Virgee, I hope that you are aware that portions of the faq were lifted directly from a old scam called invest place. There was another hyip program I believe called midas something or the other that portions were taken from. Someone needs to explain to Nick what plagiarism is.

While this may not seem devastating it gives yet more insight into the preparation into what many think is a real business. I would hate to think that is the best Nick can do but it evidently is. I think it that speaks volumes about his real capability. Anybody can run a ponzi and it sure looks like anybody can throw together a faq.

My conclusion is that the p2p faq written by Nick (and others) is as useless as a pencil with no lead.

Congrats* Virgee2008 Hey drillbit* where is your avatar

Thanks a lot Drillbit, Layton... I will try that.
Pity I did not know that could happen.
I was trying to find out how to tranfer my funds fron STP to P2P but no one would help until after I was suspended.
***happends Huh?

Look foward to talking again soon. Cheers, Meshuganah

i,m going With Women 2 Win* Democrats* i hope you Win PA*

I think you should hold off transferring funds into p-2-p. If I'm right then this thing is going to collapse before anyone paying in today gets paid, i.e., in case that isn't clear enough, I think you'll almost certainly lose your money if you pay into p-2-p today.

I have to agree with PonziNemesis. If you put money in the 30 day plan today you will not get paid out for around 45 days assuming they are still within terms at that time. 45 days is a lifetime in the hyip game world. If you have deposited and have a change of heart I would ask for a full refund as Layton has stated. I would hate to see you lose your money.

Ok, Now we have two that say's it wont last, well at this time, the program is still paying and functioning, so just what evidence do you have at this time that it will not survive other than what has repeatedly said before. I see nothing at this time to indicate any problems, all I can really see is TWO persons personal opinion that it is, just want to see some new proof that it is, proof that is official and not one's opinion.

Layton

Paid again today from P2P and one of many, Thanks P2P.

These people on this forum that want to degrade and trash talk P2P are people to just ignore. Dont answer their posts or do not acknowledge their writings. Ignore them and do not debate them in any way! These are people we do not want in P2P anyway, so no need to try and convince them because it just can NOT be done as its in their personalities.

Have a Great Day Edhinfla* Yellow is beautiful

The only proof I can offer you is that in the history of time no company has ever been able to sustain 60 to 80 percent returns per month and survive government interaction. Somewhere along the line you have to use come common sense if its available. This program will end just like all of the others before it and the 100 dollar question is when. Given the program has already lasted for over a year the end is certainly near based on passed history. Of course there are exceptions here and there but this is a high yield internet program and its life span is limited by cash flow among other things.

I would also like to see some proof to some of my questions because I would like to make as much money as you Layton assuming I could do it in a legal manner. So far, I have not seen one shred of proof to any claims that p2p had made so they deserve to be questioned since they are the ones making the claims that seem too good to be true. Its only logical not to believe them when they cant give a definitive answer.

I was never in this program but considering the rates, the fact that is has a year already I agree with you.

Plus I hate to see this Rich Jerk attitude that for a reason I do not understand has always convinced people and still is. This program reminds me about CEP a bit. Too bad HONEST people will lose their money here and if what I noticed well they invested a lot, maybe more than they could afford so this is going to be a huge disappointment when it fails what is a sure thing. You only need common sense to see this.

But I'm not here to advise people not to play their money, after all it's nice to go to a casino, but I would advise people not to put their trust and faith in this or in any other program. Especially these days when the markets are troubled and we see even huge international banks failing in their activity.

Anyway, I wouldn't have posted anything here if I didn't see how lame this Nick person that I don't know treats its members, what lame stories he tells them and expects them to truly believe them. And of course if I didn't read Layton's post that reminds me of so many cheerleaders ( but that of cheerleader that makes you loose a lot of money, not just a few hundreds ), posting his huge revenues and fancying that "I don't give a " attitude. I don't know what your involvement is in this program but I for one know the like of you...too bad for the HONEST people

Well, in that we are both right and both wrong in that neither of us can prove it either way, we are both looking at past performance and that is all we can look at. You are looking at the historic shelf life, and you are correct in that and I agree that you are correct, I on the other look at the so far continued performance, so we both will really have to see what develops in the future.

