Mrudula,

I would wait until an announcement comes from RIOY, probably be on their
forum soon and get all the details, but if your in a rush Laura, is under Karl so
you should be OK to use her links. I just need a bit more info before continuing
cause' I committed to TOAN and Z-Link so I don't want to over extend.

Also need find out about the "recruiting" side of it and are the numbers going in
there like in the case of BG or wait for our leads to make up their minds about
joining these programs when they commit to RIOY.

Gord

Program who lose their basics?!? Hm, that's a warning sign...

I can't see anything on the RIOY Forum about any other programs.

I must have missed the thread.

Just about to do some Paypal chargebacks when i read this!!!



So it seems all we need do is ask for a refund and we will get it!

I will try this route 1st then if unsuccessful go ahead with the chargebacks!!!!

Would the person that posted this refund info please PM me the email address, since it was left out.

Thanks,
Russ

Anyone that hasn't gotten the email address can find it at BG under Support (if you haven't cancelled yet) or when you go to make a claim at Paypal it will be there also. However, when I cancelled my son's account a month ago I used this email with URGENT-URGENT-URGENT in the subject and never received an answer so I had to go through with the Paypal claim.


And as far as the new programs go here is the message from Mark at the RIOY forum:

Hi folks!

Ok, announcements are forthcoming about the new programs. Don't miss tonight's conference call as Karl will be explaining the changes. Don't worry if you can not make it for whatever reason I am recording and will post the calls later in the evening on this forum.

Just so you know, emails are going out inviting people to get signed up for the new programs. Some people may have received theirs others have not. Don't worry, no one is being left out. IF all goes well everyone should have an email by this evenings call.

I am asking that we please not discuss the new programs here until after the call tonight. Thanks!

========


This is one of my pet peeves about RIOY. Someone joins one of the other RIOY programs and then tries to get others to join up under them. Even sending to those who are not their personal enrollees. There is no set order from RIOY as to how to sign up or proceed. So you could bring many new RIOY members in through your own efforts and they could very well sign up under someone else in other RIOY programs. Not much incentive to promote RIOY.

The RIOY forum looks an awful lot like another forum from a program I was in a couple years ago. Everything is great. I am staying. etc....... That program collapsed and is no longer here. Not saying RIOY will no longer be here. But I just have serious concerns. Not counting the above concern about downline poaching.

1. RIOY did associate itself with BG in the first place. Anyone doing the least amount of due dilligence would have found out about Steve Sigmund run programs.
2. Linda Acosta is involved with Steve Sigmund (the extent of which is not known)
3. Linda is still a big part of RIOY
4. RIOY's $35 per month has seemed to produce little if any results for passive members
5. How many of the BG downline were actually "real" people? Is there anyway to really know? Was Linda really that good at recruiting or was it a ruse with the help of Steve? Remember that a lot of those signups came from RIOY members themselves who were recruiting and the signups went to Linda. I don't know how many RIOY members there are (or were) but if there were just 100 RIOY members who brought in just 1 (on average) apiece then that in itself would account for the 10 per day we were getting.....

With all the concerns above I have decided to cancel my RIOY membership at this time. Not ruling out ever rejoining if things change but I cannot in good conscience promote this any longer. I just got an ad from LJ today with all the hype about being in profit in 2 months and how the person got hundreds under them in a month. Had a link to a thread somewhere where 1 person raved about getting thousands in their downline. Made me a little ill reading it. LOL

For those staying in RIOY I hope things change for the better.

Ken

No posts about the new programs until
an official announcement from RIOY admin.

Big flurry of activity there last night about
the new programs but all deleted to wait
for the proper instructions how to join these
programs, etc.

That's the latest folks

Gord

I missed all that.

I suppose some people wanted to get in early. They might try to build themselves a big downline then think they can do without RIOY.

I'm already a member of the programs mentioned above but I'll be staying with RIOY.


