This P2P thread is the exact reason why I love this MMG forum!! People can come here and say what is on their minds no matter which side of the fence they stand. I have heard that MCF is heavily moderated by cheerleading mods so I choose not to join a forum that is so close minded to alternative opinions. I have been involved in online Ponzi/Scam/Program/Hyip/Surf entities for years and I always assume they are not legit and make my spends accordingly. As it turns out, every one I have joined has been some kind of scam or poorly run excuse for a business. I approached P2P in the same manner and so far I have not been disappointed but I have noticed the usual red flags manifesting themselves like talk of going private, referral commissions, delayed payouts, investigations by authorities, hacking and ultimately DDOS attacks. The only two red flags I have not seen with P2P is the christian hook and the membership meeting in some dumba$$ caribbean island somewhere, LOL. I will always tell the truth how P2P is treating me and as soon as I get my first payout request fulfilled, I will shout it from the mountain tops. After I get my seed money back, I will be a happy member of the Cheerleading Squad and proud to be one because it will be the truth. Do I care if P2P is legitimate? NOPE...all I care about is the money, plain and simple. I am not a referral whore so I will tell nobody about this program and I never would recommend a program to a friend as none of them have ever worked out in the past so why bother. So good luck to all of us gamblers and please keep up the entertaining back and forth banter in the forum here at MMG.

hahahaha, what am I apologizing for? You simply have me at a total disadvantage.. I have looked over the posts in question and I just don't see what you think I should be apologizing for. If you can explain to me why I should apologize for correctly answering a question I would be happy to consider it. Until you can show that I am sorry but there will be no apology forthcoming.

Perhaps it's English not being your native language causing part of the confusion, I don't know.

I have no problem apologizing to anybody if I have made a mistake, but as I don't see one in this thread or on this particular subject an apology would be rather hallow as I wouldn't know what it was for it would obviously not be sincere..

As for respect? Ummm I'll live if you don't have any respect for me. But thanks for your concern.





The only question I have is regarding the above statement. I have seen this defense used before for people playing the HYIP game. Are you not at all concerned that although YOU are aware they are all scams, doesn't bother you at all that in order for you to be in profit it means that someone else directly has to lose their money?

I have heard the whole it's like playing cards or gambling at a Casino etc, but in those cases BOTH parties are aware of the game and the rules of how it's played. But in the case of HYIPs some people not as savvy or experienced you might honestly believe some of these programs are legit and hence you are in fact taking advantage of their lack of knowledge.

Not passing judgment here, just wondering if you've been asked this before and what your point of view is on it? Thanks,

Hi Goldkitty,

Can i ask you a question, you seem to have gone from been hopefull about this program yesterday, to today stating you know its a scam, are you sure about that.?

Yesterday you wrote and i Quote, "I sincerely hope all of the problems are resolved in a timely fashion, and if this program is legitimate, that it is allowed to continue on," unquote.

So, it seem like your saying here that you are hopefull that this is a legitimate program, and hoping they will get their problems worked out.

And then today less that 24 hours later, you state this and i Quote, " All that matters is that I do know this is a scam. If you want to throw your money away, go ahead" Unquote

So, within 24 hours you go from been hopefull that all is legitimate with this program, to been convinced it is a scam.

How did you come to that conclusion within that time frame? and have you received some solid information within that 24 hour period, to convince you that this is a scam.?

From my experience doing good in depth DD, it can take quite a while longer than that to exhaust all leads to firmly convince me in one way or the other

Just wondering how your opinion was changed so suddenly.

Thanks

Labhra

Labhra I was hopeful 24 hours ago. I was hopeful for all the thousands of people who have money in here. Hopeful is not meant to be hopeful in that the current computer problems are all that need to be resolved, but hopeful in the sense that the nature and description of these so-called casino investments would be made public so that people could do their own investigation to ascertain if they are legitimate or not. I was hopeful that the necessary disclosures would be made so that it could be determined if these investments did nor did not exist and people could move forward and not keep putting money into an investment where there is no disclosure; an investment based on proof of investments, not mere words alone. I am sure you must know many things can happen in the span of 24 hours. Good in depth DD can take a while, but when certain facts and circumstances come to light things can change in a matter of seconds.

If these casino investments are legal and can be substantiated, then yes, I am hopeful, but until full disclosure is made of these so-called casino investments, I am of the belief that this is another scam. If Nick is just running a ponzi, he needs to disclose that fact and not lead people on. Every investor has the right to full disclosure of these so-called casinos.

In closing, Labhra, you have to do what you have to do to satisfy yourself. I am not trying to convince you or others. I gain nothing, but you could lose a lot.

