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Real investments are here.Don't miss this wonderful opportunity!

Number of days remaining: 149 whaaahooooo lol

Wayne

Interesting conversation. Depends on who you are and what your willing to believe, in order to get out of that conversation what is really being said.
The license to be incorporated is not what people are concerned with. Any business can get a license to be incorporated for a few hundred bucks. Google it for your self and see.
The complaints is that they are not licensed to sell interest barring accounts. Which they are not. That is where the bit about ponzi's comes in. Being off shore makes no difference. If they are selling interest barring accounts to a country that requires that kind of license, they have to have that license.
Paying to one account millions???? Oh come on. Would you guys believe anything that is written. If they paid out millions to one account, don't you think there would be a bit of a bump in the e-gold or ebullion stats?
We play these HYIP's with our fingers crossed. Does not mean we should play them with our eyes closed. Minvest has been a good one. It is still a HYIP. A good HYIP, but every dog has it's day.

Thanks for this piece of good news.

Dont be confused. I read a post saying that progressive compounding is for 150 days only and that you have no option to get money until the end if you ever use progressive compounding. They were discussing why not to invest 2000 in progressive compounding when it only takes 1108 to reach the 200k maximum compounding amount at the 150 day limit.

Well. remember that you have the option to progressive compound for anywhere between 5 to 130 days. the advantage to progressive compounding over regular compounding is that with progressive you lock in funds eliminating the option to switch your compounding percentage from anywhere between 0-100% and affect your simple interest daily payment amounts.
What you can do however is progressively compound your interest for example for only 50 days. This will earn you 0.5% interest on top of your plan's interest daily. This will help your principle climbe high faster in those 50 days. then after your 50 days, you will be switched back to regular compounding in which you can log in and change your % back to 0%compounded so that you will get to keep 100% simple interest daily. Your principle(which you dont get back till the 150th day) will be so high at this point that you can recover all of your initial deposit amount in weeks. Your daily payments will be much higher after progressively compounding your interest payments just for that small portion of your term.

Dear Member,

This email is to inform you that you have received a new daily interest payment.

The details of the transaction:

Date: Jan 03, 2008
Account Principal: $110.01
Interest Rate: 3.15%
Extra Daily Rate (Only when progressive compounding option is used) - 1.50%
Total Interest Amount: $3.47
Amount Added to Available Balance (both e-gold and e-bullion): $0.00
Amount Added to Available Balance E-gold: $0.00
Amount Added to Available Balance E-bullion: $0.00
Amount Compounded: $3.47
Current Compounding Rate: 100%
Progressive Compounding Status: Enabled
Number of business days you have enabled progressive compounding for: 150
Number of days elapsed: 57
Number of days remaining: 93
New Account Principal: $113.48

Who are you ?
Surely from the gang acting in TG !
Can you tell us your nick there ?
I presume you are not doing it.

OK - it'll take a little while to reformat it for MMG but I'll post it here in a few minutes...

The first payment for the new year:







Good luck to all.

Thank you
Anyway that's what you are paid for...

QUOTE(Antiscams @ Jan 1 2008, 07:41 PM) *
...
TG is as safe as MMG. If anyone afraid of going there, then PN, could you please duplicate it here?






oh no..ANTISCAMS....pls do not bring the war over to MMG...isn't it tiring ???

Proof Minvestment.com is a Fraud

1. From the website:Note: no mention of any other domain - just Minvestment.com

2. From the current whois entry:Note that the domain minvestment.com has a Creation Date of 2000-01-03. However, the Registration Date is 2007-01-15.

3. From Alexa, we see there was no traffic before May 2007:



4. From http://www.minvestment.com/news.phpNote how this doesn't make any sense looking at the Alexa graph...



...not proof yet but certainly suspicious.

5. From http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.minvestment.com we see some entries from 2003 and 2004 that divert to a website called hacker.co.uk.

Still not proof, but this drove me to further investigation of the minvestment.com domain.

It took a while, but eventually I established how to obtain historic whois records...

