Hi Hula,
Don't worry, I believe me and Gaurang are just having fun.


Why would I keep my mouth shut, I am a member of this program. You should because you are not. Besides, I was gone for more than a week and came back and saw that you were still blabbing around.

Oh and yeah, I just got paid! Booyah!!!

SWEEEEEET!!! Although don't spend too much energy wasting time with the wierdos in this thread. You are going to need it to Spend that CHEESE! BTW Nick is at 9 Business days for payouts which puts him within terms!

but where's all the fun in that?
LOL!

It's a "fun and friendly" place to be.

It takes all sorts in the sandbox!



I'm just waiting for the fearless prophecy of june 08.

It's a lot different from the HYIP section you spend so much time in.

I haven't seen any of the classic Monitor lines here:

Nice design.

Nice plan.

Waiting for admin.

Hope hot soon.

You silly rabbit, this is NOT a censored forum like MCF is or your private forum is, (which is not private btw) people here are allowed and encouraged to speak from BOTH sides of the fence...that is what discussion is.. look it up sometime... there are those that might come to a place like this and read all the lies about now legal and real P2P is and believe it... so at least with an uncensored forum they have the option of hearing both sides of any story..

Interesting enough all you PEOPLE that are members and are posting here are going directly against King Nick's wishes and all your accounts should be removed.. I guess you can't even follow rules laid out by your golden goose... how very surprising...





Totally agreed, but what does that have to do with this HYIP Ponzi, which is neither real or a biz??



Another math challenged cheerleader... 17 calendar days and 14 calendars are very close to being the same amount of business days as when it stretches longer you have to then include a third weekend... you don't honestly believe this drivel you spout do you?

You should join in the Legisi thread, that Ponzi lasted almost two years and now the truth is out the charges have been filed, assets seized and if you read it all the way back you'll see all the people acting just like you are now... and my friend this one will fail as well.. it's the nature of the beast.. you need not take my word for it, I don't care and you can continue to call me a joke all you want, it's very mature of you btw... time will prove whom is right in their beliefs on this and whom is wrong....

Maybe you're new in this ponzi game maybe you're a vet squeezing out that last little bit, either way your name calling is really sad and as usual not a shred of proof in site to back up anything King Nick says... that should be warning enough for you, but those that NEED to believe will always find a way to justify the lack of logic they use...

Enjoy your run... while it lasts...

No its not now is it. All you cheerleaders be sure to delete your links immediately! New members must be invited by private invitation only!

This is the last grasp for getting family and friends in. The rest of the internet has probably dried up for the most part by now but they still cant shut off the money faucet of incoming money now can they.

Is it just me or didnt Bob Krimm pull this same stunt about a month or so before his sites dried up and he moved into a gated community down in Florida where he purchased several houses with members money?

u bet bro its so much fun in here

I don't understand why you care enough to see what's going on inside the private forum. I don't know if it's you yourself that has access, or it's just somebody else that's feeding you the info, but do you really not have anything else to do? I can understand it when everything was out in the open at MCF and you were free to troll the forum, but for you to have access to the private forum requires some creativity on either your part or somebody elses.

I personally don't care myself that you or any other naysayer (or even non member) has access to the forum because you can't do anything to harm the program and the info is bound to get our anyways, but I guess I just don't understand why you care.

I guess it's just FUN FUN FUN LOL!

It is their strong belief / opinion that we're all involved in a scam like CEP, Golden Rocks, KUM etc. (all online investments and "hyips" being ponzis and scams in their book) and that we are perpetuating a scam --and they just want to see everyone abandon the ship so it will sink faster--and the sooner they can tell everyone--"I told you so!"

LMAO!

You will see them again in the next big thing when the time comes--and they'll be there again.

It's just the way it is.

Some do harbor messianic tendencies and have made it their life's crusade.


Some of them do really care to clean up or eradicate the arena altogether of all ponzis and scams(which by the way to many of them is the whole industry itself).


Some of them do it out of spite or vengeance --like being suspended or ...kicked out!



And the number 1 reason: " Hey, it's just plain fun raining on the sheepy parade!"