For what it is worth, I have enjoyed this logical discussion, it is nice to engage in one without the usual comment.




Layton

Hi guys, Drillbit, Leyton...etc.
Thanks for your support.
I did try to join the '************' but am not able to post yet.
Although my membership was verified, I have to wait for someone else to check me out...

P2P, Still no response. I am so ****off ! I was keen and had found something new. Opened an STP account and put money into it. Tried to transfer the funds but could not find out from anyone what to do. Martin sent me an email telling me how to get it through but by then me account was suspended. No one will answer my emails, no one will tell me why the account was suspended.
Its almost as if no one is home....they've left the lights on and ****off! I have been pounding on that door for far too long!
I know when I am not wanted so I will not be tranfering money into anything with a 2 in the middle.
Any one got any other good ideas? I am all yours!
Cheers from sunny and beautiful Queensland......still great even if your not wanted..

Meshuganah



Hi Mr/Mrs moderator, Sorry about the slip up. Shouldn't talk out of school....

Nothing against the aformentioned and they do a great job just like this forum, Just a little 'peeved'. Does it show?

Cheers, Meshuganah

Well, all I can say, is that if you are still interested, you can either PM me, or load the chat room and come in there, chriss007 and Gary frequent it and they can usually reactivate your account right then and there. But it is up to you as to if you are still interested or not, and no I am not trying to convince you to get in, just to give you help if still interested.

Layton

The way the p2p script is set up right now it automatically cleans up inactive accounts. If you do not make a deposit within ten days your account is suspended. That is why you should have your money into a verified processor, stp or alertpay, before even joining p2p. Once there, invest your money from within p2p and not directly from the processor. Log into your back office and buy your plan from there instead from within your stp or alertpay back office. Send a support ticket to Chris007 via the support thread in mcf and he will activate your account for you. But act quickly, because the activation only lasts 24 hours. Hope this helps.

You guys are great and I really appreciate your offer......

I am going to spend some time 'woundlicking' and 'navelgazing'
almost as good as getting counselling.....(starting to lighten up already.)

Now that I know, I will be more ready in the future.
I have opened accounts with a couple of different 'banks' now so that I can invest with a wider range of programs.......diversify or die.......
so I have some funds to chuck at it, if the right one comes up. I think I will choose a
'younger' program anyhow.....now, let me see.....

Meshuganah.

You should know by now how that game is played..... the party lines...

Naysayers are asked... and reply....

Q. Who says US citizens can't invest?

A. Talk to SEC in your area they enforce securities law

Q. Does Nick have to be registered in Ontario?

A. Talk to the OSC, they handle all registrations for any company in Ontario offering an investment based product.

Q. I heard P2P is a retirement club, not an investment is that true?

A. No according to the law of both Canada and the US, investment and retirement clubs can only have 100 or less people, 34 or less in the case of a PPM and 13 or less if dealing with a CTA, plus they are NOT allowed to advertise to the general public and much post yearly audited reports and accounts with the IRS and RevCan to maintain their status

Q. People are saying Nick can't open a bank, why not?

A. The laws against opening banks have been strongly tightened up since 9/11 ANY bank either on shore or off must now have a sponsor bank that has BILLIONS in capital and have been in business for I believer it's over 10 years but would have to check..plus the people setting up the bank have to have a certain amount of personal experience in the banking industry.. in among all of Nick's lies I've not heard him claim that yet.

Q. Well bank or no bank he's setting up a registered company for our "corporate payment" system in the T&C

A. Well no he's not according to their Registrar of Businesses... so it must be an oversight on their part or he is NOT using P2P anywhere in the name....

Q. Nick has a business registration I've talked to people who've see it why do you say he isn't legally registered?

A. His business license is for online marketing and promotion, like back when he was pimping every scam on the planet.. I guess being a multi millionaire gets boring. It gives him NO legal right to offer investments, whether directly or "piggy backing" on something else. This is also very easy to check on the Government of Ontario's website..

The sheep are asked... and reply....

