Angus Casinvest Manager I love the part talking about the scamming tries... risking all for just 2% commission, how sick is that? Doogie
looks like they are cracking the 100.000€ today as well...
I know, I know, for the overall investments you have to sum up $ and €, so the are at almost 300.000$ now, not bad. Doogie
Wow, THAT was really quick, only two hours gone and they gaines more than 5K€ !!
things seem to take up speed here! good work Doogie
Batch: 244781*
Got paid. Thanks honest admin.
** Sie finden die Deutsche Fassung weiter unten **
Dear Casinvest Investors, I want to bring to your attention the following: This early morning we have detected a violation of our sponsoring rules done between 2 people. One was the sponsor of the other one, and we noticed that all their payment requests were done at the same time with just a few seconds of interval, and from the SAME IP address. It shows clearly that ONE person managed BOTH accounts, that is a blatant violation of our sponsoring rules. The concerned accounts are: TRAVE-1586N and THOMA-7247A This morning I asked explanations to both people, saying that: 1- Both accounts will be canceled and refunded (Invested amount after deduction of funds already paid) 2- I am waiting their explanation to decide if we apply mthe 25% penalty fee as it is explicitely said on our website. (ADDENDUM: Our original email to the 2 persons, at the end) We received the reply from travel-planet@xxxxxxxxxxx (Account TRAVE-1586N) in German language, and here it is translated into English: ** Begin ** it's correct that aco**** THOMA-7247A belongs to my brother in law. He was the one that introduced me to casinvest and is not living in the same household. After all, he has no internet access at the moment, that's why he accesses his account via my pc. I ask you to immediatly perform all pending egold transaction in the next 24 hours, otherwise I'll inform my whole downline. This downline is apparently not very small! I would inform them that my trust in casinvest has been heavily damaged and suggest to withdraw all deposits at once. In excess, they should inform their downlines as well. I expect both account fully operational by tomorrow, otherwise my newsletter will inform 350.000 adresses. We didn't do anything to harm Casinvest, we even helped you much! Is that how you thank someone who propably built the biggest downline in your company? Travel Planet Michael Pirmer ** End ** Our reply is clear and without doubt: 1- It seems hard to believe that THOMA-7247A really introduced his brother in law to Casinvest, as the "brother in law" TRAVEL-1586N seems to manage an investment club. The contrary would have been more credible. 2- We noticed all connections to manage both accounts, at the same time with a few minutes of interval, from the same IP address. So, the "has no internet access AT THE MOMENT" is not very credible. If the reply would have been "We didn't realize that we violated our rules", we could have reconsidered our decision. BUT as the reply is a clear attempt of blackmail, we cancel both accounts. Jan Loos, the General Director of Jan Loos SA who manages Casinvest will decide himself what to do with the balance, funds are blocked for the moment. And to "Is that how you thank someone who propably built the biggest downline in your company?" I will just reply that: 1- It is not the biggest downline 2- And even if it would be the biggest downline it doesn't allow him to violate the rules AND to try to blackmail us. The rules are the same for EVERYBODY, small or big investor, alone or inside am investment Club. No difference at all. Our position is clear: We will NEVER pay to ANY attempt of blackmail. The fact that one of the 2 people who violated our rules is a famous spammer specialized in "MLM marketing" based in Eppingen, Germany, does not change anything: Respect our rules, or do not join Casinvest! Best regards, Albert Angus, Program Manager Roy Amaron, Support ********************************************************************* ADDENDUM: My original email To: travel-planet@ To: thomasXXXXXX@ Hello, We noticed a violation of our SPONSORING rules with