Excuse me! I didn't realize you were worth researching...but from that post, I guess you are

Typical additude of someone who just wants to judge someone by one post because they dont totally agree with thier opinions.

Fact is most people here dont care if RM/DD/BS is a scam or ponzi or not. People just care if they make money and thier downline makes money.

Thats the key here.

I know, I have been telling Cattysha that for years. I believe people are mostly greedy. She believes they are mostly stupid. There is, of course, some crossover between the two. Some people can be both.

I am not aware at the time I made the withdrawal that there is such a rule.
I do read the announcement page every time I login but did not see such a rule that before withdrawal you must make new investment.

Couple of weeks before the withdrawal I read an investment vehicle that says you can invest only with new deposit money, you cannot invest with account balance money.
So I conclude I should withdraw as I can't use it for investment.

Definitely when I made withdrawal, there is no warning on the withdrawal page about not allowing to withdraw.

Such an important rule that can result in instant account termination and they don't highlight it during the withdrawal process? Can you imagine what kind of intention is that?

The intention is clear. It is to try to avoid paying anybody except shills.

Is it? Then why are there people in this thread who seem surprised that they've been ripped off? Some of them can't even admit it yet.

When you talk about 'most' people here, you are talking about those who know these are scams from the get go. I don't give a flip about those people other than to hope they lose big from time to time. It's all those unsuspecting downline that you pretend to care for. If you made 12000%, that means your downline was screwed bigtime.



Ummm...did I say that? Mostly they are gullible.

QQ1 how long you been a member ??

Do you actually know what you are doing ?

I am not a member cos they have too many rules ! but i can see from the site General Terms and conditions number 20 that the members are required to hold a minimum balance - it says in either chosen fund or account balance.

Think maybe you screwed up clambering to get the money ?

No but I thought you might have made a typo or spelling mistake.

[quote name='aspirations' date='Mar 1 2006, 08:23 PM' post='1400068']
I put in a withdrawal of over $58,000. on 1/23/06 and on 2/1/06 was locked out of my account. Please PM me. I have a lot of information.
[/quot

Hi,

Would you e-mail me with your info.

brickner
solo@columbus.rr.com

Thank You

Why do you always assume people have *downlines* in these things? One of the best ponzis for me personally was IT4US and they never paid referral commissions and you didn't have any affiliate link or other BS. Simple word of mouth of "I'm making X amount of money" was good enough. Of course it ran out of new money and became a total joke, but that's the way it goes. It's all gambling and timing.

NUK

Well, I ASSUME the reason that y'all advertise in your sig what scams you're in, is to gain a downline? No? Are you just bragging?

Some programs have referral commissions and others don't. Believe me, it's a lot easier for me to put a banner ad in my sig than answer a dozen or more PMs a day asking me what I am spending in currently.

NUK

Cattysha, I do not understand your attitude and where you want to go with it. Do you want to punish people for wanting to earn some extra money or do you want to help people not to get fooled?

I am confused about your intention here and at your forum. When your opinion of people that invest, gamble or play is greedy and are gullible, do that only counts for people using programmes that are a bit grey or those you have chosen or is it any kind of program that gives a gain or win?

By this I mean: Lotto and any other play and lottery people do ones or twice a week, betting on horses or bet at the betting office, (these schemes give all good gains for the winners but it a lot of losers and these games can be characterised are Ponzi but they are legal) buy bonds, shares, pay in pensions-schemes (kind of a Ponzi too), I can go on and on with Government run or other legal games and investments where some loses some wins and are all these people greedy or gullible?

I understand people working with various scams like 419 and various other frauds, warning and trying to educate people but I don't understand your intentions apart from insulting people.

I think it's good if you specify your intention behind your opinions, what do you intend to gain?
Have you been able to prevent a scam or someone from being scamed?

If you in your forum just want to make discussion about investments schemes etc its quite a lot of web sites that do that already and they allow both opinions so why yours, what makes that different?

This goes for all followers of cattyshaq.

PS. I could have posted this on your forum but it probably will have been deleted and I banned or would have got only one-sided response.

Apologise for airing my opinion so blunt.

Punish people? You mean the criminals who are running scams, or knowingly inticing people to join scams so they will profit? Sure I'd like to see them punished. But the "help people not to get fooled" part is the goal.



First of all there is no "those you have chosen"...I do not endorse ANY type of get rich quick program. NONE! ZERO! ZIP! NADDA!

