Let us make money first, then we contact the media to write this story

remember to keep notes of this forum, that would be so nice !!

mary

CV, I was not referring to you stirring the pot, what I was referring to was the posts that every one knows that they are not really wanting the info, since it is readily availiable, but they choose to make an inane post as if they really want the info, YEA RIGHT.
That was what I was referring too. You and I both know what the altyerrier motives are, we seen it too many times.
Layton

heh heh... your sense of sarcasm is fully developed I see



Not sure if you're being funny here, but in fact both the national and local media have been contacted... the one thing I know FACTUALLY from that long rambling post from TeamAaron is that a private investigator was hired... I have NOT seen all the details that were found but have been told a few second hand, as I do not have a first hand report I would NOT pass any of it along.

I for one am not worried whether it is legal or not, if I am not worried if it is or not, why should you be worried, since you have nothing involved, so you should not even be worried or not. As for contacting the media, why should I, I am not interested in mass referrals or what ever, why dont you do it, since you have such an un vested interest.


Layton

I have not been in here for a while. I wanted to see what MCF was talking about. Just one question

Why have you come in here screaming about P-2-P when you have not been in here for a long time? OH Maybe you are one of the members or couples that was suspended for many different accounts. (Cheating)

Just a new Fact

I was asked to come in here and inform you that P-2-P has now paid out more than they have brought in - by a large amount. So if this was a pozie - then the money witch is sizable is now coming out of Nick"s pocket. However you made some pretty strong accusations and these post have been screenshot and Nick will take any action he see fit.

He is a real business man and will not put up with these lies. I have a very personal friend who I have known for many years and works behind the scenes at P-2-P and he said that your post has no merit.

Lastly, you talk about we will never see the debit cards - and Nick will pocket the money. What a foolish statement- haven't you seen the new interview with Nick and Kent- OH yeah a scammer too. LOL / anyhow Nick said, HE IS AVERAGING 100,000.00 A DAY IN PAYOUTS and on Feb- 16 paid out over 168000,00 so why would he keep the debit money - chump change if he has a half million or more a week - paying out. My friend is right you do have no Merit.

This Retirement Club will last many years because Nick does have merit.

My main gripe against these programs is that the admins or owners or the first ones in or whatever seem to make out like bandits even when they make "mistakes" ----and the rest of us get screwed like a stray cat over and over. And the ones that made the "mistakes" jump into another "sure thing"----drag another bunch of poor souls behind them----and again the main perps make another killing----make another "mistake"---another program closes--the perps leave with a sackful of money--and the poor souls lose their food money or their rent money or their savings. Despicable

Just posted by Nick,

Hello EVERYONE,

It's Nick here. Just so EVERYONE is aware ..... I AM ALREADY FULLY AWARE of some of the "negative" Posts going on in some of those other "SWAMPS" out there, as one of our Members has already just forwarded an email to our Support email address, that is currently being sent out/circulating to an awful lot of people !!

Again people ..... PLEASE realize/understand that the above mentioned "negative" Posts are ALL from individuals who ARE NOT even Members here, so who cares what they are saying !?! CERTAINLY NOT ME !!!

My suggestion (and that's ALL it is .... simply a suggestion !!), as I simply REFUSE to try & "dictate" to my Members what you should OR should not do, HOWEVER, simply IGNORE what you might read in those OTHER "SWAMPS", as the list of the number of these "SWAMPS" just seems to GROW each & every single day !?!

These individuals are NOT Members here ..... SO WHY SHOULD YOU BE CONCERNED WITH WHAT THEY ARE SAYING !?! Simply IGNORE them, as when our Members attempt to support our Retirement Club and/or respond to these Posts in these other "SWAMPS" ..... that is exactly what they thrive on ..... they simply want to get our Members' attention, and the ONLY individuals that should even bother listening/reading such Posts are the OTHER members within those "SWAMPS" !!

So once again people ..... do as you wish & listen/believe what you want, BUT ALWAYS keep this in mind: How many of our Members are ALREADY in PROFIT ?!? The MAJORITY of our ACTIVE Membership database are ALREADY in PROFIT ..... WE HAVE ALREADY PAID OUT MUCH MORE (hundreds of THOUSANDS of $$$$ !!) THAN WE HAVE ACTUALLY RECEIVED VIA "EXTERNAL DEPOSITS" !!!!!! Even though I have NOT been involved with doing something such as this "ONLINE" ever before ..... from my understanding, "PONZI's" simply DO NOT allow ANY MEMBERS to be in PROFIT !?!

I was even contemplating to possibly open another "thread" where Members who are already in PROFIT can simply Post as such ...... WITHOUT giving out ANY personal information meaning the amounts nor their names, but simply to Post whether or not they are already in PROFIT !?! EVERYONES' "feedback" would GREATLY be appreciated pertaining to the above idea ...... simply let us know your feelings/opinions about this !?! Again, this would simply & ALWAYS be YOUR choice whether or NOT our ACTIVE Members feel this would be a good idea or NOT ...... BUT IT JUST MIGHT MAKE SOME OF THESE "NAYSAYERS" HAVE SOMETHING LESS TO POST IN THESE OTHER "SWAMPS" ..... because then they would have ONE LESS line of "B.S." to Post !?! THEY ARE SIMPLY "JEALOUS" OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE ..... OTHERWISE THEY SIMPLY WOULD NOT BE CONCERNED AND/OR INTERESTED WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING/WORKING ON HERE, & SIMPLY KEEP TRYING TO BRING US DOWN !?!

