Edit: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS!
What industry exactly is P2P in, are you referring to the scam industry? If so then yes it will likely be considered one of the most successful scams ever....

The only way P2P members are in for a great future is if they become EX-P2P members and learn how to earn money honestly and legally.

If Nick is such a great admin why are payments almost two months behind? It can't be a cash flow issue can it? I mean this is a real business and the Casinos around the world are not in financial trouble, so what's going on with Nicks multi millionaire dollar a month income?

The support team? You mean the guys that said two weeks ago now that they all their training on how complex it is to press a couple of buttons they would be caught up on payments in a few days? Ummmm they have done a grand total of two days payments in the last two weeks.. doesn't like that great a support team to me..

BTW, how is the debit card and Energy bank? You know the one Nick first claimed would be launched back in APRIL 2007 it's a been a while.....

Cue the theme music for the Titanic

You can have your opinion and you voice it quite clearly, anyone that supports p2p is entitled to voice their opinion. Please try to be a big boy and refrain from attacking people for showing report.

Perhaps you could be a big boy and either not respond off topic to posts not addressed to you or you could maybe take a shot at answering the questions.. there was no attack but questions that ALL P2P members deserve the answer to, even ones like you living in denial

Since you are interested in answers, why not visit the real members' forum and see them for yourself? Oh, I forgot, you are not a member, then the answers don't concern you anyway.

Since you are interested in answers, why not visit the real members' forum and see them for yourself? Oh, I forgot, you are not a member, then the answers don't concern you anyway.

I read on the private forum the other day that they are "planning" something this week that we will be happy about supposedly

I think its pretty clear what it is, Warren Buffett has decided he wants into P2P and will be throwing a boatload of cash at this thing so everybody with pendings can get paid, not that this is a ponzi or anything.. plus Donald Trump has decided to partner up to get the Energy Bank up and running... it was taking so long because Trump and Bill Gates were bidding on who could be Nicks partner as they all go way back together.... damn naysayers... just wait and see...

I think its pretty clear what it is, Warren Buffett has decided he wants into P2P and will be throwing a boatload of cash at this thing so everybody with pendings can get paid, not that this is a ponzi or anything.. plus Donald Trump has decided to partner up to get the Energy Bank up and running... it was taking so long because Trump and Bill Gates were bidding on who could be Nicks partner as they all go way back together.... damn naysayers... just wait and see...

Mark who says they won't answer a legitimate question. If you are a member of p2p you are free to join their forum and ask your question. They have no need to go to other forums.

Here's some food for thought and a bit of coincidence. Gary (PVR), Chris007 and Barb (Wiseowl) all were heavily involved in the Tri Star mess. If I remember right, all 3 were mods for Bob Krimminal and all 3 were waving their poms poms 100 mph for dear old Bob's scam sites. Now all 3 are on Nick's staff. Sure hope this isn't an omnious sign. Talk about a credibility issue.

Here's some food for thought and a bit of coincidence. Gary (PVR), Chris007 and Barb (Wiseowl) all were heavily involved in the Tri Star mess. If I remember right, all 3 were mods for Bob Krimminal and all 3 were waving their poms poms 100 mph for dear old Bob's scam sites. Now all 3 are on Nick's staff. Sure hope this isn't an omnious sign. Talk about a credibility issue.

Here's some food for thought and a bit of coincidence. Gary (PVR), Chris007 and Barb (Wiseowl) all were heavily involved in the Tri Star mess. If I remember right, all 3 were mods for Bob Krimminal and all 3 were waving their poms poms 100 mph for dear old Bob's scam sites. Now all 3 are on Nick's staff. Sure hope this isn't an omnious sign. Talk about a credibility issue.

Here's some food for thought and a bit of coincidence. Gary (PVR), Chris007 and Barb (Wiseowl) all were heavily involved in the Tri Star mess. If I remember right, all 3 were mods for Bob Krimminal and all 3 were waving their poms poms 100 mph for dear old Bob's scam sites. Now all 3 are on Nick's staff. Sure hope this isn't an omnious sign. Talk about a credibility issue.