I have stated in previous posts, I am not about to disclose information that will further aid scammers. You are an adult, do what ever you want. I am not here to prove anything. My advice is for you to conduct your own DD and decide for yourself. Just don't let the determinant factor be that people are getting paid so that makes it legitimate. All ponzi's continue to pay for a while, just look at CEP.

Although you deleted your post to me, I will respond anyway. No I am not Dave from Code4Gold and no I am not his alter-ego.

Your post to gammy on MCF, which adds creditability to my post which states your sole interest is not in others but gathering as much referral commission as possible, regardless of whether a program is a scam or not and the fact remains that your initial investment is very minimal. You make sure your money is safe because you collect from unsuspecting referrals.

"am so glad I was at the right place (MMG!) at the right time to find you, grammy - and now you are my biggest spending referral! That is a very nice bonus for a modest spender like me. I may become a big roller yet!"

I find this thread and comments very interesting. It is clear one side is right and the other side is wrong, lol..............however, neither side can show proof. I am an investor and CHOOSE to believe P2P is legit, therefore I will continue with Nick. That is my choice. I will not argue with anyone as I am not sure if I have made the right decision. What I am saying is, there is no reason to be disrespectful to one another, name calling, etc. We are all adults, if we choose to invest and we lose, oh well. It certainly won't be my first time. Nor, do I feel I have the right to condemn those that feel this is not legit. I say we all have to make a choice we are comfortable with and see how it plays out. Either it will continue or it won't.

However, I will add I do not believe in excessive cheerleading or encouraging other people to join. What I lose I lose on my own, I do not want the responsibility of other's losses.

Wow .. http://scamway-2-prosperity.net/

Such a compresive and well deatailed report.. I'm sure at least part of it is true..... RED FLAG for ME ....

If the screenshots are not fake..then Nick is the dumbest guy still live... How he could gives the password to hackers..........

Now we have Bruce a/k/a Bktrade

I thought I would pop in and say something before getting my son off to school and then go for my morning hike on the nature trail and then the gym.

Everything is OK........... Stop being worried. There is nothing we can do about these DDOS attacks except what Nick and Kent have been doing. So long as the database is backed up what can these hackers do? This isn't a surf program where you need to log in everyday and surf. No investments or money is tied to the site. Why is everyone freaking out? Why does everyone need to look at their account everyday anyways unless you need to add funds or roll something over or simply check that the site is still there. And even going into your back office, that is still possible, the only time I haven't had access was earlier this morning but I got on a few minutes ago no problem. Why all the panic? That is EXACTLY what the people that are doing this want to happen and you are falling right into it.

Someone wrote and asked if I saw what this Goldkitty posted at MMG and that she dragged me into it. I didn't see what Goldkitty posted, I never go to MMG, I hope she was talking about my good looks because other than that what could she possibly say that would interest me. It has been said time and again to stay away from there but even the ones that say it I see post at MCF what was said or worry for some reason what they say over there. These people are irrelevant to us. Come on people, Sticks and Stones.

Relax and let Nick take care of this. I was paid earlier this week so I have another two weeks before I'm paid again, certainly not going to worry and pour over everything said in every forum by people that only speculate and get an ulcer only to find out that I get paid again.

Not going to do it.

Bruc e


I hope not too many people are sucked in by this Bruce character. You sure do have the big ego don’t you Bruce? And no Bruce I will not be commenting on your good looks, because that is probably one additional lie that you are spreading around. Bruce is a wanna-be-big player who wants to convince people that he is some big player so that he gains referrals. He tries to make people believe that he is some type of big time investor who is pulling in big bucks and attempts to lure in referrals with these lies. He was also a big bragger with respect to Krimm’s websites, but if and most likely when Krimm is indicted, the truth will come out. Straight from the CEP public website: He was claiming that he was pulling in $18,000 per month from CEP on various websites. As you can see, that was a lie and there is actually one withdrawal of $1,650.00 -- far cry from $18,000 per month as alleged.

100003263 BRUCE KRAMER 915-C W. FOOTHILL BLVD. SUITE 2 CLAREMONT, CA 91711 United States_ $8,399.00 LOSS

100003263 10,009.00 - - (1,650.00) 40.00 - - - - - 8,399.00 $10,009.00 initial deposit - Check withdrawal - $1,650.00 and $40.00 e-gold funding = $8,399.00 Loss

Since there are screen posts of STP transactions, of course, he is now claiming he uses Alert Pay so that his transactions cannot be traced to these screen shots.

You are just as bad as the scammers you promote. Please stop with all the lies already. Actually Bruce I hope that you do not show up here because I despise referral w*hores/hounds and people who possess no integrity. I have witnessed enough of those types of individuals with respect to CEP to last a lifetime.




The STP reports look legitimate to me. I recognize many of the names on there. If they are fake, let this Stella person make a statement to that effect.

