cvkint

has found the right online companies that do not fail and pay more than a bank does.

the community would be interested to see this list....thanks

Then what does it make them? If they don't last, it means they took the money and ran, right? It's important to remember that in these "blind programs", i.e. no one knows how much money is in the pot except the owner, once the funds reach a certain amount they just shut down.

Then they either make plausible excuses, or say they will do you a favor and start another program (like 24DP and others) or they just disappear. Any "real" HYIP would have an actual business model and would allow you to have control over your funds at all times.

Try to name one that has ever done that. That's why they are so rare and certainly would not be advertised all over the Internet. In fact, they would require an NDA and be private.

The closest I ever got personally was about a year ago with a so-called "pooled investment". Everyone signed an NDA and our admin had complete control over the pool of funds. There was delay after delay for months with excuse after excuse. Finally our guy pulled the plug and refunded our money.

Over the years, I have known a number of trusted associates who have tried a ton of apparently legitimate HYIPs. All have turned out to be Ponzis in the end. Some lasted 3-4 years because they were just well organized. At best, if there are real ones, they are all ghosts!



See above. The primary reasons it has lasted this long are a growing membership and the majority more than likely compounding most if not all returns. Remember in order to make a return, you must re-deposit. That way Nick always knows the total amount in the pot and how much is owed. No one else does.

A couple of years ago, Golden Rocks was paying 90% per month compounded and they lasted well over a year before it was clear they were a Ponzi. It's just a matter of time before they all collapse.

Charlie also made a great point earlier about the debit card/bank nonsense. That's another ruse that accompanies most "organized" Ponzis. The purpose is to gain credibility and to suggest a long-term presence.

Mark

Is that a trick question. Have you been in one that hasn't failed?

Yes I am in some now. P2P has not failed and none of Kents programs have failed. I am in profits with Kent and P2P and they are still going.


It doesn't make them a ponzi just because they failed. There have been some great admins that got their money stolen from their investment broker, some made bad choice of where to invest the money and lost it, then there were the ones that piggy backed off of the leading sites that were ponzis. When the ponzi went down they lost there members money.

The primary reason it lasted this long with a lot of people maxed out and taking very large sums of money every month is because Nick has real investments. Like I said the numbers don't add up to be a ponzi. You have way to much money being taken out each month and not enough fresh money coming in to pay for the out going. A ponzi never makes it more than 6 months, by allowing compounding. And I am being generous with the 6 months. Any time I seen a program allow compounding, they were lucky if they made it 3 months.


I am a supporter have you been reading? I see no signs of a ponzi.

Your right what would be the point of paying out if it were a ponzi. If he pays out a little here and there people lose faith, they will start requesting more money and if it were a ponzi, Nick wouldn't be able to keep up because the money coming in would be way to low. It wouldn't make sense to try and catch up on payments because he would have to payout all the money that ponzinemises claims he is stealing. It would take him so long to recoup all that money back to resteal it. It would be in the stupidest things crooks do video. Sorry you have to listen to a voice of reason. If this were a ponzi no payments would be going out now and the program would have already folded.


Your right. And yes I have made more profits than losses in the surfing arena.

Vinman, you seem like a nice guy. I would ask the first question above a different way. Do you believe that any of Kent's programs are based on real business models? If so, can you or he verify this--and I mean independently? If not, then there is a high probability that they are not legitimate.

Regarding your statements about P2P, how can you possibly know that Nick has real investments? There is also no way to know how much is going out each month. Once again, only Nick knows the actual numbers.

I just mentioned GR in my last post. They compounded 90% per month and there were a number of people taking out large 5-figure sums monthly. I personally knew someone in Canada that was getting over $20k per month (I saw the e-currency statements). Needless to say, she wasn't very happy when the payments abruptly stopped after going strong for over a year.

Two years ago, I was making a lot of "profit" with these HYIPs because I had a strategy and a spreadsheet that kept track of all of my "investments". I thought I had finally "arrived" at financial freedom. When a program failed, I would just replace it with another on my "watch list".

