Please tell me the cheerleaders aren't back to his tripe.. first of all I didn't lose anything second of all it's not about losing or not losing its about people being lied to and misled so that a select group can bounce from scam to scam getting in and out early while the masses get ripped off.. do your homework my friend

if this isnt a scam , then why should people worry?
what are you saying then ... take your money and run ?

I am not in p2p, dont have a dime in it. I stopped these surfs, hyips etc long ago and with good reason.
none of them will last as they are all ponzis, no matter how you try to spin it.

The one's that are excited probably don't want to rock the boat because they are afraid that their accounts may be closed. Instead of getting solid answers for the delays, all that is offered are more excuses.

The same people will still be excited when payments are 90 days behind as long as the program is still open. Even when it does finally collapse, loyal followers will point to all the "good" that has occurred (lives changed for the better etc.) but will not mention the majority that will lose most or all of their funds.

You will also find that the ones that post here who are happy are those who have received way more than they put in. Makes sense but the end does not justify the means.

Mark

If the site was dead than there would be no reason for anyone to worry about their accounts being closed. They are excited because the site keeps plugging along no matter what the naysayers say and the know they will get paid.


Who is way in profit. I have seen a few post that they have not taken any money out but are not worried at all. Wasylbrytan said he hasn't taken any out. What is way in profit anyway? I said I was in profit, I never said how much. Again, everything you and the other naysayers say is speculation.


If thats the case than why are you still here trying to argue against it. If it is so dead, I would think you would be wasting your time saving people from the next big thing. Why spend it here accomplishing nothing?

I see plenty of one post wonders from naysayers to, but we don't go at them like you do. They have every right to post. It doesn't mean anything. If a person sees a site that they are in getting bad mouthed they have every right to join the forum and state their opinion with out you bad mouthing them. Why don't you grow up.


There are many stock investors that are not running scams, but a lot of people have lost a lot of money over the years. Thats why. "you should never invest more than you can afford to lose" period

I stand corrected. Let me rephrase: the ones who are happy are the ones who believe that P2P is a real investment program and that they will continue either to have their account grow or withdraw more than they put in.

Regarding speculation, that is equal on both sides of the issues.

Mark

yes in general i agree , never invest in anything that you cannot afford to lose. however, publically traded companies have their figures out in the public. you can go see the figures and make your decision from there . if a company is not doing well you will know about it. yes some companies will cook the book, but thats a few. has p2p even once said that they are not getting the returns required and hence the delay? or anyother valid reason for the delays? does anyone even know what country their money is in?

Hedge funds can pay out in the 8% range per month. but never guranteed. you have something here that says 160% per 30 days. with terms of 14days to payout and while they are out 60 days in paying its members. yet there is no real explaination from any of the powers that be at p2p.

All ponzis will fail....is this one? In my opiinion it looks that way. show me evidence otherwise.

just putting out my 2 cents worth.

2bewealthy, your post makes way too much sense! The cheerleaders do not believe for a minute that P2P is a Ponzi nor do they believe that Nick should account for the "investments" because they are "private"!

Seriously, though, great post.

Mark

Again your speculating. You have no proof of a ponzi, it is your opinion. All the evidence I look at tells me otherwise. I choose to be a member and I am happy being in the program. You choose not to so there is really nothing that I need to prove to you. I am not meaning that to be ignorant, I just don't see a point in proving or disproving anything.
I would stay away from hedge funds right now, but that is my 2 cents worth

Like I said, just my opinion.

Hedge funds were just an example.

Care to share the evidence you have with the p2p members that maybe worried about their money or about-to-be members so that they can make an informed decision?

anyway... i just came to give my opinion and thats all.

That's Right, I Am Not Worried At All. I am an I TOLD YOU SO kind of person however, and I intend to gloat a whole bunch when these NAYSAYING LOSERS find out what they are missing!!! I might even post snapshots of my bank balance to add salt to their wounds. Keep up the good fight Vinman, maybe we should buy this forum someday and clean out the garbage, LOL!!!