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You must admit it is somewhat funny that the people involved with P2P keep going on about how any negative talk will have your account removed etc..etc.. and how it's not allowed to be negative in public...yet what else can their be but negativity as there is NO factual information to be passed along... by all means if in fact they really wanted to stop the "swamps" as they claim simply post up the real proven reasons why things are as they are and once that is done everything will be fine.. but as they can't do that things will continue to sink into the cesspool it's become...

BTW say what you want about MMG and TG at least both sides of every story are told... unlike MCF or any private forum

There is a simple rule, if your not happy with p2p get out of the program. There is no need to come in to the private forum and complain, thats why they get warned about getting their accounts deleted. If your not happy no one forced you to be in p2p just leave, its as simple as that.
You can spout off and waste your time all you want but your not a member and don't plan on being one so they don't care about you.
Make a lot of sense to me to complain about a site that you made money in--not!

There is a simple rule, if your not happy with p2p get out of the program. There is no need to come in to the private forum and complain, thats why they get warned about getting their accounts deleted. If your not happy no one forced you to be in p2p just leave, its as simple as that.
You can spout off and waste your time all you want but your not a member and don't plan on being one so they don't care about you.
Make a lot of sense to me to complain about a site that you made money in--not!

As for it being ponzi, everybody agrees that ponzis, well-organized and well-funded cannot run longer than a year. P2P has done that, its past its age of being called or suspected as a ponzi ...

One of America's longest running Ponzi schemes

12-26) 17:22 PST SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) --
More than 5,200 clients across the country trusted James Paul Lewis Jr. with their savings, pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into his Southern California investment funds on the word of a few friends.

Many heard about Financial Advisory Consultants through fellow churchgoers. Lewis told clients that investors included professional athletes and at least one movie actor.

They marveled at Lewis' consistent reports, over two decades, of annual returns nearing 40 percent from one fund and 20 percent from another. Periodically they saw fellow investors cash in as much as $250,000.

It all came crashing down this week, when a federal judge froze the company's assets and the FBI carted away documents and computers from Lewis' three-room Orange County office suite.

No charges have been filed, but the FBI alleges Lewis was operating a "Ponzi scheme," in which early investors are paid with money from later investors. The federal Securities and Exchange Commission says his accounts totaled $813 million.

"It's a house of cards," said Barry Minkow, himself once imprisoned for seven years for defrauding investors through his ZZZZ Best carpet cleaning company. "It will go down as the longest-running Ponzi scheme in history, and the mutual fund that didn't exist."

Minkow now works as an anti-fraud investigator for San Diego-based Fraud Discovery Institute. He provided state and federal regulators with documents questioning Lewis' legitimacy, also prompting an investigation and story by The Associated Press earlier this month.

The FBI's search warrant and the SEC's civil complaint listed the same warning signs as the AP's story: the 57-year-old Lewis was investing tens of millions of dollars for clients and claiming extraordinary financial returns without being licensed or regulated as required.

Moreover, the El Toro-based firm has never provided clients with any details on how it invests their money. Since June, Lewis has been delaying withdrawal requests with the excuse that millions of dollars in investments have been frozen by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. There was no such freeze, investigators say.

Investors said that, guided by trust, they missed the warning signs.

"He's a family man, he's a religious man, he goes to church every Sunday. He sent us pictures of his grandchildren," said Tom Parsa of Irvine. "This is devastating, devastating news."

Parsa was vacationing in Mexico when he learned his family's investment of more than $3 million was in jeopardy.

Kevin Haugh, 47, of Woodbridge, Va., said investors thought of Lewis as "a poor man's Warren Buffett."

He sent Lewis $30,000 three weeks ago to add to the roughly $2 million three generations of his family thought they had squirreled away. "I was planning on retiring in a few years. That obviously isn't going to happen."