There are two types of people (in my oppinion) who participate in these scams... scammers and scammees. So yes they are either greedy or gullible. The type of gain that is had from these scams is no different than the gain made from burgalars who climb through the window and rob you blind. I'm sure they do it for the profit too...



We are talking about apples and oranges. Legal VS illegal...there is no comparison.



Well, my intention is to warn people too. Calling me an idiot, when I was participating in my first and only scam, was the one thing that cut to the bone when I was trying to defend my participation in that scam with people like UVBINDUN. It made me look at what I was doing...and why I was willing to overlook so many problems that were plauging the scam I so believed in. The tactic worked on me...so it's what I do for others. Tuff love...you've heard of that, I'm sure...



Gain? Nothing. That what makes it so hard for y'all to accept what the people on my forum do. Sure we have prevented...or managed to close...several scams by reporting them to the webhosts or money exchangers...or the SEC or FBI...whatever works. Sometimes none of it seems to work...but we try anyway.



Well, most of those forums steer you to participate in programs that they endorse. I don't do that, and I don't allow any type of scam promotion on my forum. Anyone who tries to plug a scam on my forum quickly finds us tearing the scam to shreads in a discussion. That's why most people from forums like this have no interest in my site. They are only looking for someone to tell them that there is a program out there that is going to be the answer to their money problems. We don't cater to them, so they go find it elsewhere.



No, it wouldn't have been deleted. But the one-sided response thing is probably true, since most who post there have a similar attitude about scams that I do.

Tambra still has full posting rights on my forum...she knows we will tear her a new a-hole if she comes there posting her crap...but still...she is free to post it. I don't ban people who disagree with me. I love to argue.

Dharma, seems to me this cattysha creep gets off on trying to control what other people do with their money because he has non of his own.

Mind you paying to have a website of your own and then sitting in somebody else's all day might give some indication of the lacking in financial acumen here.

clueso, what an odd name for someone who is clueless.

Clueless about what exactly ?

Well, I was referring to your 'take' on who I am, and what I'm about. But I see you don't even know what gender you are, so, clueless in general, I guess.

oh dear catty, how could any of us be clueless about what you are about, you spend all day trolling forums telling us how you "love an argument" especially when its to do with other peoples' business and money, and never about your own, and make out to be some sort of so smart fountain of all knowledge, when really it seems to me you know zilch about what the good folks of MMg do -make money online ! Give us all a break and go off to do what you do best... nothing

Where do you come up with this stuff, clueless?

Answer to Cattysha.
I don't meant program you are IN by saying "those you have chosen" but programs/games you have chosen to call a scam, like DO-int and many others but specially DO-int it looks like.

"Punish people" by that I meant: the way you treat all people that don't agree with you and it seems like if you could throw stones you would. I think everybody here would like to see "the criminals who are running scams, or knowingly inciting people to join scams so they will profit" be punished and go to jail, rote in hell or something.


So it not the investments and the games in its self or that some lose some win you are against its in fact that they are not regulated by Gov. and have all the right documents eg. lottery, bet and Gov. Ponzi is OK.?

Cattysha wrote:
Well, it is a difference, you don't know the burglar is coming but to be playing in investments/ games etc. you know it's a change for losing, if you don't then you are quite blind.

I don't believe in chastise or "Tuff love" as you call it, those days are over, I am a teacher so I know.

cattysha
To gain something do not always have to be money it can mean a lot of things, you know. gain can be the satisfactions of getting a web site closed and account frozen so a lot of people lose their money and the admin called a scammer for running with the money.
That's great we know now where all the trouble comes from.

I understand that you are angry if you were scammed ones we all are.

What ! you mean you dont actually read what you write in all these posts, oh... maybe you just shoot them out right that explains a lot.

I think you are wrong about the other people here. Take a look around this forum and you will see that probably a third of the regulars (maybe more) are the very people who are making these scams work.

This thread isn't about me or cattyshaq .com It's about Midas the scammer. Can we get back to that before you cause me to get tossed out on my ear for my opinions?




You felt the need to greate a new ID just so you could have this lame arguement with me? It's weak, clueless. Try again. This time put more thought into the ID. That one was doomed from the get go

Has ANYBODY gotten a withdrawal from them and just plain had their account cancelled?

The W/D request mentioned was made on the 23rd of October, 2005. The new
rules did not appear til January, 2006.

Since I did not receive the amount requested, $7K +, I was not able to make
any new investments to keep in compliance with the new terms.