Once I realized they were all Ponzis and that my "profits" were coming out of other people's pockets, I closed up shop and started my quest for real brick and mortar businesses. I am not saying you should do the same--just sharing my experience.


Vin, these are excuses from admins unless you can independently verify the info. There are more excuses than there are programs! You cannot justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. Even if a program began as legitimate, if they take or lose your money, then it becomes a scam--just like Enron in the real world. There is no difference. The people behind these programs tend to understand human nature very well and exploit it to the fullest--even to the point of getting people to believe their lies. It's really a shame.

Mark

Mark your right these are excuses used by lieing scam admins, same with my egold was hacked and stolen and countless others. But the particular excuses I mentioned above, YES, I know for a fact some of the admins did face these problems. I can name a few if you want but it won't change the fact they are gone and everyone lost money. The good thing was those particular admins didn't run of with money either.

Kents programs, I can not reveal what I get told behind the scenes. There is a reason that the admins don't put out in the public exactly what they do. I have earned the trust of many admins and I don't talk. But Kent has been going a long time and I recommend his programs.

P2P Well time will tell. As PN said yesterday, don't count on the money to be an income. Figure the money is gone and anything you get is a bonus. That is the way I think every month in every program I have been in even when payments are coming in like clock work. If i were making 20K a month I would pay off some bills but I would not get any loans anticipating that I will keep making that money for months or even years.

In any program you should withdraw your money out as quick as possible and then earn on just the profit. Take a little out each month so your earning.
Just looking at the forums tho of how many people are in profits and how many people are taking out 5 figures a month, you do the math. With so much compounding going on is there enough fresh money coming in each month to pay out all the out going money for 18 months. And if you think there is than that bring you back to why try and pay out now if it already is in the negative?
Because to have a ponzi you need fresh money every time you have money going out, compounded money doesn't count.

Bonaventure,
I don't have enough posts to give my reply to you regarding the pm you sent me, so I have addressed it below:

Well, if P2P fits you and your family members perfectly, that's great. I was in P2P last year and got out before Dec 2007 and made a nice profit. I have been in this arena for close to 3 years and have heard all these excuses before. Since no one is privy to P2p's financial records, I have a real issue with people posting that Nick is operating on real investments, when in reality they don't know. To me, that is not ethical to say that only because Nick, Gary and Chris007 have said so. No one knows for sure. For me, I hope Nick does get caught up because then it would prove there is outside income. But if it never happens, then it's a ponzi, plain and simple. I also feel that members of forums have free speech, pro and con. And no one should be able to censor that unless it is laced with profanity and attacking other members. There is always 2 sides, I am glad that the forums here let us address both sides instead of being so one sided full of cheerleaders of a program that don't have a clue about what is going on.

Also no problem about the multiple pm's. Have a good day and hope everything goes well with you and P2P.

Vinman, you're a reasonable guy and I appreciate that. We can just agree to disagree about P2P. My understanding is that Nick has done other programs in the past. That is a huge reason for him to keep paying this one, even if it's to a much lesser degree.

He could very easily close P2P and then offer to refund only those who are not in profit. Or, he might offer to carry everyone's balance over to his latest "project". Or, he could just disappear once the pot has a certain amount in it. Who knows? It's all speculation.

For now, the delays and excuses will continue until he makes his next move.

I have no argument with you--just trying to add some perspective.

Mark

I am not trying to argue with anyone. I have nothing against anyone not supporting the site. I am just inputing my point of view.
Good luck to us all Mark

Then you should get busy and start looking and here's a clue, you will NOT find them on TG or MMG or any other forum that is clearly geared to the newbie very non sophisticated investor...

Cvkint, I thought he was saying you had found the right companies.

Well guys i have to say it is not looking too good here, payouts are now 45 days behind,.. they moved all of 3 days in the last 3 weeks,.. at this rate of going i should expect my end of June payout sometime in the year 2010.

One has to think that this is a money problem on Nicks part, or the lack of money, i realise there were technical problems and processor problems etc,, but all the same he has had lots of time and opportunity since to try to get caught up, at least by paying a couple of days payouts each day to try to clear the backlog if he was willing.

