I agree with everything in this post regarding the OSC....and am fully aware of it.
However, in the guarantee Nick provides, the investments are not ours......nor is he selling them.
He has investments that have been running for years and he allows our funds to piggy back on his.......we are paid "interest" on our "loans". Even the written guarantee states this.
In any case, there is nothing youve stated that Nick is not aware of and youre right, it will all come out in the wash.

I am so disappointed he isn't really going to try the "loan" game? hahaha... oh god... please look up the term investment whether you "invest" money or loan it to someone for the purpose of making a profit it's a security.

You live in ontario good lord you should know this. If you loan money to somebody and have a written contract and receive interest on that loan you have to claim it on your income tax, that makes it investment income.

I sure hope you aren't the best spokesperson they have. All you are doing is proving that Nick knows he is breaking the law... don't you sit back for a second and ask yourself how exactly he "piggy backs" your money on his? I mean it's not traded he says, so how does he do that exactly? The lack of logic in his story should have you running for the hills, but still you come here to defend him. I admire your commitment I simply hope you don't lose too much money when he goes down.

haha, oh thanks so much, "interest" on your "loans" my that was funny.... yeah that's gonna hold up in court...

I completely agree with you, Sanctuary. I am leaving this thread far behind, before I need to start taking ANTI-DEPRESSANTS!

pbeach58

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I wonder when somebody is going to test the MMG TOS and try to take them to court as a co-conspiritor in some of these scams... it sure would be interesting to see that

I see a few people have decided to ignore my post made earlier.

Again, cut the personal attacks and trolling.

My another plan expired today and make cashout request and put 80% matured in 30 days again, sure soon i will paid AGAIN!!!!few hours before i talked with NICK on Saturday


Ubaid Ahsan

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Common sense seems to be in short supply at MCF these days. I just read the latest updates from Nick. So he has a friend in charge of national security in Canada? Come on people get real. Opps, I forgot that he also has Sir Richard Branson as a personal acquaintance?
I guess he will be invited to the White House for the next black tie dinner as well. Man oh man this is getting funnier by the day. I cant wait to see what tall tale pops out his mouth next.


I just can understand why their is so much discussion here and at MCF concerning the Canadian authorities getting involved. What is their to worry about? Nick said everything is legal so that makes it so right? Or, are you worried that maybe the Canadian authorities have already been contacted and may be contacted many more times in the up coming days ahead?

I have a major newsflash for you. It doesnt matter what I think or you think or what Nick says. What matters is what the Canadian authorities say. No online program Im aware of has ever survived this test. Get ready for a big let down if this happens. I feel certain that Nick is breaking the law and will be caught. I would give 20-1 odds this guy doesnt even have an attorney as he claims either.

Didnt Nick say somewhere that the SEC and Canadian equivalent already checked him out and everything was ok? Hmm, I seriously doubt that happened. Again, there is nothing to worry about if he told you the truth.

This program will end in one of three ways. The authorities will shut them down. They will run our of money with the usual excuses and maybe a few we have not heard. Or, Nick at some point, will get greedy and just vanish. Doesnt matter to me one way or the other.

I find it disturbing that Nick has chosen to make payouts to SolidTrustPay accounts ONLY...he is totally ignoring the AlertPay payouts. He must have a side deal of some kind with the chick that runs STP. Just another good reason to pull out seed money ASAP and then take it for all you can while it lasts.

I am not familiar with Canadian Law, and if a co-conspiracy charge could be brought against MMG, or any forum that a scam site is a part of.

In the US, in order to bring about a conspiracy charge, first of all what would be the crime attached to the conspiracy. “Conspiracy to commit ????” Overt acts have to be alleged and proven. Is your line of thinking that MMG, the corporate entity, could be charged as a co-conspirator? Or, are you alleging the owners of the corporate entity would be charged? I will start first with the corporate entity, MMG. There have been cases where a corporate entity was charged with a federal crime, but I think we all realize you cannot put a corporate entity in prison. Whenever this does happen, the corporate entity is given a fine and put on pre-trial diversion, which means if they straighten out their act and abide by any agreements they made with the Government by a certain date, they will not face any further criminal charges.

