I joined late Oct too....on the 29th but still no payments yet either....

waiting patiently......sort of lol


Mike

Hi Mike,
I joined on 26th Oct, never been paid yet on 3 months
I a waiting too...
Mruudla

I joined Nov1 and I am waiting not so patiently any more. No signups in TW, no payout on bigorilla- I am not impressed. If BG actually paid for all of the confirmed members in my downline as of Jan 19 that would be over $100 and I wouldn't be so unhappy with this. Gord joined before I did, has a few more in his downline and was paid $29? Come on this is ridiculous!

joined late october also... no payment received as of yet. waiting patiently.....

Nov. 11, same story here- NOTHING!!

If you haven't been paid yet then you need to contact Linda Acosta.

Just give her a couple of days to sort it out but you will get paid

Yeah right!!!

Here is my history with Linda

Called, got some kid that told me she was not there.

I called again a week later, she answered and told me she was with one of the program owners and she would call me back. Four hours later I called her back same answer and I was first on the list to call back. Never did hear from her.

Created a support ticket expressing mine and others in the forums concerns about Steve Sigman regarding him being a big scammer who has personally scammed me in the past. Her response was that she has never heard of anyone being scammed by him and do not listen to the people in the forums. Told her I have not been paid, to which she told me I was not due any payment and to call her if I wanted to discuss things further.


So I called her again and got message box is full.

I responded to the support ticket letting her know I tried to call, no response and that has been about a month ago.

This is all totally ridiculous, plus to top it off they are insulting the members by throwing the ones who have been paid peanuts, when most are owed about 100.00

I am growing very weary of this whole situation.

Oh yes, one more thing. They have locked the BG thread in the RIOY forum now, how convenient.

Russ

I joined BG on Aug 29th, 07 but anyway I agree with you.
Linda is even dropping the $25.00 min. this month to
give people some commssion. Interesting to find out
what the explanation is for this.

Think I gotta' change my nickname before everybody
turns on me.

Gord

When I exposed Steve Sigman and gave the link to many of his earlier programs in MMG to prove that he had scammed without failure and also searched google and gave links to prove that Steve is a scammer, none believed me, rather I was accused of spoiling a good program

Now it is all in front of you, every one is just getting paid peanuts after 3 months which will not even cover the next month fee.

Now I hv talked to a close confident of mine (aged 70 yrs) and she has been in this field for the last 15 years and the moment i took the name of Steve Sigman, immd reply was why are you joining a scammers prog.

And she further told the way he works, and no wonder why all of you are getting $10 and $20 every day you all see 10-20 downlines in BG, now I was startled when she told me how Steve works, and I think it is real. In reality it is just 1 or 2 and you just get the mails that 15-20 are joining just to give impression that the prog is doing damn good. Now the question is when you are getting 300 odd downlines in a month and for 3 months you get 900 odd why are you getting $10 or so.

Now it is upto to you whether to believe it or not

looks like Steve "The Scammer" Sigman is up to his old (well actually the same....he has ALWAYS done this) tricks!

Sounds like I have to cancel Bigorilla and give this opportunity up.

Your experience with Linda seems very frustarting. Just toay,I gt a reply to my paymnet inquiry from Linda that she will look into the matter as why I have never been paid.I was happy 2 get her reply bt after reading this I am worried again. If she is like this over the phone, what will she care abt follow-ups in emails.
I hope Linda and Karl will come up with some explanation on BG payment issues fast, before people lose their patience and drop out.
If what richguy says abt BG downline is true that they just project so many members joined just to creat the air while in reality there are not so many members ,it is shocking and it is cheating. But frankly, I wont be even surprised if that turns out to be true. Look at the paymnets they are making this month.
RIOY is a great concept and if implemented properly, it will work but they gotta choose programs very carefully. Trafficwave for one is a good choice but Bigorilla?I even suggested in RIOY Forum that they should immediately replace BG with some genuine program like TOAN as even it pays fast and is by Brian Roony but looks like RIOY is just hell-bent on continuing with BG despite it giving RIOY such a bad name, wonder why?
What i suggest now is that we write to Karl that we want to be part of RIOY but not BG and we MUST have that option available. We don't mind considering other programs but BG should be either removed or made optional as it does not have a good reputation and we are nt happy with it.
Tell me what you think of it.
Mrudula

No doubt the reputation is not good and even RIOY admin admitted to a shady past
and put Linda in to keep things staright. This was on a recent conference call.
I am a trusting guy but should listen to MMG members experiences with programs
to forewarn people.