What bothers me is if this "Stella" was letting this go on so that she could collect fees. If that did indeed happen STP should be fined, especially when STP liquidated Elite Ad Share's balance, and gave it to Jack Cobb to invest rather than to distribute it to the members.

you are quite right it's your money to do with as you wish, But I must ask and I hope you will answer as I am not arguing with you. But your comment confuses me, neither side can show proof??

Nick is offering an investment that pays 2.5% a day over the course of a 60 day plan. He NEEDS to show proof, nobody else does. Until he can show proof there is NO reason to believe it is real. What proof do you want people claiming he is not real to show? We all know there is no known legit investment that can earn 2.5% a day. So until someone can show PROOF of that happening we have to assume it's not possible, which makes Nick's claims even more dubious.

This has been covered over and over again in forum after forum and in thread after thread about scam after scam... yet still people ask for proof that something isn't real? How about the fact in the history of the known universe nobody has ever shown proof of being able to produce a 2.5% a day ROI. I think that is proof enough.. what else would you like to see?

How about this you meet two people on the street. Person A tells you they have the best damn Unicorn in the world for sale, actually they have a dozen of them.

Person B tells you that there is no such thing as a Unicorn.

They both claim to be right, but neither one is showing you any actual proof.

When you ask person A to see the unicorn they say they can't do that it's a secret and nobody is allowed to see it... you ask for pictures, nope they can't do that either, so the bottom line is there is NO proof that he has even one unicorn forget a dozen.

Person B, tells you to ask around, you talk to millions of people, search the net, watch the papers, watch the news on TV etc...etc... NOBODY in the recorded history of the world has ever shown ANY proof of their ever being a unicorn....

I would say Person B has PROVED it does not exist.

It is now up to Person A to prove all those people wrong.. if he can.

psssssst... Nick is person A if you can show me any proof anywhere on the planet of anybody having a long term proven 2.5% a day ROI I will be first in line to invest tens of thousands...

I don't give it a single thought, LMFAO. I have gotten into plenty of ponzis late and have paid my dues so I couldn't care less about some poor sap who had bad timing in the game which resulted in fattening my piggy bank. Now you will chastise me for taking advantage of a moron...well blame it on the person who told them about the ponzi and didn't explain the risks, not me. Like I stated in my post, I do not share these programs with anybody and I take no responsibility for their unfortunate losses. I have had plenty of my own losses and I take full responsibility so I don't need the morality police giving me **** about it (not referring to you).

Bingo. First time I agree with you.

I haven´t had much time as to read the whole thing yet but I wouldn´t feel comfortable if I knew Stella didn´t do anything about this, regardless of this being true or fake in the future.
It wouldn´t be serious.




Everyone and their mothers know my real name, address and phone number. It is posted everywhere in this forum. Everybody knows how many kids I have and what my offline job is ( proud of it for sure ) I have never hidden this from anyone since I don´t have reasons to do that. Never have and never will. Unlike others.



Wrong! I have never cried when I lost money same as anyone else. I just take risks and have control over my money, always withdrawing my seed money no matter how reliable admins sound. Hard lesson learned.
those who know me also know that I have what it takes to admit something was a scam and if P2P or any other program ended up being a scam, I would be among the first ones to accept and admit this. This is the way I have always reacted in the past.

Same as I see we agree about STP. This doesn´t mean we have the same style.
You bet we don´t.

BTW, my name is spelled INES

I just wanted to say that I know GoldKitty from another program and forum, and I've never seen her intentionally try to harm anyone.

She has her opinions and states them, and so do I. In fact, I am all for being able to state opinions and thoughts freely, without censorship.

GK trusts the government more than I do; that's one of the few things we've disagreed on in the past.

Anyway, I'm in only two online programs now, one being a surf site; on that surf site I am not advertising my other online program. Instead, I am advertising two horse rescue sites.

I don't want any referrals. Every program I've ever been in has either scammed or closed down, or been closed down by the government, so why would anyone want to join anything under me anyway?!

I am just seeking to earn enough money to live on, as I am disabled and can't work a regular job. I don't own much and don't need much. Like anyone else, I have dreams, and I keep hoping I have found a legitimate online program to give me a livable income. I hope one of the two I'm in now will do this.

I don't want to hurt anyone, and I don't want to see anyone hurt; that's why I won't be found trying to get referrals. I used to do that in a limited way because I wanted to help people, but I don't do it any more because I don't want to chance someone getting hurt because of me.

Anyway, I wish everyone the best.

And take care, GK.