Q. Can I see proof of the outside income this company has?

A. No shut up and be grateful Nick helps us poor souls.

Q. Can see the proof of the SEC investigation where they cleared Nick's company to operate?

A. No shut up and be grateful Nick helps us poor souls.

Q. I hear there are MANY people now getting 25k+ plus payments can I talk to them?

A. No shut up and be grateful Nick helps us poor souls.

Q. Can I see some sort of proof that this is NOT a Ponzi and that more money goes out that it does in?

A. No shut up and be grateful Nick helps up poor souls.

Q. As P2P pays interest everyday to it's members why can they NOT process withdrawals on weekends?

A. Shut up and be grateful Nick helps us poor souls.

I think you get the point.. why is it when the "naysayers" offer the advice to call this or that person or organization it's considered bad form in some way... even though they are NOT offering personal opinions but rather outside third party verification..

Yet the sheep OFFER nothing, I mean nothing but Nick says.. why can't they offer up a single phone number or website or ANYTHING to even remotely provide any type of tangible proof of this so called business?

Shut up and be grateful that Nick helps us poor souls.. hahaha....

Q. Does it seem odd to you that a so called Multi Millionaire spent so much time pimping a bunch of worthless HYIPs on line and then chose MMG as the place to do a public offering of his investment vehicle?

A. No shut up and be grateful that Nick helps us poor souls.

These posts of yours appear to be very time consuming and your hatred of Nick appears so consuming that your time is not important.

p2p is still chugging along.

Just made a 4 figure payout request.

All gravy now..

Will it be around a month from now or tomorrow even?

Who knows?

Nothing in life is certain except the end of your own one day.

This thread makes interesting reading about this program.

I am very ambivalent about this program, partly because of historical precedent and partly because of the economic situation which I suspect is going to become far worse than anyone is currently foreseeing. I also am one of those people who has never even felt comfortable trusting banks and even less programs which can vanish into cyberspace from one minute to the next.

The one question I have for those who are predicting the imminent demise of this program, why? I do not see anything which would suggest that this is about to occur. If I am missing something, I wish that someone would point it out to me.

As to my position with this program, so that there is "full disclosure", I have put in the minimum amount, just to see what would occur and am fully prepared to lose that money. I do not risk money I cannot afford to lose.

You're funny, you see of all the information provided the best you can do is take shots at me??? Hahahaha typical sheep choice... sorry if you are a slow typist but that post took a couple of minutes I can spare it...

As for my hate of Nick, wow.. HATE? Can't say I hate him at all.. my time is managed just fine thanks for providing your insightful and worthwhile comments regarding P2P well done...

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Boy, sure wish you would come up with something that is intelligent and not lame, first I am not a cheerleader, just show me one post that I am pushing people to sign up,just one. When asked how the program is, I tell them how it has worked for me as of now. As for lauding the pay out I got, was asked to show any one that recieved a big pay out, I did so now I am bragging about it, ok, I am bragging, eat your heart out about it, I have it, you dont, is that what your inane comments are about, get your facts together before you spout off. As a matter of fact, I see no reason to not receive continual payouts of 15k a month for as long as it is here.

I do not mind a discussion, but first you apparently have to learn have to have one in the first place, in other words get a life before you play with the intelligent people, sheesh, talk about blond inane comments.



Have A nice Day
Layton

Well.. this is PN's prediction.

Time will tell if he's right.

And using the minimum 7-day plan..


Add (give or take) 21 days(maturity for 7 days + payout time of 14 days)

= May 4, 2008 being the earliest possible "demise" of p2p.

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Too bad you pulled out or got kicked out of P2P

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Hey Tree*Canada Won* Montreal*

Golly Nate ya caught me, secretly I want to piss away money on this ponzi...amazing the sheep just never have anything factual to talk about, they only seem able to try to make things personal. Come on Nate give it a shot, answer even ONE of the questions, show all of us ONE single shred of proof about ANYTHING Nickie poo claims..... you can keep on topic and be factual right?

I really feel bad for the true believers like you, the fall is always so much harder than the people playing with their eyes wide open...

