The guarantee is for your ORIGINAL DEPOSIT, not the money in your BACK OFFICE. When you cancel your account your back office no longer means anything. Why do you have such a difficult time understanding that? Is it perhaps because your mind is made up and you don't want to understand otherwise?

Mark it appears your drunk off of your kool aid. I can argue with a drunk

God has been there for me my whole life and will continue to do so. I said I praise GOD, and I do. Dont tell me not to mention him. He is the only one that I praise, no one else. I PRAISE GOD!, I PRAISE GOD!, I PRAISE GOD!, I PRAISE GOD!, I PRAISE GOD!, I PRAISE GOD!

Mark as I said, no one feels sorry for you. If this was a ponzi as you put it and you are so worried about it not being legit then why are you insisting it is your money. You got your money back. Sounds like you owe $100 back so you can ease your conscience, but no you want $800 more dollars. I see you are a hypocrite, scream ponzi in one hand but want your piece of the pie in the other. Explain it the way you want but you thought you could pull a fast one by closing your account before your investment expired get "your" (as you call it) money back before everyone else and run laughing as you think no one will get paid.

Regarding Chris and Gary, they know way more what they into than you do. Getting used to help thousands of people make extra money! Yeah thats the way I want to get used. I wish Nick would use me so I can help thousands of people make their life better.

If and thats a huge if would fail then your right I will carefully wait and join the next thing that I can hopefully make money at. I have coached many people in this industry and everyone that has done things my way has made money.

The fact that your still here tell me you will continue to join these programs to.


Yup! thats it

Vinman, What country from you from? What is my name? I from the USA!
You just exposed yourself! You did not answer any of the questions I asked. Yes, I believed Terry and I believed you. At that time we could call and talk with Terry on the phone that made it easier to believe.
It is not true what you said about kissing but I guess that is the only way you have to express yourself. I argued with you on his (Terry's) forum about pay outs and you got all bent out of shape. You said give it time and so on and so on.
I have not spent any of my money in internet programs since July 2007.

Gary is probably a good person. I am not arguing that fact.

For the record I hope everyone makes lots of my money in P2P! I do not have anything against people making money! I have a good friend in P2P and I hope he makes lots of money because God knows he has tried hard. I mostly read here and do not post and I will go back to doing just that.

Now I am going quit here with this argument.

Now I want to apologize to the moderators and everyone else that reads this forum for starting this argument. I was out of line. Vinman and I have a history and I should not have said anything in this forum. This forum is about P2P and not Terry, Vinman or me.
I will quit here I promise.

I hope everyone has a great weekend including you Vinman!

God is Good!

You guys crack me up but that's great because I can always use a good laugh.

Vinman, I'm still here for the purpose of warning others and not to look for the next Ponzi.

I'm really curious why you both keep referring to a "guarantee". I didn't request a guarantee but a refund of principal. They are two very different things. Let's use a simple investment analogy, shall we? Especially since P2P is said to be a real investment.

Now if I deposit $500 this month in my investment and they pay me a 60% return, I now have $800 in my account. Are you with me so far? Then I withdraw the $300 profit leaving me with the original $500. For the next two months they pay me $300 more each month and I withdraw all the profit. So far, I have received $900 which is what was promised. (In the case of P2P, I must re-deposit the $500 each month. You can argue all day long that it's not the ORIGINAL $500 but that is a ridiculous false argument. The ONLY way to get the same $300 per month is to re-deposit the original amount.)

Then I decide I no longer want to participate in this investment and request a refund. Do they tell me, "Sorry but you've already made more than your principal so we're going to keep your deposit"? Of course not. They would have every regulator on the planet all over them. Instead they refund my $500 for a total of $1400 over the 3 months.

Do you get it or is this too difficult to understand? In the case of P2P, they actually hadn't paid month 3 yet because they are so far behind. Any REAL investment would operate as described above because it is the moral, ethical and legal thing to do. Period.

Let's take it a step further and ask this: when I re-deposited the last $500 and was paid a return of $800 into my account, whose money was that? It had to be mine because in order to get it I had to request a payout. The requested amount was the full $800. Yet you tell me I am not entitled to it. Looks like a contradiction to me.