They just get a good kick out of destabilizing or rocking the boat because it's just so darn ...FUN!





It's all part of the game.

And since this is a discussion forum, they're free to express their opinions and beliefs.

Exactly! Wise words. Whilst his ego is getting fed, he won't give up. If all of us stopped replying to his posts, he wouldn't have any fun posting. As PVRS suggests, PN can talk to himself.

Ok, here we go----- I have been gone for some time. Was not really suprised to see the same old arguments going on, with the same people.
Now cvkint--- you have given some good advise on checking things out, so that is where I have been.
I have made alot of phone calls and was not really suprised at the results of any of them.
Basically it comes down to --- How you phrase your question, as to what answer you will get. I even had three different answers to the same question on the same day, with three different people.
I rephrased the same question and got a whole new set of answers!!!
It was time consuming and frustrating, as any call to goverments can be, and even worse when it crosses the border!

After skimming the form to see whats up and to see is any thing new has shown up, I give up!
cvkint and others claim this is a scam-- thier own thoughts. Others claim it the "real deal"-- thier own thoughts.
Now mine is ----- I don't know and I don't care. I do NOT need to know where nick makes his money, nor do I care. I will enjoy the money received, when received and as long as I receive it. Please respect that.
I do not openly promote this, but that is my chioce. I have others interested and point out one thing----- Get your start up money out asap, and to NEVER invest more than they can lose!!!! I let them know that there are no guarantees in any money venture, not even the so called "legal" ones.

Now I do recall that the prophesy of doom originally had this program going down in early Jan-- this may be wrong. However I do know that the latest one I saw had P2P ending---well it would have been before May9th---and I recall that it was posted that PN was NEVER EVER wrong. So what happened?? P2P is still there and seems to be doing well. GASP -- was he/she wrong????

I ran a few plans, yes I have been Paid, and yes I have gotten my original spend out plus a few extra. So, I really don't care what any One -- naysayers or cheerleaders have to say.
I just wanted to let cvkint know that -- yes some of us have done some homework. Ponzi or not, only time will tell.
And to suprisingly tell him--- Thank you for the information, it was difficult to find but well worth it.
Now IF all those who wish to tell others how to run their lives would really just remember one thing-----------Its MY money to do with as I wish, and I am a adult and can make my OWN choices!!
Nothing you say will ever change my mind.
Thank you and have a wonderful Mothers day to all the mothers!!

Great post, I hope you don't mind if I quote your post out of order just to make a point.. just letting you know so you didn't think I was trying to pull something...



This is very important to note, because quite frankly it baffles me to some degree. I can only speak for myself of course but I have NEVER tried to change someones mind, I merely offer up the info that I have for THEM to do with what they wish. You are 100% correct it's your money and you should do with it whatever you want.. no doubt never ever stated otherwise..



I have heard this POV before and I just wanted to stress the most important question to ask is to NOT ask a direct question... simply phone both the SEC and the OSC and point them to the P2P webpage..ask their opinion..that's it. Both will tell you instantly that Anyone doing what is stated on the site needs to be registered to sell securities... I don't care about the Ponzi or scam side of it.. the simple fact that BOTH without prompting say they would need to be registered means it will go down sooner or later... ask Greg McKnight how fast the SEC works...



You are quite right, which is why I make it clear to people that they can get any answer they want if they ask the right question or the question in a certain way... simply point them to the site, as for their thoughts... plain as day anyone offering a retirement club or any type of monetary return on money given to them MUST be registered to sell securities... there is ONLY black and white there.



Kinda true, yes I do believe it is, but based on the many gov't agencies and agents I've spoken to. I find it hard to believe that ALL of them are wrong, in two countries and in five different agencies, they all are wrong and Nick is right? I find that straining all credibility.



I don't do predictions as you simply can't know when the gov't will act and what will be the straw that breaks their back to do so. The only general prediction I made was that I'd be shocked if this thing was still running come sept. as that would be a year since my first post on the matter. I also said I'd be impressed if it was still going then and that still stands. Doesn't mean I suddenly believe Nick over all the people I've spoken to, but it still would be impressive.



