Mark,
Keep us posted about your refund. According to the cheerleaders all you have to do is ask if you have cold feet and this will put them to the test. I hope you get it back. I read at my cash forum people asking about deposits made 6 months ago that were never credited. Why they are asking now is a mystery to me. There has been so many selective payouts, suspensions, missing deposits and everything in between when you take a hard close look. Now, its becoming more obvious how this ponzi has lasted as long as it has. It really didnt get cranked up good till September of 07 anyway. I see no new ground here being broken here. Honestly, it looks bad right now even if payouts resume for a period of time so dont get your hopes up on that. Thats an old trick to pull in the last few dollars from the gullible. I hope nobody is stupid enough to fall for it but I know better.

No payouts were done today to my knowledge. No communication from Nick for quite sometime. Does this sound like a real business that so many claimed it was? I hate to see so many get sucked in and lose their money (although a handful of you deserve it) but maybe they will learn a lesson. Somehow, I doubt they will and they will probably hold a grudge. I hope not.

Those of you that have harped and harped about the lack of proof that this scam and a ponzi are about to get it.
You winners are not in the clear yet either. There is always the IRS for you US members.

This PONZI is on its way out. Where are the cheerleaders?

Funny. That's how I was originally brought into the HYIP/autosurf arena 4 years ago.

The introduction tends to start with an invite from a friend.

Are you referring to the "other" forum? I have not been able to access the back office forum from the main site for over a week. I get the message that it's "under maintenance". If by "communication" you mean payouts catching up to 5-10 business days, then I'm all ears.

Otherwise, it's all just words.

Mark

Famous last words? Funny how most the cheerleaders are MIA.

I'm quite bewildered, I dunno why..

But, when I read ur signature, it's written, "Nick is helping poor souls."

I think u should change ur signature to avoid any misconception..I do not know are u being sarastic in ur signature or something else.

I wanna know more of P2P..

:-)

lol, that's what i told him awhile ago

guess he's on the con side now.

I was not in this but when things are going good everyone is a cheerleader once things go wrong eveyone hopes it will come through........

But what I don`t like is people that seem to delight in the fact that things have gone wrong.

It is easy to be on the side of the fact that things like this will fail because they always do.............

Im am just a outsider looking in but that is how this looks to me.

I completely agree. It never does any good to say "I told you so".

However, it is important to point out that even those programs that "appear" legitimate may not be after all, even if they have been around a while.

As someone who has lost a ton over the years in "HYIPs", I can tell you that there really is no such thing unless it is based on a real business model. If the admin is not willing to share the model, then there is a good chance the program is suspect.

Mark

Mark, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. You can get all the information by contacting your sponsor for the links.

No need to apologize. I am already aware of the other forum. Thanks for the info.

Mark

Right here, LOL, counting our money and laughing at YOU.

LOL, loving it!

Do you think that you could share this information? My sponsor does not seem to know any more about it than I do.

As far as she and I know, there is no access to the forum or member's area, and has not had any access for over a week.

My sponsor is in the position of having asked for a cashout over a month which she has not received or heard anything about. She would love to know when she can expect to receive her cashout.

Moonchild, if you read back through this thread a few pages, you will see a reference to this other forum. Apparently it is sponsored by a member of P2P and is not an "official" forum.

You could also just google something like "P2P forums" and see what comes up. Hope this helps.

Mark

Personally I am sticking with Nick...has there been rough times..yes...but then Enron was tough on me also...
All who invested in P2P knew it was high risk...nobody held a gun to your head or keyboard fingers...
Kindness and consideration will get you much farther in life than spewing hatered....

Personally I have never had problems accessing the P2P web site.
Are some payouts slowed...yes but P2P is still here...and communication is open.

Will P2P end one day...yes...all do...death is the only thing in life that is 100% certain!

For the quality members I'll share ... Nick's latest message to us....

As you probably have noticed in the last few days, our website has been very, very busy. The reason for this is our success: we have had 20,000+ members accessing their account at once. Although we have recently moved to a server with more capacity, this one too has difficulty keeping up with demand during peek hours.

We are currently working on a permanent solution to this problem. In the meantime, we found a temporary solution, that allows all members to access their account every day. Until a permanent solution is implemented, we rotate access to our website. This means that when our site is really busy, some members will see a maintenance message, while others can access their account. So, if you visit us and see a maintenance message, please check back again in a few hours, when access has been rotated again.

We apologize to all P-2-P members for the inconvenience this causes. We want to assure you that we are working on a permanent solution full-time and will have it implemented as soon as we can. Until then, please know that because of the temporary measurements mentioned above, your interest payments continue right on time as always.