Again ..... whatever you Members decide with regards to the above mentioned idea, would be COMPLETELY up to YOU !?! OR, we can simply continue to IGNORE the Posts in those OTHER "SWAMPS" & simply let them keep wasting their time with their failing attempts/efforts to bring us down ..... LET THEM SIMPLY "KNOCK THEMSELVES OUT" !?! JUST PERHAPS SOMETHING TO PONDER OVER IN YOUR OWN MINDS ..... ESPECIALLY WHEN THESE OTHER POSTS IN THOSE "SWAMPS" OUT THERE ARE NOT FROM "P-2-P NETWORK" MEMBERS !!!

If you do receive the LATEST email(s) that is/are circulating out there from someone referring to themselves as "TeamAaronSharon" (or something like that ?!) ..... I would STRONGLY suggest to be EXTREMELY cautious when asked to click on ANY links within those emails ..... JUST FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT/PROTECTION !?! This is a VERY COMMON method of "compromising" someone's PC !!!!!

Well people ..... BACK TO WORK NOW !!!!


"P-2-P NETWORK" ..... INVEST (your time & efforts) WITH THE BEST !!!

"P-2-P ENERGY BANK" ..... COMING VERY, VERY SOON !!!


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Sincerely ..... YOUR Future Partner(s) in $UCCE$$,

Nick & Dianne & Staff


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Nicholas (Nick) Smirnow - CEO
P-2-P Network - Program Founder
http://simurl.com/admin
support@pathway-2-prosperity.net
1-866-P2P-2968 (Toll Free) or simply 1-866-727-2968
801-795-7976 (Business Voicemail)

I really do have to ask what point you are trying to make by C&P that post over here, that will only add to the contraversy here, it definately did not help.

Layton

I for one am not to happy with MMG being called "a swamp". Thanks, Layton for being honest over there. Also, MMG is a place for respectful open discussion about programs. We do not just allow program supporters to "rule" a thread. Likewise, people who are against a program are allowed to post their opinions. As long as discussion is respectful with no personal attacks, foul language etc..etc.

For him to call MMG swamp on a forum that basically cloned MMG is really unprofessional, imo

Yoda,
MMG Promoter

"""""""""""""""""""""So once again people ..... do as you wish & listen/believe what you want, BUT ALWAYS keep this in mind: How many of our Members are ALREADY in PROFIT ?!? The MAJORITY of our ACTIVE Membership database are ALREADY in PROFIT ..... WE HAVE ALREADY PAID OUT MUCH MORE (hundreds of THOUSANDS of $$$$ !!) THAN WE HAVE ACTUALLY RECEIVED VIA "EXTERNAL DEPOSITS" !!!!!! Even though I have NOT been involved with doing something such as this "ONLINE" ever before ..... from my understanding, "PONZI's" simply DO NOT allow ANY MEMBERS to be in PROFIT !?!''""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

Never done something like this online before? ReallY? I did not know that.................
Ponzis do not allow ANY MEMBERS to be in profit? NONE? I did not know that either.....

Thanks Yoda, it is just that I did take exception with the name calling of MMG, and then for it to be C&P over here, I just could not see a useful purpose of it, I use this for what it was put here for, a discussion of various programs, not a p***ing match, over the last years it has never failed in the purpose of being here.

Layton

Well I guess you learned something new today...hehehe

He did not call MMG a swamp, he did not write it or ask to have that email posted here at all. People copy and paste things were then they get taken with the wrong inpression.
And another thing - it's not that people are Just commenting to the flip side of possablitys here on this program BUT have in fact stated they were going to, AND HAVE allready contected OSC and the SEC in order to try to shut the program down. I will surelly lose my money if this is the efforts of MMG and it's members.
It's one thing to discuss both sides of the possablity of any such programs BUT it's compitelly differnet thing when post claim they are contecting offices such as the OSC and the SEC in order to save others.
And 3rd just becuese these offices say it's illiegel dostnt make it so. the gov. only says it's illegel becuese there not able to tax and control most of the money being made here. Take CEP for exsample it payed members every day for ever day it was open to members Only reason they did not was becuese of the SEC. and the SEC was only interested in the TAX and control of the money to line there own pockets. THATS the american way. This program has payed for over a year and i believe will contiune to pay it's members so long as the controling SEC, OSC - (GOV) keeps there GREEDY hands off it.
And last P-2-P is not in the USA , Which means the SEC cant touch it. (The SEC is NOT a US GOV> OFFICE). it is a privitly owned company.