Sheriff

Ken,
each and every point you raised here is valid and worth a thought.
Regarding anybody joining under anybody is my fav RIOY peeve too. There is nvere a clear instruction on right way of joining, not even in the forum. It is said u either get a link from Linda or your upline sponsor but that does not help.
U get emails from many uplines to join under them and you don't know whom to listen to and also the worst part would be seeing your personally recruited members alreday joining under someone.so all yr efforts are wasted.
Regarding no results 4 passive members, i posted that too in RIOY forum and Marek replied that they are working on new LCP and more advertsing etc.
Yes, there are a lot of questions abt Linda and the way she opeartes.I wrote her a strong email regarding BG payments last night and I also wrote a stinker to steve sigman on his email id!I happened to have it during one of the BG duplicate charge-claims. Waitiing for his reply. I made sure that I have irriatated him just the way he does!
Yes, we have a lot of questions and they must be answered.
Things are changing for better not only with forum but also support tickets replies are getting better. Remeber, poor communication was one of the issues when we joined and now atleast things have improved on that front. Similarly, things will get better on other fronts too.
I don't know about new programs launched so I cannot comment.
I am sure we can make this program better by staying in it, offering solutions and demanding answers when we need to.
But if people like you quit,then well.. I am sorry to see u go from RIOY...
When i write this, I just hope that things really get better with new programs and more importnatly with proper recruiting/joining system or else things will only end up in chaos.
Will keep u posted
Mrudula





Hi Gord,
No i am not in rush but Laura said that new programs are listed in RIOY forum and I could not find the thread anywhere. It is obviously not posted in the forum and I don't know from wher Laura saw it?It is a diffrent story if she has gt to know abt them through her"inside information''. I was worried that they were officially announced and I could not see them.
Today,I read Mark's announcemnt that they will be posted today. so yeah, i too will wait and watch ,particularly the recruting part. I don't want to end up promoting 8 programs myself!
So,let's wait for the official announcement from RIOY.
I am also going to write to paypal abt refund,let's not Steve Sigmna get away with our money and if he has to, atleast let's make it very difficult for him.
Mrudula

Mrudula,

Standing by as well, although I welcome
new programs got to see what this is going to
do to my bottom line. If they are compulsary(I think that's right)
there might be a problem

Gord

When I signed up fot RIOY I signed in Traffic Wave from the e-mail link. I then realised it was'nt the link from my sponsor. I was signed up with different sponsors in RIOY and Traffic Wave. I cancelled TW and signed up from my sponsors link which is in the RIOY back office. I sometimes wonder if any of my 65 leads have signed up from the RIOY e-mail and are in someone elses downline instead of mine.

I think the e-mail from RIOY should carry the sponsors ID links but it does'nt. Unless they have since changed it.

Sheriff

Hi Mrudula and Gord,

I didn't get the links from the forum. They may be posted there now though and I will check that out. I got them from someone who works with Karl (on a volunteer basis). I had emailed and called her because I was so upset because my downline really trusts me to steer them in the right direction and I felt like I let them down.

I received an official email today from RIOY that had those same links Elisabeth gave me. So Karl is my upline. I only gave the links to my downline.

They look like pretty good programs.

Gord...I couldn't return your PM. I tried emailing you again today.

Laura

The links are not up on the forum Laura and surely a volunteer would'nt just volunteer information, unless thats what volunteers do.

To put new programs in they have to be checked by admin and then the RIOY back office has to be updated so we can put our links in there. Thats where we will join from. If we join.


Sheriff

(I did'nt come up on a Christmas Tree)

I understand that but this woman does work for Karl because I have spoken to her before about other things. She was given the links from the admin and she happened to give them to me. That is all I know.

As I mentioned before, I received an official RIOY email today with those exact same links. I'm sorry, I did not come here to insult anyone. I am telling you what happened to me. If you do not believe it that is your choice but there is no arguing what actually happened.

Laura

Laura,

Don't get all frustrated and bothered with these posts. You go ahead with what you are
doing. The woman you referring to is doing support work for Karl and I
have had communication with her before so her info is correct.

Stiff upper lip and keep going.

Gord

Gord,
Sorry for bringing this up. Was she right on leaking new programs when there was no official word from RIOY on them ?I am sure even Mark must be knowing abt these programs since 2 days but he did not reveal them till the right time.This kind of behaviour makes things worse, in the past too, I ahve recieved many emails from uplines everyone promoting their links and already knowing abt programs to be added in RIOY.
I guess RIOY needs to form a system that is beneficial to everyone and not just to few people who happened to know some top people in the program and want to fill their matrices quickly for fast profits.
Nothing directed at you,Laura,so don't take anything perosnally please. This has happened many times before and unless RIOY works this out ,this problem will not be solved.
We should ake this to RIOY forum even though there is already one thread but not very helpful. I think everyone is confused abt this issue, so faster things are clear, wil be better for team-spirit of RIOY.
Mrudula

Yes, you are right,

I am sure it it wasn't her intention, Just excited to get going in the new programs
and let everybody know. My fault as well for going to the RIOY forum with questions
cause' I got a little warning from admin not to mention anything yet and all my posts
were deleted. Just causing a state of confusion.

On the other hand, Initial email from RIOY should of stated, not to proceed with any programs
even if they got out, till' accurate informaton about them is given.