On a positive note recieved emails this morn' explaining the situation (as promised)
Again my trustworthy side believes the explanation and changes are upcoming.
I am staying with RIOY and move on to the next program in line and hope the BG
problems get fixed quick.

A section of the email stated that a problem needed to be fixed with payments
of high commissions? (from BG owner) What's that all about with people wanting
payments

Bad timing bringing that out.

Gord

01-25-2008 Bigorilla Members -




Dear Little Gorillas,

There are hundreds of members who have had their subscriptions to BG cancelled due to new regs that Pay Pal and ALL OTHER credit card processors have had to implement having to do with backup funding using a credit card for payments and subscriptions.

We will be contacting you this week if you are on this list and offering you same positions to renew using other payment methods and also offering you some other specials so new we can't even publish them!

I assure you Bigorilla is working on new payment methods continually and after paying out over $11,000 in commissions this past week we aren't going anywhere too fast just out for more business.

Early this year we will be doubling the amount of free tools for you to use in the BG system to promote BG or any of your other programs, as well as implementing new payment methods we will be also repairing the glitch that is causing our commission payments to be too high.

You are happy? Excellent! So are we, thanks for bearing with us during the challenges we all deal with on a daily basis and being great BG customers!


Please make sure your commission payment options are correct under edit info, there are always lots of members we can't pay because you haven't entered your preferred method of payment for commissions.

Have a great weekend,

The Big Gorilla Staff

cgfamily, you may want to edit your post

cgfamily or any moderator,

edit the post of cgfamily, he copied personal information.
be careful!

Sorry my dear bigorilla, you search for all of Steve's prog here in MMG and also in google , you will realise all his program comes up with the same kind of **** here, exactly the same pattern, he comes up with excellent downlines to make people join and always comes with some kind of bug

This is his way of working, you can search MMG for his earlier programs and the comments of the member who joined that and repenting later

richguy



Do not worry, I changed his password and PMed him, it was lucky that I saw it before others changed his personal details, cgfamily take care in future

thanks guys for notifiying me...Thanks Richguy....

Thanks for the information Richguy

See what RIOY eventually does about this problem
that's obviously turning people off and get it fixed
before members leave.

Gord

Hi everyone: Just a short note to assure you that we are spending a whole lot of time these days analyzing 'the BG problem' and trying to come up with a solution. It's not as easy as "dump it and get something else". The something else has to do what we wanted BG to do from the start. Otherwise we'll just be going from bad to worse.

Here's the bottom line - we will either get things sorted out with BG so it works as we need it to, or we will find something else that does. If you think this has all been a pain in the butt for each of you, think about having 1100 pains, because that's what WE have got. We will find a solution, you just have to be patient.

Brian C

This post entered in error.

Good News! Moving forward!
It's going to work or onto another program

Gord

I really hope they can still stay with BG. we can earn from them right now, instead of waiting 2-3 months for the new program.
But, it's better late than never.

Lesson learned an $80 mistake into bigorilla was just canceled.
Thats just me though.
-rS

Not at all convincing Brian, its been 3-4 months that many have paid BG, and BG never bothered to answer any of the support tickets and often come out with one lame excuse or another and taking $20 from each every month just hoping that next month it will become better.

I wonder how come you went in for this prog, without doing who and what is Steve, yes you said you did rely more on Linda than Steve, but any one running a prog should analyse the prog more than who is promoting it.

I am also sorry to say here though many of us do appreciate and realise Linda is a great promoter, but many of us were let down here in BG and support issues were never answered or fixed.

I paid 3 months and even I was not able to log in and neither my account was fixed even after repeated tickets sent to Linda, I am not going to call Linda as it is not possible for we International to end up calling Linda and spend more money on this useless prog, so my 3 months subscription is down the drain, so does many of people here who paid 3-4 months fee and never got paid or paid peanuts.

So now it is crystal clear that BG is a big failure and one can easily figure out who is benefited, and though RIOY concept was pretty good but BG made the matters worse and even if you come out with new programs, people will hesitate to join and want to know the back ground of the prog more, as already one person posted in MMG started by "bigorilla" that she(nineteen - MMG nick) lost $2000 in one of the prog you are trying to promote, it is in MMG thread Referral section, its S4P or saving highway. Go and check for yourself

hehe i guess i saved another $20 compared to you
so guys wake up
stop dreaming

I clicked on the reply button prepared to bundle my anger toward both Rioy and BG in a single post. TrafficWave is still empty after 3 Rioy payments. Anyways, I don't care anymore,, I'm going to the fridge to get a nice cold beer.

it is a shame because the way linda recruited for bigorilla wa unbelievable,I would think that steven would want to have a great company with happy members... Because I got paid I will stay to see what the future brings. I am getting a lot of junk em

BigGorilla was always trouble. Picking BigGorilla should have been eveyone's first red flag in my view.