I think the next move on Nicks part should be interesting, either he has to cough up or pull the plug, as time is not on his side now, comforting updates from support staff can only last for so long.

yes I got it, I just don't see why I should be doing their work for them? I didn't get anything handed to me and as long as they plan to spend their time bemoaning the lack of real investments on HYIP forums they obviously aren't very serious is breaking free from the junk they are currently involved in and the post was made in a sarcastic manner

Interesting to hear you mention these in the same breath. Have you noticed that all Kent's websites are down right now? From the way he talks about p-2-p I guess he has(had!) a lot of his cash in there - his surf programs certainly seemed to stop paying around the same time p-2-p did. I think you had all your eggs in one basket without realising it, vinman - that basket is rotten and all the eggs fell out and broke - I'd look for a new hobby if I were you!

[NB MCF is down as is 24surfmonitor and his three main surf websites. 14days Hits Surf is up, which is technically also Kent's, but looking somewhat 'incomplete', and has yet to make any payments since he took it over from what I have read elsewhere. Kent Black is looking like as spent a force right now as p-2-p. If he turns out to be collateral damage in this slow motion train wreck then good riddance.]

Don't worry about me, I know where my money is going and it's not in the same basket. I know exactly what Kent does with the money. All you need to worry about lining up your funeral before you eat your toilet. Funny it seems Kent made a lot of payouts even while P2P is behind.

HIS SITES ARE DOWN!! oh no run for your lives. yell scam from the tallest tower! WHATEVER DUDE!!!! This is the internet sites go down at times. It doesn't mean a thing he is not going to disappear.

I mention them in them same post not breath and that is because they are all sites that have not failed. It is a true and accurate statement. I am in very nice profits in Kents sites.

Your just not happy unless you have someone to argue with are you?
I think maybe your the one needing a new hobby, I have made some good money here.

In his most recent newscast Kent explained how he 'invests' the surf money, pays out what he has to from the 'profits', and then keeps the rest for himself. Given that the only non-surf Kent has been promoting is p-2-p, observing that his surf rates fit comfortably within those of p-2-p for it to be his vehicle for this, and finally noticing how Kent's surf program payments have all started to lag badly as p-2-p's payments have slowed to a trickle, don't you think it is more than likely that the death of p-2-p will see all Kent's programs collapse in its wake? Time will tell of course.


He might be back, he might not. But is it not 'interesting' that he was promising to give an update on the state of play in his surf sites by the end of today, i.e. Wednesday July 23rd in the USA? He even had his little 24surfmonitor countdown timer going right there on the top left corner of the site, getting down to zero days and a few hours right before the site went down altogether - correction - all the sites went down - 24SM, where he was about to explain why the surf sites were all so badly in arrears, MCF, where he has been repeating his mantra that p-2-p is different and that everyone will be paid, and the three surf sites themselves, none of which has paid out anything for the best part of the last three weeks to the best of my knowledge. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. Google for "Occam's Razor", read up on it, apply the principles here and you may conclude that my theories as to what the future holds for Kent and his surf programs is more likely than your initial reaction would appear to suggest you consider it to be.


It would be unusual to pause for breath while saying "P2P has not failed and none of Kents programs have failed"; if you find yourself doing so on a regular basis then you would be well advised to ask your medical practitioner to test you for asthma . And you may be 'in profit' but that doesn't mean the sites have not failed. People are not being paid in any of them and the surf sites are down altogether, none of which can be described as very promising even by the most optimistic or naive participant in this arena, can it now?


I enjoy debating these points, especially at this stage in the lifecycle of a Ponzi, when large numbers of people are paying close attention and many are guided as much by wishful thinking as logic, which makes for many an 'interesting' dialogue. Good luck to you getting your funds out of these programs, but I wouldn't hold your breath on seeing any further returns now, or on watching me destroy and eat lavatorial porcelain on YouTube any time soon.

Kind regards,
Ponzi Nemesis.

