oneluke, it is admirable what you have done with some of your gains. That does not change the fact that they came from someone else's pocket. That is my point. It is also illegal in the US to participate in Ponzi or pyramid schemes. I am NOT saying that I agree with the laws but we are subject to them nonetheless.

I am just as guilty as any other participant which is why I made the personal decision to leave P2P. There is no doubt in my mind that it's a Ponzi. You have a right to your own opinion and your own actions.

There is no question that Nick has stolen my money. It was only $500 and I already made that back yesterday in my trading account--and then some. It's the principle here, not the money.

Regarding the state of the economy, we are in a recession. They happen on occasion and usually coincide with a bear market. This is normal for any economy and provides a "cleansing" of the system. We tend to forget that bull markets (i.e. "good times") generally outnumber bear markets by a ratio of about 6:1. Even today, if you work hard and live WITHIN your means, you are still much better off than the majority of the world population.

Unfortunatley we live in a debt-based and greed-based society. As a result, a number of both individuals and businesses have been living way beyond their means and we are now seeing the fallout. These are natural consequences of these actions.

You have made your own decision about Nick and I have made mine. We can just agree to disagree from there.

Mark

For Tappin and the rest of the loyals, this is directly from the P2P website. According to what is stated, there is NO REFERENCE to the fuzzy math that is being used here. I was the one who wanted to cancel the account. I was NEVER notified that I had violated any terms nor was I notified by admin that they had "decided at their discretion" to keep my original principal.

Why don't you folks just wake up and smell the coffee? Nick has stolen my money and at this point he has yours as well! Think about it.

If my "breach" was posting what I believe here in this forum, then so be it. Unless Nick can prove otherwise, P2P is a Ponzi, plain and simple. If you can't speak freely, welcome to fascism. Any REAL business welcomes controversy so they can improve. P2P cannot improve because it is NOT a real business.

Mark

In case anyone doubts that I was not notified of any "breach", here is the response verbatim from Chris.

Notice, it says I was "ahead". Nowhere is this stated in the TOS. Their actions speak for themselves.

Mark

I don't like coffee! But like you I am in profit.
If P2P folded today (which it won't) Then I have nothing to complain about, I was smart enough to pull my seed money out. I don't want to lose the profits I have running in there but if I do then it at least it wasn't money out of pocket. I lost profit money with several surfs as they closed to but like many others, I played the game and I made a profit. Mark maybe you haven't been around long enough in this business but thats the way it is, and by agreeing to the terms and putting our money in we are deciding to live with that. I am sorry but us koolaid drinkers do not feel sorry for you. How about a nice Hawaiian punch?

Thanks


I just read back through my posts to this forum from April and May - as far as I can find all I said about June was that payments would get later and later, spiralling out of control by about mid-June - i.e. 'meltdown'.

That does seem to be what has happened. Where are we up to now - June 7th? It's July 16th! The site may be up, but they're only paying about one day each week. The only thing maintaining the appearance of p-2-p being alive is the seemingly unlimited blind faith of so many of the supporters, especially over at MCF .

June was when payments started heading on a clear one way ticket, later and later, to oblivion. June will be the last month where anyone requesting money receives it. Looking back, even if the site is still up in weeks, or, less likely, months, to come, I think most people will agree that June was the month that this one bit the dust.

Vinman, thanks for the humor.

I had actually been at the HYIP "game" for a number of years until I figured out that the vast majority are scams. P2P looked different in the beginning but now has all of the classic signs.

In the past, I even used spreadsheets and had rules just as I use in trading. Once I realized that my "profits" were made at other's expense, I got out. That is, until P2P. Now--never say "never"--but I'm done for good.

I've been blessed with a handful of real businesses and am able to "work" from home and be with my family. My goal is to help others understand the pitfalls of HYIP's and to consider real brick and mortar programs that can make you truly financially free.

Your posts are appreciated. Thanks. Hawaiian Punch sounds great!

Mark

all I said about June was that payments would get later and later,


YOUR OWN POST BELOW PROVES THAT YOU ARE A LIAR, PANSY!! THE POST WAS MADE ON JUNE 24, 2008


Ponzi Nemesis
"Talkgold's Best" Club
Sign Up To Pathway-2-prosperity - Pathway-2-prosperity.net Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,750

Re: Pathway-2-prosperity - Pathway-2-prosperity.net

------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No payments at all yesterday, none so far today, and the private forum still down - it's toast!
__________________
What next for p-2-p? Vote here: http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/347881

it's toast!it's toast!it's toast!it's toast!it's toast!it's toast!it's toast!