Now, if you are referring to the owners of the corporate entity MMG facing co-conspiracy charges, there would have to be certain elements present for that to happen. There would have to be proof that the owner is a willing participant in the promotion of a scam. Now if a site appeared on MMG, or any forum, that stated something to the effect of “Ponzifortune and the description of the site clearly reads something like, “We are a ponzi scam and participate and part with your money at your own risk,”, and now go further to say there are postings by an MMG owner or employee that encourages people to participate in a clear ponzi scam, you might have a case. Also, if there are false positives posted or videocasts presented in an attempt to lure people in, with a financial reward going to an MMG owner or employee for their recruitment efforts, that would be a conspiracy with the owner of Ponzifortune to commit either securities fraud or wire fraud.

I have no clue who the owner of MMG is. I am assuming that would be clearly visible if the owner posted on any of the sites. I have never noticed any person with that designation posting on the various sites. I do know the moderators are clearly designated as such, but I have never noticed them positing on the sites other than what they would do in the performance of their moderator assignments.

There is usually some type of a gain or intended gain associated with a crime, but I don’t see a gain or the promise of future gains here that would cause MMG, the entity or an individual of MMG to be charged with co-conspiracy.

The fact that MMG provides a forum that is available for individuals to promote various sites, in my opinion is not enough to file criminal conspiracy charges. The ultimate lawbreaker is the owner of the site. The co-conspiracy charges in cases like this would usually be brought against the promoters who benefited from the operation of the illegal ponzi site.

It is illegal to operate a ponzi scheme in the US, but it is not illegal to participate in one as a mere participant. A person just has to remember that any earnings received are taxable and should be reported, and they should also be aware of the risk that if the site goes into receivership, they risk having suit filed against them for their excess of earnings over principal, or in bankruptcy cases, any money they received, regardless if it is a return of principal or just earnings, is subject to attachment.

If you read the latest update they are now paying to Alertpay. He admitted that they had been processing a lot of STP and now they are concentrating on some Alertpay.

Even though I'm hoping this works out - I am going to try and get my seed money out ASAP. I'll feel better then.

Good on ya mate!!

"No worries, mate!!"

Thank you for the eloquent explanation of the conspiracy, I knew that gain had to be proven before a conspiracy could be brought forward. I am glad to see that you are back to form now and bringing forth the good explanation of the law as you usually do.


Layton

When( or "if" for those who are skeptical ) the Mastercard debit card comes out, would that be considered a sign of legitimacy? If so, why? If not, then why not? I'd like to hear both sides of the argument. TIA.

I'll not be too impressed by those Mastercards. Bob Krimm issued VISA/MC cards for TriStar as well , people received in the mail but it was no use as he decided not to pay it member but to pocket large amounts and buy expensive land spots ..etc etc. So .. the cards become useless...

What will make me consider this program and not label it as ponzi will be A MONEY GUARANTEE but not as NICK said " Money are guaranteed by me" ... that make laugh so hard............ A MONEY GUARANTEE issued by a bank or financial institution with ground in the financil world.

The way I feel about debit cards from different programs are a total expensive joke, first the cards are and can only be used by the program, then you have the original cost of the card, then you have load fees, then you have monthly fees, then the ATM fees for with drawl, then the limit of how you can withdraw from the card per day, then the limit on the actual ATM machine when you with draw.

Then if any thing happens to the program at all and it stops paying, you just have another piece of useless trash. It is far cheaper to just use a processor or to be able to enable an ACH direct to your bank.


Layton

werez the admin

Gotta agree with you there, Layton. Somewhere I have a VM card gathering dust in a drawer. Even that card was supposed to be able to be used in other programs, but due to their terrible service I would never touch it again. STP works great and always will... I wish Nick would stick with that.

I read somewhere that we can bring the debit card into the bank and have them withdraw funds from the card instead of using the atm. most atms have a $500.00 limit and bringing the card into the bank would allow one withdrawal up to the cards withdrawal limit. Do you know if that is possible?