What other collateral damage is going to be done by p2p? Invest N surf already went into some sort of holding pattern I do think. The fall out here could be rather large at the end of the day.

I have picked up on Kent sensing that p2p was in trouble sometime back and starting talking up some other hyip programs and surf site all of which are ponzi based. He spent quite a bit of time dwelling on what a good guy xyz admin is and urged his listeners to support xyz admin ect... This way he was hedging his bet as a monitor and spokesperson while at the same time not burning his bridge with Nick hoping to receive some special treatment that Im sure he thinks he deserves for getting p2p out of the gate. He has already been paid a fortune from Nick anyway as hush money one may assume.

Interesting how things all get tied together with just a little thought. When 12 daily pro went south ponzis all over the place started failing left and right. I expect the same here.

Oh no doubt if P2P were to collapse there would be a lot of sites closing that are piggy backing. I don't think Kents will be any of them but there will be lots. But not to worry, P2P will be fine and we will see PN eat his toilet

BTW Kents sites are back on line. False alarm the world didn't end. I am surfing now

I have heard from various sources that P2P is paying cashout requests from the beginning of June and was trying to catch up. Does anyone have firsthand information which would support this?

I have seen one report of a payout today and that was at the asa forum. No payments reported at my cash forum at all but the forum has been down part of the day.

Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they have completed payments for June 8th, and that the reported start of payments for June 9th is accurate. P-2-p server time has now hit July 24th already, so payments still stand at 45 days, and unless 'Nick' starts making his payments very selective indeed (i.e. unless he skips more people than he pays) we'll still be stuck on June 9th until the lag has hit 50 days and most likely then some. It doesn't seem that long ago that we hit 30 days, i.e. one month in arrears; we are now at a month-and-a-half and the prospect of two month delays is already starting to make an appearance over the horizon.

And yet still the loyal followers keep the faith - for the time being in any case. I think things will start to change quite rapidly on that front within the next week or two, and certainly as we hit the two month point (around the second week in August I'd guess), and the rate of descent will increase substantially. I'm not ruling anything out, though - this one could keep limping along like this for months to come yet. But we are more likely to see Osama bin Laden in the Whitehouse than all the payment requests from June being met, let alone payment times returning to within terms. Onwards and downwards!

I know for a fact that 3 friends have been paid recently and a fair amount. I guess no one read my note....Oh, Yee of Little Faith....if you are a member of P2P, read the forum there...there really isn't another program out there like P2P and a lot of new very deserving people are being helped out by this on a regular basis...so give credit where it is do and have a little Faith.....AND lets stop trashing everything...Read the Home page there and IF you get to the bottom of it...do as it says...walk away if you don't have any trust.

Payments are 45 days behind, when the terms state they should be made in 5 to 10 business days, with no explanation and continued slippage. If that wasn't enough the site is down - completely - at the time of posting this and has been for several hours. No explanation, no warning, no holding page.

Mark my words - anyone who pays into this now is throwing their money away. If there was ever anything that looked more like a spent Ponzi scheme in its final death throes then I haven't seen it. You'll be lucky to see them complete payments up until the middle of June at this rate, let alone anything requested after that.

Avoid p-2-p like the plague!

Do not walk away if you are in profit. Otherwise they will keep your money. This I know firsthand.

Mark

Very entertaining reading here from the self-proclaimed experts....

For the P2P membership....my site is up and working fine...
Several in our business organization have recieved payments in the past week...
Yes the payments are behind but we feel no need to worry...
Do we enjoy late paments..no...but its pretty much a way of life with internet business...
But we think its worth the time and effort..
Communication with Nick is great...

As we always: only spend money on the internet that you can afford to loose
There are no guarantees with internet programs...
That said we have enjoyed a great life and income since 1983

Success to All

Ummm which you are claiming to be as well



what a silly statement... you mean to say its a way of life when you are dealing with HYIPs Ponzi's money games etc.. there are tons and tons of real legit businesses that operate online that do so within their terms.



