Hi Everyone* i just emailed the newscast link* to someone but in my sent mail the link doesn,t work and i have it correct! Can someone* try and email the link and kindly post the result
QUOTE(cvkint @ Mar 8 2008, 03:14 AM) [snapback]4734730[/snapback]
Boy I can't believe we are going over this same old ground again. The P2P business model is Illegal in Canada. Call the Ministry of Consumer and Corporate Affairs in Ottawa, in order to receive money and return it with a profit with NO tangible product being exchanged that is by definition an "investment" it doesn't matter what Nick calls or how he tries to word it, retirement club, or pig in a poke.
As for your comments above OF COURSE the money is being invested.. it's being invested with Nick. If YOUR money is being "piggy backed" on his investments as he states then YOUR money is invested.. but this all moot anyway.. bottom line in Canada if NO tangible goods change hands for the profit to have been received it is investment income it can't be investment income unless you've invested...
I have posted this in other places those that CARE about being legal will act upon it, those that don't won't..so be it.. its each person's right to do what they wish with their own money.
1. Call the Ministry stated above, outline for them a business model using P2P as an example, you don't have to give their name. Ask them if that business would need to be registered to sell securities or investments etc..etc...
2. Now call the OSC and ask them if Nick or P2P is registered... they are not.
3. Now call the RCMP and ask if Item 1 was needed and after called Item 2 you found they didn't have it, is that business operating legally?
POOF now you know.. don't take my word for it, don't take the "I Got Paid" crowds word for it.. them being paid does NOT make a business legal or not.. it's simply being paid.. DO YOUR OWN research.. base it on FACTS not third party information.. once you've done that then you can decided to invest or not.. Money transmitters need to be licensed in whatever state they receive or send payments.. private payment programs as you state above do not require that license. Whether they require a different one or not is up to each state. Even Paypal is not required to have a license in all states.. so you've have to check your home state to see what if any licensing they would require.. being located off shore does NOT negate that requirement if they are doing business with US citizens of that state. You'd think wouldn't you? but you're right you'll not find anything about him doesn't that kinda answer your question for you? You realize the irony of what normally brings down a program like this is the members, the ones that rant and rave about how anyone that doesn't believe is this that or the other and they go on and on and make all sorts of wild claims etc.. etc.. then sooner or later someone in a position of authority takes note and poof goes the golden goose... which is likely what will happen in this case as well. It is amazing to me the lengths some people will go to defend something that they have never fully and legally checked out personally, but rather a friend of their brother's aunt's dog told them about it.. it is quite a study in human nature. I can bet you if you asked Nick he would be very clear that he wished all promoters of this thing would behave like you, the quiet this is MY personal experience only and none of the raving about Nick is this and Nick owns that and etc..etc..etc... all those spotlights are NOT what he or any program wants or needs UNLESS they need new money.. common sense should win out, but sadly it seldom does.
Good* Day Cvkint, You are right it is a investment* in a retirement club*
manosteel
Mar 8 2008, 04:36 PM
QUOTE(drillbit @ Mar 9 2008, 12:21 AM) [snapback]4735275[/snapback]
I found the interview to be laughable at best. I guess I have been around too long and have seen and heard it all. Nick is not even original. Just what everybody needs is another unlicensed payment processor. This is simply a ploy to control money on a screen and give more excuses for the late payments. P2P has already been reported by some at Talk Gold to the OSC and I dont doubt the SEC. Just how confident does this make you?
What I find somewhat shocking is that the MMG group here seems to understand the risk and even those that participate say its a gamble at best. I dont see to many people saying to bet the farm here when no proof exists of any claims made by p2p. The obvious conclusion is that this a ponzi based program that is right now grasping for the last big push. When it will end unknown but it will end whether the authorities shut them down or they just run out of money.
I find it amazing that people could believe otherwise especially those that have been around a while. Of course I understand your position to try to keep the illusion alive without ruining your reputation in the hyip community. Its all so obvious to me. Stand by because p2p is coming down soon. Just how much risk are you willing to take at this time?
This is worse than going into a casino to play blackjack. You know your odds in that scenario. P2P is an outright deception and if the authorities get wind of this there will be some unhappy people.
If you haven't got a single penny in, you really have no worries now eh?
But look at this way...
when it "all comes crashing down"...
you can always proudly say.."hey, I told you so, didn't I?"
QUOTE(svanson @ Mar 9 2008, 05:35 AM) [snapback]4735765[/snapback]
So, why don't you simply go back to your RPP's ? Also, your post sounds very envious not to be a member of this great program !
those RPP's are a real joke..just as worse if not more so than the hyip's.
I was in, I believe, the first one -- E-65.
Am still waiting.
KazzyAdmin
Mar 8 2008, 05:33 PM
QUOTE(Yoda @ Mar 8 2008, 05:06 AM) [snapback]4734256[/snapback]
Studio Traffic offered 1% a day and they failed. Plus they had outside sources of income. Sure a well ran ponzi can last paying 30%/60% and higher. But just because a program has paid for a year doesn't mean it's real.
I worked for Studio Traffic and trust me they had zero outside income. They lasted so long by having a $100 account level before you could withdraw and other sneaky tricks. It ran nearly 3 years but was struggling for a year before that. Many members were waiting on payouts for 4-6 months before it ended. It paid only 30% a month and had hundreds joining daily but still dried up.
I can't see how a program with only 3000-4000 active members paying 60% monthly can last a year purely run as a ponzi.
nineteen
Mar 8 2008, 05:40 PM
QUOTE(alwaysowen @ Mar 8 2008, 08:05 AM) [snapback]4735237[/snapback]
Yes svanson, I agree that the interview was great and in fact it was one of those "super-surprised" moments:
Thanks Nick for everything you are doing for us! You and Kent are doing very well!! Keep up the great work!!
Hello Alwaysowen* Time and Pathway-2- Prosperity Goes Forward* Please Post For Everyone*
Layton
Mar 8 2008, 06:31 PM
QUOTE(Lazyadmin @ Mar 8 2008, 09:33 PM) [snapback]4736049[/snapback]
I worked for Studio Traffic and trust me they had zero outside income. They lasted so long by having a $100 account level before you could withdraw and other sneaky tricks. It ran nearly 3 years but was struggling for a year before that. Many members were waiting on payouts for 4-6 months before it ended. It paid only 30% a month and had hundreds joining daily but still dried up.
I can't see how a program with only 3000-4000 active members paying 60% monthly can last a year purely run as a ponzi.
That was exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. Although no one can prove any investments, but there has to be something for Nick to continually pay out the small, medium, and large pay outs. I for a fact know there are a few maxed accounts that are currently being paid out even now, because I am one of the ones on the receiving end. Also Nick said he is averaging paying out over a 100k a day and he just finished one with over 160k, so there are not that many new upgrades wit just 3 to 6 k of upgraded members. Some people still contend that it is still new money from members that are propping up the program, but if the upgraded members are close to being right, and the payouts are right, then I can not see the validity of the new money is paying the older ones. To me it just does not stand up at all.
Layton
ninong
Mar 8 2008, 06:48 PM
QUOTE(KazzyAdmin @ Mar 9 2008, 02:33 AM) [snapback]4736049[/snapback]
I worked for Studio Traffic and trust me they had zero outside income. They lasted so long by having a $100 account level before you could withdraw and other sneaky tricks. It ran nearly 3 years but was struggling for a year before that. Many members were waiting on payouts for 4-6 months before it ended. It paid only 30% a month and had hundreds joining daily but still dried up.
I can't see how a program with only 3000-4000 active members paying 60% monthly can last a year purely run as a ponzi.