Success to all
oneluke

This is one of funniest, albeit stupidest lies he has ever attempted... a dedicated server, even a VPS with a correctly installed script would be able to handle 100's of thousands of people logging in at the exact same second... yet his quality script and server crush under the weight of 20k people? Odd how so many of the cheerleaders go on and on about how the member count is wrong and all the people listed as members are not upgraded and should not count towards the activity, or how they themselves claim to only log in once a month or so to check on their investment... my goodness this guy never gives up, the constant stream of bull**** he spews is staggering.

Oneluke, that is simply not a credible explanation from Nick. I have no problem getting into the site itself. However, has anyone been able to access the forum in the last week or so? I'm pretty confident the answer is "no". If you ask any tech person, there is no such thing as the "rotating" that is described.

If Nick has all of the money that he claims to have, then he could certainly afford the best equipment and tech support on the planet!

In any case, payouts are now WAY behind so it appears that this program perhaps was not legitimate after all. We'll probably all know fairly soon.

Mark

I still have trouble getting on the site. I know most people can. So I probably will be able to tomorrow.

You are such a . I don't know if you were kicked out of p-2-p for cheating or what your story is, but for you to spend so much time being critical of the program there has to be a reason. I've been invested in p-2-p for over 2 months and I haven't even asked for a payout because I have faith in the program. If i'm wrong I'm wrong, but Nick lets everyone know before you join if you have doubts not to join. No one should put more money into any investment than they can afford to loose. If I or anyone else looses our money we just do, but we don't need negative people like you crushing peoples hope and dreams. At least give them the opportunity to make up their own minds.

Sadly, whats more staggering is those who have believed every word. Simply incredible to me.

Another day with no reported payouts Im aware of. Some posts have been deleted at my cash forum. Nothing unusual about that. Just people asking about where their money is. I hate to sound like a broke record but it sure doesnt look much like a real business with real investments now does it. No word on when any so called official updates will be done. You would think that would be a priority to a business that wanted to retain real customers.
Seems that is not the case here.

looks like many people are still having lots of problems.. hmm. that's not good..

They mostly still seem to be under Nick's spell. This reminds me of CEP - I wonder how long it will be before most people have realised they've been ripped off - another couple of weeks maybe?

yes yes, attack the messenger, the simple fact of the matter is that I knew some people that were considering throwing their money away on this scam and asked my opinion... after finding out the facts and presenting them with them, they decided to pass and find a REAL business to invest in...no need for you to be angry at me just because Nick can't come up with better lies these days...

Think about how insane latest story is... rotating logins allowed, based on what? IP? Username? Last login date? I mean it's staggering to even think about it... yet they still can't run a box with enough power to handle 20k people haha... ok makes sense to me..



This is NOT an investment it's a ponzi/scam which will soon be finished. You are more than able and welcome to thrown away your money where ever you wish... but don't call me or anyone else negative because we don't drink the kool aid and prefer to deal with facts not fantasy... everybody can and should make up their own minds..of course with all possible info at their disposal.

why not make a new prediction?

don't wonder..DO what you're said to be good at.

Guess the legend's fallen short.




yep.

I agree.

at least you don't make timeline predictions...*chuckle*

All I can say is that I have been in this industry long enough to know that the majority of people in this biz tend to talk out of both sides of their mouths...aka two-faced. While their post may reflect that they are behind Nick 100%, in reality you can bet that when/if they receive their next payment, they are keeping it all and not re-investing. I think Nick is facing a problem of too many members that have maxed out their accounts (no more growth) and not enough new members coming in or old members re-investing to offset that. And yes, we all know what the definition of that is. In my mind, there is no reason for a site that claims to have outside streams of revenue to be 31 calendar (not biz days) behind in payments. Just my 2 cents, but strong caution is advised. Think that's a bit of a no brainer advise right now.

The only facts are that none of us know for sure what's going on, but if it turns out I am wrong I'll be the first to say so. As far as I know right now my money is fine. I haven't been able to get in the forum for over a week myself, but I'm certainly not going to start condeming Nick or anyone else about something I know nothing about.
I personally know people who have earned thousands with this program and hopefully they will be many more and hopefully I'll also be one, but if it isn't I walked in with my eyes wide open!

I agree that no one should be "condemned". However, all members should insist on clear, effective and timely communication from Nick and Company.

Unfortunately, no one's money is "fine" as long as it is in the hands of another. Our "balance" is just numbers on a computer screen until it is available as cash in our hands.

Those who have made thousands may have done so on the backs of others who came in later. That's the definition of a Ponzi. At this time there is no logical reason for payouts to be so far behind. It is normal for us to cling to hope that everything will turn out in the end. Hope, though, cannot fix a broken program.

Until payouts resume and then catch up, it would appear that P2P is breathing its last. Again, time will tell.