Sorry, I'm a newbie here. Could someone please tell me how he/she know if this program is legitimate and real and won't scam? I want to invest quite a sum of money, but I'm doing my DD first.

Hope some people would be happy to answer.

Thanks!!!!

First, let me say i am a member of P2P and happy with their performance so far, and i truly hope and pray that it is able to continue to succeed and prosper for years to come, as it is helping out so many people.

But with recent events and developments that have taken place, it has given me some reason for concern.
Why would Nick see the need to refute or comment on the latest negative postings on other forums, i mean if he is doing everthing legitimately and honestly making those returns from investments, and has his operations covered legally, then why even bother to be even seen to be concerned with what others post in other forums.
Should he not just completely ignore those negative posts and posters and let the results and longevity of his program speak for itself, i would have thought that would be the way to go for him.

Unless of course he is trying to calm folks down and not let them get nervous and start a run on the bank with withdrawals, and also not to deter other prospective members from joining.
And, if this is his concern, then he must surely be relying on new members, and no big rush on withdrawals to continue operating.
I sincerely hope this is not the case, but it does make one think a little about his reasoning behind been so concerned with what others have to say about his program.

Also, i was not that impressed with his latest interview with Kent at MCF, he really did not reveal anything new, or shed any more light on either his investments or how he is set up legally.
He sort of just went over the same old stuff, and as an earlier post said, sort of hyped all sorts of things to make his program seem more credibile.
Thats what jumped out at me anyway after reading that transcript, oh i understand if all he says is true, then is is just wonderfull and much to be excited about, but sometimes i get a certain feeling after reading those interviews, and i have to say it was not a very comforting feeling to be very honest.

As i say i hope this lasts for at least another year, as i surely need it as well, and i am neither a cheerleader nor a naysayer for this program, but just sharing my observations and feelings as of now.

I'm glad to see a good constructive discussion here both the pro's and cons, and if i have learned anything from the past it is, if you strictly limit yourself to just the programs forum you can be very blinkered and blinded and led to believe so much.

I do believe the next month or so will be the test and telling if this program is able to withstand the pressures and forces out there, and be able to show to the world that it is indeed legitimate and doing what they say, if it does come through then there should be nothing but respect and admiration for Nick, as results are what count, and not negative postings.

Very strange things happened here. I'm not going to argue with someone about P2P, I just wish to say I see here something more than just a dispute.. Someone has a very good reason to "settle a score" with Nick. Or I'm blind and the only one who see that?

I am in agreement with this principle.

I am just wary of team aaron and shara as many are.



I do understand why a lot of "thinking" detractors are in this thread like bees are to honey--it is because of the "fishing for referrals" factor.

Then again, there are others who just find it exhilarating to argue(been there).

There is another category who just want to genuinely save the "wretched deluded" from throwing their money away.

Then, others who harbor an even darker agenda.



I do agree also with wwind.

It's a nasty unforgiveable arena.

And you just don't know who to trust..


I'm riding this until as is claimed(as fact)--it all goes crashing down with Canadian authorities.




Listening to both sides..I believe the jury's still out.

But depending on who you tend to believe more in this thread--eithe the pros or antis..should determine further action on your part whether to spend or not.


Simple..when in doubt...DON'T!





If we're talking in general terms, I wouldn't if I were you.

This arena is cruel.

Hi Surf,
I missed and put back my original avatar.
I don't want to argue with anyone either. Since I started to join and played with all the programs here since 2005-6, not one program is still here now.
Why bother to argue, it will only give me headaches thinking of all these opinions.
99.9999% of online programs are scams. Many people arguing here are admins before who also scammed many people before. and some are conceited stuxxxpd idxxts with personal vendetta to some admins and personal interest and who'll only bring you down to their low life levels.
I only Invested what I can afford to loose, Thanks myself if I earned and forget about the loses. PERIOD. and play again.
Games.

I bid you all farewell peoples, I have taken my leave of many a forum of late due to negative environments and slander...My parting comments are the truth well be made known...I find it very strange that since Nick the Founder of P2P has removed the many methods by which to use mass referring systems, all of sudden there is an unprecedented assault on his good name and what he offers here.

When ever list owners come out with such long winded reports, this motive (alarms me) I question, because list owners thrive on the ability to recruit and build their networks. I well continue to put my trust in Nick of P2P, because any man who is worth his weight in gold will in due course take appropriate procedures to defend his good name to a degree, but at same time not allowing it to detract from his focus of proving his self worth to people who continue to put their trust in what he has graciously put before them.

I m sorry but I know longer feel this is a place I wish to congregate in, though I do hope you all reach your own personal comfort levels and allow your own conscience to motivate you in the direction that best suits each of you.

Goodbye and good health
Sanctuary

what a spirit...

anyway this is the name of the game...

Hi 'Pogi',

Thank you...BOW.

I saved your link below your siggy. will contact you after I got my BIG NICE PAYOUTS from P2P later. (mga anim na buwan pa siguro pare, lol).
Helping kids, a child one after the other is what I am planning to do, especially the sick infants.