Enjoy the rest of your days with Nick while they last and stock up on the Kool-Aid while you're at it.

Mark

BTW, praising God is wonderful just not in the same conversation as P2P.

I don't really drink a whole lot of kool-aid. To much sugar. I get these sugar free things that you add to a bottle of water. Its much better for you and they have some great flavors. You should try them, they are better for you than kool aid and improves the taste of water. I will stock up on them tho if you like!

Glad to give you a laugh mark. I am laughing my self at all this. Your good people your just refusing to see it the way it is explained to you. No point in explaining it again at this point.

Do you get it or is this too difficult to understand? The same question back to you.

I will enjoy my days with Nick. I haven't made as much yet as I have in some surfs but I am in profit. You bet I will enjoy it. And I love seeing the post from people that he has helped out by making their lives better.

If Kent did not break a sweat he would not mention me as a hit and runner on his latest newscast. It does matter and he does care and he is worried because otherwise he would not even mention such a thing. Real business would not even be mentioned here at MMG, TG, MCF, ASA ect.......


The pressure is getting to this crook spyder and you know it. The heat it getting hotter and Kent is afraid. Afraid of losing income that he scams from others of course and mostly newbies. He is a white collar criminal imo.

I was not banned from any of Kents progams because I was not stupid enough to join an obvious ponzi scheme in the first place thank you. I have done a few hit an runs on Kent though over the years. Joining now will only be for my gain and not his. I wonder how close he is watching. He may get paranoid with a large deposit. He will never know with me. Kent is a scammer and a ponzi operater and a crook. Stay away from him.

Exposed my self? What as a hit man? If you don't know what country I am from, I am not telling you. Us hit man have to live in secrecy.

If you don't know your name I am not telling you. It will be fun watching people call you and you don't answer because you don't know your name.

Dude you were the one bent out of shape. Thats when you starting kissing up on me trying to be my friend. Friends like you who needs enemas in mean enemy's, well actually either one works for you. I don't get upset over this stuff. I have a life off line and I don't care what people say about me out there, I sure am not going to get upset at things on here. What ever Terry told you is between you and him, I don't have anything to do with it. And you should really bring your concerns with him to the proper thread. End of story.


Leave me out of you wishes. Now you make me want to have a bad weekend. LOL
Don't worry about me, every weekend is good.

Dottie says: What will be next?

I don't know. I live for today and today P2P and dollardayhits are the best programs to be in.


Or until you feel like stirring the pot again. Cause that is what you do. You see an opportunity to try and stir a pot when it is settling and you come in make you little comment then bow out trying to get everyone arguing. We have a name for people like that.

A handful of payouts today? Guess money really is a problem.

Please stay on topic here.

It would be nice if this program could continue, because it is a good oportunity to make some money, however if not, there are other prograns, isnt the end of the world if this program died for me.

It's July 26th and they're still working on June 9th requests - 47 days now and counting - should be 50 days by the end of the month, and 2 months second week of August (if p-2-p is still up then)...

Who IS Kent?

A man of severely limited intelligence who runs My Cash Forum and 24surfmonitor - two sites that heavily promote p-2-p. My guess is that he has a whole load of money in p-2-p - I expect he and his autosurf offerings will be early visible casualties of the p-2-p collapse aftermath.

[I doubt anyone here will object to me describing Kent as a 'man of severely limited intelligence' - he regularly attacks MMG - one of the more polite terms he uses to describe this forum is a 'swamp']

I see vultures...

Yes, so do I. Payouts are now at 45 plus days. Seems that millionaire Nick might not be a millionaire after all and all of his stories that were told to members were lies. Who would have figured that? Chris and Gary are nothing more than paid shills to keep the fire lit? I notice they are missing in action these days as the heat gets turned up.
Where are the hard core cheerleaders these days? Not much to defend here as the truth is now becoming more obvious. p2p is a ponzi scheme and there was NO truth to Nick's lies. How sad.

I ask again why this scam is not in the closed/scam forum. It surely deserves to be there for sure. We know that payments will not be honored in the future but I guess you could say that about everything on MMG. No offence to MMG as TG and others are the same.