If you were in early enough and if there is no receiver appointed to claw that money back then you might in fact be right



Unless you want to talk about anything business or investment related where he has the knowledge of a bag of hammers



Hope that money doesn't get too "loose"



Ummmm well I thought you were in P2P there is a guarantee there...just ask Nick it's all 100% back by his personal guarantee...

I watched all 40+ minutes of that crap and I gotta tell you I really hope the jury likes it as much as I did when they have to view it in court. Kent is in way to deep and he, unlike St Nick is in the USA and he'll have to answer not only for P2P but all the other ponzi scams he's running on his own. For those of you who can say you watched this clown give his endorsements and are now awaiting payments, you can of course sue Kent instead of mucking about with the Canadian courts. Kent is pretty exposed here and anyone who watched him and can credibly say they thought the scam was real based on Kent's statements, you can sue him as well as anyone in your upline.

C'mon Kent, do that stupid "NOT A PONZI" thing with the zoom lens again, it was really good. Really



I watched all 40+ minutes of that crap and I gotta tell you I really hope the jury likes it as much as I did when they have to view it in court. Kent is in way to deep and he, unlike St Nick is in the USA and he'll have to answer not only for P2P but all the other ponzi scams he's running on his own. For those of you who can say you watched this clown give his endorsements and are now awaiting payments, you can of course sue Kent instead of mucking about with the Canadian courts. Kent is pretty exposed here and anyone who watched him and can credibly say they thought the scam was real based on Kent's statements, you can sue him as well as anyone in your upline.

C'mon Kent, do that stupid "NOT A PONZI" thing with the zoom lens again, it was really good. Really

Funny you mention that because he was talking about a comment I made in another thread. I had suggested that I might or I advised others to hit n run 14 hits to clean his ponzi out. I guess he didnt like it too much. Funny thing how in previous newscasts he talks about hating hit n runners. I guess you would when everything revolved around the ponzi world wouldnt you now.

Mark,

I fear you missed the point of the comparison of the two arguments. To me, they're both stupid and without reason. I wasn't so much comparing apples (the number 6) to oranges (money). But if you want, you can say that I was showing that they both (apples and oranges) grow on trees, are fruit and have a similar shape and size.

The only thing "Nick" or "P2P" has guaranteed is the amount you put into the site. Not commissions. Not daily percents. If you have seen this in the TOS or FAQ's, please point this out.

They only way that your way of thinking would be correct is if you had withdrawn your full $800 the first month, then deposit another $500. Same with the second month. In that case, you would certainly be entitled to a refund. You didn't do this, therefore you are not entitled to anything more. I'm very sorry you think you are. One day, you might see things differently (hey, it only took about a year for my brother to finally get that 6 was not an odd number) or not.
l\/l

That is an interesting interpretation for sure MMM. If you are correct then no one will lose any money when this finally folds up for good correct? I hate to say it but to quote Ponzi Nemesis there really is a better chance of Osama Bin Laden being the next president of the United States than that happening. Nice try but I dont think this is going to hold much water in the grand scheme of things.

Sorry but your argument isn't even close. What part of the math don't you understand? Everyone is paid 60% per MONTH correct? I was in for 3 months total and received 20% return TOTAL. The numbers don't lie. People do.

Put another way, I deposited $500 ORIGINAL dollars and have been paid out $600. That's a 20% return. You might feel differently if the shoe was on the other foot.

Mark

The amount which was guaranteed is the original 500 which you put in. Since you have received 600, there is nothing left to refund. When you choose to delete your account you choose to forfeit any benefits accruing from that account.

Mark they are right. Unfortunately that is how every surf and hyip has worked.

I can't for the life of me figure out why someone in profit would want to ask for their account to be closed and want a refund. If your in profit just enjoy the ride and keep making more money.

But it says right on the front page or FAQ of the site that P2P is NOT a HYIP, Nick hates them, this is real legit business, where real investments are made, so Mark is 100% right... unless of course you are saying this is just a typical HYIP that has more life than most?? You really can't have it both ways, Nick can't continue to operate like a run of the mill Ponzi operator then claim his program is real.