And now they admit they were not able to make the projected returns they
promised.

I guess not when the money from RM members was put into IT and PIPS. Mac
and Bryan not only have their members money but RM's as well.

Midas has shown everybody who believed in him, and I was one, that he is
no better than the scammers that prevail online deceiving people of there money.

Just another one of a long list of misplaced money.

surf

BLESS THE SONS OF Bitc...s

Oh GOD, I love being scammed, conned and disrespected.
Bring it on so I can have the opportunity to bless these
sons of men and grow from experience.

I am grateful to them for showing me what I like and what
I definately dont like.
I am grateful to see better what is right and what is wrong
it helps me to get clear on these things.

Dear God, I am but a mere mortal so let me see the silver
lining in this black cloud with its ligtening striking at me me
from head to toe. Let me see the glint of new opportunity
flashing forth from this dark cloud that has decended apon me.

May this dark clouds rain not dampen my enthusiasm and
determination but rather increase the water to my crops of
wealth, riches and knowledge so that they grow and flourish
even more rapidly than anticipated.

Blessed be the conmen, scammers and deviants they have
there lot and I have mine, in having this glorious opportunity
to be grateful and express gratitude towards this situtation.

You see,
The more gratefully I fix my mind on the supreme even when bad things come to me,
the more good things I will receive, and the more rapidly they will come. And the reason

simply is that the mental attitude of gratitude draws my mind into closer touch with the

source from which the blessings come.
I know Gratitude alone can keep me looking toward the all, and prevent me from falling
into, Lack and limitation. Thinking of the supply as limited is fatal to my hopes.

There is a law of gratitude, and it is absolutely necessary that I should observe the law
if I am to get the results I seek. The law of gratitude is the natural principle that action
and reaction are always equal and in opposite directions.

I cannot exercise much power without gratitude, for it is gratitude that keeps me connected
with power. But the value of gratitude does not consist solely in getting me more blessings
in the future.
Without gratitude I cannot long keep from dissatisfied thought regarding the lack of cash
flow. The moment I permit my mind to dwell with dissatisfaction upon things as they are,
I begin to lose ground. It fixes my attention upon the common, the ordinary, the poor, the
squalid, and the mean and my mind takes the form of these things.

Let it be that when I have asked it, then, from that moment on I must, in mind, receive what I ask for.
Opportunities will come to me in increasing number, and I will need to be very steady in
my faith and purpose, and to keep in close touch with the supreme mind by reverent gratitude.

The exercise of GRATITUDE will never fail to strengthen my faith and renew my purpose.
That is the way every seeming failure will work out for me, if you keep my faith, hold to
my purpose, have gratitude, and do everyday all that can be done that day.

I come into full harmony with the formless substance by entertaining a lively and sincere
gratitude or the blessings it bestows upon me. Gratitude unifies my mind with the intelligence
of substance, so that my thoughts are received by the formless.

Amen
Awoman
Aperson
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[quote name='bija' date='Mar 1 2006, 11:17 PM' post='1393613
'] This is going to be a bit long, but everything I am going to say needs to be said, because it is the truth.
And believe me - I HATE to say and finally admit that. Admit what? That like so many others I was obviously blinded by a dream that is nothing but a very smart built big scam.
[quote]

We are all subject to the Golden rule.

He has has the Gold makes the rules.

Gold rules are clear, keep the Gold to
keep the rule.

Nows the time to count our blessing and not let this crappy venture stink up our lives.
===================================================
===================================================

Just know this people, after being kidnapped by aliens I was shocked to learn
that NUKS Nails are not really nails, they just look like nails, they are in fact

Antennas !
You've been warned.

Bija,

could you please contact me. I can't send you anything, I don't have enough posts.

Thanks,

N

Time to take this out of Sites on Hold and put in CLOSED & SCAM PROGRAM

ABSOFCUKENLUTELY

I did that and received an email that I was in violation of terms and they deleted my account!

Hi All,

Just got an email from Divinus Opulentia to say that my DOI account has been closed due to the minimum balance requirement. I had another investment in DOI which should have been more than enough to satisfy this requirement. But Nope! Closed without warning.

According to this email...

"DOI has not met the projected earnings on your principal deposited for the past 12 months"

So everything you see in front of you related to earnings when you log into your DOI account is a blatant lie by admission of DOI management themselves...