the accounts TRAVE-1586N and THOMA-7247A TRAVE-1586N is sponsored byTHOMA-7247A We had suspicion when we noticed that payment requests for both accounts are always done at the same day at the same time with only a few seconds interval: For example: TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/6006115/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EG]/EUR 0.74 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/1971221/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EG]/USD 2.00 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/3496410/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EG]/EUR 1.44 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/8644259/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EG]/USD 2.22 THOMA-7247A/E-bullion/x/1276351/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EB]/USD 20.00 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/8495246/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EG]/USD 10.00 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/9153002/Fri Mar 21/5/Pay Comm [EG]/EUR 3.00 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/1221156/Fri Mar 21/5/Pay Comm [EG]/USD 4.20 THOMA-7247A/E-bullion/x/6952366/Fri Mar 21/5/Pay Comm [EB]/USD 2.80 [etc] TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/2997476/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Comm [EG]/EUR 11.98 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/3679501/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Comm [EG]/USD 5.16 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/5708549/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Profit [EG]/USD 450.00 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/5241431/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Principal [EG]/USD 1,000.00 THOMA-7247A/E-gold/x/9838559/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Profit [EG]/USD 450.00 THOMA-7247A/E-gold/x/2053119/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Principal [EG]/USD 1,000.00 The clear evidence came when we noticed that the same requests for payments have been done at the same time from the same IP address: TRAVE-1586N: terminate ***** 87.173.224.82 THOMA-7247A: terminate ***** 87.173.224.82 THOMA-7247A: compounded ***** 87.173.224.82 That shows clearly that both accounts are managed from the same person. According to our rules, both accounts are cancelled, refunded withour profit and with a 25% deduction fee. TRAVE-1586N: Invested: USD 1230 Paid: USD 0 Commissions paid USD: 63.68 Commissions paid EURO: 166.68 = USD 262.90 To Pay = 1230 - (63.68 + 262.90) = 903.42 THOMA-7247A: Invested: USD 5000 Already paid: USD 3300 Commissions paid USD: 22.80 To Pay = 5000 - 3300 - 22.80 = 1677.20 Both accounts are going to be canceled and refunded. Albert Angus, our program manager, is waiting your explanations to see if we apply the 25% penalty fee as told in our program. We offer a great opportunity to make money quickly, BUT there are rules and we have a NO tolerance for any violation. Best regards, Roy Amaron Casinvest Support https://casinvest.com Sehr gehrte Casinvest Investoren, Ich möchte Ihre Aufmerksamkeit auf folgende Gegebenheit lenken: Heute morgen haben wir einen Verstoss gegen unsere Sponsoren-Regelung durch zwei Mitglieder entdeckt. Ein Mitglied hatte das andere geworben und wir bemerkten dass alle Zahlungen die diese Mitglieder angefordert haben immer gleichzeitig bzw. mit wenigen Sekunden Verzögerung und von der selben IP Adresse aus getätigt wurden. Dies weisst eindeutig darauf hin, dass beide Accounts von der selben Person verwaltet worden sind, was ebenso eindeutig ein Verstoss gegen unsere Regeln darstellt. AUs diesem Grund habe ich heute morgen eine Erklärung von beiden Mitgliedern eingefordert, mit folgender Ankündigung 1- beide Accounts werden gelöscht und die Einzahlungen zurückerstattet (abzgl. aller geleisteten Auszahlungen) 2- ich erwarte ihre Erklärung um zu entscheiden ob die 25% Bearbeitungsgebühr hier schlagend werden wie in unseren Regeln hinterlegt die Accounts die betroffen sind lauten TRAVE-1586N und THOMA-7247A Wir haben folgende Antwort von