6. From http://domain-history.domaintools.com/?q=m...mp;page=results we see that the domaintools website has cached whois records from 2005, 2006 and 2007.

To view the details it is necessary to create an account on domaintools.com, then upgrade it to gold or silver level. Note that they have a free ten day trial for gold membership - you do have to type in a credit card number but if you cancel it within ten days they don't charge you. Domaintools.com is ranked in the top 1000 websites worldwide by Alex - I decided to trust them with my credit card details...

7. After registering I managed to get contact details of the person who owned the minvestment.com domain until the current owners bought it towards the end of 2006. He is a private individual in the UK, not a company, so I won't list his details here, but if you take the steps I did you can see for yourselves.

The whois entry from 2006-10-10 contains a mobile telephone number for the individual concerned. I called him, confirmed his name, and asked him if he used to own the minvestment.com domain. He confirmed that he did. Here is a summary of what I learnt:

• He registered minvestment.com in 2000
• He also owned hacker.co.uk and had minvestment.com diverted to it for a while (note the hacker.co.uk domain has nothing to do with hacking as the web archive can confirm)
• In 2006 he decided to try selling it as he wasn't using it and received an offer through sedo.co.uk
• The deal went through towards the end of 2006 - certainly after 2006-10-10 when the whois record still showed it in this private individuals name
• He didn't know who had bought it and sounded genuinely surprised and concerned to learn that it was being used for an online investment business, especially as it claims to have been in business since 2000

Note that the other whois records complete the story of the domain being transferred to an intermediary on 2006-10-25, before being finally registered by the current owners in 2007-01-15.

Finally, to really put the last nail in the coffin...

8. From http://www.minvestment.com/news.php
The current owners did not buy the domain until after September 2006. On September 28 it was privately held - there were no members to experience difficulties - there was no DDoS attack.

I think the above speaks for itself. I will leave you to consider all the various possibilities, but there is no logical explanation that doesn't involve MI being a fraud. For the record I believe the man I spoke to was entirely innocent, and I tend to be a good judge of character.

I expect the scammers behind this program were attracted to the domain partly because it was first created in 2000, and decided to make this a marketing point, faking up a load of history like the DDoS attack above, and putting it on their new website to try to bolster their claim to have been in business "since 2000".

Note - if you do go though all the steps above, please bear in mind that the private individual is in the UK before calling him - that said, it is New Year's Eve so I expect he'll be up for an hour or so yet if you do.

Summary - MI have lied on their website about their history, trying to give the impression that they have been trading longer than they really have to boost confidence. This is fraud - a crime in any civilised country.

MI may still be paying at the moment, but it is clearly run by some highly organised crooks. Do you really want to trust such people with your money? Also note that I will be ensuring that this evidence is passed to relevant authorities...

I wouldn't count on MI being around much longer.

and when u carry it to the relevant authorities and it is shutdown are you goin to give the persons who have invested there cash in it there money.

you dont have clear evidence of fraudilence yet you keep putting random "evidence" together to prove your side of the story.

These arguments are far-fetched and still prove in no way that Minvestment is a Fraud....!!

do us a favour try proving that it is legit and if you cant do it then maybe it really isnt.

how about that

Fraud? About an above-mentioned post: From the Who.Is info it is clear that Daniel Koch is the registrant. Delten Holdings was registered in 2000, and it ran a website that was not open the the global market till 2006. It was then updated and they planned opening to the global internet market. In May 2007 this happened. Minvestment is simply the name of the website and not of the company who owns the website. Many companies function like this, but I agree it is a bit confusing. They are not related to a New Jersey company with the same name.

That's how I understand it (hope I am not wrong). I suppose any website without DDoS protection can become subject to an attack and not only those who are monitored and operate globally. It seems that there were about 10 000 members before the opening to the global internet market and that they have grown with appr. 5000 investors per month since.

Seems like everybody here thinks the NJ Delten Holdings is not assosciated with MI. I hope someone contacted the NJ Delten Holdings and informed them that a link to an investment site (as PN called it on his "phone chat") is affiliated with their online phone listing. That MI link needs to be removed.

why do you care?