Well lets see. He's made me money. He's made Layton money. He's made money for every single person who has invested since Feb. 07. Hell, he's even made you money. You've admitted a few times that you were once in P2P so I'm assuming when you left you walked away with a good profit. Oh sorry...I'm getting personal...Sorry...He's probably made some money for some of your Talk Gold buddies who bash the program too.. OOPS.....

Back to your proof question. Business trips--can't prove that..dont really care. DebitCard--Coming out soon..don't really care either way..Majorityshareholder in casino's that he piggybacks funds onto-- Can't prove that but he must have something because you've gotta admit he has had to have paid out more than he has taken in. Is this what your mad about? No casino proof? I'm willing to bet if you would of been nicer you would of eventually had your face to face meeting and would of seen the proof. OOPS...Sorry.. Well, besides payouts I don't think I can help you out. Just think if you hadn't withdrawn your funds how much money you would of made by now. Plus your not from the USA so no CEP like paybacks for you if something happened. So I guess if the best proof which are payouts doesn't satisfy you nothing will. Don't mean to get personal again but being a smart numbers person which you seem to be you've gotta admit that if this was a pure Ponzi it would of died long ago. Why not just admit he's created something good and just enjoy it.

Well nate let me commend you for at least attempting to talk factually about the program, but I think the above comment really show what your issue is.. it's all about the money right? Your entire argument seems to well people made money... but you don't have one iota of proof that more has gone out than come in, so your logic is totally flawed, you are told that is the case so you believe it, but you are doing so on blind faith.



No I don't have to admit that, why should I? Nate if someone had come to you a month before 12DP or CEP a host of other programs failed and said well there is the proof it's paying out more than it's taken in would YOU have just blindly agreed that to be true? Based on what? I see NOTHING that shows any indication that this is anything but a Ponzi everything about it is looking more and more like a run of the mill Ponzi every day...



I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm NOT mad about anything I wonder what it is about the true believers like yourself that believe just because someone is able to look at something objectively and see things in a "different" light that somehow makes them angry? I think it's a common tact for the believers I just don't follow why.



Exactly, thanks for at least admitting that. Payouts are proof of payouts, nothing more nothing less...



But I would NOT be able to keep or enjoy that money, whether CEP like lawsuits happened or not as soon as this fails and it comes to light that it was always the scam/ponzi that many of us believe all that money would be tainted and made 100% from others, the problem being MANY of them are in this believing all the lies Nick tells.. if everybody was in this knowing it was simply a money shell game so we all were on equal footing that would be quite a different thing..but it's not that way...so sorry that money holds no interest for me.



As stated payments are proof of payments nothing more....



Nate I'll pretend you are seriously asking this question and you want an answer so here goes... I WOULD admit he created something good if there was a SINGLE piece of proof to show that to be the case. Not only is there no proof but NOTHING Nick does matches up with what he says.. his lies just the ones he's been blatantly called on are well known so lets not rehash them.. but just for one minute think about this whole thing some objectivity.

If all the stuff Nick claims is true, why won't/can't he show proof of any of it? But more importantly if his goal was to help all the "little guys" like he claims why only help people online that at least have internet access and computers and most likely are a lot better off that millions of others in the world.. but more than that, why restrict his help to new people via referrals and treat them like mushrooms. I can't come up with a single logical reason why he would not be screaming from the mountaintops in order to help as many people possible on the planet.. you see that is where the whole "nick is a man of charity" line breaks down that is NOT how people that devote their lives to Philanthropy behave.

Of course I'll get roasted again for responding to you or repeating some of the points made above etc... but I have been in the financial game for a long time, I've had winners and losers in my portfolio I've dealt with a lot of fund manages and VC players but NONE of them NOT ONE behaved like Nick does, because REAL multi millionaires do NOT play online HYIPS and MLM's for years and use free webhosts and fail at everything, and they don't announce their new earth shaking ground breaking financial vehicle on the MMG forum (no offense intended)