Also I assume that we will be able to ach or wire funds from within our debit card back-offices to our bank accounts instead of using atms.






I used my vm card the other day to withdraw from STPay though the ach feature is what STPay needed and I use that all of the time now

Did Nick say when energy bank and dc will be ready

You will have to keep checking back because there is no particular time or date set. It will be a surprise

Yes, you can use the debit card to withdraw at the bank up to what the limit on the card is for withdrawal, but you still have the withdrawal fee, because the bank uses their ATM machine for the approval, but uses their cash drawer to pay out.

Layton

Glad to see that tempers in this thread have calmed and that it's back to a respectful,
yet heated discussion with differences in opinion.

Always get your seed money out ASAP if still possible!

I agree.....with both your statements!

sooner or later everybody will realize that nothing said in this thread or any other thread in any other forum will change the facts. P2P will fail just like every other HYIP in history.. it's just a matter of when... I guess I forgot that yesterday for a bit, matters not I will still be doing what I do with this thing fails. I just hope those involved don't get hurt too bad.. as I believe MOST people get involved in nonsense like this with the best of intentions.

Thanks for the reply. That certainly sounds easy, if the bank is open that is. I had an atm eat my VM card a few months ago right after I heard the cash swishing at the exit door!. ugghh

VM worked with me and got my funds back, really happy about that

I am glad that the card works for somebody. I have had no less than a dozen issues arise and they never answer the phone when you call for support. If you want a back-up, I can sell you one cheap.

Back on topic, I guess we just never will know for sure which way the chips will fall in the future. I keep looking for crystal balls on e-bay, but they're never for sale. To date we know that P2P has a good payment record and we can just hope it will continue. Of course the rates and plans are suspect, but no one here is looking for 5% APR either. Getting your initial out asap is always good advice as is the golden rule to never "invest" more than you can afford to lose - that way hopefully no one gets "hurt too bad". I appreciate the sentiment of the opposition to be sure, it is just the relentless pounding and posting that gets on my nerves.

which is exactly what the "opposition" feels about the cheerleaders....

Hi Tree,

Good to see you!

I'm guessing you got EL's funny PM? (the joke) If you didn't, I'll pass it along...it gave me a good laugh.

Alright cvk....you've made your point, now give it a rest. Were all big boys and girls here, and we should all know the risks, but if we want to play the game, its our business.
I've read everything you've had to say. Nothing lasts forever. The choice is mine now!



Yes McPee, she sent it to me too. Its great!!! I'm on the lookout for an

18 year old student!

I fully agree with treebartt,

Its our own risk. now please give this thread a rest.

Giggling at the thought of Tree doing high school drive-by's!!

i have a question.. now i use alertpay for deposits, but wanted in future to use solidtrustpay.. but when began registration, a problem appeared - there is not my country (i live in Ukraine) in the list of country.. there are what pleasingly countries, but there is not my, and it's a not little country.. yesterday wrote in support, but an answer still wait.. didn't anybody have alike problems?

Hello, i'm waiting for my fisrt payout and it is about 10 days that it's pending.
I contacted admin throught contact form and throught his email address, but he did not reply me!

I "invested" 10$...

Is P2P still paying?

STP was not accessible for a while yesterday. I would suggest writing to support one more time. They are very good at getting back to people in a timely fashion....they have great customer service, so I'm sure you'll hear from them very soon!




Nick has been catching up on payments this weekend, and yes, don't worry, P2P is still paying!
If you want to most recent updates and access to news or support, P2P's main forum is My Cash Forum. There have been a lot of new paid posts happening in the past few days, so I'm sure you'll see yours very soon.

Yes what YOU do with your money is your business... but when someone new comes to this thread if all they see are cheerleaders THEY are not getting both sides of the story..

So how about YOU give it a rest????????

You can post whatever you want.. as can I... so until you own this forum or at least are a MOD here, your opinion counts for zero as to whether I post or not...