You Are Right, All Ponzis Will Fail. But if you want to talk about ponzis, please use an appropriate thread, This is the wrong one.

Please show ONE piece of evidence that P2P is NOT a ponzi.. just ONE... not speculation based on membership numbers or I heard this or that, but ONE thing you can prove. .as that's what evidence is... I am quite sure none will be forthcoming... but keep up YOUR speculating.



Well I'm sure all the people making real honest money in legal hedge funds are just dying to cash out to join you in this P2P ponzi and no doubt they will take your advice to heart.

-do you know what country your money is in?

-private investing =being private to the public but the private investors know what the company is doing with the money they have. they recieve regular reports ie quarterly, annual etc. atleast a general outline is given ie money is in forex, or commodities etc

-have any of you signed a legal contract on your investments. something that would hold its weight in court?

-since they have not paid members 60days out and are withholding your money, they in turn are required to pay the interests on your holdings (canadian rules, being a canadian company or atleast from what I read) . are they ? if not , did you sign a waiver to this?

-outside out I know am getting paid, I made a lot or will, its been paying for a year +, Nick is honest, I know this is not a Ponzi, tell the other members or about to be members why this is a legit. I dont need to know this, but atleast other current members or those thinking of joining need to know

Must I go through this again? I don't need to show you anything. Your not a member, as far as I am concerned I wouldn't want someone like you as a member. I could dangle proof in your face you would still deny it. Show me ONE piece of evidence to support that it is. Waiting......... None? Oh thats right you don't have any!


Well I'm sure allthe people that lost real honest money in legal hedge funds are just dying to have their cash back. Maybe they should sit around and complain about the people that made money, kind of like your doing.
Oh, did you forget about how many people lost their life savings in hedge funds over the last year?


2b as you said your not a member and you don't need to know. Then why are you asking? Current members have a private forum to go to and ask their questions, those thinking of wanting to get in, know that they can PM members and ask them questions. By your post you don't plan on being a member so there is no reason to respond to your questions. I am not looking for referrals and I am not advertising for new members to join, so I don't really care to try and talk anyone into joining. Thank you for your opinions.

yeap as I said - I don’t need to know... but someone who is looking to join should get this info. and what better place than MMG which is independently owned/operated. I am sure you are aware there are some forums run by the surf/hyip/etc owners that have policies of no negative comments etc. people have lost their accounts as a result of posting simple questions.

I could also comment that shouldn't then p2p give out disclosure statements of the necessary facts to a prospect before they join and without that prospect having to think about what questions to ask?

anyway maybe I am making too much sense. I will move on...
thx

Please show ONE piece of evidence that P2P IS a ponzi.. just ONE... not speculation based on APPEARANCES or SIMILARITIES, but ONE thing you can prove.....as that's what evidence is... I am quite sure none will be forthcoming... but keep up YOUR speculating.

to the contrary your not making sense at all.
If someone is interested in being a member, they should pm someone they know or trust and discuss it with them. Who ever refers a person should answer the questions they have. It is not my job to school you or them. What is your point in asking? Don't tell me your worried about getting the answers for people thinking about getting in because they are capable of speaking for themselves.

To your first question of what better place than MMG? Let me quit laughing hysterically before I answer


Maybe we should! then it would be a good place for people to come for information.
I don't know if I would call it a good fight. I feel like I am in a battle of wits, and I am battling against unarmed people. It's not really fair.
Anyway p2p is great! I love p2p

For those reading interested in FACTS...

P2P is OVER 60 days behind in making any payments to it's members, regardless of the fact their OWN TOS states 5 - 10 business days.

P2P has a private forum for members only that has NO proof of why this is happening, many people in this forum are members and read it or have access through other people.