Not to argue but my opinion only. Hope no one get offended by this. This program could have been dead if this is a ponzi? there are approximately more or less 10 members (maybe more) who have maxed out and already receiving at least 60%/month every month. maybe the owner has a real business for small people and making it very confidential. But the good thing is he is Paying until now....whatever will be will be..que sera sera. nothing to worry about. I got my principle back already and has a 4 figure running and still getting paid until todate. All programs online are 99.999% scams. It's up to anyone to decide for themselves.
Good Day.
nineteen
Mar 8 2008, 06:55 PM
QUOTE(KazzyAdmin @ Mar 8 2008, 05:33 PM) [snapback]4736049[/snapback]
I worked for Studio Traffic and trust me they had zero outside income. They lasted so long by having a $100 account level before you could withdraw and other sneaky tricks. It ran nearly 3 years but was struggling for a year before that. Many members were waiting on payouts for 4-6 months before it ended. It paid only 30% a month and had hundreds joining daily but still dried up.
I can't see how a program with only 3000-4000 active members paying 60% monthly can last a year purely run as a ponzi.
Hooray Everyone* i got it figure out! The CC companys The Travel Industry Plus Others are* going to back Pathway-2- Prosperity so we can pay them back think about it plus* things will move again
Dorky
Mar 8 2008, 06:56 PM
QUOTE(ninong @ Mar 9 2008, 12:48 PM) [snapback]4736177[/snapback]
Not to argue but my opinion only. Hope no one get offended by this. This program could have been dead if this is a ponzi? maybe the owner has a real business for small people and making it very confidential. But the good thing is he is Paying until now....whatever will be will be..que sera sera. nothing to worry about. I got my principle back already and has a 4 figure running and still getting paid until todate. All programs online are 99.999% scams. It's up to anyone to decide for themselves.
Good Day.
Way to Go ninong
You are another example of the "little bloke" getting a chance. There are many more stories out there! As long as we aren't betting the farm, why not enjoy the fruits of life.
Dorky
ninong
Mar 8 2008, 07:07 PM
QUOTE(Dorky @ Mar 9 2008, 03:56 AM) [snapback]4736196[/snapback]
Way to Go ninong
You are another example of the "little bloke" getting a chance. There are many more stories out there! As long as we aren't betting the farm, why not enjoy the fruits of life.
Dorky
True my very good friend and mentor 'Dorky'. Thank you for all your advices.
QUOTE(yoeeoo @ Mar 8 2008, 07:34 PM) [snapback]4735500[/snapback]
I am thinking out loud here, but here goes.
Why must there be a forum for a real investment?
I won shares in a bank, and they just pay me. There is no forum to go to or a ra-ra club. The bank has paid for over 2 decades now.
Real investments are private. They don't have people running around and posting...I got paid.
I do not see big businesses doing this.
So why would we fall for these lame tactics?
My guesss is, this will go poof!
yo
So be it. Nothing is forever. we'll all die anyway. He is the owner not you, he runs his own business as he pleases. You create your own business for yourself and run it by yourself... just stating a fact. no offense please.
Aussie Ann/bandi
Mar 8 2008, 08:16 PM
I'm enjoying P2P while it lasts - everything I have in here now is purely profit. I was advised 3 months ago to get my seed out - and I've actually withdrawn 150% of my original spend.
mafaltti
Mar 8 2008, 08:20 PM
QUOTE(Aussie Ann/bandi @ Mar 8 2008, 08:16 PM) [snapback]4736278[/snapback]
I'm enjoying P2P while it lasts - everything I have in here now is purely profit. I was advised 3 months ago to get my seed out - and I've actually withdrawn 150% of my original spend.
You learnt and applied very well the Gold Rules of HYIP Industry.
manosteel
Mar 8 2008, 10:49 PM
QUOTE(mafaltti @ Mar 9 2008, 12:20 PM) [snapback]4736280[/snapback]
You learnt and applied very well the Gold Rules of HYIP Industry.
precisely.
Agreed with Aussie Ann.
what are the detractors getting all riled up for ...?
What are you even doing in the arena? It's just one giant gambling den isn't it?
Are you genuinely concerned about those who are "deluding" themselves into spending into a "certfied ponzi"?
Oh you want to save the arena?
Been there.
The difference from my vantage point is that P2P is still paying and continues to do so.
@ the detractors:
If it's really the ponzi you claim it is, then you should go straight to the OSC and file your complaint as Traderj says.
Again, do you have money in?
I guess it's damned if you do time, because some of you are playing both sides if you do have money in.
If you don't have a single penny in, what's your worry?
Just practice safe hyip investing--that's all it boils down to.
Carry on
cvkint
Mar 8 2008, 11:41 PM
QUOTE(manosteel @ Mar 9 2008, 01:49 PM) [snapback]4736464[/snapback]
If it's really the ponzi you claim it is, then you should go straight to the OSC and file your complaint as Traderj says.
Just practice safe hyip investing--that's all it boils down to. Carry on
Ahhhhh but therein lies the rub.. if EVERYONE would just acknowledge what you just said then I don't think you'd see any of the "naysayers" here ever again.. the problem is that many of the cheerleaders want to go on and on about how legal this is and how Nick is invested in this that and the other.. the fact is it is NOT legal, a couple of phone calls can prove that... and as long as members will mislead the public telling them things that HAVE not been proven you will see naysayers trying to make sure both sides of the story get out.
If every single person that promoted the program did so like Layton and simply said I don't know what nick does and don't care, I invested my money and I am playing it smart and I am aware it's a risk I doubt anyone would give it a second thought...as soon as people start in with the he's invested in Casino's bull people are going to ask for proof. It is NOT up to the people saying it's a lie to prove it.. it's up to the PERSON making the claim to back that claim up...
If people are in this program with the understanding it's a HYIP and likely a Ponzi as there IS NO PROOF to say otherwise that's cool.. but too many people are being led down the garden path with all the unproven stories being presented as facts.
Yoda
Mar 9 2008, 12:05 AM
QUOTE(KazzyAdmin @ Mar 8 2008, 07:33 PM) [snapback]4736049[/snapback]
I worked for Studio Traffic and trust me they had zero outside income. They lasted so long by having a $100 account level before you could withdraw and other sneaky tricks. It ran nearly 3 years but was struggling for a year before that. Many members were waiting on payouts for 4-6 months before it ended. It paid only 30% a month and had hundreds joining daily but still dried up.
I can't see how a program with only 3000-4000 active members paying 60% monthly can last a year purely run as a ponzi.
I know ST had studio pay but didnt they have something else? A store, hosting, something. I don't remember it's been a few years. Obv, ST was a ponzi but I thought they had added a couple things to the program. I knew ST had problems when the max account value jumped to 15k then 20k etc... obv signs
Yoda
drillbit
Mar 9 2008, 12:25 AM
QUOTE(cvkint @ Mar 8 2008, 11:41 PM) [snapback]4736526[/snapback]
Ahhhhh but therein lies the rub.. if EVERYONE would just acknowledge what you just said then I don't think you'd see any of the "naysayers" here ever again.. the problem is that many of the cheerleaders want to go on and on about how legal this is and how Nick is invested in this that and the other.. the fact is it is NOT legal, a couple of phone calls can prove that... and as long as members will mislead the public telling them things that HAVE not been proven you will see naysayers trying to make sure both sides of the story get out.
If every single person that promoted the program did so like Layton and simply said I don't know what nick does and don't care, I invested my money and I am playing it smart and I am aware it's a risk I doubt anyone would give it a second thought...as soon as people start in with the he's invested in Casino's bull people are going to ask for proof. It is NOT up to the people saying it's a lie to prove it.. it's up to the PERSON making the claim to back that claim up...