So name calling is allowed here? Is that how you solve problems?

Mark

I am happy you quoted that. So - people paid money into p-2-p on June 24. All those people have lost every penny of the money they paid in that day. All gone, either into Nick's pockets, running the servers, or making those wonderful Ponzi robbing-Peter-to-pay-Paul payments that keep all the fans hypnotised.

Also on June 24th a number of people will have requested payments. Have any of them been paid yet? No. It's July 16th and payment s are still stuck at June 7th. If they keep up this pay one day each week charade, it'll take until December to get to June 24th. Will p-2-p be up then? No.

So - June 24th - all payments in were lost for good - never to be seen again. No requested payments have been paid out, and at this rate they never will be. There is no money to pay them. If time doesn't prove me right call me a liar then. I'll gladly eat my toilet, resign from the forum, whatever you like - it won't happen.

Money in, gone. Money requested, never paid - what do you think people mean when they say a program is "toast"? I'd say not worth investing in, and too late to get your money out, is a pretty good definition of how people use the word in the wonderful-wacky-world of HYIP/Ponzi scams!

How is it namecalling to prove his lies by quoting from his own previous post? You are understandably upset about losing out on your financial future with p2p but you walked out under your own volition and have noone to blame but yourself.




WHY ARE YOU CONSTANTLY DISCUSSING A PROGRAM WHICH YOU SAY HAS DIED LAST MONTH?

Because it would seem that some poor souls are still paying money into this scam. Not many - look at how slowly payments are being made. But those few dollars that are still being paid out are all coming from people still paying in - I want to make sure they have every opportunity to see p-2-p for what it is so they won't throw their money away here.

NP Mark, Always happy to put a smile on someones face.
Just wondering, if your doing so good with the trading, why would you play around in the HYIP field? It's great you get to be home with the family, I hope you spend some time out doors than just in front of the computer screen. I know some days, I could have gotten a lot done instead of sitting here.

WASYLBRYTAN, do I have to point out the obvious? I believe "Pansy" is name calling. Where is the lie? Right now, it certainly seems to be closer to the truth.

BTW, my financial future is brighter than ever thank you. Yes, I left P2P of my own volition and Nick stole my principal. Now I move on and warn others to watch out for this scam.

Mark

So as you've profited from a'Ponzi' and thats so bad are you giving your profit to Charity?

I believe that calling someone by their username: PANSYNEMESIS is not name calling.

Looks like yet another day with no payouts. How long does it take some people to realize that this hyip is just about finished? This is no doubt as cult like of an atmosphere as I have ever seen. Sorry to hear about your stolen money Mark. Nick is a thief as we all know.

Do you mean the whopping $100, 20% profit? No, I put it back into my REAL business so it can produce more REAL income, a portion of which I give at church each week. Thanks for asking.

Mark

hey you lovely peeps from both sides of da aisle..

how's about a poll on what PN really meant by "complete meltdown starting mid-june"?




What did the prophet actually mean?


Was there indeed a "complete meltdown" in mid-june?

And what, pray tell, are the other fearless forecasts in store for us mere immortals?

Anybody wanna commish a poll?

Maybe Pansy Meant That Her Brain Would Meltdown By Mid June.

No need for a poll. I am the world's leading expert on what I meant when I said "complete meltdown starting mid-june" so I'll just tell you.

I meant that payment delays would spiral out of control to the extent that many potential investors would be put off, thus increasing payment delays in a vicious cycle that I, for one, refer to as Ponzi meltdown. I posit that this process did, indeed, start mid-June. It continues through now on a one way ticket to oblivion - this one-way nature is what I mean by the meltdown being "complete".

I hope this helps,
Kind regards,
PN.

Thank you, all-knowing one.

We await in bated breath for yet more of your enlightening revelations.

No doubt your followers also knew what you "meant"

You do know-they hold you in such a high regard-- even going so far as to say you've never been wrong!?!

to WASYLBRYTAN

hello fellow investor.

I'm a bit confuse about p2p I strongly beleive that it will recover but how come there's so much negativity in some members of this forum that's it's sometime puzzelling. are you a member of p2p? have you ever done business with Nick before? To me he seems a fair guy.
anyway the best thing to do now i guess is wait & see

To the contrary some payouts have been made today

Right but there were none on the date of the post, 07/15. It's really moot because the current payouts are very few and far between. That's the reality of the situation regardless of how anyone feels about the program.