Nice words to end your post on.... ditto from me

Nice post littlebopper, and I'm with you on a lot what you said there.
It makes a pleasant change to see someone speaking there own mind about this program without knocking it or saying its going to fail in x amount of weeks/months.

cvkint-- I am not sure how to snip so I will try to reply your answer.
I have requested several people to check out different sites, I was amazed on how many were considered illegal. So, I asked "If the site is not within the laws, why are you continueing to let it run???" No answers-- no please do not say that they can not disclose a ongoing investigation. It would be incorrect, they can and will close the site down if it is not legal. SO the SEC and canadians think this is not legal, than why have they not closed this down?

You are very well informed, and should know--- If you do NOT ask a direct question, you will always get the answer you want. I can ask any question several ways to get a answer I want.

Now I am not saying that you are wrong, nor am I implying that I am right. I agree to disagree with you.

I also have not even remotely ment to imply that you have told me what to do with my money, so please do not take it that way. Nor have I said you did predictions, I believe I mentioned PN??

Once again--- Have a great day and thank all your Mothers!!!

Some good thoughtful posts lately. Thanks for taking the time.

I do believe that we do have some Captain Ahab syndrome going on here. How did it go? If my heart was a cannon I would fire it upon thee.

Curse you, Great White P2P.

Come on guys lighten up.

Cvkint- Great Post. See guys he's not a troll, just a knowledgable investor who saying sooner or later its gonna catch up with them (speaking about gov intervention).

Who is Greg McKnight?

anyone any payouts lately?

perhaps the "naysayers" who can access the private forum are in a position to answer your query

just a thought.

Why should any one that is a upgraded member post here that they got paid, what is the point in doing that?
Really what is the point if even posting any thing here at all.
Layton

He's one of the last guys who ran a perfectly legal prgram that wasn't selling securities, just taking loans, and assured you everything was legal because it wasn't repeat WAS NOT an investment, and oh yeah, it was "off shore" sot he US law didn't matter anyhow.

He was indicted last week, the program shut down, the assets siezed by the SEC. Funny thing is, the SEC interviewed this guy over a year ago and they just now got around to taking the website down the other day.

He'll be in prison very soon. Even though he was still making (token) payments.

Google search legisi scam

i joined here a week ago but have not deposited anything yet. we have to fund it within 10 days, right? hmm uh oh think my account would be canceled soon, can they not extend it or can't I make a new one?

I can't access the chat room too because it is now protected and I don't know where to find the password...

http://sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2008/lr20563.htm

There was another one that was brought down whose owner told US authorities. "This site is helping the US economy." Hear that line before?

P.S. To the individual who sent me a PM a few days ago, and you know who you are and I would rather not say your name in public, I am putting together a response for you.

Hi Goldkitty:

I love your adorable kitty avatar. It reminds me of a former kitty I had who is now waiting at the Rainbow Bridge. Nice to see that picture.

Go to My Cash Forum and post this in the support section, and someone will help you.

Suspended accounts can still get support there, until they are active again. Then you can use the private forum.

See this as a blessing in disguise. I believe it is highly unlikely that if you pay into this one now you'll get anything back. If I were you I'd let your account lapse, put your money somewhere safe, then feel glad you did when you see this fail before you would have been paid.

No problem the whole snipping thing is a blessing and a curse at the same time... trust me, sometimes when I quote directly people complain about too much quoting then of course if I don't quote they complain I am taking their points out of context... it's hard being a "naysayer"



They have to let it run until they have all their ducks in a row to bring it down. Which was why I bought up Greg McKnight and Legisi that was considered the ultra safe NON Hyip, it ran for almost two years, for the last YEAR the SEC had an ongoing investigation.. when they released the docs last week they had references in the complaint going back over a year to info the agents pulled off the site out of their forums, etc.. all over a year prior to charges being laid... so in answer to your question I honestly believe based on the people I've talked to that this same fate will happen to Nick as well. The SEC etc.. don't give advanced warning they swoop in and do what they do...



Actually that is quite true, if there is an ongoing investigation they are not allowed by law to comment on it publicly.



I say they will in due time, this program is not even 18 months old yet, yes I agree that is a lifetime for a HYIP but others have run longer and then fell...