If people are in this program with the understanding it's a HYIP and likely a Ponzi as there IS NO PROOF to say otherwise that's cool.. but too many people are being led down the garden path with all the unproven stories being presented as facts.
I agree with this. The biggest problem I see is that there are a ton of people who have no clue what this is really about. They stay sheltered in their own forum and never seek outside advice. They are instead told to not worry about things and everything will be ok because Nick is paying them now. All it takes is just a few phone calls to verify that this program is illegal. People will begin the real DD when it crashes and then wonder what happened.
Those that make a big profit simply get their money from those that lost. Morally, that may not bother most of you. I think its wrong. If you lose your money in a casino then thats too bad but a casino does not represent itself as a private retirement club that incidentally having to still accept new members.
Someone made the comment that this was a life changing experience. He may be right in that it ends up like CEP and those in big profit get sued for their ill gotten gains. I would say that would be life changing.
I just hope those that have bought into the tremendous amount of hype will check around to verify before they lose their money to other greedy members who continue to promote this ponzi. If you want to play it doesnt bother me one bit but at least be honest with others. Sixty percent per month is ridiculous for someone to make on a everyday basis seven days a week. Think about that. If it could be done Nick would control every dollar in the world in a short period of time. Treat this as a total gamble because thats all it is.
manosteel
Mar 9 2008, 12:32 AM
QUOTE(cvkint @ Mar 9 2008, 03:41 PM) [snapback]4736526[/snapback]
Ahhhhh but therein lies the rub.. if EVERYONE would just acknowledge what you just said then I don't think you'd see any of the "naysayers" here ever again.. the problem is that many of the cheerleaders want to go on and on about how legal this is and how Nick is invested in this that and the other.. the fact is it is NOT legal, a couple of phone calls can prove that... and as long as members will mislead the public telling them things that HAVE not been proven you will see naysayers trying to make sure both sides of the story get out.
If every single person that promoted the program did so like Layton and simply said I don't know what nick does and don't care, I invested my money and I am playing it smart and I am aware it's a risk I doubt anyone would give it a second thought...as soon as people start in with the he's invested in Casino's bull people are going to ask for proof. It is NOT up to the people saying it's a lie to prove it.. it's up to the PERSON making the claim to back that claim up...
If people are in this program with the understanding it's a HYIP and likely a Ponzi as there IS NO PROOF to say otherwise that's cool.. but too many people are being led down the garden path with all the unproven stories being presented as facts.
Well...that's why it's always good to hear the "other side" to, as they say or are wont to reason -- prevent new potential spenders that would, shall we say: "perpetuate the ponzi"..
Discussion is always good.
Perhaps it is in your mind to educate by way of reason, and thus prevent the perpetuation.
Thing is..as you may well know, not everyone will see it the way you do..thus maybe the necessity for you and others of like mind to carry on, so to speak.
I think where the quandary might lie for those who oppose P2P-- is that would have to take a lot of complainants to the OSC in order to accelerate any action.
Nowadays..
I prefer to look at this particular case with the realities of hyip in mind.
Layton
Mar 9 2008, 01:26 AM
QUOTE(ninong @ Mar 8 2008, 09:48 PM) [snapback]4736177[/snapback]
Not to argue but my opinion only. Hope no one get offended by this. This program could have been dead if this is a ponzi? there are approximately more or less 10 members (maybe more) who have maxed out and already receiving at least 60%/month every month. maybe the owner has a real business for small people and making it very confidential. But the good thing is he is Paying until now....whatever will be will be..Que sera sera. nothing to worry about. I got my principle back already and has a 4 figure running and still getting paid until date. All programs online are 99.999% scams. It's up to anyone to decide for themselves.
Good Day.
There are more that 10 that are maxed out, I know of at least 20 including me that are maxed out and happily enjoying the returns. One thing is curious, and that is that not one person that is continuously calling this a ponzi and illegal, has once made a comment about all the large pay outs that are ongoing, haw that can be if only 3k to 6k are upgraded, how can they continue to pay with just members funds. I am a cynic, how do you know that this is on its last leg? Is it because the program has to date handled all the problems? Or is it that he has continued to pay the high impossible % that he does to date? Is it because everyone says hi has no investments and only one third is upgraded, but is still paying.
Will any one concede that despite every thing to the contrary, the program is still functioning very well?
Layton
cvkint
Mar 9 2008, 05:09 AM
QUOTE(Layton @ Mar 9 2008, 04:26 PM) [snapback]4736647[/snapback]
One thing is curious, and that is that not one person that is continuously calling this a ponzi and illegal, has once made a comment about all the large pay outs that are ongoing, haw that can be if only 3k to 6k are upgraded, how can they continue to pay with just members funds.
Layton I only speak for myself but the reason I don't pay any attention to the numbers you are talking about is because once again there is no proof of that. Nick says those are the numbers and Nick says he is paying XX per day or week or whatever but there is simply nothing to verify that. So take it with a huge grain of salt.
Plus I think you are mistaking Legal with working. I will touch on that more below in regards to your last question.
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I am a cynic, how do you know that this is on its last leg? Is it because the program has to date handled all the problems? Or is it that he has continued to pay the high impossible % that he does to date? Is it because everyone says hi has no investments and only one third is upgraded, but is still paying.
I don't "know" it's on its last leg, I assume it is due to the fact that I personally know of over a dozen people that have reported them to the OSC and RCMP as with all gov't bodies they move slowly but they do in fact move.. so it is only a matter of time before the powers that be step in and ask for the licenses that are needed to run an investment program that we all know Nick does not have. Again if you require proof call the OSC they will confirm he is NOT registered to do business in Ontario.
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Will any one concede that despite every thing to the contrary, the program is still functioning very well?
Here is where I think you are getting stuff confused, I will agree with you 100% NO DOUBT this program is functioning very very well. But that does not make it legal. I don't think any of the people that we are calling believers are grasping the difference, however small they might think it is.
Let's for one second assume that everything single thing that Nick has said is true, I mean everything... the casino's, the jet setting the 60% month I mean EVERYTHING.. assume for one minute it is all one hundred percent true.. it doesn't make the program legal. He will still be shut down by the gov't. In order to receive funds in Ontario, Canada and to return them with profit you need to have a loan agreement or to have exchanged some sort of tangible goods. Otherwise you are receiving money for the purpose of investment. Anybody doing so in Ontario needs to be licensed by the OSC.
It doesn't matter what Nick tells you, me or anybody else, what matters is the Ontario gov't which is the province in which he lives. Like I've said a million times make a phone call, the OSC will tell you quite clearly Nick is NOT registered nor is his company name to do business.. if he is registered under some other name, why not tell people and show the license to shut up all the naysayers? Once you have proven there is NO license, simply call the RCMP and ask if he it operating legally... you will have your answer.
So the issue of whether the program is functioning well OR functioning Legally are two very different things.
I have never for one second said that Nick is NOT doing exactly what he said he is, I simply don't believe him in regards to how he is doing it but that is my issue... the fact remains he is not legally registered to do business in Ontario.