Sorry to those that lost money here but we tried to warn you. The braggers and Nick have your money.

I'd also like to know the purpose of Gary and Chris recently "meeting" with Nick to go over manually working with the database. Gary claimed it took hours but was "worth it". To whom?

It's not surprising if they are MIA since they may finally be realizing that the puppet master has been stringing them along.

I'm not sure what role Tappin has but he has not been around here lately to chide us naysayers. It seems the troops are all just hoping that somehow Nick will make good on his empty promises.

What's sad is that even the cheerleaders don't understand that the majority of those who have been compounding all along as well as those who deposited in the last 60 days or so stand to lose everything. But, hey, I know: as long as they didn't use grocery money, what's the big deal, right?

That's the mindset that enables all of the scam artists to have a field day on the Internet. Apparently P.T. Barnum was right.

Mark

What I will never understand is the mindset of people who say everything negative that they can about a program and then expect to derive profit from that program. In my view, such a mindset borders on the criminal. What's even more stupid is the fact that a person who was actually receiving profit from a program, deliberately chose to quit the program just for the privilege of badmouthing the CEO. I guess some people are willing to sacrifice a substantial income just so they can turn into sheep and follow Pansy down the toilet.




One thing you can learn from the more experienced members of this forum is to never take anything seriously that Pansy Nemesis has to say. Her posts are pure nonsense and have no factual basis.

For those playing along at home that don't like to post you will notice that this poster that has always been very vocal about how real this is and how much money everyone is going to make and how rich Nick is etc suddenly can't come up with a single shred of positive info to spout about this scam, so now he has taken to simply insulting people for no reason and quite frankly with no logic behind it

The negative mindset he is referring to is when a member of the program that went in with at least somewhat of belief based on a friends suggestion that P2P might be different, once it became clear to him it was just another Ponzi he decided to leave and close his account. Of course the scammers at P2P stole his money and he has pointed that out, but it's too hard for the dying cheerleaders to understand he is doing so out of principal not because he needs or wants the money simply to show others yet again what a liar and thief Nick is.

I guess that lesson and those morals will never be understood by the type of people that willing to play these games...with no regard for where the profit comes from.

So WASYLBRYTAN are payments all caught up now? It was going to happen any day now for the last three weeks, what was the point of all that manual training that the boys did? Why would there be any reason for the payments to be this far behind? Is Nick dead? I mean the investments are still earning the millions right? The sites don't need to be up for that to happen.. actually the P2P site doesn't even have to be up for payments to be made they can make them from on offline copy of the database and send them manually via the payment processors... anybody that was ever unsure before now can clearly see that this program is a scam, there is NO real logical given reason why if there was in fact the cashflow that is claimed that payments have fallen this far behind... the end appears to be very very near on this one.

Why does my mindset border on "criminal" but yours does not? I am simply providing an opposing view. You just don't happen to agree with it.

All of the positive postings in the world cannot change reality. If I don't like my financial adviser or my investment company, they still allow me to make a profit. What difference does it make how I feel about a particular person or company?

Regarding criminality, anyone who participates in a Ponzi or similar illegal program can be held liable if investigation or prosecution takes place. Instead of filing charges, the authorities generally confiscate all the money that's left. Once a receiver is appointed, you can basically say good-bye to your funds. I don't necessarily agree with these policies but that's how the system works. Don't take my word for it. Just go to the SEC or DOJ website and ask them. The RCMP works the same way.

Nick may think he is out reach but he is not.

Yes, I expected to be paid what was promised. Who wouldn't? My feelings or remarks have no direct effect on the performance of the program. If Nick is a gazillionaire, there is nothing I can say or do to change the performance of his "investments". Why doesn't he just ask his friend, Branson, for an advance?

Mark

Cvkint, thanks for the summary of my position and for your common sense post. I couldn't have said it better myself! It's nice to have another voice of reason here in the "swamp". There's an old proverb about hearing but not understanding that is definitely in play here.

Mark

What's the latest on this side of the fence? Anyone hear anything from Nick or the mods?