Agreed.



Agreed, nothing wrong with mature adult debate, we are allowed to be on opposing sides in our opinions and still treat each other with respect... I appreciate you doing so.



I did not see the reference to PN in that post so I assumed (obviously incorrectly) it was aimed at me.. my apologies.

Have a good day.

This is a great program.. I feel safe here

cvkint (or anybody else that may have some insight),

I too did see the info about Greg McKnight on the SEC website. I didn't know (until now) they were accusing him of running a ponzi. I thougt it would have just been selling securities without a license. He is a US citizen so I can see how the SEC can get him. The same goes for the kids who were running CEP; they lived in the US too. I don't konw about 12dp, PIPS, or any of the others because that was before my time, but I have heard of them.

How long did Swisscash last? Wasn't that based in Malaysia or something? Is there any kind of lawsuits, etc going on with that? What has been to date, the program that has been around the longest, and for how long? I'm not sure if you would know the answers to that, but just curious.

As for P2P, in your opinion, could the SEC themselves actually do anything to Nick? Yes, this program is made available to US citizens via the internet, and it may be considered a security (which he apparently is not licensed to sell to US citizens, or Canadians, etc), but as far as I know, the US doesn't control the whole world wide web. So, my question is; is the fact that US citizens are invovled with P2P, give the SEC the window they need? And if so, how could that be? That would mean the SEC and the US govt. would be able to intevene with anybody or any company (investment opp. i mean) in any country so long as US citizens are involved. Am I wrong?

If Nick has no business dealings in the US, has no offices in the US, and is not a resident of the US, what can the SEC do except influence the OSC or RCMP (or any other agency) to do something about it? Plus, if he is really "offshore" somewhere, the govt of that particular country, or island, or whatever, may not have as much a problem with it as the US does so where would that leave everything?

what are you waiting for ?? upgrade this is a great site and nick is a superb admin .

I don't have funds yet and waiting.

p-2-p is open to anyone in the world who is able to create a Solid Trust Pay account or Alertpay account. Why is there so much talk here on this forum about one Governments control issues? If anyone in the world can join, depending on their ability to open one of the processors mentioned then people seem crazy to keep pushing one governments issues over all other governments there are associated with each member.

I have read the 247 page complaint against greg and it's clear it was a ponzi right from the start, I won't bore you or anyone else with all the off topic details but they investigate him for almost exactly a year before closing him down... and he was opened for about six months when they started.. so he got 18 months in.



Don't know the exact time line on SC, but it was quite a while and there are many charges and pending lawsuits on that one... I would not want to be going to jail in Malaysia... that gov't is getting very strict about all the internet scams and are very happy to co-operate with any and all gov'ts that will help them.



It is my understanding that the SEC can NOT do anything directly to Nick, as he is living in Canada and his bank accounts are there. But they (the SEC) have direct access to the proper people in Canada and as both countries use the same basic laws to determine what is or is not a security and what does or does not need to be registered the SEC as they have in the past will work closely with and then take equal credit for bringing Nick down when the time comes... although I believe it will be symbolic only.



The US is still the single most powerful country in the world, regardless of how it looks at times of late. When the SEC comes knocking on the door of other gov'ts and can show that somebody living in that country is breaking US laws they are given a lot of room in which to operate. Now if Nick were living in Panama or somewhere off shore and what he was doing was NOT against those laws the SEC would have a much harder time, but we are talking about Canada here... so it's a very close relationship and has been for many years. The key is the SEC will need to prove to the Canadians that US law is being broken, then if the Canadians confirm that their laws are being broken as well its a slam dunk.



Sorry got ahead of myself, answered above.



The thing is that Ponzis are illegal just about everywhere.. you see here is the difference if Nick was in fact running a real investment company somewhere and the SEC came knocking at the door and said hey he isn't registered to sell securities in the US they could say well that's fine but he IS here.. so ummm he's broken no laws. But Panama, Nevis, BVI, TC etc..etc.. Ponzis are illegal and operating them is going to find that person going to jail or being sued etc..etc.. sooner or later.