Lewis has not responded to multiple telephone messages left by the AP over three weeks, nor to letters sent to him by registered mail and overnight delivery. His attorney, Douglas J. Pettibone, said Lewis won't comment, but intends to fight the allegations.

At the same time he began delaying withdrawals last summer, Lewis raised the minimum investment from $25,000 to $100,000 for his growth fund and from $10,000 to $25,000 for his income fund.

Though Lewis has blocked most withdrawals from his funds since June, he withdrew $3 million from his own account on July 1, SEC court filings show. He "continues to live well," his administrative assistant, Mary Lopez, told federal investigators last week.

Lopez, who has worked with Lewis since 1997, told investigators that Lewis has a home in Laguna Niguel, a vacation home in Palm Desert and a membership in the nearby Indian Ridge Country Club, where the initiation fee goes for $95,000. He owns at least one Mercedes Benz and is awaiting delivery of another, Lopez said in a sworn statement to the SEC.

The firm operated with no more than three employees, and Lewis himself rarely showed up at the office after the first year she worked there. When Lewis did show up, he spent his time trading on his computer. Lopez said Lewis told her he was trading Swiss francs on his own time and account.

The only funds that flowed into the firm were from investors themselves, she said.

In six years, Lopez saw no business activity or any indication of the lucrative projects Lewis wrote about in his monthly newsletters. Clients accepted the newsletters and Lewis' monthly statements as the only evidence they needed that investments were soaring in good times and bad.

When one client demanded more information, Lewis told him to take his business elsewhere, authorities said.

Clients say Lewis is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and his first clients came from that community. But over the years, his investors came from churches of many other denominations as well.

Most said they accepted the word of their fellow churchgoers, and were reassured when Lewis periodically paid out as much as a quarter-million dollars to mostly wealthy investors who rarely withdrew the bulk of their contributions.

One San Diego investor, who asked to remain anonymous, said he had invested about $500,000 -- most of his net worth -- but had been slowly withdrawing several hundred thousand dollars to care for his 4-year-old autistic son.

He thought he had built up a big nest egg. With the firm's collapse, "I'll have to pretty much sell my house, sell everything," he said. "My life's pretty much devastated."

Sorry, Vinman, but that is ridiculous! What you have outlined above is fascism and has no place in a free society. How do you think change comes about? By "making waves" and debating real issues.

If I follow the rules and do everything I am supposed to do, then the other party has a shared responsibility to do their part. If not, I have the right to question their actions--or, in this case, the lack of them. There is no legitimate reason why Nick and company cannot come on the private forum and explain exactly what is happening. The fact that he uses others to deliver vague generalities should speak volumes about his intent.

The psychology behind these scams is not to be under estimated. Guys like you are "enablers" because you just go along with the status quo and never question anything. This allows scam artists to have a field day with those who really believe the program is real. You also enable the con men to bilk the majority of members who will lose all or part of their funds in the end.
Let's face it--and correct me if I'm wrong--but you won't question the current situation primarily because you don't want your account canceled, right? Instead, if you're in profit, why not get together with a bunch of other brave souls who are in profit and get to the bottom of this scam? At least that would be productive and would serve as the right type of warning to the membership at large.

The fear tactics are working and it's a real shame how many people will lose in the end. "If you don't like it then leave" does not justify this or any other scam. Maybe one day you will realize that you are making money at the expense of others each time you help to enable the next scam artist.

Mark

I make money everyday at the expense of others. So does wal-mart, mcdonalds, and every other business. I guess you could say I am making money at the expense of the p2p team for all their work. How about all the money you made and are making.
Maybe one day I will realize what a great opportunity I have stumbled across. HEY! That day is here

Sorry Mark
You know nothing about me so quit trying to assume anything. You Know what it makes you.
Guys like me are the leaders of society. I has never gone with the status quo. I am the person thats fights city hall even if I will lose just for the princible of not giving in.
Guys like you have know idea what they are talking about but want to spout off and look like fools. Don't judge me when you have not a clue of who or what I am.