I haven't been on this forum in a few days and I am shocked by what I am reading. I only started RIOY less than a month ago. I already have 4 people in my TW downline (my own promoting) and almost 300 in BG. Should I assume now that I won't be paid from this?

Please help....I am promoting this program everywhere and I don't want to look like a scammer!

Laura

Steve Sigman is not a GOOD GUY! He is a crook who always runs his many many programs with the same style. Chalk him up in the same category as Phil Piccolo and just avoid anything created by Steve. Steve churns out program after program. BigGorilla had a ton of problem for a long time now and seeing BigGorilla as one of the programs here should have been a huge warning to people. Look for Steve and Phil to get together sometime in the future to cook up some stupendous nonsense program.

well Laura

here there are two groups one believes that BG will come up and the other thinks that Steve is the worst scammer, by now you will know who are who.

just try to read some more on Steve's program in this MMG thread and comments by members who have joined that program, and you will know what they feel and it is beyond doubt that going is not good in BG and after 3-4 months, people are not paid and paid peanuts when they have 1000 in their downline.

It is absolutely misleading and there should be absolute transparency as to how many are paid downliens, how many are free and how much one will get (like TW), and this is no big deal, if Steve wants to do. But these sort of things is a clear trade mark of Steve Sigman to scam people. He did exactly the same with earlier programs

So Go and read more on his earlier progs and what others feel there, you will get a clear picture for yourself

Hi Laura,

As your see, big problems with Steve and Bigorilla and RIOY is looking
into scraping it and move on to another program if problems persist.

Meanwhile this has nothing to do with Traffic Wave. Honest admin and pays out
consistently. You will get paid there.

BG is a big thorn in RIOY side right now and they are working on it.

They are in this to make money like you and can't do it without you
so something's gonna' happen.

Personally I am moving on to TOAN which is run by TW admin and
let RIOY straighten it out.

Congratulations on your TW signups though, did you get them on your own
or through RIOY.

Gord

Thank you Gord. So should I get out of Bigorilla? I would imagine I won't be paid until next month anyway, if it actually happens.

I really want this to work as I have been promoting it like crazy. All of my TW signups are my own from mostly my Squidoo lens and blog posts. I have been updating my progress and its been kind of fun.



I guess I should sign up with TOAN. I want to be able to tell my downline what they should do!

Laura

If you want stay with RIOY they require you to stay signed up with
BG until the smoke clears and see what they are going to do or
they will take you out of the rotator. I'm sticking with it to
see what they come up with as I am recieving commissions from
BG but not like promised.

I don't want you get in trouble with Admin of this forum like I did
so you should edit your post where you are referring to your
signature.

You probably recieved an email about RIOY new forum. I would
register there and a lot of up-to-date info and RIOY support
there answering people's concerns.

Anyway I'm interested in your recruiting method - gotta check it out

Gord

Thanks again Gord. I really do want to stay with the program and I believe it has real potential as long as they iron out the problems.

When should you normally be paid? Since I signed up on Jan 1, its says I have about 270 something members in my downline for BG. I would assume I should be receiving about $27 next month????

Since TW is not a problem, I won't worry about that.

I have 2 more people who are interested in this program (they emailed me yesterday) so I want to give them sound advice.

Gord...I signed up for the forum and will be on it as soon as they activate it for me!

Laura

Just received this in my inbox. How unprofessional is this?? I want to shed light in my experience with bigorilla. I jumped into this way before rioy and even then they had some problem with paying members and gave some excuses. Steve sigman sent a similar email giving you option to optout, so I up and left. MOnths later rioy was being touted and they had bigo as a co in their mix so i gave them a chance again. I have been in since oct and have not received jack and you know what the same ole song and dance is used as the same excuse. I have contacted biog 4 times and linda twice with no replies. Honestly I would be a fool not to jump ship now and suggest all do the same, also why would you promote this? Do you want others to just get scammed? Read the warnings here and stop giving this a chance? You are just buying them time to take one or two more payments from you. Honestly if this guy is a known scammer why should he change his ways?? As for me I am going to get as much possible of my money back, MAN THIS SUCKS!!

