What scams are these, Please? Websites will prove. Kindly advise which websites to go to for Nick's scams. Present and past.

Virgee2008

well said sir, and very informative....

can i ask about your anti fraud education programs.. hope u got my pm

lol ditto these people are making a big fool of themselves !!

Hi Shadowkat*, wouldn,t want 2 meet your avatar in the dark

Hi Everyone

P-2-P seems to be working fine for a lot people!!!

To anyone posting negative things about Nick or p-2-p, can you provide any proff about what you have said??

Everywhere im finding people willing to show/email p-2-p returns and payouts for proof but i dont see anyone willing to show any proof that it is a scam, or any proof that they have been scammed.

If you people are only speculating you are costing potential new member that dont join some very good return!!!

P-2-P has helped a lot of people so far...

-dmue

Friends it seems that there are some idiots poster and i am sure they are paid poster who wants to see P2P down but it will never happen not today and not in future..they saying P2P is ponzi site but in reality it is not ..NO PONZI SITE CAN PAY 100,000$ IN PER BATCH PAYOUT AND ON DAILY BASIS...P2P is paying daily such a big amount which is not possible for any ponzi site so please ignore these idiots..we are happy in P2P and we all will have bright future with P2P..KEEP IT UP NICK FOR OUT STANDING JOB...

UA

Hello Everyone, Do you think* anyone like myself will invest the $600 in the 60 plan thanks 2 the $600 rebate i,m getting from Uncle Bush

Looks like this one has been around for more than a year. Are there any millionaires yet? How much can be made with this program?

John

I have been reading this forum with great interest. Nick seems to be a bit of a 'cult figure' and I personally beleive that there are many members here who sadly are a little gullible. I also beleive that many of these gullible people are also taken in by other cult figures/leaders. Remember the geezer from 2000 years ago started spouting stuff, and it even got documented into a book. Even now people still beleive this cult leaders book, and follow it to the letter!! I dont think Nick will be rememberd in even 10 years, but it goes to show, that the majority are looking for something, either harmony, peace, financial freedom etc, then someone offers it, and we dont ask how? Or is it possible? we just jump in and fully beleive. EXACTLY like religion, and this is why people like Nick will always do well. I will stake my life on this: the majority of those who swear by Nick and will defend him at all costs, ALSO follow another cult figure. The one from 2000 years ago??!

It would be great if this program were 100% legit, but I cannot CANNOT see how these returns can possible be made. Otherwise banks would follow suit and offer us mere mortals a better %. Lets get the banks to invest with p2p and they can then offer us 5% monthyl. That would be good.

I was in P2P. I wanted to think this was the real thing. If he offered say 10% a month or 20% a month, then I too would probably be a beleiver. But Bill Gates, Rich Branson and all the other tycoons surely surely do not and cannot make 60% in 30 days. And 26% after 15 days. CMON!!!

We are entitled to our opinions. I am not here to slate the program. I just want it be known that I do not think that 25% after 15 days is possible in the long term. Nick has formed a great cult following, and he even has vicars and preachers falling for his spiel. I think I may form a site, offer a very reasonable 15% for 15 days, and say I am the messiah. Maybe I can become a great admin, and once money reaches a certain amount, lets say $250000, then quitely dissappear into the sunset. Then say that I had a message from god saying I had to do a runner. That will then appease all my followers and I can then wait a bit, then start a new site.

I wish you all good luck. Nobody likes anyone to lose, but there surely cannot be enough money in the world, if say 100 members each put in 25G's, then compounded for 2 years! WOW!!! Least he doesn't say he is a forex whiz!!

I wish p2p all the luck in the world, from Charlie

Very well said dear Ubaid my friend.

Well, I am so happy that you made an intelligent decision, even with all the name association you Included, and your one post. Just curious, you said you joined, so the question is why did you join in the first place if you thought you would lose, well if you did join and upgrade, you then also earned the returns, and if you cashed out, you were paid with a profit If that is so, then why are you crying now, what is the point, since you already have your profit.