BTW, to all the critics and naysayers of P2P, TO HELL WITH YOU ALL.

Good Day/Evening to all MMG members. GOOD BYE.

It does not raise red flags to you that a man that claims he is operating totally within the law would take the amount of time it took to write that attacking and defensive email instead of just offering up proof that he is legal? Obviously he can't offer that proof as has been posted many times. There is NOTHING wrong with YOU or anybody else playing this game and spending your own money where you see fit, but it is only FAIR that the FACTS about it's legality are known...



Then you should NOT be investing more than you can afford to lose and you should not be investing in something that is operating illegally then you won't have as much to worry about. Yes of course legally run and operated companies go out of business to, but at least your odds are better.



Well that is their right, as it's your right to invest your risk capital where you want, other people when doing their DD on a program such as this and find out it's NOT legal they often feel a moral obligation to report it... such is life..



Yes in fact that DOES make it illegal. You do NOT get to pick and choose which laws you are going to follow. If you live in a country where this type of investment is illegal you get involved knowing the risks. You can't say well I don't agree with this law because of such and such... so I guess if you are caught speeding you'll just not pay the ticket because you don't need the gov't to tell you how fast to drive.. or if you get mad enough at someone you'll go kill them because you don't need the gov't to tell you how you can respond to your anger? Simple fact why ever you think something is legal or not, you don't get to choose what laws to follow. If you feel strongly enough then you simply work within the framework of your gov't to have those laws changed.



Now you are just being silly, CEP has already been proven to have had NO outside income, the entire thing was a Ponzi and was caving in on itself already.. it was NEVER going to last. Just read the court documents and the statements of those that ran it...



Yes there are people like you that will continue to believe that but in fact no matter what anybody else does this program will last as long as it's legal and able to. If Nick was doing everything he says and everything is all above board please explain why he simply doesn't register his company and be done with it? There is no answer that can explain this simple fact away.



please tell me you're joking ANY company that offers investments of ANY kind to US citizens NO MATTER where in the world they are located MUST register with the SEC. Please don't take my word for it, simply read the SEC webpage located here http://www.sec.gov/about/laws.shtml it very clearly shows that P2P does NOT meet the required criteria to be exempt from being registered.





Nick will take no action because he is running an illegal investment business.. and more so you have NO PROOF that he has paid out more than he has taken in you are simply assuming that to be true because Nick says so... if you don't have proof please don't post claims you can't back up. It really weakens your stance.



Well then please ask your friend why Nick is not registered to legally do business in the country in which he is operating? Nick will always put up with these lies because there is NO lie being told, he can not disprove anything said... please have him post up his BRN so we can see how legal he is.



Nick has said a great many things, but so far I've yet to see proof of any of them... like I said Nick can get on his little hobby horse with Kent and say whatever he wants, but he has yet to prove a thing... you sound like a well meaning guy and I don't doubt your honest belief in what you say, but the fact is NOTHING that Nick has ever said has been proven, from his investments to his being "cleared" by the SEC and OSC to his payout sizes.. etc..etc...

Ask yourself the simple question if none of the stuff said by the 'naysayers' was true was does Nick care? Why does he spend ONE second of his life replying to their posts? If he really doesn't need any new money to come in, why not shut down totally to new members go to a members only password protected forum and never speak in public again? Or if he wants to continue taking in new members and helping MORE people as you all claim why not register and become legal? Sorry but nothing about him or his stories add up in the real world.

To all the naysayers in this forum, I can only say one thing.

I started online surfing and HYIP's in 2005. I followed MMG and one other forum (hi jake). I lost over $100,000 during the first 2 years in the scams that these forums and their members promoted.

Nearly one year ago, I found Kent's forum and P2P. I have not lost one nickel since. I am well in profit in P2P, as are all of my friends that I have brought in to P2P. I only have 8 active referrals and I have given more than a dozen referrals to other members of my downline that don't recruit very well. This was done to assist some of the less financially able, to grow their accounts a little faster.

Nick has kept every promise he has made to his members. Not one of you in here has earned that kind of credibility.

I can only feel sorry for those of you who are so blinded by negativity and misery that you will miss the opportunity that Nick has given us.

Sadly, your negative comments will also deter some of the people who need Nick's program the most. Many of you naysayers have, in the past, promoted the heck out of the many programs that fill the scam folder here at MMG. You have cost countless people many thousands of dollars.

Now there is a program, P2P, that can make these people whole again, and you people want to tear it down.

It is your character that is defined by your greedy, spiteful actions.

Nick's character is defined by his honesty to his members, his keeping of promises, his overcoming of obstacles for the benefit of his members, and most of all his always paying his members.

I truly pity you naysayers. More importantly, I pity those people that may listen to you. People who really need a program like P2P.

I can only hope that those people who need P2P, will go to Kent's forum and learn the TRUTH

Ron

this is the best I ever read in here so far

mary

moutain56 can you tell me where to find Ken's fourm? I have not posted enough to send you a pm.
Thanks!