Mark

Time will tell and I hope for everyone involved that you are very wrong. We'll just have to wait to find out for sure!

My comments are based on years of past experience going back to the year 2000. That's about when "HYIPs" started appearing. About 2 years ago, I came to the realization that maybe--just maybe--one out of a thousand might be the real deal. I used to think it was one out of a hundred but that has proven false over the years.

The only reason I considered P2P was that a good friend had a "hunch" that this might be one of the good ones. His suggestion came with all of the warnings and I made my own decision. After being in for about 3 months, it is now clear to me that this is not a legitimate program.

It's important to understand that if you cannot independently verify what is being done with your funds, then you can pretty much plan to lose them. This is simply a fact that has been proven time and again over the years.

Personally, I put in a very small amount because I have now been blessed to "graduate" to only putting my money in real, verifiable businesses where my money is totally under my control. Specifically, I now choose brick and mortar businesses, i.e. no "pooled programs", affiliate programs etc. The business must have a "main street" location with real employees and a real business plan.

This is just my personal preference but now serves me very well. Of course, I recommend this strategy to others seeking extra income as well. My purpose in posting here is to warn those who still believe that HYIPs are real. They are not. It's that simple. They all end up stopping prematurely, some taking longer than others. When that happens, the majority of participants lose all of their money. That's the harsh reality of Ponzis.

All the best,

Mark

Thanks Mark, you may be right yet but I'll continue to hang on to this one until it lets me down. After all I am invested like many others and have no choice but to ride it out. Have a good day!

I came close to joining this one. I just missed the timing on this one.

Can't trust anyone these days

I don't care what people do with their $$ but I can't stand when they don't point out to others that there is some risk Risk in hyip is not always from within. Why they can't just say " Hey there this ones working for me, it may be worth a cycle or three, If you have some spare change go for it"

I will not however stand by and watch un-educated newbies, mugged by some "piece of work" with a ref link.

The big playas here know what's what , they'll survive whatever happens or doesn't happen here.

Most will pop up again, in some cases with a new id to avoid unhappy downlines amongst other things.

Can't stand any hyips that use the three P babble "pastors, prayer, or praise usually easy to spot by the *warm* censored forum attached to them. All the better to hook the gullible.

I can stand a punt anytime

Why do you keep posting nonsense like this? We are receiving updates everyday and we know exactly what is going on. If you were a real member you would know these things too.

Call it what you like. I am a member and currently have a withdrawal in place for both interest and principal. You must realize that the majority of members probably have no clue that another forum exists. There is no logical reason for the main forum not to be accessible. The explanation on the main site is what is really nonsense. It makes no technical sense whatsoever.

I just read the update today at the other forum and it doesn't say much at all. You are incorrect in saying that there are daily updates. In the end, what matters is payouts. They are currently over 30 calendar days behind. To go from 5-10 business days to 30 calendar days in the last month is not a good sign.

How you react to the recent events is entirely up to you. We can all make up our own minds.

Mark

Nick Will Gladly Refund Your Money And Cancel Your Membership If You Are Not Happy As A Member Of P2P.

I'm all ears. Please explain how this is done. Thanks.

Mark

All you have to do is log into your account after your investment matures and request a total payout. After it's done just log back in and cancle your account. I for one wish you would. Many of us believe in the program and wish those who don't would just go away! I've never talked with anyone who has lost a dime with this program, but if we do it won't cost you one red cent. I hope your account matures tomorrow!

Many things can happen with a program which will cause temporary difficulties. This is totally understandable. What is less understandable is the failure of administration to keep the members informed. It is this lack of communication, rather than anything done or not done, which is causing the nervousness and uncertainty of the members.

Palerider, thanks for the info. My account has already matured but I'm not too keen on canceling the account just yet due to the current circumstances. I cashed out on 06/29 and will await the payout.

OTOH, if you have contact with someone in admin who will agree to have full payment made right away, then I will gladly cancel the account and you will not hear from me again.

You may not want to hear the other side of the story on this forum but that does not change the reality of the situation.

Moonchild, I agree 100% which is why I have been posting in this thread.

Mark

I understand being nervous, but if it gets to where I don't have faith in those running the program I'll just get out. You won't see me on this site blasting the opportunity with the most promise I've ever seen. Before you or anyone else ever joined, you were instructed to be able to be patient or not join. Anyone with a dab of common sense should know not to invest more than they are willing to lose. Also it is not my job to tell the leadership how to run the program. I'm just thankful that that they can overlook the negative trash on the web from their own members. My 401k has steadily gone down since last october and there is not one thing I can do about it except hang on and wish for the best. I have continued to invest in it every week because I have faith in the american people that things will be fine in the end and I also have faith that p-2-p will be fine also. If there is someone that is bashing the program that can do better, by all means take your payout and start your own program. I for one hate the negativity that crushes the hopes of those that may be considering getting in the program.