Mark

Exactly, payouts are spotty at best. I see more and more what I suspect to be paid posters in this thread. This clearly indicates an act of desperation. You can argue about Ponzi Nemesis predictions all you want but the facts indicate a melt down in progress.

HAHAHAHA Paid posters now?!!
I don't see any facts indicating a melt down, I see reality as mark pointed out, and the reality is payments are being made spotty or not they are happening and I will be happy when they make it to requests on the 10th they are getting closer

another compounding day for me

Some of you people are so uninformed that it's pathetic. Do you not know that STP has been down so payments couldn't go out. Do you not know about the server issues...etc. There are solid reasons why P2P is behind..I will be laughing all the way to the bank when mine comes. Laughing at all the naysayers and non-believers. Do any of you ever read the testimonies and other heart wqarming stories about how this program has helped a multitude of people that really needed help. Have you ever listened to the interview that Kent did with Nick??

Perhaps if you would make an effort to imform yourselves..you would see things in a different light, like those of us that you call "followers".

rotflmao

OH NO..it'ds chernobyl and 3 Mile Island together in one!!!

Hey, the sky's falling people har har!



Who's arguing about anything?

I could say the same thing..you can argue til your blue in the face that it's a fr*ggin ponzi and it's not legit.

Doesn't really take a genius or a prophet to argue a point one way or another.

Arguing all you want..?

Who's belaboring what?

If its a ponzi it just is.

If it's headed somewhere, it will.



If you lose you do.

If you didn't make anything after coming in, you have the option of going after Nick who "forced" you to part with your money "by deception".

But if some get their kicks saying it'll end tomorrow or in the middle of late july at exactly 5:48pm yada yada..go ahead lmao if it makes ya feel happy har har.

Sorry if I seem to be raining on the naysayer parade who wanna rain on the sheepie parade...



It's a discussion thread after all.



And the topic is anything and everything p2p.



Bottom line, you feel wronged by Nick, do something proactive and go after him.

Call the rcmp.

Oh, you got nothing in?

Oh you just wanna "save" everyone in ponzitown starting with this flavor of the month-- go right ahead--if it makes you feel any better.

Noble and selfless aren't you?

Sure you are.

They should be having Nobel Peace Prizes for the everyday heroes in Ponzitown who just wanna save the dumb sheep from their dumb selves.

LMAO!

You are free to believe that these are real issues. Why don't they make alternate payment arrangements? Server issues are non-issues if you have the right equipment and the best tech people money can buy. Nick can certainly afford that, right?

Regarding the testimonies, it's always wonderful when people are helped financially and then help others. However, there is another side. The majority will still lose in the end, especially those who come in near the end as well as those who are compounding and believe the numbers on the screen are real and belong to them.

Some of us have witnessed this too many times in the past. I, for one, have kept informed which is exactly why I wanted OUT. However, I did not expect that they would keep my money in the process.

There is simply no way that ANY program can pay 60% per month compounded indefinitely, even a "real" program. The math just doesn't work. If there were such program, all of the world's greatest investors would be involved. It's really common sense in the end.

Best of luck while you and the others wait.

Mark

No but I've talked to Nick on the phone personally and realized he was so full of **** it was beyond belief, never able to answer a direct question, didn't have a clue about any common investment or money management terms or accepted practices... anyone that could listen to Nick speak or speak to him and believe this guy is a multi millionaire investor is saying much more about their lack of knowledge and Nicks con man skills than they are about what a financial wizard Nick is...



The problem is that once you inform yourself with ALL the facts you would see what an impossibility this entire shame is....you "want" to believe.. thats fine..but wanting it doesn't make it so

LOL. Keep it up Kent. Thats funny spyder and I guess you would would want us all to join 14 hits.. LOL!!!!!!!

P2p is a dieing ponzi and yes man of steel its gong down. If you want to play cheerleader in this scam then have at it. Lets think about the people that have no clue. There is getting ready to be some serious burns here. Man of steell does not care but I do. I will post until hell frezzes over,. P2p and Nick are criminals and its a scam. Use some common sense.

man of steell...guess he means me?
it goes down then it just does.



Is that an attempt on your part at labelling?
Guess this is the part where I get my feelings all hurt..lmao!





I'm sure you do.

Whatever ya say bitty.



Really? Who's stopping you from posting?

For 2 days now I cannot bring up the site; is it dead or resting? I have been a happy investor, but now I am worried.