I realize all the believers here right now honestly truly think this is real so forth and so on and I know nothing I say will change that, so be it. Each person must do what works for them.. so the above is simply offer opinions and past factual info that I believe applies in this case. I have actually already moved past the stage of caring about saying I told you so when this fails... but I can't say I still won't came back at that time for a a bit of gloating... I will try not to as I know many people's lives will be ruined just like with Legisi... good luck to all those that are just getting in now... the private forum and payment processor have always been the opening signs to things failing... just like the never happening energy bank...

Something that puzzles me is why members have to delete public links to the program. It does not change the fact that they still accept new members. So why do it? Its not like at this point that someone cant find the url either. So why do it other than to create some sort of comfort zone in the so called investors minds that this is different from the other so called "non hyip" programs" that have ended in the closed section of mmg. It seems like psycological trickery to me.

If Nick could shut off the incoming money faucet it may be different but its pretty obvious what is going on here. They still need new members and this makes it look like a privilege to join but at the same time the door is wide open still for new money. Wonder how long this would last without any fresh cash coming in? Maybe Nick will prove me wrong and close off to new members but I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

Thanks cv for the response. I don't always agree with stuff you post (well, maybe not the content of your posts, but how you post it ) but I do appreciate the time you took to respond.

So, I guess what the SEC would have to do (like you said) is prove to the OSC that P2P is breaking a US Law. I am wondering how they would prove that to the OSC. All ponzi accusations aside, if the law that is being broken is the selling of securities to US citizens, is the key to the whole case the fact that US citizens are able to join P2P through the world wide web, thus making it available to US citizens, even though it is not exactly being "offered" or "sold to US citizens except through a refferal program.

This stuff does interest me quite a bit actually. Also, is there a link to where the long complaint against Greg McKnight can be found?

You're quite welcome, believe me I hear the same comment many times, I just don't have the time to sugar coat stuff so people get rubbed the wrong way when I post an in your face matter of fact sounding post.. no harm intended but I understand how people feel that way but with the amount of forums I work in and own etc..etc.. I just don't have time to make em all nice...



Yes, it is pretty easy as they would use the Howey test and that makes it clear as a bell. Once that is done and it's proven it really falls to the OSC to follow up with the RCMP. As the OSC is simply for compliance and they do not do enforcement... the RCMP much like the FBI etc, will move at their own pace and it will be done when they feel it's done, but having the US prompting them will likely make it happen more quickly that if they were doing simply and internal look at this.



The Ponzi side of things is not really that important at all, it's an interesting debate and it will be interesting when all is said and done to see how much of a scam this is, there is NOBODY that has read through the Legisi complaint that can believe some of the stuff in there, it's mind boggling...



Actually the biggest issue is much like you say, but the real issue is that it's being offered to ANYBODY, there is nothing wrong with private investment clubs and private offerings, but they can only legally be offered to people with a net worth of more than 1 million bucks and a yearly income of greater than 200k that is NOT the bulk of the P2P members...if Nick truly was offering a real investment, he could make himself legal in the US pretty easily actually but that fact that he doesn't just speaks more to the fact it's a scam... plus now that Nick has talked to people on the phone etc.. it adds other charges but that is for the legal boys to unwind this one.



Have a read of this and let me know if your skin crawls... or maybe if you see a fair number of things being said an done that pretty much mirror P2P....

Hmmm ok for some reason links to this site are NOT allowed ON MMG so you will have to put it back together yourself... just remove the * from between the words put the . back in and you will have the link

http://www*4shared*com/file/46828811/85481038/Complaint.html?

Later,

Geez cv, that was a very interesting and shocking read. Once I started, I couldn't stop reading it. I did notice that they appointed a reciever, but they're only asking to go after his family, etc who he gave money too, not anybody else who may have been in profit as a legisi investor. I guess the CEP situation being in bankruptcy must be different than Legisi.

Also, I'm not sure what a Howey test is but I'll try and google it to find out. Do you have any source I could go to, to learn more about what that is?

Also, I find it interesting that it's okay for people to invest privately or offshore only if they already have alot of money (200K/yr or net worth of 1 million). Is that a US thing? I don't wanna sound cliche' but isn't that kind of keeping the rich people rich and the little guy/middle class guy down?