Hi,

I don't think Nick will refund our money. My membership was cancelled on 8,April. Martin promised that P2P will refund my money to me. It has been three months now, nothing happened. I've sent many tickets and e-mails to Martin and P2P. No reply at all. Nick owed me $500. I can say P2P's service is very very bad!!

I read many posts on P2P forum that some member's deposits were missing for one, two or even four months with no reply from Nick. Nick's response is sometimes a bit tooooooo slow, I think. Nick didn't trust anyone. He manages all of the money by himself only. So if you want to get your fund back from Nick, patience is a must.


Bear77

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Palerider, you sound like a fair-minded person. I completely agree that there should be no "negative bashing" of the program. If you look back over my comments, I hope you will see that I have not done so.

There is a difference between negativity and reality. After all, what battery would work without a negative side? So-called negative comments help us to keep things in perspective.

As a former financial adviser, I encourage you to continue to pay into your 401-k in spite of current market conditions. Your balance may have gone down but you continue to purchase and own more shares. This is dollar-cost averaging and is powerful. Right now, you are buying low, thereby purchasing more shares with the same amount of money. Once the market recovers, we will have another bull run and your account balance will recover.

P2P is a pooled program, not an "investment" that you can count on. Any "returns" that you receive would be best placed in your 401-k or some other form of real investment. You may not believe it but there is no way that ANY program can pay 60% per month indefinitely. It's just not possible. Otherwise, Gates and Buffett etc. would be right on the front line putting in their billions!

BTW, regardless of what P2P or Nick says, it is illegal for anyone from the US to participate in any "investment" program not registered with the SEC. It does not matter where the program is located. You may not like this law (as I do not) but if you go to the SEC website and do some research, you will find this to be true.

In any case, my point in posting here is to warn others not to put any kind of "faith" into any program. Instead, consider starting your own business by connecting with a real brick and mortar establishment and build your future with something concrete. This is not negativity but constructive suggestion.

Mark



Yes, I've read this before on the main forum. Others have experienced this as well. That is why I will just wait for my payout.

Bear, thanks for posting your experience.

Mark

Bear, I wouldn't have canceled my account until I had been paid. I don't even know who Martin is but I know someone who has 2 accounts maxed out and he has never failed to be paid and that's over 80k permonth coming out. The problem with your $500 is probably because you canceled your account before you were paid. I know that was wrong and may have totally wiped out your records. I don't know but probably if you get hold of the right people it can still be resolved, but I wouldn't be on here like many others criticizing the program and still expecting help. Good luck

It's Martin told me that P2P will keep my records and Nick will refund my money to me when my plan is expired. And then Martin was disappeared and no reply from P2P at all. I think there must be a lot of p2p members know who Martin is.

Bear77

How is that a "refund?" If you have to wait until your investment matures, then you might as well take the payout. Refund means give my money back immediately or in a reasonably prompt manner and not subject to completion of the term or some other requirements unless otherwise specified (e.g., penalties, etc.).

You cannot have it both ways, if you do not wish to be a member of p2p it is hypocritical to expect to profit from it. When you cancel your account you will receive back what you originally put in.




You do not have to wait until your plan matures, you can get back what you originally put in but it would be hypocritical to expect to profit from a program you have condemned.

OK, friend, it's time to get to the nitty gritty. You have already seen here that other members have followed the advice of canceling the account, only to be told that admin can't find their account details. How convenient!

It makes no logical sense for me to cancel the account before getting the funds. Have you actually read what it says in the back office when you cancel? This is what it says:



Did you get the part where it says all of your account will be LOST? What does that mean to you?

If you can show me where I've "condemned" the program, I'll be happy to eat my words. It seems to me you simply don't like a dose of reality. I can't help you there.

The purpose of a forum is to speak freely. Unless, of course, you prefer fascism, i.e. forums that keep out all negative posts so everything looks squeaky clean. Sorry, that's not the real world.

Once I receive my final payout, I will be gone from this forum. BTW, there is no hypocrisy in wanting my money back now that I've realized that P2P is not what I thought. In fact, it's common sense.

Mark

I`m sorry, I forgot who I was dealing with here and that a complete explanation might be required. To cancel an account and get a refund requires telling Nick what you want. If you do not understand this and cancel your account through your back office, there is no way that Nick can know what you want. Sorry I did not explain this before, it has been a long time since I have Edit: inappropriate

Hello Mark,

Please state your username here or pm it to me, I can pass it on for you and you will be refunded.

Tappin