So, back to waiting........

Gord

Mrudula,

I didn't think twice about it nor did I really know I was finding out about something I shouldn't have known. I checked back at my post where I did mention the names of the programs but I did say that people should get the links from their upline. Honestly, my intention was just to talk about it and nothing more.

I must admit though, not from you, but there tends to be an accusatory tone here and I am not used to that kind of thing.

I am a moderator on another forum and most definitely believe in treating people with respect even though you may not agree with them or don't believe what they are saying (which has happened to me here).

It's too bad because I like the idea of learning from people who come to forums and contributing your knowledge and ideas.

I'll probably be on the conference call tonight so hopefully we will here some great things about these new companies and keep the momentum for RIOY going strong.

Take care,

Laura

Personally, I feel that people should bail on this program. Why the principals aligned themselves with Steve Crook Sigman in the first place should be the primary head scratcher. It didn't bother them from the beginning until members started voicing their problems. Everyone knew that BigGorilla haven't paid most people since May of 2007. Yes, I said 2007!

If I was in your place I would of done the same Laura,
No communication from RIOY to say you couldn't yesterday.

Back to waiting.....

Gord

well

RIOY need to organize themself first, intially they went if for BG without finding out if it is good, and they just relied on one person Linda and she did nothing for us, rather made hellof money as we all were paying BG for 2-3 months, Remember apart form fast start bonus, and matrix income she gets $1500 for signing up 200 and more in BG, and we all were told to sing up under Linda

So undoubtedly she too was involved in scamming us and definitely hand n hand with Steve Scammer Sigman.

Later S4P/Savingshighway was intoduced again unofficially and we got mails from uplines to sign up but there was no word from RIOY officially and already one MMGer posted that she was scammed in one of these programs. I don't understand why RIOY take so much pain in selecting such tainted programs which no one has hears of

Now again confusion with these two programs and few are getting links and getting a top slot, why can't they opt for programs with good track records. If they are going for these two programs, what happened to s4p/savingshighway which earlier they thought of promoting and what will happen to those who signed up s4p/savingshighway.

RIOY is not at all good in communicating and few uplines tend to take advantage of this and send mails to all saying that she talked to Linda and asking all to sign up directly under her link, and as Mrudula said all our go wasted if our downlines go and sign up under them.

So these uplines including Linda is definitely not to be trusted and ONLY, I repeat ONLY interested in building their matrix and income and least care about income of theiwr downlines.

Why can't the proper channel be followed and every one sign up under their sponsor? RIOY though the concept is pretty good, but they failed miserably in implementing it and also in selecting the programs

richguy

Well they've sent out an email titled "First Come First Served" with the link to join under Karl.

So where does that leave us?

Well it does'nt help the members build a downline. I can see some of them making money from this and then leaving the RIOY which will make a bigger dent in the advertising co-op.

So what are we paying for now in RIOY. $35 a month to get downline members in Traffic Wave.

I'm already a member of these programs so I won't be signing up again.

exactly Sheriff

This is the question I had in mind, so why are people paying $35 for to RIOY and if RIOY dont get enough money, how can they advertise and how will the team grow

RIOY sent mails to all with their link, so they are getting all PS, and others in the team wont get any, so how would any be benefited, everyone will be limited to $30 a month and they can never ever dream of earning more than that, unless they try to recruit 3 PS, so one can earn at the most $30 from this, so why join under Karl, we can as well join any good team build (incidentally that is also under Karl).

Karl is again acting like Linda, getting all PS for himself, now how are they working for the team,m its beyond me

I agree Richguy,RIO is all done and I already cancelled my account. Seems like it is everyone for themselve so why do we need RIO? The only people that will make money is karl and linda,what happen to a system that brought in the referrals to be built under everyone? At this point I would not be suprised if Karl is just keeping the 35 dollar membership and not advertising with it...

I lost my respect for RIO when I noticed they were jumping in different programs without any real DD and those programs are basically just startups with zero credibility,plus there was no organazition as to how you join. Say what you want about bigorilla but atleast that was the only program that was well organized as far as signups and referrals go(just too bad it did not work out)

Yes Karl will definitely be able to retire in one year! Matching bonus on all personals in the one program.......All personals going to him in both programs...ouch!

Sponsorship definitely means nothing in RIOY sad to say.