travel-planet@xxxxxxxxxxx (Account TRAVE-1586N) erhalten: *** Hallo, es ist richtig, THOMA-7247A ist mein Schwager. Von Ihm habe ich Ihre Internetadresse, er hat mich gesponsert. Mein Schwager wohnt nicht im gleichen Haushalt. Er hat jedoch derzeit keinen Internetzugang, weshalb er seinen Account von meinem PC aus verwaltet. Sollten nicht binnen 24 Stunden alle beantragten Auszahlungen ordnungsgemäß auf unseren Egoldkonten eingehen, werde ich meine gesamte Downline informieren. Diese Downline (TRAVE-1586N) ist nicht gerade klein! Ich werde mitteilen, dass mein Vertrauen nachhaltig gestört ist und empfehlen, sofort alle Investments zu kündigen und auszahlen zu lassen. Darüberhinaus werde ich empfehlen, weitere Invstoren ebenfalls darüber zu informieren. Ich erwarte den Fortbestand beider Accounts und pünktliche Auszahlungen, andernfalls wird der entsprechende Newsletter (Empfängerzahl: ca. 350.000) spätestens morgen versandt. Wir haben nichts getan, das Ihr Unternehmen schädigt, im Gegenteil! Ich vermute, dass ich die größte Downline in Ihrem Unternehmen aufgebaut habe, Ist das der Dank ?? Travel Planet Michael Pirmer *** Unsere Antwort ist klar und deutlich: 1- Es ist nur schwer glaubhaft dass THIMA-7247A wirklich seinen Schwager zu Casinvest geführt hat, da sein Schwager TRAVEL-1586N scheinbar einen Investmentclub führt. Das Gegenteil scheint uns wahrscheinlicher 2- Wir haben festgestellt dass alle Verbindungen die sich in beiden Accounts angemeldet haben zur fast der gleichen Zeit mit der gleichen IP stattgefunden haben. Damit ist die Theorie" hat ZUR ZEIT keinen Internetzugang nicht sehr glaubhaft Wäre die Antwort gewesen "wir waren uns nicht bewusst dass wir ihre Regeln verletzt haben" hätten wir unsere Entscheidung eventuell überdacht. ABER da die Antwort ein eindeutiger Versuch der Erpressung darstellt werden beide Accounts gelöscht!. Jan Loos, der Geschäftsführer von Jan Loos SA und somit auch von Casinvest wird persönlich über das weitere Vorgehen bzgl der verbleibenden Gelder dieser beiden Account, die bis auf weiteres geblockt sind, entscheiden. Und auf die Frage, ob das der Weg wäre wie wir denjenigen danke, die wohl die größte Downline errichtet hätten möchte ich nur folgendes antworten: 1- es ist NICHT die größte Downline! 2- und selbst WENN es die größte Downline gewesen wäre gibt das niemandem das Recht die Regeln zu missachten UND jemanden zu erpressen! Die Regeln gelten für ALLE, kleine oder große Investoren, alleine oder in einem Investment Club. Ohne Unterschied. Unsere Stellung ist eindeutig: wir werden uns NIEMALS einem Erpressungsversuch beugen! Die Tatsache, dass einer der beiden Mitglieder die die Regeln gebrochen haben ein bekannter Spammer im Bereich Multilevel Marketing aus Eppingen, Deutschland ist, ändert nichts daran: Respektiert unsere Regeln oder treten Casinvest bitte nicht bei mit den besten Grüßen Albert Angus, Program Manager Roy Amaron, Support QUOTE (Casinvest @ Apr 11 2008, 11:41 AM)  ** Sie finden die Deutsche Fassung weiter unten ** Dear Casinvest Investors, I want to bring to your attention the following: This early morning we have detected a violation of our sponsoring rules done between 2 people. One was the sponsor of the other one, and we noticed that all their payment requests were done at the same time with just a few seconds of interval, and from the SAME IP address. It shows clearly that ONE person managed BOTH accounts, that is a blatant violation of our sponsoring rules. The concerned accounts are: TRAVE-1586N and THOMA-7247A This morning I asked explanations to both people, saying that: 1- Both accounts will be canceled and refunded (Invested amount after deduction of funds already paid) 2- I am waiting their explanation to decide if we apply mthe 25% penalty fee as it is explicitely said on our website. (ADDENDUM: Our original email to the 2 persons, at the end) We received the reply from travel-planet@xxxxxxxxxxx (Account TRAVE-1586N) in German language, and here it is translated into English: ** Begin ** it's correct that aco**** THOMA-7247A belongs to my brother in law. He was the one that introduced me to casinvest and is not living in the same