It is actually a very large shame really. I mean look at all the people that cheering Nick on and look at all the people claiming to be getting huge payouts, look at all the people in MCF that are doing great things for their Churches and animal shelters and a lot of other really amazing things... how sad will it be IF this whole program gets shutdown over Nick not registering to operate legally? If everything he claims is true, how very selfish of him to not take the time to jump through a few hoops for the gov't to cross his T's and dot his I's get the license he needs and continue on helping people for years to come.. I for one would be at the front of the line to invest with him the second he could prove he was registered to do business in this Province... but I won't risk a penny on an unregistered business.. not with the state of things, take a look at what is happening to the CEP people.. not worth it to me .... again that is simply my opinion.
mar123
Mar 9 2008, 06:05 AM
usually the people who complain here and say negative things are the ones who get paid
I am sorry to read all negative things, I am not in profit yet but everybody gets paid here
in the interview Nick said that he is doing everything legal because he wants to sleep good
at night, so why not believe him? we all live in cruel world where we have learned not to trust
each other and do good to others, and when somebody tries to help we say that he might be some sort of a crook... I guess we should stop behaving in such a way if we all need to succeed why don't you phone Nick and discuss the legal issues? this is the only way to solve this
problem I guess
if this program pays, the members give their support
I believe in this program and I am really sorry to read all negative things
I live in Canada too and I am really concerned about the smooth and legal operation of this program thanks for reading my post, hope this program makes everybody happy mary
KazzyAdmin
Mar 9 2008, 07:07 AM
QUOTE(Yoda @ Mar 9 2008, 08:05 AM) [snapback]4736561[/snapback]
I know ST had studio pay but didnt they have something else? A store, hosting, something. I don't remember it's been a few years. Obv, ST was a ponzi but I thought they had added a couple things to the program. I knew ST had problems when the max account value jumped to 15k then 20k etc... obv signs
Yoda
Oh yeah, they had a ton of other programs mostly in name. lol StudioWalker is what you are thinking of, it was a hosting and design site running before Studio Traffic started. After about 9 months the website was supposed to get a make over but never returned. Studio Pay could have worked if it was better managed and open to the public not just members.
There was StudioHolidays, StudioCares, StudioShopper and more but none of them were developed along enough to make any money. The Admin just kept coming up with ideas and never finishing them. Such a waste..
As for P2P, I've been with them since October. I started with $1000 and have since withdrawn it, I'm now working on house money. I am in no rush to max out, so plan to take a nice chunk in April but I could still be maxed out by July doing this. Is it legal? I have no idea. Is it a ponzi? I can't see how it can be. I have no referrals and don't push any programs I'm in on anyone.
I have no problem with the naysayers who are here to advise the newbies of possible scammers and such. But there seems to be a group of holier than thou ones lately that take enjoyment in trying to bring some programs down. They have become what they once fought against.. to stop admins from stealing people's money. But by attacking the paying programs that is exactly what they are doing.. losing people their money.
cvkint
Mar 9 2008, 07:39 AM
QUOTE(mar123 @ Mar 9 2008, 09:05 PM) [snapback]4737089[/snapback]
in the interview Nick said that he is doing everything legal because he wants to sleep good at night, so why not believe him? we all live in cruel world where we have learned not to trust
It has nothing to do with trust, it's a legal issue. It's a very simple question if Nick is legal have him produce his BRN for Ontario? Nick can "say" he is operating legally until the cows come home, until he produces the documentation that proves it, I will continue to believe the Ontario Securities Commission, The Ministry of Consumer & Corporate affairs that say he DOES not have a license... sorry but I trust them over him.
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why don't you phone Nick and discuss the legal issues? this is the only way to solve this problem
I have called Nick and I asked him for said proof of business registration, he changed the subject and started rambling on about totally unrelated issues I have a Canadian Incorporated company.. actually an Ontario Incorporation it's not Canada wide and it was very easy to do and cost less than 375 bucks and I have no reason why if he was doing everything above board as he says he would not spend the one afternoon and few hundred bucks it takes to register his company legally... it's baffling to me that's for sure..
Please remember we are NOT talking about opinions here we are talking about facts... can Nick prove his company is legally registered? If he can he has not done so to this point, saying it's so does NOT make it true.
Can I or anyone else you all call "naysayers" prove he isn't registered. yes of course.. I'll give you the phone number if you like you can check yourself...
Paying versus being operated legally are two very different things.
svanson
Mar 9 2008, 09:16 AM
QUOTE(cvkint @ Mar 9 2008, 04:39 PM) [snapback]4737290[/snapback]
I have called Nick and I asked him for said proof of business registration, he changed the subject and started rambling on about totally unrelated issues I have a Canadian Incorporated company.. actually an Ontario Incorporation it's not Canada wide and it was very easy to do and cost less than 375 bucks and I have no reason why if he was doing everything above board as he says he would not spend the one afternoon and few hundred bucks it takes to register his company legally... it's baffling to me that's for sure..
Please remember we are NOT talking about opinions here we are talking about facts... can Nick prove his company is legally registered? If he can he has not done so to this point, saying it's so does NOT make it true.
Can I or anyone else you all call "naysayers" prove he isn't registered. yes of course.. I'll give you the phone number if you like you can check yourself...
Paying versus being operated legally are two very different things.
In his first interview, Nick mentioned that he had to register a company called 'P-2-P Network' because the SEC and the OSC wanted to shut the program down but with no avail. And I know, that Nick was reported to the SEC and to the OSC.
So, you still say, that this program is not legal but it's still running and you still think, that this program will get shut down ?
stogylady
Mar 9 2008, 09:33 AM
QUOTE(KazzyAdmin @ Mar 8 2008, 05:33 PM) [snapback]4736049[/snapback]
I worked for Studio Traffic and trust me they had zero outside income. They lasted so long by having a $100 account level before you could withdraw and other sneaky tricks. It ran nearly 3 years but was struggling for a year before that. Many members were waiting on payouts for 4-6 months before it ended. It paid only 30% a month and had hundreds joining daily but still dried up.
I can't see how a program with only 3000-4000 active members paying 60% monthly can last a year purely run as a ponzi.
YOU worked for Studio Traffic??? I certainly wouldn't admit that in public. So where is John Horan? They were the very first ones to steal my money! Thousands. I compounded for a year and just when I made my first withdrawl, the dreaded audit. What a bunch of BS. Were you one of the cheerleaders that convinced people to join? Yeah like you are going to answer that one.
KazzyAdmin
Mar 9 2008, 11:11 AM
QUOTE(stogylady @ Mar 9 2008, 05:33 PM) [snapback]4737499[/snapback]
YOU worked for Studio Traffic??? I certainly wouldn't admit that in public. So where is John Horan? They were the very first ones to steal my money! Thousands. I compounded for a year and just when I made my first withdrawl, the dreaded audit. What a bunch of BS. Were you one of the cheerleaders that convinced people to join? Yeah like you are going to answer that one.
I think the question more should be who is John Horan. Staff were screwed just as much as members, some even more so. Personally I was owed 3 months of wages and 4 months of withdrawals from my account. I had 6 referrals and the only one upgraded from them was my mother. lol I am ashamed how management treated its members but myself and the support staff did everything we could do to help within our power. Anyway, that was a long time ago. It's time to move on and let go the anger you seem to still have.
I am enjoying being part of P2P. It has some exciting things happening soon and I feel that good times are here for the long term. I also love the family atmosphere in the MCF forum.
nineteen
Mar 9 2008, 11:19 AM
Good* Day Everyone, Daylight* Savings is Here > Keep Going Pathway-2- Prosperity
cvkint
Mar 9 2008, 05:54 PM
QUOTE(svanson @ Mar 10 2008, 12:16 AM) [snapback]4737462[/snapback]
In his first interview, Nick mentioned that he had to register a company called 'P-2-P Network'
You see the above is the sort of stuff I'm talking about. You heard Nick say it so you accept it as truth without any information to back it up. This is very dangerous, because then when other people come to this forum and read what you said they in turn might believe, but it's false. Here I'll do the work for you this time... here is a form on the OSC site to check for any name or company to see if they are registered..plug in P-2-P Network or anything else you can think of that relates to Nick or his name... you'll find nothing.. here is the phone number if you believe the database on the form is incorrect.. 1-877-785-1555.
because the SEC and the OSC wanted to shut the program down but with no avail.