Anyways, thanks again for the info.

I did read the complaint. Thank you Cvkint for providing the link. I though it was very interesting that confidential government agents posed as potential members. It would be interesting to learn if any of these agents actually purchased an investment. Could you imagine how angry they would be if their money was stolen?

I would like to provide some input. Yes, it does appear that the SEC is only going after family and friends, but remember this is still in the priliminary stage. All the CEP lawsuits started about a month after the SEC shut them down.

The reason CEP was placed into bankruptcy was because they were in fact bankrupt. By forcing CEP into bankruptcy and filing lawsuits was an attempt to recover some of the millions that went to certain individuals at the expense of others. This was the only way that the victims could have at least a chance of a recovery. I think people have to wait until the Legisi Receiver makes a determination as to how much money is left to distribute to the victims. If the findings mirror CEP, Legisi will be forced into bankruptcy in an attempt to recover money from the "first-ins" at the expense of the "last-ins". If a bankruptcy is not warranted, the Receiver's attorney can certainly go after individuals who benefited greatly and should be forced to surrender the ill-gotten gains they received.

I believe the large amounts necessary to invest privately and offshore are put in place so that only "serious" investors partake in the opportunity. Whether you believe it or not, many "rich" people lose a lot of money in these ventures. Its a gamble, but if someone is rich, the loss does not hurt as much as it would to an average middle class person. The SEC is not in place to protect the rich, but more for the protection of the average joe.

Regardless of what anyone says, if the SEC wants you, they will find a way.

Actually the biggest issue is much like you say, but the real issue is that it's being offered to ANYBODY, there is nothing wrong with private investment clubs and private offerings, but they can only legally be offered to people with a net worth of more than 1 million bucks I HAVE TWO WORDS ---UNFAIR CRAP.... NO WAY IS THAT FAIR RIGHT to cap on ones income or net worth.... that is interesting thanks spidey

Hi GoldKitty,

Thanks for your input. I'm kinda new to this arena but from what I hear, you really know your stuff

I do agree with you that the if the SEC wants something or someone bad enough, they can probably get it. However, I think it would get pretty hairy trying to get restitution from international members, who of course, are not US citizens, if Legisi really did have members from 30 other countries besides the US. I don't think it would be fair if they went after only US members and not everyone else to try and gain restitution. I would think the same would apply for P2P because there are several members from several countries around the world AND the program itself isn't in the US at all (but Legisi and CEP are/were).

nevermind

Why the edit. You got paid.

Unfortunately, fair/not fair would NOT be used as a criteria for the SEC going only after US citizens/members.

Still No Avatars* i got paid


Buy* You 1 Avatar LOL i got Paid

hello everyone,

I have a friend at work who is in pathway-2-prosperity he and wife are making money.

I want to get in but his wife is delaying coming up with the info for me to be my sponcer.

So who on here would like to be my sponcer? the first to reply will get to be the one.

Thanks to all

imkevinm@yahoo.com

please no spam just sponcers

just wait for your sponsor's wife, it'd be better for you as you know them already.

New rules state we can only sponsor family or friends, so unless you can pop over to the UK for a cup of tea then you need to wait for your friend.

Maybe your friends wife is trying to tell you something, like stay away! 98% of the people who get duped do not like to admit that they were that foolish.

The best advice I can give you is to stay away from this so called "investment". There is zero proof of its returns and everything points back to it being a ponzi scam. The membership has grown enough to support the payouts up until now at least but its just a matter of time before the ponzi collapse. Do you feel lucky? You will need to be in order to get paid. THis program is illegal as well. All you have to do is call the OSC and they will fill you in and I can assure you they know about this scam along with the SEC. Good luck.

join soon dude and make good bucks

Hi ppl,

I need some help here...

i'm new on this site and i need help on the procedures to send money of solid trust to P2P...

In the P2P only i have to do is make a deposit and choose solid trust?

And in the solid trust account.. what i have to do? what procedures i have to take?

Thanks in advance and sorry my bad ingles

John Rodrigo