Cheerleaders that continue to say there is NO proof this is an illegal program are LYING to you. Simply contact ANY SEC office in the USA or the OSC or RCMP in Canada they will set you straight.

Don't be fooled by the cheerleaders repeated "I got paid" but when asked for proof they trot out the "I don't need to prove anything to you" speech, well in fact they don't need to prove anything that is true, but by going on and on about how much money they make and not being able or willing to prove anything is another huge red flag.

This ponzi is dying it's natural slow death, keep away from it at all costs if you are not in.

Fact is the TWO biggest cheerleaders in this thread will be long gone soon enough when this is finally buried, with new user names off to find some new sheep to sheer... they are just not smart enough to be in early enough like all the big players that have already left P2P a long time ago and are now in the next latest greatest thing...

I would add another FACT: no real investment pays a set % that is the same each period. The only fixed returns are on bank instruments like CD's or similar instruments from investment houses. The returns are guaranteed in writing and are due and payable upon maturity. Imagine a bank or investment company saying "sorry we are a little behind but will catch up soon. Please be patient and your patience will be rewarded"!

They would be shut down in a heartbeat.

Real investments have variable returns because that's how investments work. If the cheerleaders deny this, please provide supporting facts of your own.

Mark

What ponzi has ever died a slow natural death? Ponzis are here today gone tomorrow. When the well runs dry it is dry. Thanks once again for helping prove this is not a ponzi. Your really not any good at this naysaying stuff, maybe you should switch teams

Fact is if your considering me in this speculation of the two biggest supporters. BUZZZ!! wrong answer. I have been a member in this forum before you and I will be here long after your gone and hiding behind another name. I have no need to change names I don't care if I have referrals or not. I have made good money playing the surfing game now I am with p2p and no longer have to worry about my money, no more games just a great opportunity to change my life for the better. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to express my gratitude toward Nick and all the p2p staff.

FOR ANY INTERESTED NEW PEOPLE: The above is a post made by Nick himself on June 21, 2007. HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT P2P LASTING MORE THAN A YEAR, WHICH IT HAS , AND SAYS IT WILL BE HERE ANOTHER YEAR AT LEAST. Do Not Listen To Lies By Kint and Cronies, They Want You To Fail Because They Themselves Are Losers And They Want Company.




CV KINT Started posting this nonsense about P2P almost a year ago BUT P2P IS STILL HERE. CV KINT Will probably be posting this same nonsense next year BUT P2P WILL STILL BE HERE. I think CV KINT's credibility is on its last legs and will die a slow death in this forum.

Who exactly are you calling a liar? Anyone that expresses a different opinion than you? Why hasn't Nick changed the TOS that says payouts will be made within 5-10 business days? Doesn't that make him a liar too--at least according to your definition?

So what if it's still here. The fact is that P2P is falling further and further behind and is just delaying the inevitable. That is the TRUTH and cannot be denied.

In the end, guys like you and Vinman are people that say "don't confuse me with the facts". Instead, you'd rather believe the lies.

You also fail to point out in quoting Nick that he did a 180 on allowing differing opinions. That is now grounds for cancellation of one's account. So much for truth.

Your highlighted quote is a really sad commentary on your own lousy attitude. The TRUTH is, those of us who express opposing opinions want people to WIN by running legitimate businesses and not losing their money to scams. Maybe one day you'll "see the light" too. Then again, maybe not. One can only hope.


Mark

*yawn* another day another lame attempt by the remaining supporters to keep this thing propped up. Trust me guys NOBODY reading along at home is falling for your nonsense. As will all cheerleaders when you can't talk up a program you know like when it's 60 days behind in payments, you have to attack any voice that offers up an opposing view and backs it up with third party links and info is attacked... as soon as they start making it personal and unable to deal with the issues of the legality of the program you know their goal...

yes I am loser, poor me I wish I could be a winner like you... make note of the date today where the above supporters claim this thing will be here in a year... if you've got a few seconds do come back in a year and see who was right

this is from P2Ps second home.... Those well informed P2P members care to explain?