I want to thank you for your wonderful insight into P2P, also I must give a shout out to Ponzi and Drill for the wonderful words of wisdom shown here in this forum. I am so glad that I spent the last few weeks reading your posts everyday, I was amazed at the time and effort one would spend here to educate us all about these programs. Once again thank you so much for being bold enough to stand up and shout your words from the top of the mountain.

I want you to know that because of the 3 of you and a few others I felt like I had no choice but to "let it ride" and made some large deposits into P2P and several of Kent's programs. Please continue to share your thoughts about all the wonderful internet programs out there so I can find some more programs to fund.


Regards,

CashProBuilder

What a boring thread,right or wrong so boring......

Oddly enough that is the ONE thing I thought this thread would never be called haha

P-2-p "Server Time: Jul 27 2008 00:08" but payments still 'stuck' on June 9th requests - so now we're at 48 days and counting - just in case there is anyone left who still can't see that p-2-p has effectively stopped paying. For those with money tied up here you are better off at this stage accepting that it is lost; clinging on to the hope that you will get paid now will only cause yet more damage to your self-esteem.

Mark,

As I walked away from the argument of many years past, I do so again, now. It seems you would prefer to see things in the TOS that just don't exist and base your argument on these fictitious reasons. We could play 'what if' all day long, but this half of 'we' chooses to move onto other things. You'll either get it, or you won't.

**End of comments directed toward Mark specifically.**

To those who make claims that your negativity regarding P2P stems from a desire to help or warn newbies about getting into this program, I ask you, what exactly have you been doing to help these you think to be so gullible? I see you have been shredding not only the company, it's owner and it's staff, but you also put down the people who have already registered and decided to invest. How exactly does this help any newbie?

Why are there not posts in here and other forums giving instruction to these newbies on how to conduct their own DD? There are plenty of resources on the web that can tell these people how to do it, what to watch out for, and explain the basics behind many of the sites listed within this forum and many others.

If your true intentions are to help the newbies or to keep them from investing (and in your eyes, keep them from losing their money), then why not take the focus off of bashing those already involved, and help those who have yet to join? Making those already invested fearful and defensive does no good at all. Not for them, nor for the newbies you claim to be wanting to help.

My unsolicited advice; leave the current members alone and actually attempt to teach those who are not already involved.
l\/l

Yes its boring other programs I am in much better....

All I can say is that, on the assumption that 'Nick' and 'Kent' pay at least some of your deposits out to others in these 'programs', I hope that they need the money more than you do. It does rankle a little, though, that they will take a fair chunk, if not all of it, for themselves. However, given that you have had the opportunity, as you explained above, to read the 'wonderful words of wisdom' posted by myself, Drillbit and others in this thread over the last few weeks and then still decided to make 'large deposits into P2P and several of Kent's programs' I will not be shedding any tears for you when you realise that every last penny of this money is lost and gone for good, along with everything else paid in since the end of June and most likely for a few weeks before that too, as must be becoming increasingly obvious to everyone now, and will be self evident to all before the northern hemisphere summer morphs into that season variously known as 'fall' or 'autumn' throughout the English speaking world.

I tell you where the hurt is.



I\'ve heard P2P is having big financial problems.

Thousands of new members who\'s money is now with Nick are hurting. The ones are hurting who did not have a chance yet

to take out their seed money and probably they never will. They are hurting badly. Also those who were counting on P2P as a business and were

counting on their requested payout (as business income) which is still only on the screen and has not arrived in their bank accounts.

Facts:


June 04 was paid on July 03

Three days later June 05 was paid on July 06

Five days later June 06 was paid on July 11

Seven days later June 07 was paid on July 18

Two days later June 08 was paid on July 20

Three days later June 09 was paid on July 23


From July 01, 2008 until today, July 26 they\'ve paid only 6 days.


There is only talk about catching up with payouts, big promises but nothing is moving in the direction of REALLY trying to catch up with payments. They just want to buy more time.


Please nobody tell me that I am not doing anything for the profits, that I am not entitled to it. I know that. However, I also know that P2P has my money, they are handling it and I sure would like to know if I will ever see it again. Also, they are always telling their members \"run this like a business\". When you go to the forum and read the latest posts you will find personal attacks, group attacks, profanity and name calling. Nobody corrects the attackers, moderators just standing by and watching quietly. What a swamp it has become.