Layton

ACtually the best thing about this one is that Every one is in profit after just one month. This is really a very good program. I do not know about others but i am sure that Nick must be putting funds somewhere to give all this kind of money to all of us.

It is almost impossible to sustain this long period where one is in profit within just one month.

I have been getting paid for almost 10 months now.

Thanks to all P2P team.

uhmm...gee thanks..

what a nice thing to say.

I'm still in and hope to squeeze more out of the tube.


And there I thought for a while you were just one of those "negative" naysayers.

You're alright.

At least you could say, you've been through p2p and didn't get scammed out of your bucks.

Hello Layton.
I am not crying. Or moaning. I was just stating that this is your typcial program where all the masses follow blindly, just like will cults. Saint Nick this and saint Nick that. I hope I am proved wrong.

I am not a naysayer. IMO these returns are impossible. I remember the 12dp forum, and all the religous nuts there who thought that charis was the new messiah.

I dont have a problem with nick or p2p. I just hate religion being brought into the mix. Like 'thank god' for this site and 'thank god' for saint nick. And every morning i wake up and pray and thank god for Nick giving us this opportunity. That makes me cringe and feel sick. You dont need to thank god. Just thank Nick.

Charlie

Charlie I'm with ya, but you're wasting your breath, same as every other program of this nature before it, it will come down. When it does the true believers will break into the usual groups, those that can't believe Nick was a liar all along and those that are so sure it was a gov't agency that didn't want the little guy to get rich...

you're quite right it's impossible for any legit business to create the returns that Nick claims month after month and lets use some common logic a year or even two years is NOTHING to write home about if in fact this is real.. yes for a HYIP/Ponzi it's very good, right up there, but for a real business boasting about lasting over a year would be pretty pathetic.

The simple fact of the matter is that Nick wont' prove he has outside income because he can't... there is no other reason the longer this goes the harder he and his followers are going to fall. Not the people in with their eyes open playing the game, they will be fine, but the good honest simple folks that believe all the hype... most of the game players will move on to the next can't miss sure thing with the next king of the HYIPs of course some of the Naysayers will follow them to that thread and quote all the garbage they said there... they will rant and rave how this time it's different just like the people here talking about how CEP was different when in fact it was sooooo much the same it's scary...

Good posts btw, simple objective personal POV not something the sheep take kindly to though...

All I can say is that it is the members that bring the religion factor up, not once has Nick mentioned religion, in fact he has said that since the program has such a varied religious make up, he dosent really want religion brought up., so I fail to see where the cult mentality comes into play. I also dont like religion to come into the mix, and the ST. mention of Nick in front of his name. I was just curious as to why you got out of a program that in spite of every thing that has been said about the program, that it is in fact still paying and nothing thaht has been said about it, nothing has came to pass as of yet.

Layton

PIPs, ST, YMMSS, 12dp and im sure some others have done that... so please don't say it's not a ponzi because of that... For the record I am not claiming P2P is or isn't a ponzi, just saying that statement isn't factual...

Yoda

Layton, I know you are not asking the above question of me, but as I'm in the same boat I can answer from my POV why I got out of it even though it was still paying. I try to invest in only things that I can do enough DD on that I feel they are long term viable legal programs or that they are a small enough investment to throw it away... but if the "creep" factor is strong enough I would prefer to just walk away rather than stick around. I was a member as stated of P2P way back when, I invested I think it was 300 bucks, or something like that and had it cycle once, but during that time I was doing further DD on Nick and actually spoke to him and in that one conversation it became crystal clear that he was no more a millionaire investor than I was Brittany Spears, he didn't know simple basic financial terms that anybody in the investing world would know, he was unable to answer any direct questions always going back to his help the little guy speech, etc... for me the red flags were too large to stick around with the knowledge that I was in fact taking money at the expense of someone that likely didn't know any better. Yes I did make profit but I donated that money so there was no personal gain.