Ken

We at MMGers are far far better than Karl/Linda as we all start a team build and we really work hard to give PS to every one, I really hate that with our effort Linda/Karl is benefited, let it be TOAN/TW/Freebie

I really don't understand why these guys should get the top slot when they are doing nothing for their downlines, instead they are making money from us

Since there was still several weeks before my next payment is due to RIOY, I have been sitting on the fence, even though RIOY has done absolutely nothing for me and charged me 105.00. Now after reading these posts, I am completely done with RIOY. Now I guess I need to decide whether to stay in TW since I have zero referrals there and all it is doing is costing me money.

Russ

Hi Suggestion 4 u Russ,
If you are cancelling RIOY ,use that money for advertising your Trafficwave links. With $35 you can do a lot like buying ggo-quality leads or upgrading to responsive safelists or placing ads in e-zines ,forums etc.
I don't think quitting TW is a good option for anybody serious abt making money as TW has a great affliation plan.
Give it a thought, just few hours of efforts and some money will bring you results, I am sure.
Mrudula

This is what the back office of freebie shows for personal referrals

Top Leaders in the Month of JanuaryRank Name Members Enrolled
1 Karl Green 226

So it looks like this guy and Linda have really taken full advantage of their memebrs in RIOY

Precisely RIOY was just a show window for these people to make money, RIOY actually meant nothing, they were/are using RIOY to increase the email database and lure more people to sing up with BG or other programs and make money.

Now the worst thing is that we are losing confidence with the programs they are promoting, may be ATU and freebies are good people, since it is being promoted by Karl/Linda, I wonder whether we will be paid.

Traffic Wave was one prog with a solid back ground which they have included in RIOY, otherwise all programs are totally new and any one hardly ever heard of. I suspect these people talk with the owners of these programs and work out a separate pay packet for promoting these programs, otherwise why shud they promote such programs unheard of.

I am not a member of RIOY (thankfully), but I have watched the way they operate.

I have serious doubts about the ATU opportunity....I received a BUNCH of SPAM
from one person that was advertising it lately (I beleive the SPAMMER is actually behind ATU)
He was a person that continuously SPAMMED me with scam cyclers! (the same ones that bjward always posts
in this forum) I wouldn't trust ATU at all.

I did joined freebie in Aravind's Team build, but seriously thinking of quitting it, don't want to be under Karl's Matrix, you never know what's in store, plus why shud he benefit from me, when none of us are benefited bcs of karl/linda

BTW many joined S4P/Savingshighway as Karl/Linda told so, now they are not talking of these two programs, what happened to these two, have they quit or stopped promoting.

Crazy, whats the guarantee that they will stick to these freebie/ATU and they will simply move on ignoring these.

Of course we too are in many programs but never ever stopped promoting or supporting our downlines, if the prog is good

I'm really disappointed with RIOY. I thought it was going to be something when I joined.

It seems its become every man for himself. Or every woman.


The way they've gone about the two new programs is all wrong. And whats with releasing the information to a certain few?





Think I might take a look in the Team Builders

Sheriff

Why do u blame Laura ? Blame RIOY for leaking out the information.If they were so particular about RIOY team build,they would have done it in an orderly manner.Even I got the link from Elisabeth,when I had sent a mail directly to Karl Green.

This would be a good plan if I only knew of what to use for effective advertising. My experience with advertising is it has been a complete waste of money. This is the reason I found RIOY appealing, because they were supposed to be doing the advertising for us, instead all they did was scam us.

Russ

I was thinking of not continuing with RIOY, but they have given me 3 new referrals in the onlineadnetwork since yesterday, so now I am thinking are they doing something new that is working, and should I stay for another month.

Tomorrow is when my RIOY subscriptuon is due again. I'm not sure what I'll do.




ladybird

Hoe does RIOY give you 3 refferrals in TOAN when its not part of the RIOY program


Perhaps if we all email Elisabeth we might get some insider information.

Well yes I believe it is part of RIOY.

Linda Acosta is the one who told me about TOAN and sent me the link to join and my sponsor is Karl Green. The email telling me I had new members in TOAN came from RIOY. I logged into my TOAN account and I have three members, one of them has upgraded and I have a commission waiting.




ladybird

As far as I'm concerned RIOY is doomed.

There's been a complete break down in comunications and its just become a stampede to join these programs.

It should have been thought out and the links implemented into the back office. By doing it this way there is just no way for the passive members to become a success in RIOY. If there had been a Co-Op with the Freebie Force links for each member advertised that would be different but no.

I've lost the will to promote RIOY and I'm past caring who I offend. What will happen now is that those who have jumped on the bandwagon will bail out of RIOY leaving the advertising pool even smaller.

I have not blamed Laura but the person she got the links from as these programs were not disclosed at the time when she already gave Laura the links. this according to post by mark when he told not tp disclose or discuss new programs but some people had alreday joined them.
I am talking abt that issue, nothing abt Laura.
Mrudula

Question about TOAN and who is above you.