They are having cash flow problems that\'s why they pay only 6 pending days in a month. By now we are talking about millions of dollars in back pay.


I even tell you where some more hurts are. People who want to find out WHEN payout will resume are prosecuted. The private forum is full of hyenas

and tear the member who asks anything regarding payouts apart. Tensions are so high, no wonder they are fighting with each other like animals.

Or if they don\'t eat you alive they tell you to cancel your account and get out because they don\'t want \"negative\" people in \"their\" program. You are negative if you ask about payout status.

And of course

there are the b*tt kissers who are burning to find out when they will get their money but they are so scared to ask that they tear apart anybody who raises any questions.


P2P new policy is: DO NOT ASK ABOUT PAYOUT BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHEN AND WE\'LL EAT YOU ALIVE IF YOU DO ASK


Sometimes Gary drops by and writes a so called update to chill high blood pressures but those updates mean nothing. They are just put

there to keep the majority of members off of their backs and to buy more time.


I encourage everybody NOT TO invest here. P2P is having MAJOR PROBLEMS

I guess if you actually spent the time to read the whole thread or a larger part of it you would see there have been tons of good links and contact info for people to use when conducting DD not only on this scam but on any program online or offline that is based in the investment arena. ...your point is exactly right that is what should be done and it is done on a regular basis, now perhaps you would be so kind as to address the "cheerleaders' whom whenever a link to a gov't agency or contact info for a third party research location is posted jump all over it and belittle that info whining about gov't cover ups and I'm above the law posts.... you see like it or not both sides of this or any coin always have two sides... I don't belittle the people already in, I belittle them when they tell me how stupid or bitter or whatever I am for not joining in and having my life changed by Nick, I guess I would rather avoid the kind of life change that MOST of the people involved in P2P are going to end up having...




I am sorry you've had to learn the hard way that in fact as many people in this forum and others have been saying for quite some time, P2P is not now or ever was a real business. If they are so intent on the members treating it like a business why is it they can't do the same? I don't know of any other financially based product on the planet that when 1.5 months behind in payments would have the nerve to tell the investors that they have to be patient and that all businesses have issues.. ummm yes they do, but then that would mean P2P would have to be a business first. I hope your loss was not too great here, I know of a few people that are in very serious shape.... sadly one friend that I did all I could to first try to get them to stay out, then when they did get in pleaded with them to take out their seed ASAP, they are rookies in this online game and incorrectly assumed there was a set of rules to be followed like a real business.. now they have not only lost their seed but the tens of thousands in "compounded profits" (i.e. numbers on a screen) the stories will start coming out in force now. Once we pass the second month of late payments people will be missing bill payments they counted on P2P for and living expense will be drying up, like many times in the past the damage is going to be downright heart breaking

MegaMoneyMaker, once again we can agree to disagree and there is no need to continue the conversation. Once again--for the record ad nauseam since guys like you use selective listening/reading--my account is still OPEN and accessible in my P2P back office. It has NOT been canceled as of today. Therefore, your argument is moot.

Regarding helping others, I believe a few of us have given very simple advice: do not invest in ANY Ponzi. It can't get any easier than that.

There is no way to do DD on any program that is "closed", i.e only the operator and a few others know where the money comes from. Unless you sign an NDA and receive and sign actual documents, then there is no program. Get it?

Even then, unless the program is registered with the proper authorities, you will still have no recourse if it fails. The ONLY way to be completely sure is to have all of the funds in your own account and under your complete control. In order to do this, you generally need at least $10 million to participate. Anyone here have that kind of change? This is how REAL HYIP's operate--IF you can even find one.

Anything else is simply a pooled program with fictitious investors. That's why there is so much secrecy surrounding these programs. There is a huge difference between PRIVACY (hence the need for NDA's) and SECRECY. If a program is legitimate, there is no need for secrecy (which equals deception).