First off, lets not insinuate that my cash forum is the answer to everyones prayers. I just counted 331 confirmed scams over there. Furthermore, the owner has run his own sites as well and admitted to having more than one identity. Auto surf monitors in general are not to be trusted in my opinion. The possibly exist for under the table pay offs that the average person never will know about.

I have to agree with others that he felt like he had to say something. If everything was on the up and up why would he even bother to waste his breath? I think he is getting nervous and I think the so called investors are going to pull way back in light recent events. That is if they have time to get out.

I dont need a sermon from somebody that brags about making money at the expense of others. The true character of some of you cheerleaders and Nick will be coming out in the following days for all to see. Nobody needs a program based on nothing but words. If its all Nick says it is then just show us the documentation. He cant and wont because its logical to assume it does not exist. Just remember, the naysayers cant destroy a legal program. If you really believe everything Nick has said then you have nothing to worry about.

Actually you said a lot more than one thing, but why quibble... YOUR character is ALSO defined by what you do. So let's visit your comments shall we.



I don't think any of the "naysayers" are asking you to believe the, they are asking you if you are feeling morally bound to abide by the LAWS in your country? If you live in Canada or the US you are breaking the law by investing in this program. If that does not bother you well then than speaks volumes about YOUR character.. you don't need to take my word or anyone else's for it.. simply make a few phone calls..



Interesting how cheerleaders like yourself try to turn honest factual information and call it negativity... I am sure there are some people trying to tear Nick down for their own causes.. I couldn't care less.. I simply think it's important that people know by investing with Nick when he comes crashing down they could end up like all the CEP people that had lawsuits filed against them and tax penalties assessed... its very important that everybody go into this with their eyes wide open... very odd how you would think that is being negative.



I'm sure you are right that is NOT the case with me... quite the opposite in fact, but I'm not here about me...



No again you are missing the ONLY thing that matters, if Nick is as wonderful as you say and everything about his program is on the up and up, why won't he prove he's legal? He can say it until the cows come home, but it's a simple thing to prove.. the fact that he continues to not be able to should speak volumes to you.. the fact that it doesn't concern you is again a comment on your character.. not mine.

Remember I am NOT saying this program is not operating as promised.. it is... but why risk that continuing why not just register his company?? I haven't heard an answer to that yet from any of the "cheerleaders" yourself included... do you have an answer?



Well I would say that anybody that takes money in a program that they know is operating illegally shouldn't be speaking poorly of any other person's character.. but it is a pretty sad state of the world when a program that has NEVER shown one iota of proof to be operating legally has it's supporters coming into a public forum and talking down to people simply trying to make sure both sides of the story are known.



That's ok I pity you and anybody else that is caught in this mess when it collapses.. I will take no pleasure in that.. but I do hope those in charge get what they deserve...



There is NO truth to be had at that forum, it's censorship at it's worse.. so at least now you are showing your true colors, you are only interested in being told what you want to hear instead of the whole story..

good luck to you... just try to not to take it too hard when this thing crumbles and some of the less mature "naysayers" come back for all their "I told you so" comments...

I never worry when it comes to Nick and P2P. I am nearly maxed out and I have been paid consistently for one year. I am well in profit. I have also given several starter accounts to people who were referrals of mine in other programs that were scams. All of them are also well in profit even after adding in funds of their own. btw all of them are referrals that I have given away to others that don't recruit so well, so I do not make any money from them.

As I stated before, I worry about all the people that really need P2P, who won't join because of the unsubstantiated rumors and downright lies being foisted upon them by certain known scammers in this and other forums.

I am sure that Nick feels the same way. He would like nothing more than to help these people that need it, and you are keeping them from ever getting ahead.

Simply put, P2P works.

People like you have been saying for months and months that we members should -
"look out. The end is near. He's about to get arrested. The govt. is about to close him down. he won't pay. He's a scammer. He can't possibly pay out these profits any longer, that's why he got a little behind".

Well you're still saying it, and Nick is still paying. In fact he is paying more than ever.

I wonder who has earned more credibility.

Like I said, when it comes to Nick and P2P, I NEVER WORRY

btw, I deleted the rest of your quote because I never argue with made up "facts". I guess when you are on the losing side of an argument you have to resort to "making up the "facts" as you go".

Ron

AngieK the link to the MCF Forum is on the P2P home page on the left hand side about 1/3 the way down. It is a blue box that says MCF

For those reading along at home this is a known tactic among the true believers that can't answer direct questions so they resort to calling facts lies and rumors.

So Mr. Mountain.. the Ontario Government where Nick lives and operates his business says he is operating illegally are saying THEY are lying?? Direct question.. simply answer.. yes or no?



If Nick feels the same way why not register his business?



Like I said, simple question is this business legal or not? Yes or no? Why oh why do all the cheerleaders go on and on about things but refuse to answer simple direct questions... so YOU are saying the Canadian and American governments are lying and Nick telling the truth... wow that's quite a claim... that is what you're saying right? Hard to tell as all you do is preach without answering the direct questions before you.