Again another lie. Why you say? Because the OSC has NOTHING to do with enforcement, they don't try to shut anybody down that is NOT their job or mandate. So for Nick to say they tried to shut him down proves he is lying again. All the OSC does is takes registrations for people and companies that are involved in the investment industry in Ontario. If someone is not registered they would simply pass that info along to the RCMP who would investigate.
As for the SEC they DO enforcement but to prove that Nick lying about them trying to shut him down you simply need to do a little work. The SEC would NEVER talk about an open case, it's against their mandate, but if they have a closed case as YOU are saying Nick claims, they tried and failed to shut him down, then the records of that failed investigation would be public record Send a fax to: 202-772-9295 or Send an e-mail to: PublicInfo@sec.gov ask them for the records.. there are NONE.. because it's a fantasy in Nick's head..
The OSC does not enforce.. the SEC has NO closed file on Nick.. again please do not take my word for it, call them directly you will see for yourself Nick is lying.
QUOTE
And I know, that Nick was reported to the SEC and to the OSC.
Yes I know he was as well the fact that neither the SEC or the RCMP will comment on the fact that there is an open case means they are still investigating... they are not allowed by law to comment on open cases...
QUOTE
So, you still say, that this program is not legal
I KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL, make a couple of phone calls so will you.
QUOTE
but it's still running and you still think, that this program will get shut down ?
Do you believe everything in the world that is illegal gets shutdown instantly? They will get to him in time, you can't argue with facts.. now you can ignore the numbers and contacts I posted above if you want, but the FACT is a phone call will prove exactly what I'm saying.
I acknowledged already the program is humming along and paying everyone just fine, that does NOT make it legal... shame on Nick if he's real and hasn't registered, spoiling all those dreams and causing all that help being given by the P2P people to stop.. what a heartless selfish man... with his millions and crack legal team registration could be done in a day or two.. ask yourself.. why doesn't he??
stogylady
Mar 9 2008, 08:45 PM
[quote name='cvkint' date='Mar 9 2008, 05:54 PM' post='4738282'] You see the above is the sort of stuff I'm talking about. You heard Nick say it so you accept it as truth without any information to back it up. This is very dangerous, because then when other people come to this forum and read what you said they in turn might believe, but it's false. Here I'll do the work for you this time... here is a form on the OSC site to check for any name or company to see if they are registered..plug in P-2-P Network or anything else you can think of that relates to Nick or his name... you'll find nothing.. here is the phone number if you believe the database on the form is incorrect.. 1-877-785-1555.
http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/Dealers/Registran...st-tc_index.p Again another lie. Why you say? Because the OSC has NOTHING to do with enforcement, they don't try to shut anybody down that is NOT their job or mandate. So for Nick to say they tried to shut him down proves he is lying again. All the OSC does is takes registrations for people and companies that are involved in the investment industry in Ontario. If someone is not registered they would simply pass that info along to the RCMP who would investigate.
As for the SEC they DO enforcement but to prove that Nick lying about them trying himdown you simply need to do a little work. The SEC would NEVER talk about an open case, it's against their mandate, but if they have a closed case as YOU are saying Nick claims, they tried and failed to shut him down, then the records of that failed investigation would be public record Send a fax to: 202-772-9295 or Send an e-mail to: PublicInfo@sec.gov ask them for the records.. there are NONE.. because it's a fantasy in Nick's head..
The OSC does not enforce.. the SEC has NO closed file on Nick.. again please do not take my word for it, call them directly you will see for yourself Nick is lying. Yes I know he was as well the fact that neither the SEC or the RCMP will comment on the fact that there is an open case means they are still investigating... they are not allowed by law to comment on open cases... I KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL, make a couple of phone calls so will you.
Do you believe everything in the world that is illegal gets shutdown instantly? They will get to him in time, you can't argue with facts.. now you can ignore the numbers and contacts I posted above if you want, but the FACT is a phone call will prove exactly what I'm saying.
I acknowledged already the program is humming along and paying everyone just fine, that does NOT make it legal... shame on Nick if he's real and hasn't registered, spoiling all those dreams and causing all that help being given by the P2P people to stop.. what a heartless selfish man... with his millions and crack legal team registration could be done in a day or two.. ask yourself.. why doesn't he?? [/quote
Edit: Personal attacks are not tolerated anywhere on this forum.
TeamAaronShara
Mar 9 2008, 09:45 PM
Hello,
After doing extensive research and Due Diligence on this program, because we are being sent numerous emails daily that this is the END ALL BE ALL Program we felt had to dig a "little" deeper... We have "stumbled" across some information that we thought you all may be interested in and we felt obligated to pass on to all those here at MMG.
What we have learned is the following:
- The Government has infiltrated P2P. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are about to shut him down. Up to this point, the RCMP have already closed bank accounts belonging to him. Nick keeps getting creative and opening new accounts under different names but they are on to him. It is only a matter of time.
- A gentlemen we just got off the phone with had a potential referral about to join for 25k but his referral got nervous and hired a Private Investigator (PI). Apparently the "office" is just a store front. No one is ever there. The PI ended up talking to a couple of the neighbors, and was told that Nick is basically a piece of trash. The PI watched the office for about a week and Nick was never seen at the building.
- Also, the Basic Sentiment, Modis Operandi, Objective is Nick will receive an influx of money from people that are supposed to be purchasing Debit Cards. This is just more hype. None of the members will ever receive a debit card. Members will have to pay for them upfront (say 3500 members or whatever times $30.00) and that will give him another 100,000.00 or about that amount. Most of this info has come from current members in the program. This last bit is from someone who started with 100.00 and already has made 8,000.00 and has another 3000.00 pending right now. So it's not like it's naysayers saying this.
- Not to mention that if you watched the last video where Nick claims his program is LEGAL. That should be your first red flag. If you are going to handle the investments of other people's money. Especially across International Borders you must have a Securities License. Nick, nor anyone we can find in his company has this license. Anyone is free to call and verify this to be the case.
- In his latest interview he mentioned how the site is having problems. He goes into a detailed story about members just need to access the back office. BUT for them to confirm payouts they have to work in 3 different places. This is totally NOT TRUE. The payouts are behind because the ponzi is hitting the end. Not enough money coming in to cover payouts due.
- The staff working for P2P (Gary, Chris, Martin, Liz, Donny, Jerry, and don't forget Kent), well they are just taking a paycheck out of your "investments". So when you get mad, get mad at them too. They are on the inside so they know it's a scam.
- Naysayer talk: Notice how he repeatedly in this interview talks about the naysayers. If P2P is real why care what people are saying? Close the doors and go 100% private. Oh wait, that's right you need the new spends so you have to do damage control. In addition, notice how Nick says they paid out $167,000. Why mention that? Because a ponzi NEEDS HYPE to keep going. So that new spends flow in.
- Suspended Accounts: Why bring this up? Simple. It is because it is something they can claim takes their time away from doing payouts, working on other stuff they had planned etc..etc. This is straight from the "End Game Ponzi Handbook".
- Talk about payments catching up! More HYPE that keeps members happy and happy members promote and bring in new money. Same thing with this line from Nick "I had one individual say to me Nick, I don't care if you are a month or months behind in payouts because what I earned in 30 days, you can't earn that in an entire year...so don't worry about me...You can be MONTHS behind in your payouts because I know that you are going to pay me."
Ask yourself, why would he mention that? Simple. He is trying to get all the members to have the mindset that delays happen and problems arise. Next you will hear that all businesses have problems. We've heard all this before. All the rest are in the Closed/Scam Sections. All those people thought their program was different too.
- Then Nick mentions that people who need money for bills should allow for problems (this is right out of the Ponzi Handbook). He mentions the weather, pay processors etc..etc.. by this time alarm bells should be ringing in your head!