I am not a fan of Ponzi Nemisis. I have a lot of money invested with MInvestment.
I would like to see them last online and not shutdown like Ponzi Nemisis says.
But,

• It is true that web.archive.org shows that a snapshot of minvestment.com before May 2007 does revert to the hacker.co.uk site.
• It is true that no disturbances could have been experienced by online investors on the Sep 28, 2006 date shown in Minvestment's news because the minvestment site was not available to the worldwideweb yet. That I verified using domain registration database info in the WHOIS and looking at historic web snapshots in web.archive.org.
• It is true that Delten Holding bought and registered the domain name minvestment.com from a private owner in January 2007, and that the domain had been created in 2000.
• It is true that Minvestment does say things on their site that dont check out well, or dont make sense, or dont coincide with public information on domain usage and registrations.

I wish that minvestment would remove the web-service based "news" from dates before May 07, when they were not available on the world wide web. It taints their credibility.

Mind you, I dont like hearing from Ponzi Nemisis, and usually I bash his postings, (especially the nonsesnse about the BVI FSC registration and MInvestment "clearly" being a mutual fund) but he is accurate with this information my friends. You are hearing this from a proud investor of Minvestment who is in profit right now and loving it.

Because someone might think that the Delten Holdings who runs MI is located in the US after looking up Delten Holdings online.

Very interesting indeed. I do believe that this man didn't just do all this research for his fun, wasting his time. He wants to prove you, guys, that this site is fraud. Don't try to be blinded by current success with this program and see what you want to see, because the truth isn't always what you expect it to be. Apparently, this site bought the domain for advertising porpouses and to make a good name for itself. The fact is there are no 100% reliable hyips in the internet, no matter what they say. So the fact is to know how to earn with them, and not to try earning with them forever. Good luck.

MI is not an advertising site. You use banner links to advertise a program.

If MI wanted to buy the domain for "advertising purposes," why is it being used as an investment site instead of an advertising site?

I don't think MI needs to worry about advertising their site. There's plenty of that online, this forum included. I see a MI banner ad on here.

What he found isn't really news. A lot of people doubted MI has been around since 2000, myself included. And I notice he didn't define the site as a "ponzi site" to the person who sold the domain.

And crooks wouldn't be paying out 3-4 digit wds either over several months. 99 percent of the time in an HYIP, you would be lucky to get that type of wd even once before the admin runs away.

The only thing I see in MI that makes it similar to HYIPs are the rates albeit low rates are not common in HYIPs.

The rest of the program makes other HYIPs look like cheap programs.

99.9 percent of HYIPs usually have payout delays even just once while it's running. Even for past programs that ran a long time, the admins had occassional payout delays. During the length of this program, I still haven't seen a not paid post.

On some forums with MI threads, this program isn't listed as an HYIP on those, and I don't understand that.

Nice homework buddy.Looks like you really took the time to do your dd like everyone else here should have. Having said that.....you warned them!!! I hope they dont have that way down sick feeling when they go to check their account and woops...no more there. Like I had with o/t.....and learned the hard way. Anyway thanks for your hard work.

Admins, thanks for your wonderful work!!! Your program is the best!!
Do not wait, invest and receive the profit.

Make sense, well said!

Paid me as usual.
Thanks Minvestment

1/4/2008
10:25 Payment Received 87667616 Gold +0.001167 34***** 5.01 USD 865.20
From: Prod Inc

I got paid and paid again!

Congratz! very stable.

Paid again.... Well done MI ...

Remeber...dont quote the morooons? The more you do the more he gets excited over nothing.

Come to think of it, if the fool is right and indeed MIn is fraud, then what? It ends like the others. So what? Has any one HYIP ever failed to fail? Please lets get real. But i have a hope that Min will not fail suddenly

I think for me I am done with proofing a good point here. As far as I am concerened MIn is paying Max. Whether they are regsitered or not, or whether watever I cant be bothered again. As long as they are paying then its fine by me. I had rather use my enegy on more productive issues that banter words with jobless ones who are nothing but spoilers. I will only come here and post when i get paid or congratulate any one who has been paid. Is that not why we are all here anyway? To get paid. As long as that is going on everyone is fine. so please lets take a break and see if MIn will outlast 2008 or not. Only time will tell. Enough of the Socrates style! Take care

Got paid again ,well program .