I think it would be a very telling answer about YOUR character if you are NOT concerned with both being involved in an illegal program as well as getting others involved... you seem to be so big on character why don't we learn a bit about yours.... or do you pick and choose what laws YOU feel are worthy of being followed?

Here is a novel idea Mountain if you really care about a handful of people raising some simple concerns. How about you ask Nick to take out say a half page ad in USA Today newspaper advertising this wonderful program?
He is a millionaire after all and the expense should not be a factor. I bet even you members that have made big profits would even chip in to help out with the cost of the add. Lets really get the word out and then some ambitious investigative reporter will get the story and rip them to shreds. What do you think?

I understand I need to be referred to P2P to be a member.

Would someone please send me a PM with his/her referral link that I can sign up?

Thanks.

I am reading this forum since a while and I still think P2P is great. I would be happy to join.

I know you know it but you're wasting your breath, (virtually speaking) just as I am. The true believers don't care about facts..it's just something they say matters until you point them to it, then they pick and choose what to respond to or not. There are very few like Layton around who is a straight shooter...

They scream there is no proof this program isn't legal, offer them the phone numbers and suddenly they reject the gov't right to pass laws... oddly enough I bet if someone broke into their house and took everything they owned they would suddenly feel that break and enter and trespass laws ARE valid... it's all about perception.. in their minds all they see right now is that P2P is paying and has paid for some time everything else doesn't matter... which is a very sad commentary on not only society but their personal value system...

Either way, it will be what it will be.. I will be very interested to see how some of the stuff going on behind the scenes pans out...

I called my brother-in-law in Toronto. He said that out of the myriad alphabet organizations that he called not even one of them claimed to have an open investigation into Nicholas Smirnow. Not one.
He was also told that if there were an open investigation, that it would be against the law for them to say so.
If the investigation were already closed and there was believed to be a crime committed, there would be charges brought and the person charged would not be allowed to continue their business.

Sounds to me like the Ontario authorities are calling YOU the liar.



As what and under what laws? yours? Nick's lawyers say he is legal under Canadian law, just the way he is currently structured. When you have legal advisors, you listen to them. I certainly wouldn't listen to you, what do you know about the law?



YES!!



No. The American and Canadian governments haven't said a thing. Only you have. Where is your PROOF?? Exactly who told you that Nick is definitely operating illegally?? I want a name and position and a department, so I can call them directly. But you wont give that info will you?? Maybe we can have them brought up on charges for violating the privacy or libel laws?? As the person said above, giving that information out to the public before the investigation is complete is illegal Who's picking and choosing what laws to obey now?? Who is lying now??



Wrong!!



I have answered every one. Now who's dodging.



These are the same arguements that you and others have been making for the last 9 months.

So far you have all been WRONG!! Nick is still here, still doing business, and still paying. No government bogeymen have closed P2P down.

You wouldn't know a "FACT" if it bit you on the backside.

Have a nice day anyway.

Ron

btw drillbit I didn't forget you. I just refuse to have a battle of wits, with an unarmed man.

Goodbye all....for good

PS. withallmyheartandsoul my link is in my signature but please come to MCF Forum and get the details before joining.

thats telling him Mountain.

P-2-P

Thank you, you have now proven that you are ALSO either a fool or a liar.. please follow along



You silly silly man... I assume you are a man... The ONLY one that matters for this purpose is the OSC. I will quote you from their website to start...

When should you call? Here are some examples:

• You’re considering making a new type of investment, and have questions.
• You’ve been offered an investment that seems suspicious, and would like to research it further.
• You’re in the process of choosing or working with a new financial adviser, and would like to check their qualifications.
• You’re concerned that something has gone wrong with an investment, and aren’t sure where to go for help.

So for the person that asked about P2P number one clearly applies, you are considering a new investment...



True as well as with all cheerleaders I notice how you failed to mention ONE very very big point... if there IS an investigation they can NOT talk about, if they have investigated and it was a closed investigation they would have either brought charges or the person would have been cleared...

So that means either Nick has been cleared as he claims... or they are still investigating which is why they can't comment... funny how you didn't mention that little detail. Just like a cheerleader, don't let the facts get in your way...

IF Nick had been investigated and CLEARED as he claims that would be part of the public record now... so please do point me to the case number and show that Nick was cleared of any wrong doing.. what's that you can't? huh.. imagine that...



I guess in your little world.. so you're telling me YOUR brother in law phoned the OSC and they confirmed that Nick was doing business legally??? That sir is a lie.. I defy you to prove otherwise... which you and I both know you can't.

Nobody is asking you to listen to me.. why don't you phone the Ontario gov't oh right right, you don't care about facts as long as you get your greedy little paws on the cash... well you tried to get it right.. so now how about have your brother in law phone the OSC and ask if Nick or P2P are registered to do business in Ontario... that's who's laws? Or better yet how about you forward us Nick's lawyers name so we can talk to them to confirm the legality of this business??? Ummm yeah just like I thought...



It has been posted many many times, you don't want proof, because you won't accept proof.. phone the SEC phone the OSC, outline what Nick is doing ask them if he needs to be registered.. then ask them if he is.. POOF there is your proof.