I just logged in and out. You may want to clear your cache/cookies and try again.

Now that both the site and STP are back, tons of payouts should be going out in the next few days. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Mark

Thanks; I tried that, and no luck. I am going to lunch now, and will try again when I get back. I also can no longer can get into the conference room - that software stopped working. (My id in p2p is surfbarry)

Barry if you looking for support your in the wrong forum. Go to my cash forum.

Oh, please spare us your cheerleading. Pending cashouts are now 40 DAYS BEHIND and this is good because? To me there is no reason to cheerlead. Face it sweetie, it's a money shortage, plain and simple. Okay, STP was down, but why didn't Nick continute to pay AP people, if there was not a money shortage. There was nothing wrong with AP that he couldn't continue to process payments, but guess what, he DIDN'T PAY!!!He stopped paying AP at 6/7. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Newbies won't touch joining this one with a 10 foot pole since payouts are still way behind. And guess what, you guys are not getting the 60% per month ROI, which to me is false advertising. I think that's illegal in itself. BTW, STP was not down for 40 days, which is how far behind they are in payments now. Plus, now there are members who are overpaid. Good luck on getting that money back. P2P is on it's way to the graveyard. Better start planning the funeral!!!

That sums up the situation nicely. What amazing is those who frequent my cash forum think everything is sunshine and lollipops. For those in the know that got caught with money still in may or may not get paid. If they do they will leave p2p and leave more skid marks than a bank robber in a get away car. I thought payouts were going to be caught up this week?

Lollipop, nice to hear a fair assessment for a change. Just be careful. If you're too vocal, you may have your account canceled.

Mark

Good advice. Im sure some that are posting the reality of the situation are using a different user name in most cases because p2p obviously will steal your money if you say something out of line.

WOW!!!

Whats so shocking Donnie? Just curious.

OK, thanks; but I did just log in successfully! Am now hoping Alertpay payments start again soon!

Stopped by for my entertainment ..tonight
Seems quite here...

On the P2P news front...11 members of my business group were paid today...!!
Payouts ranged from $160 to just over $5K
I see also in MCF that several others reported being paid.
Nicks still at work..
Just wanted to share some bright news to go along with all the usual doom and gloom posted here.

Success to All

Forums back up, new support system, Nick's catching up in payments (Which I believe he will. If he couldn't, chances are that he would have stopped payments long time ago and closed shop, which he isn't.) He's been through it a few times before.

Just came from MCF too...it looks like the payments are thru 6/6 on STP, and 6/7 on AP. AP payments were not paid today, because 6/7 AP payments were done yesterday. So no AP payments today. Since STP is fully functional now and AP has been functional, those payouts should just be rolling out, right? Noticed that you conveniently left off the dates of those payments.


Thanks Marsh56! No worries about my account being cancelled....I was a member, but left before the year 2008 started with quite a nice profit...so not a member anymore.

that's the ticket.

play it like a game.

Got quite a nice profit myself.


Hope we don't have to return it like some of the "bleeding hearts" desperately want to happen(it being ponzi money and all)..

But if we gotta ces't la vie eh?

Chris just came into MCF and told us that this is a system glitch which is being worked on and all should be back up by this afternoon.

However, there is still one thing nobody is asking about. They took down forum and kept it down for almost a couple of weeks and they said it is being worked on but nothing has been done to it. I know you will refer to Support Centre but thats another page altogether, it is not needed to pull the whole forum down to work on a separate system. I know you will talk about chatrooms being added, but they were not added......No. If you wanna add a separate system or a page to an already running page, you don't have to pull the whole thing down and keep it there for sooo many many days. Well, I am sure this was all for the welfare of the whole Well, just that my mind is inquisitive but I am sure I don't wanna be privy to all those problems those good-natured people out there are meddling with just for our sake. This is a real thing and real things keep facing hurdles ... as Chris said, there will be hurdles but they will be dealt with......juveniles not allowed on the roller-coaster.

A few pages back I got carried away and said somethings unheeding. And I am sorry for that. Personally I believe no program is worth a fight over with other members because that program might not be there after some time but we are here to stay....I am surprised myself on my own behavior because nothing of the sort has ever happened ... and I believe it merited an open apology to whom ever it may concern.

Wish you all the luck.



And site and the forum are all back uppppppppppp and runingggggggggggggggggggg..

The newest update seems . Nick stated he'll be working on payouts all weekend. Hopefully, he knocks down a lot of days.