Just got a PM about this thread and current issue posted on http://scamway-2-prosperity.net/

As I'm not anylonger member of P2P I feel i dont have the right to post my thoughts . but Be cation .... as it looks from STP screenshots it looks like a PONZI site where old members are paid using new members money and will die SOONER or LATER .. now that this is public it may die sooner than expected .... Good luck

Exactually....so why is everyone here once again posting the same old stuff over and over once again? So what is the point? To prove who is the mot self important? Love to stir stuff
up? Nothing else to do with your life? Sad,very very Sad! Mind boggling to me! Amazing!
Life is to short! What a waste of time of energy!

Ummmmm so what are you doing here??

Just asking.






No I won't chastise you at all. I appreciate your honesty and although we disagree I respect your point of view. Thanks for your reply.

Since you asked.
As if it is any of your business.......Because my student told me "you aren't going to believe this,the same old scammers,the same old cheerleaders,etc.,same old self importants, same
old trolls posting the same old same old over and over,all they did was change the name of
the program!" Just had to see for MYSELF! And he was CORRECT! But don't worry you won't
see me here again.....unless maybe I tell all my contacts and use this as an example.
As if it was any of your business!

My, how the tone of this thread has changed in the last few days. I guess all the cheerleaders have run off back to MCF or ASA to get a group hug. At least a few have stepped up and acknowledged that they knew what what P2P was really about. I can also appreciate those of you who dont want to drag anybody else into this sort of thing.

From reading some of the previous posts I would not be so sure that P2P is out of someones jurisdiction. Dont be foolish here and get greedy. I would not take a word Nick has to say as serious or believable.

If the guy really had casinos do you honestly think he would be trying to make you all rich?

Huh..good point. I remember an ASA newscast where Jake said Nick owns 6 CASINOS ..real casinos not online one.. huh ..that made me laugh so hard...

I found this very interesting post and just had to quote it here as i feel it applies:

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"It really isn't a Secret and never has been. It's a Universal Law, you get or attract what you focus on.

I choose to focus on my family, making a good living for them, friends and love for my fellow man, even those that are just plain stupid. As a comedian said, "You just can't fix stupid". But you don't have to argue or stoop to their level and become stupid also.

People live on different levels depending on their interpretations of their surroundings. I'm so much happier living the way I view the world and those in it and never having to look over my shoulder for the next shoe to drop than the muck, mud and despair glasses that others view the world through.

There is an old Indian tale called Two Wolves that goes like this:

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people.? He said, "My son, the battle is between two 'wolves' inside us all.

One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.
The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

It is clear that the dates in the screenshots are those when Nick stopped paying and was behind with payouts for awhile. No screenshot on the many days when things ran smoothly.
I find it normal to have funds there sitting and waiting. They could have been there and ready to use but had to wait until payouts resumed last Monday.

Just trying to figure out why this should 100% prove this is a ponzi according to what that blog states??
I don´t find this important. Really. Some screenshots of a few days when things whee behind means nothing in my opinion. It takes much more to fully understand how admin handles his business.

Actually even funnier is that before my posts were censored in the circle jerk known as MCF (or whatever the hell they call that forum) some member tried to claim that Nick and his contacts were in the process of building casinos in Macau. Which is really kinda funny as at the time there were actually two casinos being built, both privately held companies, one headed up by the old money guard and an upstart company headed by his son. Neither Casino was built, so they sure as hell were NOT paying any returns let alone 2.5% a day. But think about it even if he did own Casinos somewhere how the hell do they pay 2.5% a day? I mean how can he own a Casino? There are licensing issues, shareholders issues, etc..etc... the whole story is just so completely silly I couldn't believe anybody would ever buy it, but as they say "there's a sucker born every minute"

The deeper you dig into Nick and his stories the more obvious it is this guy is so completely FOS but some people are so deep in denial and so hard up for money they will do or believe anything if it gives them something to cling on to.






Ummmmmmm why would he have that much cash on hand? How in the world would that money be earning any interest if it was stuck in his STP account? Look at it this way, lets' say he actually had 600k in that account, and he kept it as cash on hand, and he had another 600k that was somewhere else earning profit. The 600k in play would in fact need to earn 5% a day as it would also have to account for the 600k that was not earning.

It is of course standard practice to keep some money in a cash reserve fund for any real and legit investment. But that would not be having it sit in an online payment processor, why would you leave money earning ZERO income. You would put it in a 30 day Tbill or some other instrument that would at the very least show some return.

it doesn't take long to see why and how this house of cards is going to fail, just hope not too many people get caught.