I've given that info lots of times.. here ya go... call away.. we both know you won't

Denis Donnelly
Lead Inquiries Officer
Ontario Securities Commission
inquiries@osc.gov.on.ca
(416) 593-8314
1-877-785-1555



You need to brush up on your reading skills. Nobody said there was an active investigation into Nick we simply say he is NOT operating legally. Don't take my word for it, phone the gentleman above, describe for him what P2P is doing as a business and ask him if they need to be registered... THEY DO.. ask him if they are, THEY ARE NOT. There are no privacy or libel laws in question here, if Nick was operating legally he would be registered with the OSC as he is offering investments.. doesn't matter if he calls them piggy backing or whatever it is.. he is offering an investment to the public, hence he needs to be registered.



Dodging what? You just asked the questions and I have just answered everyone of them including your confusion about legal vs. open investigation.



I hope you won't mind when we come back and requote that comment to you?



Please explain to me with credible third party verification like I have done above what facts I have gotten wrong?

1. Does Nick need to be registered, according the OSC YES
2. Is he.. according to the OSC - NO
3. Is there an open investigation, who knows, never said there was.
4. Am I asking you take my word for it (or your brother in laws) NO- gov't official contact info posted...



I suggest you brush on your reading skills before attempting to take on Drillbit,



Oh goody another cheerleader running back to the censored MCF where everybody can tell each other how great they are and not to worry about silly things like being in an illegal investment... I mean who cares right, they're paying??? :diablo:

Withallmyheart please contact YOUR local authorities and ask if the business being offered on that website is legal where you live.. don't get caught not knowing the REAL facts not the P2P cheerleader made up ones.

Layton, this is the second time you have attacked me for no reason! I am not stiring the pot as you call it.

This is the first time I have posted and asked for a phone number. Layton check the post because you are always on this forum and that is your business.

I talked with my friend yesterday that is in P2P. He came to my house and he wanted me to help him find a phone for Canada. I refuse to put his name in this forum because someone will want to kick him too!

This will be my fourth post I think in P2P. Check it for yourself.

evkint thank you so much for the phone number I have already passed it on to my friend.

I doing my DD. Layton, here is one more piece of information my friend has talked with you on the phone about P2P! You tell everyone to do their DD and when I try to perform my DD you start attacking me. Others have posted some bad stuff here about P2P. Most of them you don't even say anything about. I do not care to go through pages and pages of post to find a phone number. evkint, offered to give the phone and and I asked for it. No Big Deal.

I do not know if P2P is legal or not!! If it is legal I would to invest money in P2P. It is as simply as that!

Donnie

Telling him what? That Mountain can neither read or understand english... btw pumpkinhead.. or do you prefer to be called kingdiamond it's just so hard to keep track of all the names you cheerleaders use from forum to forum... anytime you have something of value just jump in, like some business registration numbers, or case file number anything that can show a single word Nick has said is true...

So can someone please give me the name of Nick's lawyer? I'm sure as he is saying this legal guru told him all is legal he would not have any issue with going on the public record saying so... anyone???



Donnie, in Layton's defense there are a lot of posts in here on a regular basis and he could just be mixing you up with someone else.. he is generally a very level headed guy...

I also agree with Donnie 100% if I could find ANYTHING any scrap at all to indicate this thing was legal I would be in there in a flash... but so far nobody is offering anything in the way of proof just a bunch of "nick said" statements while in the meantime my gov't is telling me he needs to be registered and he's not so I have to stay away until I can get some valid proof from someone.. I wonder why nobody has any....

dear cvkint, could you tell me where i can read that CEP has been proved a ponzi. Also can you tell me how p2p is a ponzi. for me i cannot tell you that it is not a ponzi.

Donnie, sorry if you thought I was attacking you, I did not think I was, if I was,I apoligise. I thought it was you that had asked before for the number and I said the easiestr way was to do a google search for it instead of waiting for it to be posted once again. The thing about it is basicaly either you believe in it or you dont, if you believe it, you will join no matter,if you dont you wont no matter what is said on both sides. As fir your friend, if he/dhe is vested in the program, then whether they have th faith now or not, it is really moot, unless their plan is mature, there is nothing to really be done until it dies mature, then they have the choice to pull or roll, if they pull, they have to get in line, then they might get it before it shuts down as a lot think it will in the near future.

Laytin

cvkint, Thank you again for offering the phone number for OSC and giving it to me. My friend will appreciate this information. We are good friends and we look out for each other. He has been in P2P for a while. Both of us have been in programs together in the pass years. I have found only one program that is legal.

I want to post this one more time. If P2P is legal I have money waiting to invest in it! I do not want to gamble with my money anymore.

Donnie

The best all in one place to find out everything about the charges the lawsuits etc.. is at the official receivers site.. please go here http://www.wfperkinsforcep.com/ and read to your heart's content.. there is a ton of stuff there but you'll find what you're looking for. It is also very scary to see all the lawsuits there against people that were in profit now being sued to get it back.