Newbie asking a question:

"Hi everyone. I'm a newbie. I was just wondering how P-2-P is going for everyone. I've read the posts, but just want to know how everything is going for the past two months
If anyone likes to share. Thanks in advance."

p2p member 1 replying:

"IF you're a member, go to private forum. We don't discuss P2P in a public forum. Generally, I can say it's going well. I've made 5 times my original seed amountt. Other than that, you really need to check out the private forum"

ok great info I am convinced ! ok maybe not...well here's another reply:

p2p member 2:

"Since you look to me a non-member I doubt that you will be able to go to private forum, and you are also new here in MCF .... so you can't use PM feature either. Nobody is gonna share info with you here in open as any info regarding P2P is classified, for members only. So the best way for it would be to go open an account, get in with the minimum which is 100$ ..... I can assure you you won't regret it. Find a sponsor ..... that will be a cooler thing to do as P2P staff sure don't want any newbie meddling with their affairs and get the current pulse about the program. "

HUH ! Newbie has to pay min of $100 to join to get into private forum to get answers since staff "sure don't want any newbie meddling with their affairs " ???

I know, I know , I dont know what I am talking about.... so I quoted 2 current p2p members instead .....

Mark I will be glad for you if you found a good program online, where the program owner would present all his records and give you a tracking system of the members' funds, provide you with his walk-in address, phone number, his SSN and other necessary documentation ....... and when this miracle happens ....... pray to God Almighty that your funds be safe...When online programs pay high returns on relatively small deposits, we people jump upon the opportunities ...... how easily we refer Hedge Funds ........ do hedge funds provide such ROIs ...... you folks would never dream of getting into hedge funds with 100 bucks and come into thousands in a lifetime. Even banks are not safe nowadays...

And perhaps Mark, you would not mind telling us how much have you lost with P2P or were you ever a member?

Hey dude, thats me you have quoted ...... I am flattered .... seems like I am famous, hehehe . I have same username on every forum .. what is your username over there in MCF? and how many accounts ..... errrr......... I mean how many usernames do you use online ....... you must be a brainy to remember all your credentials or perhaps you have log book always handy? Anyway, so much for the joking..

Probably you did not get the gist of my post over there at MCF ...... I meant for her to find a sponsor .... someone who could inform her of the necessary things ..... and why do you say 'pay 100$ for the info, hunh', are you cluttering your teeth that P2P has its info classified from prying eyes and copy/pasting people like you? Perhaps you need that info real bad ..... why don't you spend 100$ for newbies sake ...... hehe...... I bet you will be making money in spite of yourself Yes, I confirm we sure dont want a newbie meddling with support issues ........ we are already paying for such things with our payments being delayed but there is a funny thing to it ..... perhaps you will understand my point with someone's help .... someone with more attained and balanced mind ...... payments never stopped ..... they got delayed though ....... but they kept trickling ...... during this delayed time I have been paid twice and am on the verge of getting paid again ........ oh, hope I am not rubbing salt in your wounds if you might have any. Did not I told her that she was relatively new even in MCF ...... having so fewer posts as not being able to use PM feature either ....... still don't see my point in that post ...... I did not said for nothing that you will perhaps understand with someone's help And we are not cheerleaders ...... me, nor vinman nor WASYLBRYTAN here ....... we are members, we have money invested in there, we don't get paid to promote P2P, get your facts straight and put your acts together.

I saw you were here 2bwealthy and did not you asked us for an explanation ..... I thought you were reading my answer and were about to affirm or seek more explanation but now I see you gone ..... oh, ok, perhaps you gone to seek assistance to understand my response ......... ok ok, good for you.