I am NOT trying to impose my morals on anyone else, so to each their own.. but there are many in the same boat as me. I have been taken before in other investments, both real ones off line and fake ones online, but when one knows they are NOT in something legit it's their personal compass that has to lead them to whatever action they will take.

No problem, every one makes a personal decision as to what they do, I never critizise that.

Layton

p2p rocks one of the best sites ive ever seen , go cry u naysayers cause u wont make the giant fall boo hoo

Well if I were you I certainly would because you've got nowt to lose. Go for it dude!

Welcome* John, i sent you a PM


Good Day* Bobbyboy, i gota do the math and i will* go for it

If I'm right it's less than two weeks to go now before this one bites the dust.

Ya I think your right PN. I noticed all the natives getting real restless just like b/4 minvestment failed. I dont know why that is but it seems to happen a few week b/4 it fails.

when the deadline comes and goes, well....take comfort in that you can always set a new prophetic d-day...say..for another2 weeks or a month or two..

but if your prediction finds fullfillment, the "I told ya so's shall come flooding in--in chorus

either way, you lose nuttin.

hey nineteen

it will be worth ur while!! there are some excel spredsheats on ************.com if you search under p-2-p... it will help you manage ur investment...

i would say good luck but now that you found p-2-p you have all the luck you need...

If Im not mistaken payouts today were for April 3rd which puts them one day outside of their terms. Of course it was necessary to increase the 48 hour guarantee to two weeks now and that seems to be on the edge of getting away from Nick. Maybe the fresh money isnt coming in fast enough to cover those large payouts. Maybe investor (and I use that word loosely) confidence is faltering. Who knows when for sure it will collapse but its certain it will happen. All hyip games fail at some point and this is an hyip game no matter who Nick copied his faq from.

You have to admit it's really funny how the sheep line up to scream wow I got paid on time too, way to go Nick, but for I don't know how long he's been hanging right on the edge of not being within the terms HE SET... yet there is no common logic for that.. all he is doing is moving "money" from a payment processor to payment processor... once he has money... so why does it take two weeks for his super secret piggy backed investment to get money to him now... it used to get to him in 48 hours... it's not like each person has their money moved from the investment fund at once, he likely would do it in a batch file each day... we know the transfer from processor to processor is instant, so it's taking 11 days to get to him? As it's still only ONE payment no matter how many members he has kinda odd how he keeps slipping or barely staying within his new terms

Yes cvkint, it is funny to me. Its amazing that no one has brought this up. Its business as usual at p2p I guess and Nick could probably pay them a month late and no one would be upset or think anything about it. I know for sure the true players in this have noticed. They are not part of the cult that has formed. They play the game in a different manner.

I have to say that some of those who I thought were players have disappointed me. Im seeing familiar names that have been burnt in previous scams defending this like its a real business. Maybe their intention is to try to get it to last so they can get out or maybe they are just naive and incapable of learning from their past mistakes. Who knows for sure but its fun to watch.

Any news on the energy "bank"?

Who would we be paid by? You dont find referral links in a naysayers signature do you. Speaking of which, are you not running a ponzi that is piggy backing on p2p? That would explain your sudden interest and concern. Your statement about a ponzi program not being able to pay xxx dollars per day, month or whatever is inaccurate. We all know better from the likes of PIPS, YMMSS, CEP, 12 daily pro and the list goes on and on. Nothing unique has taken place here yet. Now, the oldest trick in the book of the in house payment "bank" is about to be put in place for a good reason I suspect. It will be much easier for Nick to control the numbers on a screen vs having to really pay out otherwise.

Me and my friend got paid. This is our 10th payment in a row. I will not say that this is a big amount but yes this is also not a small amount. Thanks to all p2p team.

before u ask ubaid such stupid questions you should see yourself in the mirror ,im sure the mirror will crack up laughing !!

Please explain? You lost me. Is Ubaid not running a autosurf ponzi that is not pigging back off of p2p? If he is not, I apologize but that seems to be the norm these days and also the common thought with his program. Am I wrong and can you prove it?