You see this is where I'm trying to make people understand I have NO PROOF at all that P2P is a Ponzi, never claimed I did. I BELIEVE it is one, but that is my personal belief and holds no weight for anyone but me, nor should it.

Just as you state you can't prove it is not one, thank you for being honest.

The bottom line is people have to do what is right for them, for me I can't put my money into something that I know to be running illegally. As I've said to Layton I fully acknowledge that the program is running exactly as promised but so do lots of other illegal enterprises.

I realize people see it as a victim less crime, but the point remains IF this fails and IF it turns out to be a Ponzi that will mean that every penny you got you received from a criminal activity.. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that was possible.. so until Nick or his lawyer can show me some sort of proof he is operating legally and proof both the Canadian and US governments wrong I will have to pass and continue to inform others.

Boy I sure wish it was legal, 60% a month..damn I'd be all over that..

Not to belabor but, so there really is no conclusive evidence of P2P as being a ponzi..though the strong possibility is there.



Don't you mean "when"? Not trying to be funny, understand..just for clarification.

Others here that have posted that P2P's demise is imminent and have passed it on seemingly as fact.




that means, if I may be so bold, that just about everyone who has posted in this thread pro and anti are guilty. Not to mention everyone from MMG to TG to MCF to hyipranks to etc etc



What I mean is..just about everyone who has been or is currently involved in one way or another, either spending, owning, or promoting a particular program--due to the possibility that they were ponzis?

..or for that matter--after the fact--were deemed ponzis?

I have been reading the posts here with respect to P2P. I have many things to say, but I will reserve commentary for a little while longer.

On another note, since you referenced CEP, in as far as your inquiry as to where you can read that CEP has been proved to be a ponzi, please be advised that the matter is set for trial on 4/1/08. I have included a link. This is a civil trial which will lay the foundation for a criminal cases. The results of this trial, if the Plaintiff is successful, will give the Receiver the legal authority to pursue any and all legal avenues afforded to him to collect on the Judgments.

Although there are countless, ridiculous assertions (including that the Federal Judge in these cases is corrupt and the cases were decided before the trial) as to why the Plaintiff in this trial will be successful, any person who understands the law, will agree that the Plaintiff will win on this matter. There is NO WAY this will be proven anything other than an Ponzi Scheme.

http://download.yousendit.com/3F48432A5CB6B4D1

I agree, which is why I said I "believe" but that is not proof. I have to hold myself to the same standard I do others when providing info.



I don't know that I can say when, I "believe" it is when.. but like I've said all along I have no proof that Nick is really doing what he says.. ONLY PROOF that how he is doing it right now is illegal..



Yuppers... you go that right... oddly enough it doesn't seem to bother most people as long as they are making money... but like with everything we each must make choices that are morally right for us. I too in the past go involved in a couple of program like this, once it collapsed and I discovered why I never bothered again.. I now require proof of legality and of actual income generation besides new money you'd be amazed how quickly that narrows the field hahaha...

Thanks for your reply cv.

It is refreshing..although it seems it stems(correct me if I'm wrong) from the school of thought that
" everything in the arena is 100% ponzi" (though others may disagree claiming that there are gems hidden about if and when you encounter them).

I kind of think that's what motivates many to treat everything in the arena as a game.

dear cvkint, Could you also tell me as what you want to achive here. Paying 60% per month is not an easy job. Here a members comes in profit after just 2 months. Just imagine how many members must be in the profit till today.

He is paying all members, to first month, second month and all months members. Just do some calculations and see how a ponzi can pay its members clockwise for more than 1 year.

also what people like you want to prove to all of p2p members. Do you think there are legitimate HYIP at this moment. We all are adults and know all the risks there.

we do not need any learning in this field.

please do not mind this post personally.

I believe you simply can't go wrong assuming they are all games. I use a pretty straight forward set of rules,

1. Referrals? Skip it.....
2. Only accept ecurrencies? Skip it....
3. No phone number, address or wire transfer in the company name? Skip it.....
4. Open to the general public with NO screening at all of new members? Skip it.....
5. Offer a fixed rate of return multiple times greater than bank rates? Skip it.....
6. Pay daily, weekly? Skip it...

Does that mean all programs that follow the above are scams? No of course not, but I'd venture to say that the vast majority of them are... I would rather be safe than sorry.







Offering up facts as asked for and making sure that all the lies and unproven stories are not left alone and to be accepted as fact by people that are new to the game. I simply want to make sure anyone that stumbles across this thread doesn't by into the nonsense then if this thing fails they find themselves on the wrong end of a lawsuit that could have been avoided with a couple of phone calls..



Problem is you don't know how many he has or hasn't paid, only the ones you can talk to and the ones that post... as long as he keeps all the info a big secret nobody knows for sure...



Again you are getting off track, did I say he was not paying members? Nope.. I merely said he is running an illegal business.. if that is OK with you go for it.. if it's OK for anyone else reading then go for it.. but SOME people do care about that..so it's important we make sure they a