- I dont hide behind different user names. don't need to.
- No wounds ..salt won't be an issue.
- I do well in the money dept so I have no issues not putting any money into P2P
- Why do I come here and make comments? I came for info pages and pages later still nothing so I ask a few questions and next thing I know I have to justify each question I ask with no answers to the questions I asked...
- I know and work with several people that earn over 100K per month , in very transparent companies, and transparent info.
At my current pace I will be in that range within the year ...maybe I will , maybe I wont, but at my current pace that is my goal. Could I get there faster by putting large amounts of money into a "private " investment plan that pays outstanding % per month within 10days ( plus or minus 60 days) I guess I could. But for me this is not my avenue.... my conscious works differently. To each his own I guess.

Then perhaps you won't mind relaying your username at MCF to me here ...... you obviously have'nt ...

I know some wounds are insensitive to salt .... hehehe


I did not said you had issues, maybe just for the kicks ...... or why rafe through pages after pages when you can get all the info with 100$ ..... should not be a problem for a biggggg gun like you

I guess that is an issue ..... do you have a complex inquiring about things that interest you in the least bit or the things you are sure you are not going for ....

Oooooooooohhhhhh, I am impressed, can I subscribe to your newsletter
Oh sure, you will get there in a year or whatever time .... after all, every dog has its day I could tell that just by lookint at the page your signature holds ...
My sentiments exactly ..... you really know there is such a thing in this world ...... to each his own .... wow, what a quote to end the dialogue ..... I strongly feel that you should really delve deep into what you have said in the last sentence.

No offense meant.

Peace

-if I am not hiding then maybe I have the same user name - thought cross your mind?
-took a 7wk vacation with the family earlier this year spent $30K on it.... so what’s a $100. its the optics behind it, that’s the point.
-not talking about some newsletter (I don’t even have one of my own, never cared to, sorry) . nope not conference calls either, and no I didn’t pay $10,000 for some seminar, or personal consultation, nope not hotel mtgs, or get together at someone's house....
-my sig ? – stuff is real. Not even my affiliate link there. Just good info I am passing along.

-I just asked some questions, maybe if the answers were forth coming then maybe I guess convinced enough to invest - who knows, anything is possible. so no complex-why personal attacks? why is about me now? I just asked simple questions about p2p and it becomes about me?

"to each his own"- not a phrase coined by me....

Probably my last post on this thread. Take care and wish you and the rest the best.

Hi - Just curious - is this the P-2-P thread or a rumpus for bratty children?

Seriously, discuss the program & take your p***ing match elsewhere.

Ironically, you make exactly the point that we "naysayers" have been making all along! There is NO SUCH THING as an online program that pays "high returns". How can you call them "returns" when it is just other people's funds being paid to you?

Once again, we ask for proof that any online program is NOT a Ponzi. Can we prove they are? Certainly. Name me one that is still around after, say, 5 years. Answer: NONE. Will P2P be the exception? NO. They cannot continue to pay 60% per month. The math is impossible. Time will prove this true.

Earlier in this thread I outlined what I have come to know as the requirements for a "legitimate" program. They are maybe one in a thousand. Personally, I have been in one for over 3 years (totally private and closed so don't ask) with a guy who trades Forex. He pays our admin 10% per month and we get 8%. You can compound indefinitely and withdraw anytime. If you think 8% is not much, just plug it into a compound calculator. I'll take that realistic return any day of the week! Your money will double about every 9 months.

This guy gives the group access to his trading accounts any time we ask. These are not screen shots but our admin has direct access to his accounts. However, as honest as this guy is with us, he got in trouble recently with the IRS and they froze the bank account attached to his trading account! The way that works with a broker is you can only withdraw funds from the same account you use to deposit. So until he clears things up, he can still trade but cannot withdraw funds. This is a clear case of intervention by authorities but they have that power, like it or not.

The point is that as long as P2P gives no access to their "investments", it is to be considered a Ponzi regardless of what the cheerleaders say. One scam listed here in this thread ran for over 18 YEARS before the culprit was caught! It is always just a matter of time. This scam artist paid much less per month than P2P so there's no way P2P can last that long--or much longer--because the math doesn't work.