You forget I spoke to Nick on the phone he was clueless he had no idea about simple financial terms that anybody that was worth a million bucks would know, he was not able to answer a single direct question, but rather he attempted to change the subject and try to baffle me with his little "I'm a good ol boy just helping the needy" line of crap. I've talked to MANY "Nicks" over the years, to be quite honest with you he is not even a very good con man..I mean he knows how to build his little following but a really good con would involve him knowing how to get the big money and really deal on a whole new level but his level of knowledge about finances was so pitiful I ended my phone call with him baffled as to how a soul believed anything he said.. then it struck me as to why he was not going public... he would be ripped to shreds.. instantly

Thanks for the attempt at being civil Nate, you don't have to take my word for it you can and will believe what you want I totally accept that.. but at least have the backbone to discuss the reasons why I believe what I do and the facts and third party info that is out there instead of the novice "He paid" as your entire point of view.

Good luck.

Hi CV, do you spend a lot of your free time on this and other forums hanging in the p-2-p thread quoting others' posts. When I say ( free time ) I assume you have a job and free time is something valuable and is what you prefer to do above all else in this world. Take care

The best I can do is show you this:



Click the bar at the top of the picture to see it full size. Also, if you want to play about with it more, for example swapping out Minvestment or A3Union for other past "programs", use this link:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_...&size=Large

Something strange has happened with the p-2-p figures since Nick changed servers, but the trend is still clear. The message in the picture is that, if we consider the MMG and TG lines to represent the 'size' of the community interested in these types of "programs" at any time, it is not surprising to find that the best even the biggest of them can manage is to grow to meet those lines on the graph.

When these things stop growing they do tend to collapse shortly after. I posit that the above graph shows we're near that maximum point now, and consequently I believe collapse will most likely come before April is over.

Payments are taking at least 15 calendar days right now, so even with the "7 Day Plan" nobody paying in today would expect to see anything back until well into next month. Look at the graph again and decide for yourself what you think the p-2-p line will be doing by then, and contemplate what effect a downturn would have on payments out.

Time will tell of course .

What! You have even added a pretty p-2-p picture to your avatar.

umm, ponzin, are you familiar with https websites and how they do not show up on your alexa graphs?

Yes, 19...they won again!!!!! 2 down, 2 to go!!!! Go HABS go!!!!

*************************************

And just to stay on topic...had an expiry yesterday and another today.

Rolled over most of it!!!! P2P keeps on truckin!!!!

I get the feeling that a lot of p2p members have zero experience with hyip games. They obviously dont question the lies that are told and take everything as face value. They are ripe for the taking from a good con man or even a bad one like Nick. Obviously, some of you have been around for sometime and ironically all of you are in a nice profit position now at the expense of someone elses future loss it appears. Thats something to be proud of now isnt it?

To win at a casino is one thing but to be a winner in a ponzi program that represents itself as a private retirement club is another. The losers dont know the odds are stacked against them especially those that join the program late in its life. All they know is that somebody got paid X amount of money for the last year.

If Nick is such a good human being that is concerned in helping others with his mystery investments why not call or write to the media in his area so they could do a nice story on him and get the word out? We all know why Nick does NOT want this to happen. The authorities would be all over him before the sun goes down and you players that defend him know this. My suggestion is that NIck close the doors up for good and really be a private program that doesnt need to take in new money and that will end the debates we are having.
There is a better chance of an ice cube not melting in hell before this happens and you can take that to the bank. And I dont mean the fictitious energy bank .

Is anybody having second thoughts on Nick really being away on business? Just wondering why it takes two weeks when the majority of issues could be handled by phone and attorneys? Anyone find that strange? Its time to wake up and realize that this is only a dream that is going to come to an end in the near future.

There was me thinking that Casino's only survive and are able to pay out to the winners on the back of the people that lose, and that the odds are stacked heavily against the players. Oh silly naive me.

You lost me a little there but casinos are legal in certain areas. You know the odds when you step in the door. You dont know the odds in the private retirement club. I suggest you do a search for the actual return on investment of some large casinos. You will find that most are in single digits for the entire year. They dont return 60-80 percent per month nor do they do it in a full years time. 60-80 percent returns per month sound like something too good to be true and something that wont last and in all probability illegal on most any part of the globe.

Try all you want to twist it but p2p scream fraud to me.