household. After all, he has no internet access at the moment, that's why he accesses his account via my pc. I ask you to immediatly perform all pending egold transaction in the next 24 hours, otherwise I'll inform my whole downline. This downline is apparently not very small! I would inform them that my trust in casinvest has been heavily damaged and suggest to withdraw all deposits at once. In excess, they should inform their downlines as well. I expect both account fully operational by tomorrow, otherwise my newsletter will inform 350.000 adresses. We didn't do anything to harm Casinvest, we even helped you much! Is that how you thank someone who propably built the biggest downline in your company? Travel Planet Michael Pirmer ** End ** Our reply is clear and without doubt: 1- It seems hard to believe that THOMA-7247A really introduced his brother in law to Casinvest, as the "brother in law" TRAVEL-1586N seems to manage an investment club. The contrary would have been more credible. 2- We noticed all connections to manage both accounts, at the same time with a few minutes of interval, from the same IP address. So, the "has no internet access AT THE MOMENT" is not very credible. If the reply would have been "We didn't realize that we violated our rules", we could have reconsidered our decision. BUT as the reply is a clear attempt of blackmail, we cancel both accounts. Jan Loos, the General Director of Jan Loos SA who manages Casinvest will decide himself what to do with the balance, funds are blocked for the moment. And to "Is that how you thank someone who propably built the biggest downline in your company?" I will just reply that: 1- It is not the biggest downline 2- And even if it would be the biggest downline it doesn't allow him to violate the rules AND to try to blackmail us. The rules are the same for EVERYBODY, small or big investor, alone or inside am investment Club. No difference at all. Our position is clear: We will NEVER pay to ANY attempt of blackmail. The fact that one of the 2 people who violated our rules is a famous spammer specialized in "MLM marketing" based in Eppingen, Germany, does not change anything: Respect our rules, or do not join Casinvest! Best regards, Albert Angus, Program Manager Roy Amaron, Support ********************************************************************* ADDENDUM: My original email To: travel-planet@ To: thomasXXXXXX@ Hello, We noticed a violation of our SPONSORING rules with the accounts TRAVE-1586N and THOMA-7247A TRAVE-1586N is sponsored byTHOMA-7247A We had suspicion when we noticed that payment requests for both accounts are always done at the same day at the same time with only a few seconds interval: For example: TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/6006115/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EG]/EUR 0.74 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/1971221/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EG]/USD 2.00 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/3496410/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EG]/EUR 1.44 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/8644259/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EG]/USD 2.22 THOMA-7247A/E-bullion/x/1276351/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EB]/USD 20.00 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/8495246/Thu Mar 20/5/Pay Comm [EG]/USD 10.00 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/9153002/Fri Mar 21/5/Pay Comm [EG]/EUR 3.00 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/1221156/Fri Mar 21/5/Pay Comm [EG]/USD 4.20 THOMA-7247A/E-bullion/x/6952366/Fri Mar 21/5/Pay Comm [EB]/USD 2.80 [etc] TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/2997476/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Comm [EG]/EUR 11.98 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/3679501/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Comm [EG]/USD 5.16 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/5708549/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Profit [EG]/USD 450.00 TRAVE-1586N/E-gold/x/5241431/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Principal [EG]/USD 1,000.00 THOMA-7247A/E-gold/x/9838559/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Profit [EG]/USD 450.00 THOMA-7247A/E-gold/x/2053119/Fri Apr 11/5/Pay Principal [EG]/USD 1,000.00 The clear evidence came when we noticed that the same requests for payments have been done at the same time from the same IP address: TRAVE-1586N: terminate ***** 87.173.224.82 THOMA-7247A: terminate ***** 87.173.224.82 THOMA-7247A: compounded ***** 87.173.224.82 That shows clearly that both accounts are managed from the same person. According to our rules, both accounts are cancelled, refunded withour profit and with a 25% deduction fee. TRAVE-1586N: Invested: USD 1230 Paid: USD 0 Commissions paid USD: 63.68 Commissions paid EURO: 166.68 = USD 262.90 To Pay = 1230 - (63.68 + 262.90) = 903.42 THOMA-7247A: Invested: USD 5000 Already paid: USD 3300 Commissions paid USD: 22.80 To Pay = 5000 - 3300 - 22.80 = 1677.20 Both accounts are going to be canceled and refunded. Albert Angus, our program manager, is waiting your explanations to see if we apply the 25% penalty fee as told in our program. We offer a great opportunity to make money quickly, BUT there are rules and we have a NO tolerance for any violation. Best regards, Roy Amaron Casinvest Support https://casinvest.com Sehr gehrte Casinvest Investoren, Ich möchte Ihre Aufmerksamkeit auf folgende Gegebenheit lenken: Heute morgen haben wir einen Verstoss gegen unsere Sponsoren-Regelung durch zwei Mitglieder entdeckt. Ein Mitglied hatte das andere geworben und wir bemerkten dass alle Zahlungen die diese Mitglieder angefordert haben immer gleichzeitig bzw. mit wenigen Sekunden Verzögerung und von der selben IP Adresse aus getätigt wurden. Dies weisst eindeutig darauf hin, dass beide Accounts von der selben Person verwaltet worden sind, was ebenso eindeutig ein Verstoss gegen unsere Regeln darstellt. AUs diesem Grund habe ich heute morgen eine Erklärung von beiden Mitgliedern eingefordert, mit folgender Ankündigung 1- beide Accounts werden gelöscht und die Einzahlungen zurückerstattet (abzgl. aller geleisteten Auszahlungen) 2- ich erwarte ihre Erklärung um zu entscheiden ob die 25% Bearbeitungsgebühr hier schlagend werden wie in unseren Regeln hinterlegt die Accounts die betroffen sind lauten TRAVE-1586N und THOMA-7247A Wir haben folgende Antwort von travel-planet@xxxxxxxxxxx (Account TRAVE-1586N) erhalten: *** Hallo, es ist richtig, THOMA-7247A ist mein Schwager. Von Ihm habe ich Ihre Internetadresse, er hat mich gesponsert. Mein Schwager wohnt nicht im gleichen Haushalt. Er hat jedoch derzeit keinen Internetzugang, weshalb er seinen Account von meinem PC aus verwaltet. Sollten nicht binnen 24 Stunden alle beantragten Auszahlungen ordnungsgemäß auf unseren Egoldkonten eingehen, werde ich meine gesamte Downline informieren. Diese Downline (TRAVE-1586N) ist nicht gerade klein! Ich werde mitteilen, dass mein Vertrauen nachhaltig gestört ist und empfehlen, sofort alle Investments zu kündigen und auszahlen zu lassen. Darüberhinaus werde ich empfehlen, weitere Invstoren ebenfalls darüber zu informieren. Ich erwarte den Fortbestand beider Accounts und pünktliche Auszahlungen, andernfalls wird der entsprechende Newsletter (Empfängerzahl: ca. 350.000) spätestens morgen versandt. Wir haben nichts getan, das Ihr Unternehmen schädigt, im Gegenteil! Ich vermute, dass ich die größte Downline in Ihrem Unternehmen aufgebaut habe, Ist das der Dank ?? Travel Planet Michael Pirmer *** Unsere Antwort ist klar und deutlich: 1- Es ist nur schwer glaubhaft dass THIMA-7247A wirklich seinen Schwager zu Casinvest geführt hat, da sein Schwager TRAVEL-1586N scheinbar einen Investmentclub führt. Das Gegenteil scheint uns wahrscheinlicher 2- Wir haben festgestellt dass alle Verbindungen die sich in beiden Accounts angemeldet haben zur fast der gleichen Zeit mit der gleichen IP stattgefunden haben. Damit ist die Theorie" hat ZUR ZEIT keinen Internetzugang nicht sehr glaubhaft Wäre die Antwort gewesen "wir waren uns nicht bewusst dass wir ihre Regeln verletzt haben" hätten wir unsere Entscheidung eventuell überdacht. ABER da die Antwort ein eindeutiger Versuch der Erpressung darstellt werden beide Accounts gelöscht!. Jan Loos, der Geschäftsführer von Jan Loos SA und somit auch von Casinvest wird persönlich über das weitere Vorgehen bzgl der verbleibenden Gelder dieser beiden Account, die bis auf weiteres geblockt sind, entscheiden. Und auf die Frage, ob das der Weg wäre wie wir denjenigen danke, die wohl die größte Downline errichtet hätten möchte ich nur folgendes antworten: 1- es ist NICHT die größte Downline! 