Regarding my personal situation, I have explained it here before: I started with $500 and received $600 back even though I was a member for 3 months. When I canceled my account after I realized it was a Ponzi, I was told I had already received more than my deposit so I would not be paid any more. Therefore, I did NOT receive 60% per month in accordance with the TOS. We can go back and forth on the result but any real investment pays you the TOTAL that you are owed when you leave. It is ONLY online Ponzis that play the game of only giving you the least amount possible when you leave.

I don't need P2P's money. The reason I am here is to help others avoid losing their funds. This is a popular thread with many views so it's worth some of my time to be here. If enough people read the opposing views, hopefully they will realize that playing online games is a sure way to LOSE your money.

Mark



Uh, first it's a forum--a medium for exchanging ideas. Second, it is the P2P thread. If someone throws pot shots, the other party has a right to respond.

Does your comment further the conversation and discussion?

Nope.

Why not contribute something helpful?

Mark

You are right, this used to be a p2p thread, but it has turned into a testosterone contest ever since CVKINT started spouting garbage nearly a year ago. If you need p2p information there are several legitimate uncensored forums dealing with the topic.

Do you even think about what you post before you hit enter?

Here we are a year later?

Ummmm so what you consider successful is a ponzi that is OVER 60 days behind in payments and has now had an official warning issued against by one of the US state SEC offices...

I really couldn't care less what you or any other mindless cheerleader thinks about MY credibility... anybody that would invest in a program that is 60 days behind on payments with no logical or stated reasons, well clearly they need their head examined...

Keep posting champ you are by far the most brain washed cheerleader I've ever seen I am going to miss you when this one is completely over...

I would hate to see what you consider unsuccessful.

What's really ironic is that MARK USED TO BE A MEMBER AND HE WAS EVEN IN PROFIT, but he suddenly decided to badmouth Nick and asked for a refund. GO FIGURE, EH? I guess being noticed by other swampdwellers is more important to Mark than becoming rich, LOL.

Actually it's the cheerleaders that turned this thread in a playground as they are unable to offer up anything that even remotely resembles proof as to the legality of this program so their new game plan is to make personal attacks... keep it up, doesn't bother me in the least it just allows everyone to see your true colors..

So again, why is this program 60 days behind in payments???

I am not a member so it's none of my business? Ummmm well why would anyone join a program 60 days behind...

This is a discussion forum so why not for a change try to act like an adult and talk about P2P, how about some answers for what the investments are returning 60% a month, oops right there are NO returns for the last 60 days.. ok well how about an easy one when does the P2P Energy Bank open? I guess sometime in April 2007 like Nick first said... very very funny stuff..

Can you stay on topic or will you just continue with the name calling with NO content.

I quoted your post from 2007 which said essentially that p2p would not be around in a year. You were wrong then because, HERE WE ARE. Now you are challenging me to wait another year? How many years will you need? When you made that post in 2007 did you check it before you hit the enter button? Or did you conveniently forget about that one,LOL?



Noone is asking people to join. QUOTE (cvkint @ Sep 24 2007, 08:55 AM)
Well I've known Bill Gates for 20 years and I've invested with him for that whole time.. which without proof is exactly the same as what "snooch" posted.

Look it's your money invest where you want, the bottom line is there IS NO investment on the planet that is legit that will NOT provide proof.

Not to mention in the forum you are referring to they deleted all my posts for causing tension.

If a program or it's owner can not provide proof they are simply another program that will fail. Anybody that honestly believes this "business" will be able to endlessly return 2.5% a day needs to have their head examined.

Now all the cheerleaders can come in and say how great and how different this one is, etc..etc...that's fine, nothing you say will change the mind of logical people that won't blindly throw money away....

By the same token i know nothing I say will cause the zealots and true believers to change their minds. That's fine, such is life.