Thanks for your concern but I always wonder why people like you are so concerned about what others do with their time? Do you question treewhatever and the rest that post endless posts filled with inane icons and graphics?

FYI I am self employed in the financial industry and have been for well over a decade now.. so "mcozy" I am sorry that your typing skills preclude you from posting more than two lines once a day but if you are "invested" with P2P I'd worry more about that than where and when I post... just suggestion.





WOW that post is so beneath you.. and totally lacking in quality vs. your normal stuff...

Do you for ONE second believe that ANYBODY that walks into a Casino does NOT know how the game is played or that the odds are against them?

Do you honestly, I mean honestly not just you trying to be pithy here, but do you honestly believe all the bull that Nick spews...you seem far too smart for that..

I'm sorry if you construed this as a personal attack, it was not intended as such. I merely observed that you have a hatred for Nick and you are willing to use a lot of time to express it.

Nick never said he is investing our money to get 80 % returns. He pays us interest out of the money he makes from his own personal and private portfolio. He does not want everyone to know the details of his portfolio because that is not where our money goes and we need not be concerned about it. Our concern is whether Nick can pay what he promises and so far, his word has been good.




















h

Well you need to stop assuming, I have NO personal hatred of Nick, of what he does and what he is going to do to many people yes.. but "hatred" is a very strong word to be tossing around so lightly.



You are trying to be funny right? YOU give him money, he pays you a return, that is INVESTED... PERIOD.



Actually your bigger concern should in fact be where is the money coming from.. would his word be just as good if you found out factually he was running a Ponzi? Would you just keep you money in there hoping to not be left behind...I somehow doubt it.. so where the money is coming from should actually be important to but of course to each his/her own.

So according to your statement Nick is paying you all out off of the interest that he is making on his money and not yours. I assume he is doing this out of the goodness of his heart.
Based on this statement he really does not need your money but its funny that he is still taking in new members and new money. Something is amiss here.

Did the thought ever cross your mind to ask what he is doing with your money? Oh never mind. You wont get an answer. Those super secret casinos that pay out returns that the top 10 in the world, or any other legal company for that matter, cant come close to reproducing with the brightest business minds in the world. Yet, Nick has somehow found a way. Does that seem a touch odd?

This is a hyip game full of deception and with a little though you will find the stories dont add up to reality.

My point was that Nick does not actually invest our money. Of course we invest it with him but the returns he pays us are not from our money being invested, our money just sits there but Nick pays us large returns from all the money he makes. This is why Nick can guarantee our original money, because it is never at risk, it just sits there. Now I'm sure what I just said can be twisted to somehow claim p2p is a ponzi, because I said our money is not actually invested. However, I am offering honest information and cannot stop you from distorting it.

This simply does not add up. From my understanding, Nick is taking your money and piggy backing it on his investments. Or, at least that is the story he has told.


There are around 15K members and maybe 5K or more are upgraded and to believe a person running a hyip program can pay out interest to that many people and guarantee your principle defies all the logic known to mankind. If it were true have you given any thought to the kind of capital it would require? My goodness, I think you are misinformed about at least the "story" Nick has told. I hope you are not around when the day comes to call in on your guarantee. Nick has stated in public that he would not sign a legal document stating such guarantee. Therefore, it is worthless.

So, How does Nick do it?
How can he be paying 2%, 3% on an investment, thats 600%+ p/a to 15k investors.
What is he getting on his money, and how? where?
If this has been going for a year now, he must own a country somewhere, a successful one.

I don't beleive that even a fistful of casinos would give that kind of return. The BIG picture is that either he has struck the motherload somewhere and really wants to share, or the 15k is a very inflated figure.

.......?




Anybody?

Why is there so much negativity in here, is all of the people that are bashing P2P also bashing every other program on MMG? Can anyone tell me any of the programs on here that gives out as much information that is being asked for? I am not on anyones side, I am just like most people on here that is looking for an opportunity to make money, so if you are not here to help by letting us in on the legitimate stuff then why bother? If you know of some legitimate programs that can give us all the information that you are asking for, let us in on it.