Just wondering what the difference who is on or near
the top. As I understand it, It is first come first serve
from wherever they join, RIOY or this forum, we get
a commission from everybody that upgrades below us.

It could be your best friend two positions up from you
benefiting from your enrollment and you are collecting
commission from everybody that falls underneath you.

I'm in this to make money so I really don't care who is
where as long as people are joining and keeping up their
monthly fees. TW admin is running the show and he is an
honest man

So, am I missing something here....

Isn't making a commission first on everybodies mind.

Gord

Hello Everyone,

What a complete mess this is turning out to be, I should have listened

to Richguy in the first place at least he his honest and does what he says.


The new programmes delivered by email they were immediately deleted!!
once bitten forever smitten, its already been said they are out line there own
pockets to by taking full advantage of the members. Well my days are over
with RIOY I am cancelling my accounts that includes BG.



Regards,

Trevor.

Honestly the negativity is mutual. I feel if anyone continues with rioy that they will just continue filling lindas and karls wallets. Yeah some will probably get paid but overall nothing will really come of this. Really first of all why would a business man associate themselves with someone with a past like steves? Yeah so what they have a woman who is a mass recruiter (LINDA) but really honestly how much is known about her? What credibility does she have? From my knowledge she has not responded to me in many attempts and again why would she want to associate herself with a crook like steve? I don't know about you but I am tired of wasting money. This program is so done and I hope all see it. Again first impressions are over with and they blew it.

Well the RIOY cover up police are out in full force. I just went to their forum and tons of topics and posts have been deleted.

And I had to laugh at the following from Karl. Guess since they are having trouble recruiting they want the membership to do it for them. Neat. Have the membership do the recruiting and have the new ones sign up directly under Karl! Here is what I received:


Many of you are accomplished recruiters and all of you have friends
and relatives so while recruiting is not required you might want
to with a little extra incentive. So here are the rules for
our February contest.

Official Recruiting Contest Rules

1. The member who recruits the most Marketers who join RIOY,
TrafficWave, The Online Ad Network (TOAN) and All-Teamed-Up at
entry will receive first prize of $500.
2. The member who recruits the second most Marketers who join
RIOY, TrafficWave, The Online Ad Network (TOAN) and All-Teamed-Up
at entry will receive second prize of $250.
3. The member who recruits the third most Marketers who join
RIOY, TrafficWave, The Online Ad Network (TOAN) and All-Teamed-Up
at entry will receive third prize of $100.
4. RIOY staff members are not eligible to compete.

Karl Green
RIOY Founder

Mark Stubbins
RIOY Customer Service Manager

What a shame, these so called bunch of leaders offering these prizes for the recruiters under them, what so big in it, even MMGers can do this, but what they are doing for us is a question mark

Hey I have an idea, join a prog and announce prizes for those recruiting max under you and do nothing

RIOY new program TOAN
The Online Ad Network is moving along
with the new backoffice in place.

Joined Zlink yesterday, a new program
that falls under RIOY. A couple minutes
after joining recieved a commission from
profit sharing. I'm advertising the link and
getting paid for it as well.

Dropping one program and starting another
RIOY is back on track.

Program will be e.valuted for performance
from now on. IF a program is stallling or
losing it's ability to attract new members,
Admin will move on to another and members
on the bottom of the matrix on the last program
will be moved to the top of the new one.

Gord

Well folks, miracles do actually happen. Upon checking my email this morning, I found two paypal refunds from BG. Now this is not all three months that I requested, but I am going to call it good and be totally done with this situation.

Now if RIOY would do some type of a refund, I would be happy. Although going by the response to previous support tickets, I doubt that would happen.

Russ

I don't know if you put a Paypal claim on RIOY if it would do any good or not. They would probably CLAIM that they used your money for advertising although nobody really knows.....

I tried to file a dispute with PayPal for BG and after getting to the last step of the process, they said that this type of transaction is not eligible to be handled by the resolution center. Basically said to contact the seller and work it out with them as that usually gets the best results. Most of the subcriptions were charged to my PayPal credit card so I wonder if that has anything to do with it or are they just not messing with BG disputes anymore. Any ideas?

Hi Russ,
Did u ask for refund through CC comany or paypal?
I ahve written to Linda and Steve Sigman to give my commissions and more han 2 days, none of them has replied. I also wrote to BG support to give me their webhosting services. No reply yet.
I need to go ahead and ask for a refund too but which is a better way to go about it? CC or paypal?
Tks
Mrudula