On another note, I honestly think rioy maybe had a chance but choosing to do business with bigo really damaged their image, enough to where i doubt that this will go anywhere because they will forever be linked to a scammer. Remember the saying of first impressions.

I hope everyone listens to the warnings but i'm sure there are some members that don't want to see the light and just want to stay optimistic about this. If you want to keep listening to excuses after excuses go ahead and go down with the ship. Just don't take others with you.
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Hi Dear Members,

I just wanted to congratulate those of you who are high enough in our payplan who grabbed some of the over $11,000 in commissions we paid out last week.

Those of you in our Step System and relaunching of BMP 360 are pretty lucky! Those of you making a fool out of yourselves doing chargebacks and fussing about MLM not being perfect ... God Bless You Too!

We Apes at Bigorilla say ... WEED YOURSELF OUT! The more of you who are babies, who use contempt prior to investigation, and who point the fingers cause MLM isn't perfect and Steve Sigman or Linda Acosta or any other LEADER didn't change your diaper or give you a rattle or nook today ... you can go away and stay away, and leave MORE MONEY FOR THE MEMBERS WHO DESERVE TO GET PAID.

Thanks, one big unsettled APE

WE LOVE OUR CUSTOMERS DON'T YOU KNOW THAT BY NOW??? <<<<<< THIS SOUNDS LIKE SARCASM

http://www.bigorilla.com/remove.php

Use that link to GET YOURSELF OUT OF OUR SYSTEM if you want to, and LOST MONEY, see if we care! If you cancel YOU MUST CANCEL YOUR OWN SUBSCRIPTION we are NOT going to do it for you.

Thanks and Good day, God Bless, and Bye for Now. We will be here a lot longer than the babies who try to badmouth us. Just GOOGLE STEVE SIGMAN or see the latest post at SCAM.COM for a real good laugh! Martha Hopkins For Steve and all the little monkeys at BG.

I wish I could say yes but unfortunatly that is not the case.

I had over 900+ members up to cuttoff date for commission payout
which was Jan 19th. I got paid $29.00 on only 290 members.

The explanation is Paypal problems with subscription payments that
is into the second month and a lot of people getting frustrated with
all of this and dropping out. Apparently this is happening with other programs as
well such as TOAN. Instead of a credit card backup people are
slowly changing over to a chequing account backup which works fine.
Tire-kickers and people that don't have the money to get involved
in the first place, are other issues.

So, they stay in the system for 30 days or longer but have not
paid their subscription.

For me, every month my commission goes up a bit so I'm staying
in.

That's what's happening in a nutshell. RIOY is working on the problem
and waiting for results.

Great blog by the way

Gord

I just returned from the RIOY forum and the same letter was posted. Mark Stubbins is apparently trying to deal with this fiasco and I actually feel badly for him. Personally, I have never seen anything like it from an actual company.

I am definitely going to stick it out and my PayPal account is linked to my bank as well. I'll be checking the forum daily to see how they are going to fix this problem.

Thanks for the complement on my blog. I've found that I really enjoy writing and probably get more sign ups from my blog than anything else!

Take care,

Laura

Anyone that is holding out hope that bigscamorilla will change its colors and become a good opportunity, please read this thread where I totally outed the SCAMMER Steve Sigman....just look at how he reacted and pay special attention to his $50k statement.......LOL......yeah right!

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Bigorilla-W...mp;hl=bigorilla

I received that email also.

All I can say is what an arrogant, contemptuous a hole. I have NEVER EVER received an email from the admin of a program like this.

This is the last straw for me.

I am done with this would recommend everyone else to cancel, cancel, cancel and show this jerk that you can't treat your valued members like this.

Thebeachworks....

Go to the RIOY forum asap. This is being addressed and they are working to do damage control. The new guy Mark Stubbins is a good leader.

They will work this out and notify everyone with the solution.

Take care,

Laura

On my way there now.

Russ

Does anybody have the link to the RIOY forum?

Here the best Sigman email of them all that Wealthtekk members got. He managed to rip us off there too. I swear this idiot is missing a few screws....

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dg9xw259_2g33qtsgt

Here is the forum link-

http://www.rioysystem.net/forum

Russ

Ok Thanks Russ.

Just to let everyone know, my post in that forum has ALREADY been deleted. This just keeps getting better.

Good to know Laura,


Gord

Hi do you know in what section of the forum of rioy they are addressing the damage control on bg

thank you

does anyone know what connection linda acosta has to steve the scammer? is she one of steve's buddies
that always get in on the top of his latest scam? he usually has the same crew at the top to make all the money.