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I am not going to get drawn into the ridiculousness here, but i will correct you on this.....NICK never said he owned casinos.......if you heard that it was someone who misquoted or misunderstood. What he said was, he and his private group are major shareholders in 8 offshore casinos. In addition, Nick said they were looking into the Macau Casinos that were being built....he never said he was building/owning them.
Furthermore, since it has been determined that the person responsible for the ddos attacks, is the same person who hacked Nicks STP information and put up that self serving blog/site......doesnt really make a credible source.
Also, Nick has a great relationship with STP and an arrangement that none of you are aware of and wont unless Nick decides to make it public.
I just find it sad that this thread has become what it has over the past few days.....its not even a place for members anymore and most are staying away.
You people have said your peace.......let the members decide for themselves now. Those who wish to remain with P2P have a right to have this thread to discuss matters without fear of strangulation.
Its just sad.

One simple question, where is the proof? If they are major shareholders in any Casino it would be rather simple to prove it.. and as there is nothing secret about a Casino why is he not able to share that with his "investors?"

Do you actually know anything about investing in the real world and shareholders and boards of directors and so on and so forth? Please explain to me how EVEN if by some impossible stretching of reality Nick was a shareholder in a group of off shore Casinos, how in the world does that equate to P2P members earning money? They would have to buy shares in the company that has controlling interest, or at least purchase regular dividend paying shares... and they would only see profit once they sold those shares, or waited for their quarterly dividends. So how is it nick is able to turn that money around in 15, 30 or 60 days? You see the problem with his story is that anybody with any real world experience in investing can smell the problems with it from a mile away.

Not to mention if his group were major shareholders and his secret is out, why not show the proof now??? It's just makes no sense no matter how much you try to pretend it does.



I think you are missing the point of a forum, it's a discussion board, that means both sides of any story are represented. If you and the rest of the members are so willing to believe Nick without a single shred of proof that is of course your call but then you will have to understand why rational people will come here to try and help save new people from losing their money as this HYIP is nearing it's end..



You're quite right, Nick's lack of honesty and morals are very sad indeed.

You can twist my words all you like.....and........I have not seen a "discussion" here; only you and a select few basically calling the members stupid.
I have proof of everything I need proof more....probably more than most. You should be respecting members decisions and not scolding them for having such......that is NOT discussion.
[edit]personal attack[/edit]

All you gotta do is a search:

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New Las Vegas in China:
Gambling has been legal in Macau since the 1850’s when the then Portuguese government first legalized it. According to The Macau Gaming Authority Macau has 24 operational casinos, however on this site you will find some 40 Casinos and 6 Slots Clubs, of which six are casinos currently under construction. In the 2007 the Grand Lisboa has its soft opening just before the Chinese Year which was followed by Crown Macau in April. The Venetian Macau, the first casino to open on the Cotai Strip famously called by its owner Sheldon Adelson ‘Mother of All Entertainment Strips’ had its grand opening on opening on 28th of August. MGM Grand Macau and Ponte 16 Casino, both on the Macau Peninsula are expected to open in the last quarter of 2007.

If you believe the concession holders another 10 casinos by the year 2010 is not an impossibility.

Add to this the expected +/-40 milion visitors by 2010, up from 18 million in 2006, hotel rooms to increase to 36,000 from 13,000 today and the recent gaming revenue eclipse of Las Vegas, it’s no wonder!

So show your proof? As usual YOUR TYPE talks a great game but is never able to prove anything, only a bunch of platitudes about how you have "all the proof you need" but of course it's private and a secret right? Give me a break.



I don't have to search I've been there.. what does that have to do with Nick? Where is the proof that he or anybody he knows has anything to do with any of the current operating Casinos or the ones currently being built or planned? There is none... when you can show me proof I'll be all ears and I'll be ready to invest major bucks.. I think 25k is the max right? I'll be there as soon as he proves he has legal stakes in 8 Casinos...

ZZZZZZ...and now you've managed to bore me completely. Have fun with that carpal tunnel.

I really dont believe that Nick ever said that he owns any casinos or is building any, he said that he invests in the back end business portion or as a stock holder. Now, he also told me that he is into real estate also, does that mean that I know that for a fact, no it does not. I have never said that this will last for ever, in fact no one can really say how long it will last, but I will continue to watch it and make as much as I can and continue to bring up items that are wrong and make up my mind each month as to stay or fold. As for the one site and blog that was posted here, as far as I can see it is the same person that was the original programmer for Nick, but there are two sides to a story and as far as I know he is the only one that has a problem, is there truth to it, that is to be seen. As for the STP back office, that is disturbing that he was able to even get in, looks like when he was the programmer, he installed his self a back door. Steps should be definitely taken to not let that happen again.

As far as Gold Kitty goes, I will and always have respected her posts, but it is understandable for the way her replies are here due to the way she is portrayed here, in fact I know that Gold City in no way affected the out come of CEP, In fact I believe that we were the first to start talking about the out come and what was going to happen and we were slammed, but the out come was already there before we even said any thing.