I challenge you or any of the other cheerleaders here to produce an Internet program that is a REAL HYIP. To qualify, they must require an NDA, the principals behind it must have verified contact information, and the documentation must be verified by an independent source. The very first question to ask yourself is why would any HYIP even openly advertise on the Internet to the masses? Instead, you would be invited by a trusted associate and then provide proof of funds for your $10 million!

Since I have been on the Internet (2000), there has NEVER been a pooled program that has paid and is still around. If you know of even one, please provide evidence.

You guys are simply playing GAMES. It's no different than buying a lottery ticket or gambling. If that's what you like, then so be it. Good luck.

The point of those of us who care is to let others know what I just stated above. As long as they enter this coliseum with eyes wide open, then fine. But not everyone who comes here is aware of the risk because they are caught up in the HYPE (the real name for these HYIP's). Many times, the operators outright lie in order to get people to part with their money.

The opposing view posted here will hopefully help those who have been misled. Helping just one will help many others in the process.

All of you participating in these "games" are just taking other people's money, the same as at a racetrack or a casino. The difference is that those represent legalized gambling. These do not. This is not a judgment, just a fact. If you're OK with this reality, then keep at it. In the meantime, I will continue to present an opposing view. After all, that is the primary purpose of a forum, is it not?

Mark

Mustang2007, thank you for that post. It's about time that the truth starts coming out. It's ironic that this and other forums are referred to as "swamps"! No surprise that the P2P forum is now a chaotic zoo. If they are indeed "punishing" those that speak out, that just proves what some of us have been saying here.

I, too, hope your loss is not that great. Those newbies who made first deposits in the last 60 days and those who have been compounding for months stand to lose the most.

Mark

No way out? I lost some money here.

Sorry to read about your money loss ida76. Best thing to do if you decide to invest (and I use that term loosely) money in ponzis, get in early and get out fast. Described as a hit and runner, but to be realistic, that is the only way to play these games. I made a nice profit, got out before Dec. 2007 and never went back. The only thing you have to do is control your greed and you can make a nice penny in many cases. Problem is, a lot of people can't control their greed, and that is when they start having problems.

BTW, noticed that the natives are getting restless. In the P2P forum itself, a little birdie told me that Nick's PIC's (Partners In Crime) Gary (PVR) and Chris (Chris007) are threatening to cancel people's accounts if they even hint at trouble for P2P or demand what is happening with payouts. Theres way too many red flags here and has been for some time before the lack of payouts became so noticeable. Members have been told for weeks by PVR and Chris007 that payouts would be caught up, and it hasn't happened. Now they are behind 47 days, and with July almost over with, they will still be paying for June payments in August (that is if they are still around in August, which I strongly doubt.)

Oh, also noticed over at the highly censored MCF, there are members there getting pretty nervous...it's never a pretty sight when these ponzis go down the drain.

Don't ya know it, you should have been in the Legisi forum as it become clear to the most die hard they had been taken..talk about eating their young...wow.... some of the stuff said I can see this one heading that way shortly

Nick guarantees the amount you put in P2P. Now I have a serious question so please no smart remarks.

Now I know the bank has their members money insurance in case some happens. How does Nick back up his guarantee if P2P closed for any reason?

Thank you ahead of time!

Hello Layton,

Can you answer the question on the guarantee?

Thanks!

Unfortunately the guarantee is just words. Ironically, I have been told by the cheerleaders here that I should be happy with my "refund". In my case, I received back what I put in plus $100 because I had been in for 3 months.

Anyone who recently put in new funds or has been compounding without any withdrawals is not likely to see their funds. There is also no recourse except trying to sue Nick.

Mark

Assuming of course Nick is his real name.... the address he lists in Baysville, ON is a mail drop and nothing more..so as with all things to do with P2P what the loyal members are led to believe and what is actual fact usually have little in common...

WELL, this 'Thread' has definitely made for a very interesting weekend .. far from bored while my family was away..
I've learned a lot...the people I thought were men here have turned out to be women with a grudge against men, that it's fun blasting programs that work, that it's easy to post comments on programs without reading their forums (payments .. it's in the "I got Paid" section of the PRIVATE forum)I DID GET PAID....my partner did also...for the 23rd) or even trying to find out the truth...I also learned that by mentioning a name here... any name... I could count on a long rambling, backstabbing interlude on that person


BACK to REALITY...the family is home... real people, with real intelligence and the ability to play well with others...or NOT... depending on the circumstances..but I do know the circumstances will be investigated with intelligence and not pure malice and hate with no substantiated foundation.