- Then Nick Mentions in the interview about the new pay processors that P2P will be running. He hypes up his lies for the future of the program. We have seen this all before.
- They end the call with nothing but HYPE, Life Insurance from Lloyds of London , P2P Energy Bank, Air Miles, Cash Back Rewards, Roadside Assistance etc..etc More HYPE to get more investors!
- As a group we have determined that this will be "Game Over" within the next several weeks.
Please tell all your friends/referrals to please stop promoting this program. Anyone who joins/"invests" today is going to lose money. For those who have never had this happen to them before. We know it is a terrible feeling when your hopes/dreams get crushed. Please watch how things play out here. All these program cheerleaders will quickly turn into a campaign to go after Nick. They will be out for blood.
This is what happens when an admin/program claims their program is something different. People understand when something is a ponzi/game. They know the risk is huge going in and most promote it as a hot program. People know they should get their "investment" and some profit out ASAP. Then roll with a plan of withdrawals/ "re-invest". That being said, when a program does what this one has done people promote it as the last program one will ever need. People put retirement money, 401k's, children's college funds, vacation money and even the bill money in. The sad part is these great programs that run for so long is that they crash REALLY hard. Like the saying goes "The bigger they are the harder they fall".
The fallout here will be devastating to people. For all those who profited promoting this like it's a life changing program, please remember that you caused these people to believe in something that was "to good to be true". Comon let's get real here, 60% per month...
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Most of us have seen these types of things come and go, but on the flip side as members of MMG, we think, everyone here has a rare opportunity to be a part of something great.
MMG has announced the 2008 MMG Make Over and our Inside Information is that MMG will be the place anyone can come to and learn to MAKE/EARN money online and offline. MMG wants to lead it's members in a direction where they understand they have to work to make money online.
Oh and last but not least... Nick say "Hello" to Richard Branson for us ..
You can find out more about Richard Branson here :http://starturl.com/richardbranson (the link is safe promise) , from what we have been told he is a "friend" of Nick's and an "investor" in P2P as well. Just more hype and piggybacking off someone else's credibility and good business sense.
We hope that this post is taken with the good intent in which it was written.
Please be careful out there!
Thanks!
Aaron and Shara
You may contact us at:
Skype ID teamaaronshara
Yahoo ID teamaaronsharanew
AOL Instant Messenger TeamAaronShara
MSN ID teamaaronshara@hotmail.com ( Please do NOT email to this Hotmail Email Address, or we will not receive it).
alwaysowen
Mar 9 2008, 10:57 PM
Edit: My apologies. I did not realize you were quoting someone else.
manosteel
Mar 10 2008, 03:03 AM
guess the mounties are on their way then ..eh?
You know, they always get their man
pinnochio
Mar 10 2008, 04:52 AM
QUOTE(TeamAaronShara @ Mar 10 2008, 06:45 AM) [snapback]4738583[/snapback]
[size=4][size=3]Hello,
After doing extensive research and Due Diligence on this program, because we are being sent numerous emails daily that this is the END ALL BE ALL Program we felt had to dig a "little" deeper... We have "stumbled" across some information that we thought you all may be interested in and we felt obligated to pass on to all those here at MMG.
What we have learned is the following:
What followed started out well enough, reasonably objective albiet without any backup. Which is fine, this a forum after all. Thereafter it was more like a personal attack than a clear exposition or critique and unfortunately for the serious observer that raises it's own red flags.
p
wwind3
Mar 10 2008, 05:48 AM
QUOTE(TeamAaronShara @ Mar 10 2008, 12:45 AM) [snapback]4738583[/snapback]
Hello,
After doing extensive research and Due Diligence on this program, because we are being sent numerous emails daily that this is the END ALL BE ALL Program we felt had to dig a "little" deeper... We have "stumbled" across some information that we thought you all may be interested in and we felt obligated to pass on to all those here at MMG. .
Please be careful out there!
Thanks!
Aaron and Shara
You may contact us at:
Skype ID teamaaronshara
Yahoo ID teamaaronsharanew
AOL Instant Messenger TeamAaronShara
MSN ID teamaaronshara@hotmail.com ( Please do NOT email to this Hotmail Email Address, or we will not receive it).
First---I am not in P2P and am certainly not a supporter---read my posts. However----I find your post a little odd and I have misgivings re: your credibility.
I did a member search on your ID---I see you have over 2000 posts but I see nothing since Nov 2007. I also see that several threads you started are in the closed section--ie: the forex thingy. And several more---the "doublers" etc which I dont consider to be real investments. And your announcement re: "MMG in 2008" is a little strange---could you please elaborate? You sound a little cryptic to me.
I hpe YOU dont take things the wrong way but I am a little skeptical of everyone in this arena right now. I think all of us should be scrutinized equally---including me....
To paraphrase the great BB King--"Everyone is trying to cheat me 'cept my Momma-----and she may be jivin' me too"
svanson
Mar 10 2008, 06:21 AM
The whole post from TeamAaronShara is staged ! I don't know, why they have so much boredom.
mar123
Mar 10 2008, 06:21 AM
I am new to this program and I have taken out my initial deposit, so no money
to loose-right now I will be starting to have some profit
I feel sorry for the people making attacks, even if they might think the program has
problems they should be there to help and not trying to prove that this is trying to cheat members
I do not agree with the way Aaron and Shara present their opinion here
I am in Canada and I will always support the Canadian programs and even if Canada was behind before , I feel now has made a good start
any Canadians agree? I also have friends in USA who are good supporters of p-2-p and they are experienced marketers
sometime ago I had joined some programs that Sarah and Aaron referred and they closed down in one week and I lost the money hope this one works better for all of us mary
englishman
Mar 10 2008, 06:24 AM
Legal! - ah yes, what is "Legal"?, but a way for governments to assure that they get a piece of the pie even though they have done nothing to earn it. I for one would like nothing more than to have the Government stay out of my business. They do not know how to spend my money better than me. I went into P-2-P with money I could afford to lose. My decision. I do not need the Government to protect me from myself.
manosteel
Mar 10 2008, 06:34 AM
QUOTE(mar123 @ Mar 10 2008, 10:21 PM) [snapback]4739477[/snapback]
sometime ago I had joined some programs that Sarah and Aaron referred and they closed down in one week and I lost the money
Edit: Personal attacks are not tolerated anywhere on this forum.
But anyway..if what they claim is true..then we'll just have to wait for the mounties to come to the deluded foolish investors' rescue!
mar123
Mar 10 2008, 06:42 AM
I wish people would stop posting negative things here and enjoy the payments
when they come
mary
magiciansmate
Mar 10 2008, 07:07 AM
Edit: Personal attacks are not tolerated anywhere on this forum. That sums it up!
cvkint
Mar 10 2008, 07:21 AM
QUOTE(stogylady @ Mar 10 2008, 11:45 AM) [snapback]4738503[/snapback]
Edit: Personal attacks are not tolerated anywhere on this forum.
Ahhh it's so nice to see the maturity rise to the top. I made a factual reasoned post with no personal attacks and plenty of proof of any statements made... I am not asking you or anyone else to do anything you don't want to, but for those that care about things being legal it's important they have the resources to find out.
Whether you agree with the gov't or not doesn't change the fact that members of a society must live by it's laws.. or have them changed...
mar123
Mar 10 2008, 07:22 AM
I will stay in this program as long as it is online
I appreciate what the webmaster in doing for people and the ones who got paid big
money must be here to help and not to pretend they are ignorant about this program
if this program pays me good money, I will help others too, for example those homeless people sleeping out in the snow in the streets of Montreal...