Congrats! more of this!

There are so many members got paid today!
Congratulations!

Congratulations to all ,Paying .

Batch Number for Verification: 87668643,paying

All I know is that MI is paying and that is the fact.... We are all here to achieve one thing that is to make $$$. So don't bother about those fools and have a Happy Time Investing and earning big BUCK... As far as I know I love MI and hope that it will stay with us for a long long long time.....

Yeah we need more happy people here. Not saddist!s

Does anyone know by name even one place where MI has "invested" your money?

Does anyone know why "Stephen" in a phone chat posted yesterday afternoon on TG told someone that the FSC "has no information on us because we are based in the BVI" right after saying they were "monitored by the financial authorities in BVI" when, in fact, the FSC is the Financial Services Commission for the BVI?



Is anyone willing to admit that it's too late in the MI game to start now and that anyone depositing money today will lose it?

Huh..Ponzi Nemesis you're Newbie here...

Got paid very fast.
E-currency Type: E-gold
Amount: $4.29

PN may have only recently signed up here, but he's anything but a newbie.

He's probably forgotten more than the rest of us combined have learned.

Minvestment - minvestment.com
1.4%-2.3% daily -E-gold.E-bullion

Payment received from this reliable program .
1/4/2008
14:05 Payment Received 8769xxxx Gold +0.001988 3335787 1.72 USD 865.00
From: my account

How did you receive a payment from a closed account?

Received another payment, fast as usual. Minvestment doing what it does best....meeting it's payment obligations.

Dear Member,

This email is to inform you that you have received a new daily interest payment.

The details of the transaction:

Date: Jan 04, 2008
Account Principal: $113.48
Interest Rate: 3.07%
Extra Daily Rate (Only when progressive compounding option is used) - 1.50%
Total Interest Amount: $3.48
Amount Added to Available Balance (both e-gold and e-bullion): $0.00
Amount Added to Available Balance E-gold: $0.00
Amount Added to Available Balance E-bullion: $0.00
Amount Compounded: $3.48
Current Compounding Rate: 100%
Progressive Compounding Status: Enabled
Number of business days you have enabled progressive compounding for: 150
Number of days elapsed: 58
Number of days remaining: 92
New Account Principal: $116.96

Dear Member,

This email is to inform you that you have received a new daily interest payment.

The details of the transaction:

Date: Jan 04, 2008
Account Principal: $936.57
Interest Rate: 3.07%
Extra Daily Rate (Only when progressive compounding option is used) - 1.50%
Total Interest Amount: $28.75
Amount Added to Available Balance (both e-gold and e-bullion): $0.00
Amount Added to Available Balance E-gold: $0.00
Amount Added to Available Balance E-bullion: $0.00
Amount Compounded: $28.75
Current Compounding Rate: 100%
Progressive Compounding Status: Enabled
Number of business days you have enabled progressive compounding for: 150
Number of days elapsed: 65
Number of days remaining: 85
New Account Principal: $965.32

No other sites are reporting e-bullion problems. The e-bullion site is up and running, and there are no reports of problems on their pages. Most likely either Minvestment don't have enough funds so are buying time, or e-bullion has a problem with Minvestment.com. Yet another red flag - be careful.

Ponzi yes no one else is reporting problems as of yet. E-bullion is located in California it is 7:55 am as I am writing this the office doesn't open till 8:am or 8:30, staff may not know. You sure do your due diligence how about finding us some great opportunities to make some money the passive way a good stable company. Maybe we can all be referred by you and you can make some ton of money from us. Would that be fraud?
I have always got paided by MI and have been able to withdrawl.
I have had a domain name for 3 years and the person who will purchase it from me probably won't think to clear the history unless I was to tell them.
Good luck to all.

I got three program's notice about EB, one by email, two post notice in MMG and TG.