ok, untuk blackgoldsurf gw join dibawah babyblue19

jadi... ga ada yg benefactorin beneran nih

Hi,

I am trying to do some due diligance on your company, but things seem a little weird right now. 1) i’m being told by a private investigator friend that there is no such person named greg bartraw in the entire USA, let alone in NY or CA and 2) i passed by 9595 Wilshire today and notice that your company name is not anywhere on the directory. how on earth you’d expect to receive mail there without a suite # is anyone’s guess. i called the building management office too at 310-273-9595 and they said your company has no offices there. what’s the story? is there any real person or address behind this company?

stephanie
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Came reply from “Greg”

Stephanie,

While we understand people wanting to know all they can about us, we do publish information that we feel is necessary while also ensuring that we retain some form of privacy, especially in light of the fact other administrators in this industry despite good intentions are rarely treated with respect when the program fails or experiences problems out of their control.

Our building management office will not accept calls for any business within this building, as only direct calls can be accepted. We also do not publish our suite address as we previously explained on our site, because we do not accept walk in appointments and with people dropping by the building as you have done ( as well as others over the last week ), this is a clear example of why we choose not to.

We are an advertising and auto surf program, and give you as much information as we feel comfortable providing. You must decide for yourself if you feel comfortable participating or not. We will not provide any other information than what is already available, and we do not force anyone to join or upgrade in our program. The terms clearly state our intentions and guidelines, and our website provides as much information in terms of contact details as we can offer. That is as reassuring as we can be, without jeopardizing our privacy.

As for your inquiry regarding my name and non existence, you should read my profile.
(http://www.wiredsurf.com/profiles.php << Saat gue posting ini, bagian ini sudah dihapus )

I’m sorry you wasted money with a private investigator, that really wasn’t necessary. If you didn’t feel comfortable with our program, and clearly you didn’t if you felt compelled to hired someone to research myself or my team, than you just shouldn’t be here. There are other programs where possibly the administration are comfortable handing out their home address, drivers license, SSN or other sensitive information about themselves or their team mates, but this isn’t one of them.

If were selling vacuum cleaners with a lifetime warranty, then we might have no problem having every minuscule detail about us published online, but in an industry that is so high risk, not to mention the history of attacking the program leaders on a personal level when the opportunity is unable to continue, we just feel that we have some right to protect ourselves. We do not hide behind a confusing policy, we do not guarantee that our program will be available for years to come. We present facts, and offer you the opportunity to participate in a program at your own discretion, for as long as it is available to you. We don’t believe that our program will be online in ten years, and we make no claims that you will be guaranteed any amount of profit while you are a member. We simply give you the details up front, and then leave it up to you whether you feel that it is something you want to get involved in.

But we won’t put our personal information on display just to convince someone to join our program. Wired Surf is a great program for the industry that it’s in and it stands apart in many ways. As a team, we will do all that we can to continue to offer it as a high end auto surf and advertising program for however long its lifespan is, but that is all we can honestly do.

Eh 12DP kayaknya minggu ini mo bayar neh.. pelaaan seh..

Trus abis itu die tutup... and buka site baru..

Sitenya blom tau, baru liat blognya ajee..

sekian terima kasih..

engagesurf on hold

Hello dear members,

Currently ES is closed and we are not accepting new memberships. News about payments/refunds or program continuation will be posted soon.

There is no action required on your part and there is nothing to worry about.

For support questions please use email membersupport[AT]engagesurf.com.

Thank You for understanding and tremendous support you have shown. Now it's time for us to show and prove our honesty and thankfulness.

m-m-s masih bayar terus..

alient gw masih percaya banget, udah upgrade lumayan disana.

I don't know if you have heard yet, but Alien Trust is leaving the
autosurf industry and is moving into the manual surf industry! I think that
this is wonderful! You will now have to surf a certain amount of sites
base on your ad level! I hope that we will start to see more sites
follow this system. I believe that manual surfing is a much better form of
advertising then autosurfing. We will have to wait and see what
happens. You can read the full story here:
http://www.northshore-media.com/index.php/post/2855/.