If 15000 people put in $250.00 each (cautious), thats $3.75 million.
If he pays out $15thou to 5000 upgraded clients, That adds up to 75 million.
I still dont understand how it is done. Even if you were money laundering
you would be losing so much.
does anyone know what he is doing for his base capital investment?






Hi Kingnoo, I am also looking at 'cycling' or 'Doubling'. but have not made up my mind yet.
I also read all the negative stuff and it worries me a little. Try not to get involved.
Cheers.

The below is copied directly from the FAQ page.

Who manages the funds I deposit?

All funds that are sent to "P-2-P Network"are managed by us. Since YOUR funds are SIMPLY "piggy-backing" on our own "Personal & Private Portfolio" ..... we really DO NOT need to do anything with YOUR funds unless we so choose / decide to !?! However, in the case where / when we might choose /decide to actually "work" some portion of our "Club" Members' funds, then those funds could quite possibly be spread over our "Portfolio" ..... but ALWAYS managed by us !!

I think you know me better than that.

I was just popping along and saw the casino analogy and found it amusing. here's a poser for you and others because the debate has become somewhat tiresome, as we all know the truth and most people don't care,

Which is the most corrupt & wealthiest organisation in the world, achieving their gains on stories that apparantely occured 2,000 years ago have not ever been proven and have millions of followers, showing blind devotion to the cause.

I hope I didn't lose you too much there, drillbit.

A glass of red wine anyone, or maybe some fish and loaves.

Oh Oh, pick me pick me.. I say..... The Catholic Church???

Hey they are a lot like Nick, depending on what version of the FAQ you read you get a different ending.




Did you actually read this before you posted it? I mean take a second now to read it, I'll wait......................ok, it doesn't actually say a damn thing... read it again.

They don't need to do anything with your funds... but they have already piggy backed them, so they did something... in the case they decide to "work" some of the funds then they could possibly be spread over our portfolio.. but wait a sec they are all being piggy backed... or is that worked...or what the hell does that even mean? Seriously talk to any investment adviser on the planet and see if they can figure out what that double talk it meant to say...

heh..let the topic go where it shall and may.

The hyip world is what it is and is no place for high horses or sermonizing unless you count yourself among the gods in asgard or olympus.

There is a learning curve.

We've all been through it(the veterans at least).

If p2p is a ponzi, what makes the noobs so special to exclude them from the craps table?
The "naysayers" can "educate" them(especially if that is the basis for their intervention), but it is what it is.

We all entered this arena to make money.

I think most of us know it is a gambling den by now.

There will be winners and there will be losers.

That's the way it is.

If anybody would like to "handhold" the noobs and "protect" them from Nick, you are free to do so.

Many will not listen, many will.

For those that won't and willfully take the risk, a learning curve is rite of passage they will have to go through.

I don't think it's any place for bleeding hearts-- bleeding hearts should proceed to their local inner city and volunteer at the soup kitchen.

It would seem to me that that graph and what it presumably shows--that ponzi-type schemes collapse when they run out of pigeons--applies to ponzi schemes, but may not apply to 'legitimate' programs based in some type of outside investment.

I am not pleased that we have been told little about the type of investment, apart from a reference to investment in casinos. I agree that Nick should not be expected to share his specific investments, however he should be willing to discuss the types of investments he is involved with.

As to references to his not investing the money placed in P-2-P, he states clearly that the money is piggybacked on his. For most people this means that your money is being carried along with his and that what he does with his money will also be done with yours. That is what the phrase is usually assumed to mean. I do not mind someone investing my money in the same way he invests his own, assuming that I have confidence in the ability of the individual. However, I do not like the thought that my money could be invested in ventures that I do not approve of. The issue of legality or illegality is not at issue here.

I do not feel able to make any decisions at this point and wish that I had more concrete information on which to base my assessment and decision about this program. Too many generalities and too many assumptions being made by all parties in this forum, just not enough facts.

I dare say there is a shelf life for this "opportunity".

It is the realistic way to view it.

As to when it will end..or all come crumbling down..I am not even going to venture a guess or prediction.


If anybody wants in right now, you are taking a risk.

If you decide to come in, be smart about it and maybe get in with the minimal.