"We will now adjust your earnings and pay the appropriate withdrawal to your financial account based on the true earnings that were made on your principal"

It's interesting how there's no warnings whatsoever, not on the DOI withdrawal page, not by email... Nothing. Just immediate account termination. It works like a trap so that Colin Venter (aka "Midas") gets to keep the earnings you thought was yours. That's if that money ever existed in the first place.

Another quote from Midas in regards to complaints about recent investment vehicles that are not performing...

"Yet, these are the very type of vehicles that have been contributing to the excellent earnings of all the Time Based funds"

And now after account cancellation we here "DOI has not met the projected earnings ..."

And notice too that the time required to process a withdrawal is 7 to 28 days. Then when a withdrawal is requested it becomes 90 days.

I must agree with Surf and others, that Colin Venter (Midas) is nothing more than a shallow and deceitful con-man. His concern for members to better their lives is utter rubbish. His only concern for members is to deceitfully relieve them of their money. Just another bottom feeder of the Internet who is too lazy, or doesn't have the intelligence to make an honest living.

It appears ALL participants recieved similar emails.

I just got a response from a very polite support ticket enquiring about my DOI account closure, and got completely shafted.

There response was simply "Your account has now been turned off as you do not meet the account requirements."

There support ticket system is extremely helpful when Midas is Taking your money, but completely useless otherwise.

I would like you to go to http://adoorshallopen.com/hyis.htm and click on the links on the left hand side of the page as soon as possible. If you want to see any of your money or justice served it is the only way. But do not wait.

P.S.: I never have posted in a forum before now. I would not have even gone to a forum had they not locked me out on 2/1/06. I have collected a lot of information from forums and other informative sites by doing so. Do not continue to be burned. Everyone must take the time to report this.

So, Alpine is not telling the truth then.

I read that he got paid in his e-bullion account.

Now, we know he eats grass and is full of bull ****.

You want to report a program u say is a scam but then on the page u send people you want them to sign up under you in even more ponzis,lol That's the pot calling the kettle black. ARE YOU SERIOUS????LOLOLOL

Funny, I thought I was the only one to receive a 'lock out' email - I requested a withdrawal of a 12-month fund that had matured, now, how that has an effect on the performance of the rest of the funds, I really don't know. It would appear that this CROOK never had any intention of paying anyone at anytime.

BY THE WAY IF ITS ANY CONSOLATION - COLIN VENTNER (this is not his real name) AND HIS CRONIES WITH FALSE NAMES ARE BEING AND HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED BY VARIOUS AUTHORITIES FOR MONTHS NOW AND IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THEY ARE CAUGHT.

INTGOLD and STORMPAY GOT AWAY WITH THEIR FIDDLING FOR YEARS BUT HAVE NOW BEEN FOUND OUT - THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN TO DO - THIS GUY THINKS HE IS SMART BECAUSE NO ONE EVER CHALLENGED HIM BEFORE, BUT THE STORY IS DIFFERENT NOW - THE LITTLE GUY IS PREPARED TO FIGHT BACK.

The name Colin Ventner appears on the headstone in a graveyard in a remote part of South Africa, perhaps that's where he got the name from - I have seen a photograph of this headstone quite recently.

PLEASE BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU THAT HE WILL BE FOUND - HE DOES NOT KNOW WHO HE HAS ROBBED.

Dear Member,

We are writing to you today with regard to the current withdrawal request you have entered into the system recently.

The withdrawal you have entered means that your DOI Membership account does not meet the minimum requirements of holding a membership with DOI

The DOI rules state the following:

Term and condition 20 - Minimum account balance

The Member agrees to keep a minimum in The Member's account held within a chosen fund or account balance or a combination of both. Please read the frequently asked Questions in the members section and updated announcements in the private members area.

http://www.do-int.com/public/rules.php

The DOI FAQ’s state the requirements members must keep to have an active DOI membership. This information has been available to members on the DOI site from day 1.

Failing to meet the minimum account balances for holding a DOI account, results in the member’s account being closed as written in the terms and conditions.

The terms and conditions of being a member of DOI are an important part of this company. You agreed to these terms and conditions every time you entered the DOI site and are bound by these terms. The terms and conditions are presented to you every time you enter the DO site and you have to tick the box and click enter which binds you to these terms and conditions every time you enter the site. You also agreed to all legal documents when you press enter to conduct business with DOI. It states on the disclaimer page before you even enter the site, that if you do not agree to be bound by the terms and conditions that you are to leave the DOI site. It is your responsibility to read the terms and conditions and understand what is written in the terms and conditions.