Several good reasons:

- They believe that the investment isn't as it was represented.

- Terms or some other conditions change.

- They don't have confidence in the continued safety of their investment. Until it's in your hands, both your principal and gains are at risk. Sometimes it's better to take what you've got and walk away versus losing it all.

I expect no less from P2P supporters. They just don't get it. It's kinda like Stockholm Syndrome. You may want to look that one up.

Those who understand how real business works obviously understand and agree with my position.

If I can just educate a few "hostages", it will more than make up for the theft of my funds. I don't need Nick's program or his ill-gotten gains anyway.

Mark

Nickk is a very kind hearted person. He is trying to help those of us less fortunate.

God knows we need more people like him.

Wishing you the best of luck in whatever you may do.

You have a right to your opinion and your feelings and I respect that. However, these programs generally hurt more people than they help. That is the reality of it.

Best of luck to you as well.

Mark

Is he? How is he doing that? By taking your money and putting it in some mystery investment that doesn't exist? You know it is very funny just about a year ago if anybody said one even semi less than glowingly positive word about Greg McKnight his sheep would have attacked them and torn them limb from limb, now of course those same sheep are cheering while the receiver auctions off his MB. The times they are a changin.. Nick is a common con man and nothing more.. anyone that believe anything else is living in a very scary place mentally. In time you will see the truth I just hope it's not too much for you to deal with...

There are good people in the World my friend.

If you don't believe it have fun on the JOB.

What sound proof do you have about Nick?

What is destroying this World is greed.
The love of money is the root of all evil.

What the World needs is LOVE your neighbor as thyself...

May God help you prepaid because nobody else will be able to if your beliefs are that far out of kilter. There is nothing I can do. I respect you for having an opinion even though its totally out of this reality that is taking place.


Nick is a con man and not even a good one at that. He is over a month behind making payments. All hyip scam progams run great for a while and then the gravy train dries up. This is no different and payments are getting later as each day passes. What is millionaire Nick going to do to those that just dumped 10K into his scam? Pay them? Not a chance in hell. Ask yourself why Nick, Gary, Chris and the rest of the dream team dont come in here and defend things or sue somebody? Why? Because they cant and what Im telling you and CV, PN and others is the truth. You will find out soon enough though. Good luck to you and bad luck to Nick, Gary, and Chris who are all apart of a huge scam. Lets not forget Kent Black either. Birds of a feather flock together.

This scam is all but over. Is the fat lady warming up??

This site had changed many people lifes.

name me 1 site that lasted so long and still paying big.

I hope i had joined this 1 year back.

Been here long? LOL? Welcome to MMG Kent lover. LOL Reality is NOT going away but dowhat you must. LOL

Interesting the cheerleaders dont have may posts. Just give that some thought before you give Kent Black scammer a cent. LOL

Interesting the cheerleaders dont have many posts. Just give that some thought before you give Kent Black scammer a cent. LOL

Kent Blcak scammer makes a nice google term dont you think so Kent? It give innocent people a place to see what a criminal you really are. I love it. You game is getting harder because of me and you know it. I love it you idiot. Kent Black is a criminal, scammer, fool, liar, and mostly a crook. LOL

I appreciate cvkint bringing up the mental aspect of these programs. The people behind them are generally sociopaths who care nothing about others. No one here knows Nick personally. We can only judge him by his actions. In the end, they tend to blame the victims or outside circumstances. I guarantee you that Nick will never take personal responsibility when P2P finally fails.

Instead, he will explain it in such a way that you will actually feel sorry for him and then follow him into the next venture (scam). That is how the majority of these guys operate. They have more excuses than Carter has pills!

It is totally irrelevant how long the program has lasted. Those that support it still do not recognize that the majority of people will LOSE money and not make a profit. That's how Ponzis work.

All of the wonderful thoughts in the world do not change the reality of the situation. If you want to make a financial difference in your own life, then get involved with real businesses online or offline and always be in control of your funds.

Mark

Funny coming from someone that is in profit and wanting more money to boot.

The second line is good advice. Any money making venture on line should be considered extra money and not counted on for paying bills.