The p2p ponzi is coming down soon. It will start with the so called "bank" just like Bob Krimms tri star payout mess. The media will come next and then the govt with any luck. Talk big all you want but this is a scam waiting to happen and I only wonder where you, layton, and others will be when it comes time to answer for you actions that have lead many down the dirt road to disaster. Your quotes can be referenced on mmg and other places and it will be interesting if anybody finds them of interest. Keep talking. As I said before, loose lips sink ships. Its only a matter of time isnt it?

dont worry i will be here only and get your facts right i dont even promote any site , turned blind or cant see that i have no signatures ?? so where is the question of leading people , as far as ubaid and nick are concerned we all very well know their intentions we dont need to learn from people like u , and if u guys are on a mission to screw all sites then go ahead cause it will be u who will be fallen on the ground not us , ta ta !!

If i remember, this high return concept was started with PIPS. I was the first to join in feb.2004 and it lasted only till december. Though it paid some good money but P2P is far ahead with this. YMMSS was the program to double the money, they never said that they were earning on members money, it was pure ponzi from the starting. CEP was a great program as i really made some good money there and Trevor helped me and some my knowns with charity. i still wish CEP was there. But CEP was coming down with many more programs so one can think that may be there was a ponzi element. 12dailypro was also a ponzi as the owner never claimed to earn on peoples money.

but P2P is very very different from all these. Here one gets in profit within a month and your capital never expires. I still cannot understand that how a ponzi can survive this long. If anyone can give an example then i will greatly appriciate.
Can you imagine P2P is not only paying to new members but to all those who are here from the begining. How is this possible withougt any outside incomes. if its a ponzi then lets say there are 15000 members and assume that all are invested here then how many more members are needed there to pay these 15000 members next month.
no way, a ponzi can never pay this kind of money.

P2P Rocks. No Doubt.

Come on who is running ponzi site??me ohh no i am not running ponzi site i am professional and i know how to generate profit and pay members..by the way if you don't like P2P so why you are posting here do you have lot of free time??we are investing from our own pocket and this is our own money not yours and as you are saying that p2p will be down it is your dream which will never be TRUE not now and not in future so for GOD sake no need to worry about all of us we all knows that what is good and what is bad for us we are doing everything from our choices if we will generate profit so it will be ours and if we got loss it will also ours but what are you earning to post against P2P??come on tell me?what benefits you are getting to post against P2P if it is not good program so simply STAY away but you have no rights to post against anything like that..if we will loss it will be from our pocket not from yours pocket so what is your problem?>?why you are jealous to see us successful? if you think it is ponzi site better stay away from P2P becuase we all know NICK and we all know that how P2P is running and it is not ponzi !! have a good day

UA

some of these fools should know that gambling ( casinos ) can make a person win or lose 60% even in 1 week forget 1 month , so whats the big issue about the reality returns and all ?? lol go live a life u guys cause u cant bring down p2p atleast !!

Edit: Personal attack. Please stay on topic here.

from one fool to another fool....we are all fools. If you don't think so, then you are a fool.

LOl English is not my primary language by they way but if you are understanding so it is ok no need to try to change the point or topic Ii am not un-educated i am Qualified and i know how to run the things and i know i am not running ponzi site and everyone knows that you just tell me how much you are earning for post against P2P??you are paid to poster because no one have much time to post about any site and i think you have no work haha and much time that is why you are posting and wasting you time PLEASE STOP PAID TO POST HERE!!! and if you want to come in my thread so you are welcome there my all members knows me very well so i am not worried you are welcome there

UA

ok guys

I just want to point out a few things. Basically, I get wound up when religion gets used. Most of the worlds problems come from religous nuts. I am not for one second saying P2P is a scam. I am not disputing the fact that it has been paying for over 12 months. The reason I came here was due to my annoyance with religion and maybe a cult (sorta) following (in my opinion).