2- und selbst WENN es die größte Downline gewesen wäre gibt das niemandem das Recht die Regeln zu missachten UND jemanden zu erpressen! Die Regeln gelten für ALLE, kleine oder große Investoren, alleine oder in einem Investment Club. Ohne Unterschied. Unsere Stellung ist eindeutig: wir werden uns NIEMALS einem Erpressungsversuch beugen! Die Tatsache, dass einer der beiden Mitglieder die die Regeln gebrochen haben ein bekannter Spammer im Bereich Multilevel Marketing aus Eppingen, Deutschland ist, ändert nichts daran: Respektiert unsere Regeln oder treten Casinvest bitte nicht bei mit den besten Grüßen Albert Angus, Program Manager Roy Amaron, Support Hello, Admin Glad to see you support us on MMG Maybe you should add a new terms : Multiple accounts are disallowed on your FAQ page using large&bold front . QUOTE (Naale @ Apr 11 2008, 11:50 AM) Hello, Admin Glad to see you support us on MMG Maybe you should add a new terms : Multiple accounts are disallowed on your FAQ page using large&bold front . Hello! Well, NO, because multiple accounts ARE allowed, what is not allowed is sponsoring his own multiple accounts You know, we have a few problems with sponsoring. Our reaction depends of the attitude of the guy, in the respect of our rules. Sure, when the guy decides to reply by threats and ultimatum, well... It helps us to take the hardest decision! Roy
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Dear Casinvest Investors, As Albert Angus told you some hours ago, CASINVEST.com was stolen by the registrar ESTDOMAINS who tried to get money from us to give back the domain. We, Jan Patrick Loos and my team, never deal with crooks, and an official complaint has been posted to the ICANN, against EstDomains. Anyway, the most important is the Casinvest Project in which you are, dear Investors, directly involved. We are now online on https://casinvest.net ! Just update your bookmarks and visit your account, you will see that nothing has changed! All the Jan Loos S.A. team wants to say "Thank you for your patience and your support"! And now, show must go on: Welcome back to CASINVEST! Jan Patrik Loos General Director Jan Loos S.A. https://casinvest.net ********** https://casinvest.NET ********** Sehr geehrte Casinvest Investoren, Wie Albert Angus Ihnen bereits vor ein paar Stunden mitgeteilt hat, wurde die Domдne CASINVEST.COM von unserem ehemaligen Registrar ESTDOMAINS , der sie nur gegen Geld wieder freigeben wollte, gestolen. Wir, Jan Patrick Loos und mein Team verhandeln niemals mit Betrьgern weshalb bereits eine offizielle Beschwerde bei der ICANN gegen EstDomains eingereicht worden ist. Wie dem auch sei, die wichtigste Sache ist das Casinvest Projekt an dem Sie, liebe Investoren beteiligt sind. Wir sind ab sofort unter https://casinvest.net erreichbar! Bitte дndern Sie Ihre Bookmarks dahingehend und ьberprьfen Sie Ihre Konten, Sie werden sehen dass sich nichts verдndert hat! Das gesamte Jan Loos S.A. Team mцchte Ihnen herzlichst fьr Ihre Geduld und Unterstьtzung danken! The show must go on: Willkommen zurьck bei CASINVEST! Jan Patrik Loos General Director Jan Loos S.A. https://casinvest.net
Payment received on LibertyReserve From Casinvest!
Amount: $9 Batch ID: 2533167 Date: 2008-4-16
Got another payment fast . Thanks admin. You are still the best!
4/16/2008 23:39 2549413 U5494771 (Jan Loos) + $5.25
An interview with them is published on HYWD:
http://hywd.info/article1183_Casinvest%20-...0-Millions.html
piad me many time without delay, best online program
Date: 4/21/2008 07:01 Batch: 2638690 From Account: U5494771 Amount: $27.50 Memo: ADMIN-2954B
Very good support, payment received.
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