You are way wrong about everything! I have no reason to question anything. I got paid when my turn came and everything is going just fine with my account. I think everyone at p2p is doing great and they have answered any questions that I have asked.

Your right about one thing. I don't want to get my account canceled. Thats because I plan a long future with p2p and I am happy to be a member of something that has helped so many peoples lives.
There is no fear tactics. as I said it's simple, if your not happy they will let you out and you can go on your way.

I make money everyday at the expense of others. So does wal-mart, mcdonalds, and every other business. I guess you could say I am making money at the expense of the p2p team for all their work. How about all the money you made and are making.
Maybe one day I will realize what a great opportunity I have stumbled across. HEY! That day is here

I agree! - I will be making another deposit into P2P on Monday, I want to thank everyone here for showing me the way to P2P. Ain't it cool guys?

"Don't listen to those who promise you wealth overnight, my boy. As a rule they are either fools or swindlers!"

Thanks for the advice! I really do appreciate all the views here from each side, and after much thought I just couldn't resist making several deposits into P2P and some of Kent's programs. It's going to be a fun ride, I kinda feel like a little kid going to Six Flags throwing darts for some toys. It's nice having more dollars than sense.

There is a good place for children like you, as well.

Edit: NO I guess not and obviously YOU didn't report it either... instead you just copied it and repeated it over again

Yeah, typical is right. It is typical that when a ponzi is dying, a member has to change their username to avoid their account being suspended or deleted for telling the truth as it is. P2P has been no different with it's threats to it's members from Nicks goons, Gary, Chris and Barb.

Also, btw, I have to say, that Gary was not a moderator on Bob's scam sites like Chris and Barb were. So I stand corrected there. But he was very vocal on that forum with his nonsense cheerleading posts. In fact, he was also very vocal in High Income Surf with all his posts telling us how this program was run with real investments. What a crock! Now he says the same thing about P2P? What a crock!!!

Let's see, it is now 51 days behind on payments for P2P now. Wasn't this supposed to be caught up 3 weeks or so ago when Gary said in a few days, everyone would be happy because a slew of payments would be made by Nick and they would be caught up? Hmmm, wonder whatever happened to that?

Here's some food for thought and a bit of coincidence. Gary (PVR), Chris007 and Barb (Wiseowl) all were heavily involved in the Tri Star mess. If I remember right, all 3 were mods for Bob Krimminal and all 3 were waving their poms poms 100 mph for dear old Bob's scam sites. Now all 3 are on Nick's staff. Sure hope this isn't an omnious sign. Talk about a credibility issue.

They have better sense than to frequent "swamps" like TG or here for that matter, although I have some respect for this forum, it does harbor a few idiots such as yourself. Just for the record..Gary was not a Krimm Mod.

Thanks for the advice! I really do appreciate all the views here from each side, and after much thought I just couldn't resist making several deposits into P2P and some of Kent's programs. It's going to be a fun ride, I kinda feel like a little kid going to Six Flags throwing darts for some toys. It's nice having more dollars than sense.

"Don't listen to those who promise you wealth overnight, my boy. As a rule they are either fools or swindlers!"

In Nicks's case, he is of course a swindler. If in doubt, check out his post history:

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/search.html...posts&st=25

and pay attention to his very first posts on this forum.

A HYIP playa who is happy with a $7 payout isn't a successful businessman, people!

I Wonder if "Arlo" conveyed the same concerns at the private forum. I doubt it and I'm confident that isn't even his user name at P-2-P. Changing his name so his account will not be purged. Typical

Sorry Mark
You know nothing about me so quit trying to assume anything. You Know what it makes you.
Guys like me are the leaders of society. I has never gone with the status quo. I am the person thats fights city hall even if I will lose just for the princible of not giving in.
Guys like you have know idea what they are talking about but want to spout off and look like fools. Don't judge me when you have not a clue of who or what I am.

You are way wrong about everything! I have no reason to question anything. I got paid when my turn came and everything is going just fine with my account. I think everyone at p2p is doing great and they have answered any questions that I have asked.