If you read some of the other forums exampl mc* and a*a, the amount of religion spouted drives me crazy. Religion has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any program EVER. But fools still insist on thanking the lord for this program and thanking god for that program. We all know 99% of programs are either 'honest' ponzis or 'dishonest' ponzis. For example, 12dp was an honest ponzi IMO. She got closed down whilst paying big time. A dishonest scam was money trip/surflibertad. Then you have the programs (like cep) who mislead members. They said they had outside investments, whereas in reality they earned from other sites. But we should all take what an admin says with a pinch of salt.

If Nick is really earning 60% or not, that is fine. People should only really use money they can afford to lose. I am not here to argue the toss about whether 60% is achievable or not, as it is not my concern. It has nothing to do with me as I got in and out last year. Put in $150 or something.

If religion had not been used ridiculously, then I would have continued just reading. Apologies if religion hasn't really been used in this thread on mmg. It sure as heck does over the other 2 places. I couldnt resist airing my frustration!!

I will sit back now and observe. If this site is still strong come the summer (June) then I will come back, apologise profusely and become a born again christian. That is a promise. Then I can thank the lord as that will obviously be a sign. Actually, make that July. July 25 before I pass judgement again. Although I may comment if 'praise the lord' gets used. (excuse me, being a little cheeky with the born again christian bit, just being a tad sarcy

Finally, I have a lot of respect for ubaid. He has 100% been honest and upfront from the very start. Personal insults are not neccessary. His English is 100% better than my 'Pakistani'. So Ubaid's English should never be brought into it. Plus he should not be called 'uneducated' because of his english. I personally think he should be called very educated due to his excellent grasp of English. We are here to discuss p2p, not Ubaid's excelent site. His INS thread is only across the way, although I dont think you will find too many unhappy people there.

Charlie

so mr highly educated stop taking digs at others whose primary language is not english , i bet u wont beable to argue with anyone speaking in french or german , so stop with your personal insults .. what better job do you have than jump from one thread to another trying to destroy programs lol !!

hmm...might be going a tad close for mod intervention.

Free speech is one thing.

Personal insults quite another.



Thread's not a snoozer that's for certain.

How arrogant, insipid, prideful, high-minded, insolent, overbearing, and superior. I am ashamed that thanks to you and your attitude, people have called us "ugly Americans." We could do with a lot less of your kind.

Einstein was educated in a different language--probably didn't speak very good English. Do you think you could match your English skills against his intelligence?

I have read all of your posts, and I have found multiple English errors, and you probably only speak one language. You are coming across to be very inept in your own language.

Just something to think about.

zoe

P.S. I'm hoping that you are not American and that you speak several languages so that I may have the opportunity to think a little better of you.

I've just got a one liner for those disbelievers and naysayers.

If you want to make stuff up, put it under the heading 'Fiction'

Otherwise give us proof which we can all see and read for ourselves.
Thanks

I congratulate you for this wonderful post zoe.
Excellent and my thoughts exactly.

Poor man...

Looks a bit like the kettle calling the pot black to me. Your English isn't that good either from what you have posted above.

I totally agree with the personal insults. This is way out of line!

Hey MODS... do you think you can clean up the air in here?? Someone (cough...cough) is stinkin' the whole thread up!!

p.s. GREAT post Zoe... my thoughts exactly!

Oddly enough I agree with the cheerleaders that Drillbit calling someone out due to English NOT being their native tongue is not fair play. I think he diminishes his point of view when doing that. We all makes mistakes both in grammar and spelling so it's something that should be accepted and ignored as this is not school..

But I do find it odd how all the cheerleaders suddenly chime in with how personal insults have no place here etc..etc.. yet I've been insulted a number of times, I guess personal insults are only frowned upon by the cheerleaders when it's one of their own being insulted... now why doesn't that surprise me?

Well thank god this joke of a thread is finally coming to an end. Those who are involved with P2P will begin using a private thread which is for "Members Only"


We will not come here and waste our breath or tell you that we're raking in the cash, or about the other investment opps Nick gives us - or how well the
energy bank and debit card are doing. You guys can continue to have your bashing jollies on your own time- I gift this thread to you.

Knock yourselves out.