I agree that this thread is very illuminating...however, the more irrational the discussion becomes the more I and others just want to jump into these schemes and earn(like someone else mentioned)...NOW, I'm logging off and going to pay my monthly bills with the funds I've received from P2P and I've only been a member since MARCH...it owes me nothing now except the earning power I have ahead of me with reinvestments of earnings.

How is that possible, are your account closed?

Hello Donnie, a guarantee is basically only good if the business or person wants to abide by it and honour the said guarantee. If there is no written and signed guarantee and signed, all you have is their word on it, and even if it was signed, would it be worth the expense to sue over it?



Layton

I don't think you people have got it right, it is not about honoring one's word, it is all about letting the words sink in for what they stand for. It is clearly written in website that this guarantee in on your initial deposit. Now learn it that any guarantee which is on initial deposit stands for the deposit you made when you joined the program MINUS all the earnings you have taken after that. I don't believe in such guarantees but such a thing sure encourages a new-comer to feel safe. But .... and this is a very strong BUT .... if the program is destined to lose in the end abnormally this guarantee will lose its meaning and valor. Andy of 'The Finer Things' bestowed this guarantee on his hyip and in the end scammed a lot of people and left enough unhappy members, he then sold his XLO autosurf to Bob Krimm and Bob Krimm of Tri Star Media Group also had this guarantee on 'initial deposits' and when he ran away with people's money buying a home in Florida, many many late-comers were scammed and this guarantee was not honored. Now P2P has this guarantee on initial deposits, and Chris made it quite clear in a recent refund request to a member who I believe also posted here that he owes P2P nothing. His initial deposit was adjusted into his earnings ... So I would say there is no guarantee and no ambiguity about it... P2P site clearly states it, you better not derive your own meanings from it. If you happen to be unaware of the 'guarantee on initial deposits' thing, thats your baby.

Peace.

P.S. Such ignorance and high expectations in vain cause grief after a short while and P2P site also says to 'ask first'. Better come informed and trained to participate in a business as a sleeping partner ...

Ok bro, his address is only a mail-drop ... so what? His phone number is just a reverse phone .... does it make any difference? People have gone and met with Nick in person, I don't think he should relay his address for all to see and access him anytime they want, he has his own life, does not he? I think we should be sensible when making such remarks, he has plans for his membership, but should he give up his life, his privacy, his family and social connections for this cause, just because he wanted to help people out? NO, no no ... I strongly believe this is not fair. Okay, here is a situation ... go figure .... if Nick provided us with his real address, maybe some of us would go and meet him and confirm his address and residence, after that some problem (God forbid) comes along and causes the program to roll-back (God forbid), would that make us faithful? No, definite no. So there is no point in pointing out such absurd and useless things which are just things to say and not to do ...

As for the part leading us P2Pers to believe in something ... you are quite wrong here too..... we have been led to believe in delays, we have been led to believe in solutions, we have been led to believe in facts... and we believe in them just like that. We believe there could be delays, we believe there must be work being done for their solutions, we believe it is a real business and it could face loss too. If anyone and I repeat anyone does not have the stomach for the loss along with profit, he should even then act upon what P2P website advertises in bold red prominent letters:
You must stay away at all costs!

As for it being ponzi, everybody agrees that ponzis, well-organized and well-funded cannot run longer than a year. P2P has done that, its past its age of being called or suspected as a ponzi ...

Peace.

I believe you meant that someone was paid ON the 23rd (of July) for a June request, right? There's a huge difference.

Those of us who are speaking against P2P are simply providing an opposing view. It's great if you can pay bills NOW with P2P payouts but that is changing fast. There are many others that stand to lose all they have in the program.

Lively debate is what forums are all about. Being forced to agree with the majority is known as fascism and no good comes from that mindset.