Your right about one thing. I don't want to get my account canceled. Thats because I plan a long future with p2p and I am happy to be a member of something that has helped so many peoples lives.
There is no fear tactics. as I said it's simple, if your not happy they will let you out and you can go on your way.

I make money everyday at the expense of others. So does wal-mart, mcdonalds, and every other business. I guess you could say I am making money at the expense of the p2p team for all their work. How about all the money you made and are making.
Maybe one day I will realize what a great opportunity I have stumbled across. HEY! That day is here

"Don't listen to those who promise you wealth overnight, my boy. As a rule they are either fools or swindlers!"

In Nicks's case, he is of course a swindler. If in doubt, check out his post history:

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/search.html...posts&st=25

and pay attention to his very first posts on this forum.

A HYIP playa who is happy with a $7 payout isn't a successful businessman, people!

I think its pretty clear what it is, Warren Buffett has decided he wants into P2P and will be throwing a boatload of cash at this thing so everybody with pendings can get paid, not that this is a ponzi or anything.. plus Donald Trump has decided to partner up to get the Energy Bank up and running... it was taking so long because Trump and Bill Gates were bidding on who could be Nicks partner as they all go way back together.... damn naysayers... just wait and see...

Finix, did you just recently find out about the p2p thread and felt the need to catch up with PN on posts? Dude, you've Edit: hijacked TG and it looks like you're out to blow up MMG too.

53 days behind and counting, and the site down, again; they say it is for 'maintenance' but it seems very strange to me that they would need to take the site offline for quite so long so often. Onwards and downwards!

[yes - OK - it's back up now but the point remains]

I wonder if it's been explained to the "troops" why the server has to be down for "maintenance" each day and why for so long? Over at the MCF forum, the "regulars" tell those who question it that they should just accept it. All too typical.

Mark

Yeah, typical is right. It is typical that when a ponzi is dying, a member has to change their username to avoid their account being suspended or deleted for telling the truth as it is. P2P has been no different with it's threats to it's members from Nicks goons, Gary, Chris and Barb.

Earlier I gave you credit for being reasonable and fair-minded. I now take that back. You are more caught up in this HYIP cesspool than I originally thought. Your debating skills could use some work as well.

If I'm "way wrong about everything", of one thing I am 100% certain: P2P is a scam, plain and simple. "A long future with P2P"? That's an oxymoron! "Helped so many people's lives"--right, at the expense of other people's lives, specifically the ones who put money in the program over the last 60 days or so. There is no way to sugar coat a scam.

You contradict yourself about the status quo issue because you apparently are not consistent. You say you fight City Hall yet you won't fight against scam artists. Hmmm.....let me think, which is more important? Answer: they are equally important.

"The leaders of society"--wow. You're a real humble guy, Vinman. For the record, I am not judging you at all--just stating my opinion based on the facts in front of me. You are judging yourself with your arrogant attitude that rationalizes that it's OK to make money at other people's expense.

In the end, we reap what we sow. Not even you can change that.

Mark

Vinman, I wish you well. Your comments speak for themselves. There is little more to say.

For the record, I made my own decision to get out of P2P for the right reason--it is clearly a scam. I am no longer upset that they stole my money. I've moved on. That does not excuse how they run their "business".

If you or anyone else here make utterly foolish comments, I will still respond. Other than that, have a wonderful day!

Mark

Vinman, I apologize for not making myself more clear. By "moving on", I meant that I have accepted P2P's poor business practices. OTOH, I will still be here to respond to the drivel posted by you and the other cheerleaders.

Clear enough? Hope so.

Mark

Vinman, I apologize for not making myself more clear. By "moving on", I meant that I have accepted P2P's poor business practices. OTOH, I will still be here to respond to the drivel posted by you and the other cheerleaders.

Clear enough? Hope so.

Mark

If you are correct in your opinion of p2p, why are negative posts from you Edit: Namecalling removed needed in order to bring it down?