You know I stop posting in MMG for months on end and I guess that's enough time for me to forget why I stopped... then I came back and see P2P just the latest in a line of nonsense that will fail sooner or later and all reading all the nonsense surrounding it and it's promoters and I suddenly remember why I bore of this place and end up moving on again.

Do the math people... the 25k is a limit only for YOU the member. Nick the world class investor has no such limits on himself... 2.5% a day IS 8.2 million in the course of a year starting with 1k... so why is it he needs your ten bucks again?

Ok... flame away....

THIS PROVES YOU WERE WRONG LAST YEAR.

Again as you prove with every off topic post you make.. what is HERE you keep saying?

So you consider P2P to running business as usual as stated in their TOS??

Is it really that hard a question to answer?

I would say any business and I obviously use that term very loosely in this case that is NOT within their own state TOS is NOT here.. as you call it..

Any normal thinking human being would look at P2P right now being 60 days behind in payments and come to the conclusion that in fact you are quite wrong about it being HERE.

Why do you have such a hard time answering a direct question? Very sad.





No what it does it proves you have some sort of mental block about dealing in facts..

The program you are saying is STILL HERE, is 60 day behind in payments... doesn't sound very hear to me or any other normal human being....

But you keep avoiding the issue... I actually think it proves I was quite right, this ponzi could NOT continue with the rates it was offering hence the reason they are over 60 days behind in payments and the US gov't is now stepping into the mix

YOU are avoiding the issue, how do you consider a program to be running when it is NOT within it's own stated terms?

Actually, pending payments are at 65 calendar days, as of today.

1) Uhhh==why is P2P 60+ days late paying out?
2) If say --the 60 day plan pays 2% a day but doesnt actually pay after 60 days but in 120 days after deposit--isnt return 1% a day? Wouldnt that allow program to stay around longer?
3) Where is Nick?

65 days behind , it's scaring !

Pierre

It seems you are a lot further off the deep end than even I ever anticipated. There appears to be no hope for you at all. May God have mercy on anyone who even comes close to taking you seriously.




If you are a member, you know why; if you are not a member, the reason does not concern you.




Not Scaring To Me, LOL

Those of us who can read see plainly that P2P IS ABIDING BY ITS TOS!!

It seems this forum only wants negative posts about p2p. I noticed my warning bar is upto 80% and I did not even receive a warning since 60%. I am being censored and will be banned soon so I hope someone will take my place and protect innocent newbies. Edited: personal attack.

I am sure if you could manage to post on topic and stop all the pointless personal attacks you would have zero warnings.

Again can you please explain how a program that clearly states in it's own TOS that payments are to take place within 5 - 10 business day and is now at 65 calendar days is within it's terms? If you continue to simply say members know and it does not concern you then why do you even bother posting? Any newbie showing up that you are trying to protect from my "drivel" would love to hear your well thought out and reasoned answer as to why payments are so far behind terms...

Looking forward to your reply.




Really?

Here is the terms page,

https://www.pathway-2-prosperity.net/sysinv...;page=terms.php

Please have a read through highlight and copy the section here for us all to see where it explains how being 65 days behind in payments is within terms..

Thanks a bunch

Are you admitting that you are unable to read them for yourself, or merely unable to understand what you read? You certainly appear unwilling or unable to understand what I say in my posts.

A warning cannot be issued without notifying the member via PM or email.

The system won't allow it. Perhaps your PM box is full or your email provider
filtered your notification out.

A notification was given via PM each and every time... I have double-checked the PM system and they were DELIVERED but unread (it's not MMG's fault if you don't read your messages)

A reply was also given here to be sure member sees it (but will be deleted soon as it is against our topic guidelines): http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Censorship-...84#entry4982184

Aye, the never ending pattern.

For all experienced or older players/participants in the HYIP and autosurf arena out there: Doesn't P-2-P's current situation remind you a lot of Kim Inman's YMMSS and its end behavior? I've been feeling phases of Deja-Vu when reading through this thread during the past couple days, and I finally figured out why.