I just wish this program stays for long and not having people making accusations
mary
cvkint
Mar 10 2008, 07:28 AM
QUOTE(mar123 @ Mar 10 2008, 10:22 PM) [snapback]4739646[/snapback]
just wish this program stays for long and not having people making accusations
Mary I wish you all the best, but I am not making any accusations I am stating FACTS. you or anyone else can check them out any time you want. I admit I have no idea about that TeamArron or whatever it was post...looked like more a sales pitch than PSA but either way... an accusation is unproven.. P2P operating illegally is well documented..
Donnie
Mar 10 2008, 07:29 AM
QUOTE(cvkint @ Mar 9 2008, 10:39 AM) [snapback]4737290[/snapback]
It has nothing to do with trust, it's a legal issue. It's a very simple question if Nick is legal have him produce his BRN for Ontario? Nick can "say" he is operating legally until the cows come home, until he produces the documentation that proves it, I will continue to believe the Ontario Securities Commission, The Ministry of Consumer & Corporate affairs that say he DOES not have a license... sorry but I trust them over him. I have called Nick and I asked him for said proof of business registration, he changed the subject and started rambling on about totally unrelated issues I have a Canadian Incorporated company.. actually an Ontario Incorporation it's not Canada wide and it was very easy to do and cost less than 375 bucks and I have no reason why if he was doing everything above board as he says he would not spend the one afternoon and few hundred bucks it takes to register his company legally... it's baffling to me that's for sure..
Please remember we are NOT talking about opinions here we are talking about facts... can Nick prove his company is legally registered? If he can he has not done so to this point, saying it's so does NOT make it true.
Can I or anyone else you all call "naysayers" prove he isn't registered. yes of course.. I'll give you the phone number if you like you can check yourself...
Paying versus being operated legally are two very different things.
Please give the phone number to Ontario Securities Commission?
Thank you ahead of time. Donnie
TeamAaronShara
Mar 10 2008, 07:29 AM
Thank you for the replies to our post, we appreciate that. Please let us respond to those that have asked.
1) This post is not "staged", whatever that is supposed to mean.
2) We are not out to "tear" any program down "IF" it is real as many think it is....nothing will happen, so there is no need to worry. This post was not meant to say "The sky is falling". It is just a summary of information that we feel may be important to others.
3) This post is not really about our reputation. Sure, we have made mistakes in the past....We are human just like anyone else. Referral-mongers, this is far from the truth. We have relationships with people that we have built and we share what we think are great opportunities. For those of you that are taking this post for the intent in which it was posted, thank you... For those of you that have concerns as to why it was posted please understand that it is about sharing information (as others do) that we feel may help people when making THEIR choice on whether or not to join. Sharing information on BOTH sides is VERY important.
Hope this clarifies some points
Thanks! Aaron and Shara
Layton
Mar 10 2008, 07:38 AM
QUOTE(TeamAaronShara @ Mar 10 2008, 12:45 AM) [snapback]4738583[/snapback]
Hello,
After doing extensive research and Due Diligence on this program, because we are being sent numerous emails daily that this is the END ALL BE ALL Program we felt had to dig a "little" deeper... We have "stumbled" across some information that we thought you all may be interested in and we felt obligated to pass on to all those here at MMG.
What we have learned is the following:
- The Government has infiltrated P2P. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are about to shut him down. Up to this point, the RCMP have already closed bank accounts belonging to him. Nick keeps getting creative and opening new accounts under different names but they are on to him. It is only a matter of time.
- A gentlemen we just got off the phone with had a potential referral about to join for 25k but his referral got nervous and hired a Private Investigator (PI). Apparently the "office" is just a store front. No one is ever there. The PI ended up talking to a couple of the neighbors, and was told that Nick is basically a piece of trash. The PI watched the office for about a wee.
This is what happens when an admin/program claims their program is something different. People understand when something is a ponzi/game. They know the risk is huge going in and most promote it as a hot program. People know they should get their "investment" and some profit out ASAP. Then roll with a plan of withdrawals/ "re-invest". That being said, when a program does what this one has done people promote it as the last program one will ever need. People put retirement money, 401k's, children's college funds, vacation money and even the bill money in. The sad part is these great programs that run for so long is that they crash REALLY hard. Like the saying goes "The bigger they are the harder they fall".
The fallout here will be devastating to people. For all those who profited promoting this like it's a life changing program, please remember that you caused these people to believe in something that was "to good to be true". Comon let's get real here, 60% per month...
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Most of us have seen these types of things come and go, but on the flip side as members of MMG, we think, everyone here has a rare opportunity to be a part of something great.
MMG has announced the 2008 MMG Make Over and our Inside Information is that MMG will be the place anyone can come to and learn to MAKE/EARN money online and offline. MMG wants to lead it's members in a direction where they understand they have to work to make money online.
Oh and last but not least... Nick say "Hello" to Richard Branson for us ..
You can find out more about Richard Branson here :http://starturl.com/richardbranson (the link is safe promise) , from what we have been told he is a "friend" of Nick's and an "investor" in P2P as well. Just more hype and piggybacking off someone else's credibility and good business sense.
We hope that this post is taken with the good intent in which it was written.
Please be careful out there!
Thanks!
Aaron and Shara
You may contact us at:
Skype ID teamaaronshara
Yahoo ID teamaaronsharanew
AOL Instant Messenger TeamAaronShara
MSN ID teamaaronshara@hotmail.com ( Please do NOT email to this Hotmail Email Address, or we will not receive it).
I really wonder why you are so offensive to a program that you have decided not to partake in ? It must be a trip down memory lane and the being on the defending side of a program, in fact several that I seem to remember, you were busy answering angry members and trying to justify why they also lost.
I find ot strange that you sent me Privates wanting to know how the program was doing and I told you how it was performing for me. Then y7ou requested that I have them call you, apparently they did not, but what I cant is all the unsubstantied accusations you have put forth. Now you are saying that the proghram is infiltraded, well all I can say is that it is alluded to, no actual documented proof has been brought up. Also you say the RMCP has shut down several of the banks, Really? where is the proof that they have, sure the banks accounts have been closed, but By the RCMP. where is the proof, the only raeson we even know the accounts are closed id because Nick said so, but did not give a reason.
Also every thing you have said is just your opinion, so why should any one take your word for any thing, also what made you so mad all of a sudden? You have to this point provided nothing but your hear say and your opinions and no proof, but your say so.
So, in fact all you have brought up is all old, there is nothing new, so why bring it up again?
Layton
cvkint
Mar 10 2008, 07:39 AM
QUOTE(Donnie @ Mar 10 2008, 10:29 PM) [snapback]4739681[/snapback]
Please give the phone number to Ontario Securities Commission?
Thank you ahead of time. Donnie
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bod227
Mar 10 2008, 07:49 AM
QUOTE(TeamAaronShara @ Mar 9 2008, 10:45 PM) [snapback]4738583[/snapback]
Hello,
After doing extensive research and Due Diligence on this program, because we are being sent numerous emails daily that this is the END ALL BE ALL Program we felt had to dig a "little" deeper... We have "stumbled" across some information that we thought you all may be interested in and we felt obligated to pass on to all those here at MMG.
What we have learned is the following:
- The Government has infiltrated P2P. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are about to shut him down. Up to this point, the RCMP have already closed bank accounts belonging to him. Nick keeps getting creative and opening new accounts under different names but they are on to him. It is only a matter of time.
- A gentlemen we just got off the phone with had a potential referral about to join for 25k but his referral got nervous and hired a Private Investigator (PI). Apparently the "office" is just a store front. No one is ever there. The PI ended up talking to a couple of the neighbors, and was told that Nick is basically a piece of trash. The PI watched the office for about a week and Nick was never seen at the building.