The thing that gets me is why when a controversial statement comes out is why some always start name calling and some times personal slander, which just escalates the problem, why cannot any thing be discussed in a calm manner and that way every thing can be settled. That is one reason that I like this forum, as long as it is respectful, it can and will be discussed here with out censure.

Now I know that Gold Kitty did make one post at the MCF forum, and that was just a question of what is going on and no one answered, then I found out that when she went to make another post, she was restricted on making any posts unless a Mod approved it. Now I ask you ,is that right, that is censer ship in any form you look at it, how else can you look at it, I also asked the question as to why she was restricted, but no one bothered to answer.


Layton

Why does he have to prove to you anything? Who are you?

On the website:

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You probably know that most successful people have their money working for them, gaining high interest and great returns - we are no different. We have an investment portfolio that covers low, medium and high risk ventures. In 99% of cases, the average person does not have enough "liquid cash" to invest that can earn the high interest rates the millionaires enjoy... remember the old saying: "It takes Money to make Money"? Exactly!

We will assist you by allowing your funds to "piggy-back" on ours... returns earned in the "P-2-P Network" Private Fund is totally out of reach for the average individual !!


By the way,
Just finished catching up with this monster of a thread.
Basically, a good amount of cheerleading, some impatience,
plenty of ignorance, some smart analysis, and a whole lot of hating.
All the signs of a successful program.
Keep it up!

I am a guy that has access to millions of dollars via various funds and contacts that are always looking for high quality legal investments. We have invested in many places and oddly enough not a single LEGAL investment we have looked into has EVER not been able to or willing to prove how they earned their income.... UNTIL NICK....

Nick was contacted and was unable to offer up a prospectus of any kind, or any audited returns. He was not willing or able to provide a single shred of proof that he even invested on penny anywhere.

Don't you think that is an odd way to treat a prospective investor that is interested in what you have to offer? Oddly he only seems to be interested in Ecurrency payments for a few grand...

Look this can go on and on forever. Those that believe will always believe, even when the program fails (and it will) some will still not believe it, they will make excuses and it was the gov't that took him down or any one of the million usual reasons that scam artists give when they take off with the money. There will be the usual cries of I told you so, and the moaning of some that can't believe they fell for it.. and the circle begins all over again with the next 12DP, or RM or PIPS or pick your scam....

I really have had enough, I have spent far too much time here today already. I guess I just have a hard time looking at all of this nonsense and how people believe it. *shrug* I guess it takes all kinds to make the world go round....

So back to your worshiping of Nick I have better things to do... you're welcome to have the last word for now, but I will be back for my obligatory "I told you so" when the time comes

Oh yes,now I remember you and I also remember what Nick had to said.
I assume that is why you are here on MMG of all places.

I am stunned as well! Unbelievable, I cringe when I see what is posted sometimes. Has XXXX given permission to copy his posts here?

So it appears there is some censorship on the MCF. Thats very interesting. Why in the world would there be any need for such a thing with such a honest, well run, legal investment? Hmm, maybe its because Kent Black has been alleged to have numerous alias identities over the years and has run a few scam surf sites himself. Maybe he has insider information and its worth his while to try to keep this alive as long as possible. Maybe they are afraid of the truth.

Talk about a bunch of shady people caught up in this. If the PVR's and Bektrades are not enough to make you puke then you have the owner of a monitor come along and lie like a rug.
Unfortunately, its fairly common in the land of scams.

If P2P has stock and real estate like I heard mentioned then what would be so hard about producing the deeds and stock certificates? The hard part about that is that they dont have anything. Some of the blokes on here would like to believe otherwise but they know the truth deep down as they have participated in many sites like this over the years. They say the same old thing over and over and over again. Check any scam folder on any site and you will find the same referral whores there. They despise anybody that questions them because it might cut into their take of the ponzi. Dont get caught up in their lies.

I agree with you. People have to realize some ponzi promoters are habitual liars and they try to portray themselves are big players, when in reality they are not. they post about all the money they are receiving, but it turns out to be a lie. They post about their comfortable lifestyle and their material wealth, but it is just fiction. It is just part of their game, and yes you can find who they are by examining the scam folders and also various websites where their programs are listed as closed or pending. The site High Income Surf comes to mind.

You can't expect a person to produce evidence of stocks and real estate that does not exist.

Yes, the same phrases are repeated over and over. Have faith, Why don't you join (fill in the blank) that is more suited to you, Why don't you just ask for a refund of your money and go elsewhere. Of course, they want to silence people. The more people they can lure in as a referral, the happier they are.

Farewell everybody: I never stay around soul destroying places that actually tear at the very fabric of one's well being. (Please don't let this one go to the dogs) If the atmosphere does not reflect a friendly environment I will peacefully move on from MMG as well, life is too short for this people.