I think that Vince and the aliens are making a leap before everyone
else (kind of what they tend to do!) and are really trying to set the
stage for this industry. I think that is great!

wah, ternyata babyblue19 udah posting duluan ttg SEC press release.

hm... AT jadi manual surf? yg gua dengar agak beda.
"AT now enabled manual surfing and surveys after surfing to ensure people are actually watching ads in rotation."
yg gw tangkap, masih bs auto-surf, tapi ntar ada surveinya. jadi bisa ketahuan lo liat adsnya atau tidak.

I Think AT is still solid.

Eh 12DP kayaknya minggu ini mo bayar neh.. pelaaan seh..

Trus abis itu die tutup... and buka site baru..

Sitenya blom tau, baru liat blognya ajee..

sekian terima kasih..

Betul.. AT kan dulunya lumayan gede, ke-2nya 12dailypro , terus gara2 masalah SEC kemaren ini , AT jadi takut kena tutup ama SEC juga, jadi si Vince ngubah strategi pake manual surf, semakin kalian upgrade makin gede semakin disuruh liat ads lebih banyak (kaya kerja gitu lho) jadi earning makin banyak makin susah kerjanya.. supaya ga kliatan ponzi, and ada bukti bahwa member2 emang purchase advertising package buat earn money and dipaksa liat ads buat dpt bayaran. Soalnya most autosurf kita tinggalin juga gpp.. jadi bukan sebenernya purchase advertising package, cuma puterin duit doang and itu yg diincer SEC.

kok ga ada yg taro pendapat di topic gw yg tentang SEC ya ?

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?showtopic=54896

Pendapat pliz

yup, keliatannya memang beberapa program udah siap2 kalo2 ada pemeriksaan dari SEC. Semuanya diusahakan agar sesuai dgn ketentuan hukum di US sana. Sbg perbandingan ad-warriors, program yang dari awalnya sdh manual surfing, juga ngambil langkah -langkah dimulai dari no refferal fee, sampe yg terakhir limit upgrade maksimal $410 (news nya ad-warriors : deposit investasi di atas $500, sesuai regulasi harus melalui SEC))

oke, baru dibayar SDU(Surf-down-under) hari ini. dari request kemarin.

o iya, gw baru lihat tampilan baru cashbacksurf - 1 % forever. ada yg punya pengalaman bagus dgn mereka ? adminnya sepertinya honest.

adwarrior bagus ya? skrg ga pake ref commision lagi ? sayang egold lagi abis huehuehu.. ntar deh bln depan liat2 lagi

wah. iya, cashbacksurf cuma ngasih 6 % /bulan.
kecil sekali.. malas ah.. minimal mesti 30 % /bulan. cari yg lain.

waduh..... barusan coba manual surf.
aduuh... ga kuat!
10 halaman aja udah males.
demi $$$ gpp deh.

Paid2Surf <=> ManualSurf <=> Paid2Click

ya klo koneksi internetnya bukan broadband kan berasa juga, hehehe...

ada yg bisa rekomen program2 manual surf apa aja yg reliable? btw, denger2 gwptraffic uda ga accessible lagi websitenya. apa bener?

ada yg bisa rekomen program2 manual surf apa aja yg reliable? btw, denger2 gwptraffic uda ga accessible lagi websitenya. apa bener?

BGS bagus buatku sih

kok gak ada yg rekomen epaysurf ya?

kurang reliable atau kurang profit kah?

wiredsurf gw baca di thread internationalny lagi bermasalah ama surfingnya ya...tadi malam mo joint tapi baca threadnya jadi ditunda dulu

mungkin nanti, by the way belum ada member yang punya upgrade expired kan di epaysurf

tgl 9 maret expired pertama

kayaknya top autosurf saat ini BGS, WS, dan PhoenixSurf ya...