It is also your responsibility to ask questions before you act as written in our no second chance policy - http://www.do-int.com/public/gen_policy.php

You have failed to meet the requirements of having an active DOI membership with the withdrawal you have entered into the DOI system which now breaches the DOI terms and conditions.

Your DOI membership account has now been closed and your withdrawal after the appropriate adjustment will be paid with in the next 90 days. Your financial account provider will send you a notification of this withdrawal by email to show you the final amount of the withdrawal paid.

You will no longer have access to the DO site from this point forward.

DOI has not met the projected earnings on your principal deposited for the past 12 months.

Based on the terms and conditions, your principal has always been guaranteed within the DOI system. At no time have earnings ever been guaranteed to any member on any time based fund – even in the old system. Whilst every attempt has been made to meet the estimated returns from Day 1, not all funds deposited have met the estimated returns due to varying circumstances.

At this stage the DOI system has not altered the earnings on your account to show the true earnings that your funds have returned over the time of your 12 month time based fund, before you entered your withdrawal and this has to be done at the audit and verification stage.

We will now adjust your earnings and pay the appropriate withdrawal to your financial account based on the true earnings that were made on your principal.


This email is a first and final communication on this matter and no other communication will be entered into by the DOI support team. Whilst you may object to the decision that has been made, the decision is now final and can not be reversed.

Thank you for your patience, while we endeavor to arrange final a withdrawal payment to you within the next 90 days.


Regards

DO Management

Die RM and die Midas, ing b hit





I'm done

I wonder if they were just plain investing in PIPS and IT4US and when they went down - all the money was lost - just a thought

Investing? INVESTING? THEY WERE STEALING YOU BLIND!!!!!

For those of you who sent in your Identity Theft documents...erm..DD papers, I suggest you contact the FBI about possible ID theft so they can put a flag on your credit report for the next 6 months. After that, you should monitor your own credit report very closely. What you GAVE them may be a drop in the bucket compared to what they could take from you using your ID.

I know you hate me...but are you listening now?

At least here they admit it.

Interesting to read through all that. It seems everyone gets terminated by another reason - where the only real reason is: they can't pay.
If you invested ref commission they now tell you are in breach of terms because somewhere deep in your downline some have stacked accounts (they can tell everything but they do not send any prove, also how can A be in breach of terms, while they admit Z has done that - they think we are stupid).
If you have deposited and invested, they tell you are in breach of terms if you want to withdraw your own earnings instead of reinvest though just changing the terms as they like does not make them legal. If you deposited and invested and even meet the minimum account balance you are told


Interesting, that I had also pointed this out to them and they insisted this not being true.
However they would have been obligated to adjust the percentage of earnings in the funds if they did not meet the projected earnings and not first have them credit the accounts with earnings that do not exist, and then without any warning terminate accounts when everyone is going to withdraw earnings we had to assume they are ours.

Surprisingly, shoot, I agree with you.

Anyone know what percentage of RM earnings they are requiring us to reinvest in order to avoid having our accounts closed?

Bija,

please contact at

marijankalman@hotmail.com .


N

Who cares, I am glad to see my account is closed. This RM guy is the king of jerkoffs, I will be happy if I see one dime back from my investment.

I said to GO TO THE LEFT OF THE PAGE. You did not do that. I am trying to help. I was not talking about any programs. The links that I am talking about will give you detailed information concerning THIS situation. I hope that clarifies matters.

I know but I do not stand to lose or gain anything regarding THIS situation. Incidentally, all the detailed information concerning THIS situation has been readily available at CATTYSHAQ for a year or more.

If people had paid attention to what was being said there, they would not now be ****ting themselves about losing their money.

Including, but not limited to some names and addresses that your lawyer or whoever you report these scumbags to might find useful in any attempt to see that justice is done. They may not get Midas but Darren, Tambra, Parkin, Scuba and others will find it very difficult to find a rock big enough to hide under.

If there is any info that you require and it is not publicly available, just ask. I am sure that Cattysha and her mods/admin will judge each case on it's merits.

If it had anything to do with me and it hasn't, the likes of Alpine and co need not apply.

Nice prayer megaplex, is it your own? If so, I am impressed. I think many here can find some comfort in your post.
I guess if you don't fill your heart and mind with hate and anger that will only make you yourself suffer while the one that hurts you sip wine in the sunshine then at least they haven't robbed you twice. It's no use feeling grief over what you could have had.
Look on the bright side of life.
"Surely, indeed, truly."

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