You all have your various reasons, for the Why's? and Against

The battle that is ensuing here is just differing opinions, based upon personal e.valuation, conjecture due to Nick not forthcoming with documentation to back up his recent statements.

It is not for me to question Nick if I wish to participate in his program, he after-all the Owner an Founder has every right to refuse me entry or grant me entry.

If I make waves for somebody who offers me such a potential opportunity in life, what wisdom would there be in that... Absolutely nothing I have to go upon my own intuition in this and trust that it treats us will in this regard..

If I listened to all this carryon in here of late. I would literally climb the wall.

I have to agree to disagree and will continue my journey for as long as P2P remains with us I will embrace it with open arms as long as I believe in my own heart this is not a Ponzi, but a man who has chosen to share some of what he has accumulated over his years.

I ask you respect those of us who chose to take a calculated risk, irrespective of whether it be your choice without having concrete proof of such vehicles existing.

For the little I have beside me in life to try an make work, the last thing I am worried or concerned about is requesting Nick to disclose his privacy to me.

On the other hand you big high end investors with money to burn may need this information, respectfully that is between you an Nick..If he does not wish to disclose his information, then the process is easy, you move on and those who remain continue to enjoy the program why we graciously yet have it.

Sanctuary

PVR I dont have nothing personally against you but I remember you've did same thing with HighIncomeSurf and HighIncomeClub of your friend Terry Kurtis.. same bs.. You come on forums and say how good a program you're involved in is, make the others that post red flags look like idio... May be some will buy wht you say but I dont .. I know your style..
Btw what about HIC you're a super moderator there but when the problems started you stepped back and started clean with Pathway..
Btw did you ever took that trip- prize from HIC in Mexico .. I bet you stayed home and lied the bunch of members that you're in Mexico , drink Marguerita and how cool Terry is... Treebart haven't received her wined laptop so ....

Hi Chris, dont forget Bob Krimminals Tri Star Media either. Talk about a travesty. Krimm enjoys his days now in Naples Florida the last I heard in a gated community. He previously rented what appeared to be about a 1000 square foot house in Michigan in the blue collar part of town. I guess scamming does pay or does it? It might pay in the short term but people are wising up and people like Krimm are not out of the woods yet from what I understand. If the law doesnt get him somebody else might.

Chris:
I was never a member of HIC and never made a post regarding HIC.....go and check!
I was a member of HIS but was never a moderator for that program.....I was only a member.......go and check!
When I found out i won the trip to Mexico, I was actually in Mexico at the time on vacation in Puerto Vallarta which is where I go frequently....if you look back at the posts you will see this........or you can confirm it will Vinman,or Treebart . As far as the trip to Cancun, which was the prize, I did not receive it either. I was told the travel agency which booked the trip had gone under.....which was confirmed.....and yes Treebartt is still waiting for the laptop.
I stopped posting in the HIS thread because it was just a bunch of people argueing......but I kept up with it daily. I notice you did not post either.......and of course youve never supported programs youre in?...right?
I think you have to get your facts straight.......or maybe its your poor english and didnt understand.
In any case, this is a P2P thread......barely.......since you and a few others have made it so unbareable that they no longer want to come here. Since youre not a member anyways, why are you giving input into a program you have no knowledge of? I know you were a member previously, but your posts obviously show you dont know the facts.
Now, that you have some checking to do i will end this.......and will not respond to you again. I hate it when people do not know what theyre saying before posting.

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I just want to tell you all that I got paid today from nov. 7th request.

ENOUGH!

This thread is turning into nothing more that a name calling exercise which is totally worthless. No-one can express an opinion without being flamed by someone who disagrees. So before I go any further, sorry Goldkitty for my earlier posts.

No-one is providing proof for their opinions, whether they are cheerleaders or detractors. Yes, it would be helpful if Nick provided proof P2P is legit. Yes, it would be helpful if Goldkitty provided proof P2P is a scam. Since neither side is currently prepared to give that proof you have to make up your own minds.

I have enough evidence currently to believe P2P is not a scam - so I'm staying invested. Posts like monalisa's add to my evidence.

However, Layton has the correct attitude to P2P. He is one of very few people posting here who can see the argument from both sides. He is not afraid to post his concerns about P2P when they arise which can be uncomfortable but he is spot on. He has currently chosen to roll over his investment. That is good enough for me. I admit that at the beginning I found his posts about his concerns about payment delays hard to stomach, but having been stung by Royal-pay's collapse this week I am now a lot wiser.

I have been through the scamway site and have found counter-arguments for all that is posted there - I'm certainly not prepared to take evidence from a hacker at face value.

James

Nice to see at least someone shows some common sense and understands what this is all about.
I learned there are different kind of cheerleaders .