Mark

Why do people feel the need to lie or to pass along false info and pretend it's true? I KNOW people personally that are still waiting on pending payments from long before the 23rd so either you are lying, believing something without checking your facts or P2P is once again engaged in selective payments...






yes it does matter actually, when you invest with a REAL company they give you contact details and an office you go to and meet staff and you know do business things that businesses do... oh right.. that would only be applicable for a real business.. which P2P is not...you can't honestly believe that Nick is running some multi million dollar investment empire out of his house with a few staff members that don't really seem to be doing anything... can you? Hmm judging by your post you can.



Hahahahahahaha, everyone agrees do they? You might want to talk to the people in Legisi that PONZI (now proven in court documents) ran for well over a year.. almost two so I don't know where you get this nonsense about a year being a cut off this P2P thing is a ponzi plain and simple it will be proven in court as well, whether you believe it or want to accept will have no bearing on the issue..

Well, if it's the truth people are seeking, they sure won't find it with you Bonaventure...total lie that payments are now to the 23rd....June 10th payments are being paid today...48 days behind I might add. Shame on you for your lies, I really doubt that you are putting more money into this ponzi. Just spouting your lies so you can lure newbies in so that you can get all your money out of it before it dies for good. The old robs Peter to pay Paul scenario going on here for sure!

I DO NOT LIE nor am I recruiting...I have a lifelong friend who was paid for a 23rd request!!! I personally don't want the responsibility of a referral....it's not what this is about...

I PERSONALLY feel that admin here should put a stop to the real liars in this particular thread..the ones who, no matter what just have the need to degrade anyone, anything and everything...whether it is successful or not...it's just plain bitterness.

I was quite sarcastic yesterday and it's not like me so I won't be coming back here as it's far to demoralizing and brings out the worst. Last thing I should ever have done was read this forum over the weekend...whether the program runs or doesn't run, is honest or not...the people in this area are definitely not people to be trusted, listened to or associated with.

The same can be said for this quote from mustang: "I\'ve heard P2P is having big financial problems."

Where was that heard? from someone bashing the program on a forum?

Same for all you that are saying its a ponzi. You have no proof at all. So why do you feel the need to lie and pass along false info and pretend its true?



BTW I want to mention something that is true I WAS PAID my request on the 10 of june was paid today. I am going to celebrate by making a house payment. THANKS EVERYONE AT P2P FOR THIS GREAT PROGRAM!! Keep up the good work.

Let the threats begin. Be careful what you say if your a p2p member. This was posted by Chris at my cash forum today.



I am wondering when p2p is going to do something about me, cvkint, ponzi nemesis, mustang and others. After all we are all just "anyones" as they state in their terms. Too bad we are not members. They have NO leverage on us. This is what happens when a ponzi starts to fail and the members get restless. Threats are made to keep those fussing quiet a bit longer to drag it out as far as it will go. Otherwise, they get their accounts deleted or stolen depending on your perspective and it all goes downhill after that. I hope you members can see the fear that they are trying to place in you and we all know censorship will not survive the test of time and that is something that p2p has very little of now anyway.

Vinman, let me help you out here. You cannot prove that P2P is NOT a Ponzi. Does that make you a liar? Of course not. It is your OPINION that it is legitimate. The opposing opinion is that it is not.

One of the purposes of a forum is to debate issues as well as exchange ideas. Those of us who disagree have just as much a right to be here as those who support the program.

Congrats on your payout. The TRUTH is that payouts continue to fall further and further behind. That is a FACT based on the current status of dates being posted. Please tell me you don't believe Bonaventure's friend was paid for the 23rd of June. I'm quite sure the friend meant PAID on the 23rd. Otherwise, where are all of the other payouts?

Name calling by anyone is wrong but calling someone a liar for expressing an opinion is just as wrong.

Mark

(emphasis mine)
This is a CLASSIC line. I can't tell you how many times I've heard this one. It is from Psych 101 and is called "blame the victim".

Has Nick even explained to the membership why the "investments" are taking so long these days? They either pay 60% per MONTH or they don't. In fact, if these were real investments that fluctuate monthly, a variable rate would be more suitable--and realistic--don't you think? I'd rather get say 10% of something than 60% of nothing. Surely they have a reserve fund for emergencies, right?

Mark