I am so sick to death of people like you believing because YOU know the risk involved in any given program that EVERYBODY else that ever stumbles into a thread like this would know as well. Guess what everybody has to get involved for the first time at some point... so as long as there is a thread both good and bad will be and should be posted...

But thanks for expressing your opinion, gosh that's what a DISCUSSION forum is for, imagine that..


Still waiting for my return call or email from Nick...

LOL...yes that would be funny!!! Showed hubby the PM, but he didn't find it funny.

Hmm.....wonder why! hehe....




With you here, they won't have to worry about that, now will they?

So post to your heart's content, and save all the newbies!!!! I'm done!

did you check your email account? the one you registered into P2P with.

i get answer, but nothing good it was said me..

now i use alertpay, but they heaved up a commission on the add funds from e-gold to 15,5%

Yes I did... thanks... no reply... oh wait thats right all the people at P2P and MCF know how to do is lie... how about this one the admin posted??? This is in the MCF forum and don't worry I have screen shots with time stamp...

Also, I wanted to touch base with everyone about traderj that has been ranting and raving. One thing I want to stress is that the majority of the ranters and ravers and slammers of P2P have an agenda, and ulterior motive if you will.

I have been contacted by many members that contacted traderj for the supposed information about Nick. And rather then getting the information that was requested, the got directed to an HYIP site. So the proof is in the pudding as someone said.

He simply does not like the fact that you are all in P2P enjoying the benefits while his site that is most assuredly a ponzi is suffering from lack of members.

Interestingly enough this is very funny. First they banned my account, so I'm not sure how I was able to PM anybody with information about a HYIP? But now they post lies like this thinking somehow I won't see it.. nice try...

Ask yourself are these the type of people you want to give your money to??

I would ask ANYBODY that claims I sent them I sent them to a HYIP site to show that PM or email?

It is impossible to happen as I don't play HYIPs

Everytime you post lies about me you simply make yourself look more like the criminals you are...

Keep in mind that I have screen caps of all the lies and slander that has been posted in the last couple of days...

This one was one of my favorites...

If you read any of CvKint/TraderJ's post's on MMG, he talks about losing lots of money ($40,000-$50,000), and he frequents gambling threads.

I would love to see the posts where I talked about losing lots of money or gambling... very very good stuff... keep the lies coming guys.. the more stuff like this you post the better for me... why oh why don't you people get that Nick lives in Ontario.. meaning he is subject to the laws in the Province in which I live... too bad so sad.

From what I've heard Nick could care less(can't blame him) about your ranting and raving or what you have to say or post,etc.It not going to change one thing......But hey I hear you are going to be in his area so why don't you and your "lawyer" drop in to visit him. I'm sure he and his lawyers will glad to solve your PROBLEM!


If anyone wants to see a photo or read more of cvkint/traderj = Jody McConkey

http://www.honestoffers4u.com/

http://blog.worldvillage.com/sys/bio/traderj.html

http://www.youcannotbeserious.ca

http://www.askatrader.com

Thanks for the links always happy to have more traffic to my blog or trading forum... much appreciated...

Actually its the RCMP that will be talking to Nick... keep acting smug there champ... hope you don't have too much money in that scam.

In the interest of being fair, I did just receive an email from "Nick" I have requested to meet with him in person. Doing business over the phone is not my way of doing things. I will be within 20 minutes to half an hour of his listed address on Thursday and I have offered to spin and meet with him to attempt to clear the air once and for all.

I guess we will see...

yes we shall see......and yes nature is taking it's course......with a few suprises throw in!

Ok folks, lets not get nasty ........ Nick and cvkint have made contact, so lets give this a chance to work. Some people prefer face to face contact before risking any funds and thats not a bad thing.
I suggest everyone just cool it and let nature take its course now.

Got paid!

Thanks

I received a $37 withdrawal from Nick today in my AP account. I made the withdrawal on Nov. 6, and I understand why it took me almost 2 weeks to get it. P-2-P had problems for the past few weeks with DDOS attacks.

I bet traderj is feeling really proud now he's a gifted ranter...

Traderj is feeling perfectly fine, but thanks for asking.