People who do what they condemn. People who are so arrogant as to post that they are trying to "save us" and of course those who admit they will come back to say "I told you so"...LOL

Better leave this thread and ignore. Regardless of supporting Nick or not.
I guess that even those 1) who don´t believe in this program or 2) those who are always very cautious with any online opps as in my case, regardless of the fact that we find it a good opportunity or 3) strongly and 100% believe in Nick and are never cautious should leave/ignore this way to post "opinions" as long as it is about people with some common sense.

Some people are not able to express what they think without flaming those who don´t agree. It is the only way the have to catch others attention.

If someone needed help in this thread I guess they should use PM sent to any P2P member cause this is surely not the best place to do it without being flamed.

Have a good life everyone.

Despite all the speculation - I was just paid AGAIN from P2P. Program seems to continue running smooth and growing bigger.

Or let them keep at it!! All the back n forth, it's me up!!

It looks like things got a little heated in here yesterday. Please make it a point to try and keep things as professional as possible. By this I mean that you should stick to debating the facts surrounding this program, not personally attacking each other and arguing about each other's motives.

Thanks!

It's a shame you don't seem to see that there is nothing wrong with trying to make sure BOTH sides of any story is told. If people just let the cheerleaders come in here and say only their side of the story they are prone to talk about, people reading this thread that don't understand how a Ponzi works might actually believe Nick and his stories.

You are quite right, grown ups have to make up their OWN mind, but in order for them to make an informed choice of what they want to do then need to have ALL the info.

So while it's easy to say well neither side is showing any proof, so people have to make up there own minds. Correct, but the lack of proof is itself proof in a way.

Cheerleaders - Nick has paid me XX and he's done it XX number of times...etc..etc... ok I don't have any proof but I trust him.

Detractors - Ok, but so did 12Daily, Reality Millions, Swiss Cash, PIPS, the list goes on and on and on....

The reason all those programs failed is that they were illegal and had no legal source of income, so naturally they fell in on themselves.

I am "predicting" the same will happen with P2P, I have proof enough for me, and it seems the Ontario government agrees with me. Yes it is ONLY my prediction, but it is based on enough factual information that will soon enough be made public.

So you are quite right we can't save people from themselves but the goal of the "detractors" is not to stop the believers from investing it's to make sure that any new people that show up that don't have any experience with Ponzi's, HYIPs whatever you want to call them are doing so with open eyes.

As for saying "I told you so" I don't see that as arrogant I see it as gloating for sure, but you have to admit with all the ranting and raving that the believers are doing as they do in every program until it fails it does provide a sense of satisfaction to quiet them down. Not to mention the hope or belief that perhaps the posts warning people off might have saved even ONE person from losing money.

I will be the first to admit I do lose my patience when I see something as obviously fake as 2.5% a day ROI that people will defend, but I have to learn to accept that different people have different morals and different reasons why they do the things they do...so be it...

Good luck to everyone... I hope that the believers that are involved are not hurt too bad when it does fail, for those who aren't or don't get involved I hope something the "detractors" might have said in this post might have caused you to step back and question the logic of what is being offered.

Thanks everyone, take care.

It would seem to me that if you have contacted the Ontario Government , and they agree with you, you would be posting whatever info. you have......
Otherwise, youre letting people, who you claim to be saving from themselves, delve deeper into loss.
Its difficult to take seriously someone who claims to have info that proves a ponzi, but doesnt divulge it as soon as they have it.
We've all seen how government interference can delay things, so I hope you have not intentionally stirred things up that did not need to be stirred up......esp. since youre not even a member and have nothing on the line.
I have full confidence in Nicks abilities but when people stick their nose in, for whatever reason, it always causes discontent.
[edit]keep the personal discussion out of this thread[/edit]

If what you say is true, then all you had to say is that due to privacy issues you cannot say more.......but thanks for the rant!

funny how when someone responds to the POINTS you make and accuse them of suddenly its a rant

For those that care about operating legally... please feel free to visit the OSEC website http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/index_en.p you will find a very interesting little tidbit on there that starts this whole ball rolling...

Any individual or firm offering investments in Ontario must be registered with the OSC. In order to be registered, they must meet specific education and experience requirements.

Contrary to what Nick tries to make his "investors" believe having his company registered off shore does NOT mean he or it does NOT need to be registered to sell securities, the off shore registration is a tax issue, meaning it helps reduce their effective tax rate. Any person whether from the US, Belize or any other country in the world that plans to sell ANY investment from a location in Ontario MUST be registered with the OSEC. That is ONLY ONE of the ways Nick is breaking the law....

Ask yourself this even if Nick wants to keep his investments so secret for whatever reason, don't you think he should still be able to show you his registration to prove he is operating legally?

Red flag after red flag....

BTW that was a rant