BLAH BLAH BLAH. Whatever. Nick doesn't want to call it a hyip because hyip's have a bad name just like surfs for being scams, his isn't a scam. But what is it HIGH YIELD INVESTMENT. Regardless what you call it, he has the rules we are all used to, so just put it to rest. He guarantees the amount you put in, which the "HYIP's" don't. I am getting tired of this same argument. If your in profit shut up and be happy, you have no reason to complain and no one feels sorry for you. There is np refund because you were paid your money.
THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT! conversation over

As someone who works for Kent Black (and proud of it)..let me assure you that he doesn't even break a sweat over idiots like you. My guess is that you were banned from his programs and/or P2P for your stupid remarks and are now just jealous as hell that you aren't getting the great returns in all of these programs like the rest of us are. You need to get a life!! Quit being bitter and move on!

Wasn't represented? They made money and now they think there is a problem. They want to cash out as quickly as possible and run with the money. Seems if they think it's a ponzi and still wanting money, they are the thief.

For the other to things, fine if you not happy cash out but theres a way to go about it. You let you investment run its course and expire. When it is expired you withdraw and wait. once your paid you close your account. Wow, look how easy that was.

"Sometimes it's better to take what you've got and walk away versus losing it all."
Your right walk away with what you got and quit whining.


Who have they hurt?
People that have made money got hurt?
thousands of people joined, thousands of people made money and paid off some things that they couldn't before. Where is the hurt?

HURT ME SOME MORE NICK!!! GIVE ME MORE MONEY!!!!


I have to agree with prepaid. I will choose god over money any day. How is that being out of kilter?

He guarantees the money you put in! How do you make this guarantee stand?! You have got to be kidding me!

You could care less about anyone else as long as you make money!!
That is way you operate. Just like you said in another post here just move on to the next one. You praised Terry and lots of members lost their money. Did you lose any sleep because of it? It was according to you the greatest PAYING program on the internet.
You will praise whoever is paying you and that is a fact!! Even if they were a hit man.

Why would they waste their time on you. They have their own forum. If you want to get into it with them I suggest you go to their forum. YOU DON"T HAVE THE GUTS FOR THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can say I have known Gary for along time and he is a great guy, if it was a scam he wouldn't be involved in it. It was the fact that when I heard Gary joined the team is what made me decide to join. I have been happy ever since.
Kent has learned to just laugh at you people because you won't affect him. I should be doing the same thing but I have some time to kill.



So Dottie you didn't make money with P2P? and will continue to do so. You are no doubt the greediest person I have ever met on the net. You care nothing about anyone else. Yes I remember you praising terry and I remember you after I exposed you for what you really are. You sucked up to my more than me nephew when he wants a candy bar thinking I would get you money.

DOTTIE YOU PRAISE ANYONE YOU THINK WILL GIVE YOU MONEY!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!

Are you telling me to move on to the next one? I am quite happy with this one.

I praise GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I support the sites that are paying. Wow, thats a shocker!

Do you have something against hit men? Guess what every government of every country has some employed

Vinman, it appears you have drunk the kool-aid so I won't try to convince you otherwise.

For clarification, when I requested the refund/close account, I was OWED $800. In fact it still says that in my back office. I suppose they are so busy over there that they haven't had time to just change everything to all zeroes and make the theft official.

Explain it any way you want but that does not change the truth of the matter. The reason for closing the account was to take the funds and put them into something legitimate once I realized that P2P is a Ponzi just like the majority of this type of program.

Regarding Gary and Chris: they may be great guys but they are being USED and probably being paid very well by Nick in the process. I have personally known at least two great people who have been devastated in this arena when they were used by sociopaths who ran other programs. One literally had to move due to death threats!

Think what you want and say what you want. Now that you've mentioned God (His name is capitalized by the way), please do not bring Him into this conversation. God does not condone scams, which is exactly why I canceled my account.

In the end, after P2P fails, guys like you will just move on to the next one. If you're OK with that, then so be it. What goes around comes around.

Mark