- Also, the Basic Sentiment, Modis Operandi, Objective is Nick will receive an influx of money from people that are supposed to be purchasing Debit Cards. This is just more hype. None of the members will ever receive a debit card. Members will have to pay for them upfront (say 3500 members or whatever times $30.00) and that will give him another 100,000.00 or about that amount. Most of this info has come from current members in the program. This last bit is from someone who started with 100.00 and already has made 8,000.00 and has another 3000.00 pending right now. So it's not like it's naysayers saying this.
- Not to mention that if you watched the last video where Nick claims his program is LEGAL. That should be your first red flag. If you are going to handle the investments of other people's money. Especially across International Borders you must have a Securities License. Nick, nor anyone we can find in his company has this license. Anyone is free to call and verify this to be the case.
- In his latest interview he mentioned how the site is having problems. He goes into a detailed story about members just need to access the back office. BUT for them to confirm payouts they have to work in 3 different places. This is totally NOT TRUE. The payouts are behind because the ponzi is hitting the end. Not enough money coming in to cover payouts due.
- The staff working for P2P (Gary, Chris, Martin, Liz, Donny, Jerry, and don't forget Kent), well they are just taking a paycheck out of your "investments". So when you get mad, get mad at them too. They are on the inside so they know it's a scam.
- Naysayer talk: Notice how he repeatedly in this interview talks about the naysayers. If P2P is real why care what people are saying? Close the doors and go 100% private. Oh wait, that's right you need the new spends so you have to do damage control. In addition, notice how Nick says they paid out $167,000. Why mention that? Because a ponzi NEEDS HYPE to keep going. So that new spends flow in.
- Suspended Accounts: Why bring this up? Simple. It is because it is something they can claim takes their time away from doing payouts, working on other stuff they had planned etc..etc. This is straight from the "End Game Ponzi Handbook".
- Talk about payments catching up! More HYPE that keeps members happy and happy members promote and bring in new money. Same thing with this line from Nick "I had one individual say to me Nick, I don't care if you are a month or months behind in payouts because what I earned in 30 days, you can't earn that in an entire year...so don't worry about me...You can be MONTHS behind in your payouts because I know that you are going to pay me."
Ask yourself, why would he mention that? Simple. He is trying to get all the members to have the mindset that delays happen and problems arise. Next you will hear that all businesses have problems. We've heard all this before. All the rest are in the Closed/Scam Sections. All those people thought their program was different too.
- Then Nick mentions that people who need money for bills should allow for problems (this is right out of the Ponzi Handbook). He mentions the weather, pay processors etc..etc.. by this time alarm bells should be ringing in your head!
- Then Nick Mentions in the interview about the new pay processors that P2P will be running. He hypes up his lies for the future of the program. We have seen this all before.
- They end the call with nothing but HYPE, Life Insurance from Lloyds of London , P2P Energy Bank, Air Miles, Cash Back Rewards, Roadside Assistance etc..etc More HYPE to get more investors!
- As a group we have determined that this will be "Game Over" within the next several weeks.
Please tell all your friends/referrals to please stop promoting this program. Anyone who joins/"invests" today is going to lose money. For those who have never had this happen to them before. We know it is a terrible feeling when your hopes/dreams get crushed. Please watch how things play out here. All these program cheerleaders will quickly turn into a campaign to go after Nick. They will be out for blood.
This is what happens when an admin/program claims their program is something different. People understand when something is a ponzi/game. They know the risk is huge going in and most promote it as a hot program. People know they should get their "investment" and some profit out ASAP. Then roll with a plan of withdrawals/ "re-invest". That being said, when a program does what this one has done people promote it as the last program one will ever need. People put retirement money, 401k's, children's college funds, vacation money and even the bill money in. The sad part is these great programs that run for so long is that they crash REALLY hard. Like the saying goes "The bigger they are the harder they fall".
The fallout here will be devastating to people. For all those who profited promoting this like it's a life changing program, please remember that you caused these people to believe in something that was "to good to be true". Comon let's get real here, 60% per month...
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Most of us have seen these types of things come and go, but on the flip side as members of MMG, we think, everyone here has a rare opportunity to be a part of something great.
MMG has announced the 2008 MMG Make Over and our Inside Information is that MMG will be the place anyone can come to and learn to MAKE/EARN money online and offline. MMG wants to lead it's members in a direction where they understand they have to work to make money online.
Oh and last but not least... Nick say "Hello" to Richard Branson for us ..
You can find out more about Richard Branson here :http://starturl.com/richardbranson (the link is safe promise) , from what we have been told he is a "friend" of Nick's and an "investor" in P2P as well. Just more hype and piggybacking off someone else's credibility and good business sense.
We hope that this post is taken with the good intent in which it was written.
Please be careful out there!
Thanks!
Aaron and Shara
You may contact us at:
Skype ID teamaaronshara
Yahoo ID teamaaronsharanew
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MSN ID teamaaronshara@hotmail.com ( Please do NOT email to this Hotmail Email Address, or we will not receive it).
Aaron and Sharon,
You have the nerve to critisize someone - when you strongly recommended sooo many BOGUS programs to my friends and I. We believed you when you said that you did your DD on these programs. We followed you blindy in these programs - and as a result, we lost HUGE Sums of monies in these scams. You do not have the credibility to critisize Nick and P2P.
Nick has proven proved himself over and over again - by paying 100% of his member. Edit: Personal attacks are not tolerated anywhere on this forum.
Cyri
Layton
Mar 10 2008, 07:52 AM
QUOTE(cvkint @ Mar 10 2008, 10:39 AM) [snapback]4739715[/snapback]
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CVKENT, you know, it is ironic as to why Donnie keeps posting wanting the phone number, when it is available in all of your and others, further more, why would he even be concerned, because apparently he is not even interested, because all the info he will receive on a phone call has already been posted by you. So all I can gather is that he just wants to continually stir the pot.
mar123
Mar 10 2008, 07:56 AM
if some people think they are very smart they should open their own program
and do not spend their time and energy joining the programs of others
I am just wondering why so many people trying to contact the authorities? will you
have something to gain? some years ago there was this program called johnsonshyip
and all members were happy and some smart people wanted to find the webmaster and ask
him how he makes the profits, and they arranged interviews to meet him and all of a sudden
the program failed, because there was no support by the members but mean people
I feel sorry about Aaron and Sara, they look a nice young couple but they are Edit: Personal attacks are not tolerated anywhere on this forum. ...sorry it is my opinion
mary
cvkint
Mar 10 2008, 07:58 AM
QUOTE(Layton @ Mar 10 2008, 10:52 PM) [snapback]4739758[/snapback]
CVKENT, you know, it is ironic as to why Donnie keeps posting wanting the phone number, when it is available in all of your and others, further more, why would he even be concerned, because apparently he is not even interested, because all the info he will receive on a phone call has already been posted by you. So all I can gather is that he just wants to continually stir the pot.
I was unaware that he continually asked for the number, but all the info is there now so in the future I can simply refer to that post, but even still I'm not sure what is stirring the pot about asking for information like this. It is not negative or pointing fingers it is merely providing a public service for anybody that cares about the legality of programs their are involved in.
Much like you went into this with you eyes open others will require a different level of DD. I am sure you would agree that is their right.
Again I was no aware this was a pot stirring request, but I will try to remember that in the future.
drillbit
Mar 10 2008, 08:10 AM
Why would anybody be worried about the OSC and others being contacted? Nick says he has already passed the test of them and the SEC. Well, here is an opportunity to see if he is telling the truth and find out if it really is a legal way to make money. After all, if he has his ducks in a row there is nothing can be done but I suspect otherwise.
As well as everyone is doing perhaps the media should be contacted to do a story on pathway to prosperity. Just think of all the good things could come to people if there was a secret to making this much money. Im sure the media would love to write a story that would help people out.
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