Never received any pm




I read every pm i receive, never got one




Does that mean I can post my 12DAILY PRO LINK? But i shouldn't talk about ponzis here, this is supposed to be a p2p thread. CVKINT accuses me of straying off topic but he is the one who insists on discussing ponzis instead of p2p.

No, Ironically, you miss my whole point ..... I can understand that you learned all these things after you have joined P2P and earned a profit from it taking it home and still asking for a refund ...... I guess you were not content with people's money that you have already recieved.

Please make up your mind if you are gonna perform a DD on a program prior to joining or you want time to do that for you .... obviously you are double minded in this regard.



Rest assured .... evey one who is a serious investor and has the stomach for it has enough ammo to vent out .... so I am not gonna ask you for the program ..... what is more ....... you say that he is a forex trader or recieves his funds from a forex trader ..... I would not go for such an ROI ....... thats 100% likely to go down the drain .... I would rather go for real estate investments ..... and you are quite wrong, since you have mentioned it ....... I have been in a non-private program for 8 years, come to think of it ........ 8 years of constant business without missing a beat ...... so I would not say that all of us are after a mirage looking solace online.



You say it all yourself .......... be honest with yourself at least...... ponder for a moment and decide that how many times during the course of three years you have been with this program have you asked for his trading statements? And how do you make sure that those statements are true to the effect? Have you also checked with the company who has issued those statements? What is your ...... I mean, investors' status with the company or trader who trades and earns for all of you ......



It is quite simple ...... for some people ....... if P2P don't gives access to its investments to general folk or its membership in general ..... some people like you would not consider it otherwise than a ponzi ....... thats strictly your choice ...... it seems. That can't be a claim ..... well I don't know what equation of math you are applying to calculate it ...... but one thing keeps surfacing ....... you were a member ....... you just got this wiser in last three months or after P2P, where were your brilliance when you put money in it ........... what you thought of P2P? Did you think that it was hedge funds ......... ? Did you asked for their business or investment documents ? Was your question evaded ? How many times you contact P2P staff for DD papers ? Well, if you were not sure if this was a ponzi or not, why did you invested money without being sure ...... was there a gun to your head?



In fact, I know you started out with 500$ but you were 5500$ in profit for which you abused staff as to why they stated that outright in the open ..... think again, I might be wrong. With 500$, what made you realize it was a ponzi ......... ? all of a sudden and while you already had your initial investment back ..... now that you have only time invested in this program you realized this was a ponzi ....... come on Mark, you can do better than that ..... I know you can. And come to think of it, you cancelled your account because you realized it was a ponzi ....... this looks like a political statement ...... you were kicked out of the program for being rude .... deny it and probably I will show you the proof but I don't think you will deny it .....




This is not about P2P or any other revolutionary program but in my 10-12 years online experience I have seen this thing more times than I care to remember ...... every body who is kicked out of someplace or is made destitute to have his or her way with someone ....... presumes the role of volunteer for public welfare ..... now that you have realized that you recieved profit money from P2P which is a ponzi according to you, why don't you return them the money and be righteous in your own eyes ............ at least.



Remember P2P is not a mark ..... so quit hunting it down, you can't do it anyway. Now that I have answered you in your own tone ..... I will let you know ....... that trusting a trader who trades in forex is less better than trading yourself ............ why don't you go trade yourself , you won't have to ask anyone for their statements. Have you ever tried being in control? I don't think you are a bad person ....... but you surely have lent yourself to the wrong cult ........ I come here often, also go to TalkGold ...... and I never speak low of these places but bad elements are everywhere ...... someplaces they are rife ...... someplaces they are a minority ......... but I gotta make my own element.
I have read Dr. Schugrudd saying that a person who invests money and is not an investor at heart tends to make more noise ....... but an investor would never do that.
Still the choice is yours.

Z